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On 2002-07-16 14:21, Chris Loyd '82 wrote:
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William, is "Number Two" your new handle?

I certainly hope you're referring to the character on The Prisoner and not, well....

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yeah... I'm referring to him as well as the character on Austin Powers... all similarity to scatological references is purely coincidental"

here's where my cover was revealed :smile:

for a while there I also went by "Agent 24601984" (24601 from Les Miserables; 1984 from... well... 1984 :smile... but because no one saw the significance of the number and my name kept on getting confused with Alex's
I decided to change to a third identity :smile:

HTH

On 2002-07-31 15:55, Donna Sherman wrote:
I'm not annoyed or disappointed, just, well, surprised! But Susan, you certainly sound annoyed with me!

Oh no, not at all!
I sure didn't mean to sound that way. It was just an observation. There are only a few posters here who ever annoy me, and you are not one of them!



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On 2002-07-31 15:55, Donna Sherman wrote:
I will say this, though - a fellow '64 cohort friend of mine recently told me she is a Boomer, so what do I know?

Well, given that Americans have had it drummed into their heads for 35 years that the Baby Boom lasted from 1946 to 1964, lots of people born in 1961-1964 peg themselves as "Baby Boomers", even while complaining that the Boomer stereotype does not describe themn at all!

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William, is "Number Two" your new handle?

I certainly hope you're referring to the character on The Prisoner and not, well....

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yeah... I'm referring to him as well as the character on Austin Powers... all similarity to scatological references is purely coincidental"

here's where my cover was revealed :smile:

for a while there I also went by "Agent 24601984" (24601 from Les Miserables; 1984 from... well... 1984 :smile... but because no one saw the significance of the number and my name kept on getting confused with Alex's
I decided to change to a third identity :smile:

HTH

So that's where you went. How on Earth people confused your name with several numbers with my name with no numbers, I don't know.

On 2002-07-31 17:28, The Wonk wrote:

On 2002-07-31 15:55, Donna Sherman wrote:
I will say this, though - a fellow '64 cohort friend of mine recently told me she is a Boomer, so what do I know?

Well, given that Americans have had it drummed into their heads for 35 years that the Baby Boom lasted from 1946 to 1964, lots of people born in 1961-1964 peg themselves as "Baby Boomers", even while complaining that the Boomer stereotype does not describe themn at all!

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My '61 mom is a Boomer by common 46-64 definition, but she agreed with me when I made a point about how Boomers are so selfish. She sure parents like an Xer.
:sad: She also goes out with my dad to parties on Saturdays and comes home around 2. Very "roaring '20s" if you ask me. My '57 dad doesn't act much like either generation... he graduated from HS in '75 with Boomers but went into the Marine Corps and did not enter college until Sep. 1981. Right with Gen Xers. Both of my parents are judgemental. So they are definitely Jonesers with the way they act.

You see, I tend not to use the theory that if you go to college at a later date than traditionally that you may tend to become part of a younger generation. I mean, if a 45 year old went to State U. today full time into a program that may help him or her career-wise, would that 45 year old be a member of Generation "Y"? I don't think so. In fact, it probably would enhance the separation between generations...I mean, if you were 27 years old and went to the same classes as 18 year olds, you would probably feel "strange" and "out of place". Through observation you would realize that "hey, these "Y" kids are nothing like me!", thus reinforcing the idea that you are in a different gen.

That actually did happen when I was abroad. there were alot of older students in the program that I became friends with, and the younger students totally shunned me. They weren't very accepting of weirdness or being different. But when I hung out with the 26 year olds and 28 year olds being different wasn't a social liability, in fact they celebrated it and had fun with it.
I really didn't get along well with the under 21 set and pretty much didn't have the "college guy in Europe" thing going on because of that. I got along so much better with older people in general. I'm not saying I am mature or anything.
I know it seems that all I say is like me hanging on by fibers to a Gen X moniker. You should probably think why I would do that. You should also think about why I haven't given into my "Y"-ness if I've been here so long.
I certainly have a dose of Hero in me.
I do get quite lonely and feel like Im on that alienated path to nowhere. But sometimes I find the strength to just say "fuck it" and move on. Fuck being whiny.
These are also my real feelings on the subject. I really do feel I have more in common with those older than those younger.
I know a few Millennial misfits. It's hard on them. But they definitely seem completely oblivious to even having a feeling of despair or alienation.
They are much tougher than us. Why do us Nomads get all whiny and weepy? Feel so restless and Lost?
Is it because of those feel good Silent run children's programs?
I dunno.

Donna, I'm on the cusp too. And I also think being Millennial ain't half bad. Gen X really is a generation of tools. Our coolness fades each day.
But I just have a hard time looking at the 18 year olds at the deli and thinking we have anything in common generationally. They look so friggin' weird.
And they have this uniform, like hip hop-ish clothes for guys, and slutty as possible for girls. There is such a wide gender divide.
I am friends with and have more in common with the 26 year old guy behind the counter than I do the 18 year old kids next to me. It just makes sense. Why fight it?

Chet, I will say this: if the cusp phenomenon is real, then one obvious advantage is being able to identify with and understand the thinking and behavior of both generations which a cusper straddles.

I say fine, you want me to be a Boomer, I'll be a Boomer; you want to to be X, I'll be X.

There has to be other advantages, right?

On 2002-07-31 20:28, Chet wrote:
Donna, I'm on the cusp too. And I also think being Millennial ain't half bad. Gen X really is a generation of tools. Our coolness fades each day.
But I just have a hard time looking at the 18 year olds at the deli and thinking we have anything in common generationally. They look so friggin' weird.
And they have this uniform, like hip hop-ish clothes for guys, and slutty as possible for girls. There is such a wide gender divide.
I am friends with and have more in common with the 26 year old guy behind the counter than I do the 18 year old kids next to me. It just makes sense. Why fight it?

Your recent posts are really interesting. What do you think of yourself more as, Xer, Millennial, or Y? Sounds like you've finally come to the conclusion you're a really a hybrid.

So it took you two and some odd years to come to this conclusion. Sometimes it can be so hard to see in yourself what is so clear to others.

I take back what I said about you being an Xer poster boy. You're not a poster boy for anything except for yourself.

It's amazing to see how people on this board can change and grow over time.

I wish you all the best in Finland and in whatever you do.

Can anyone really say "I'm a Gen Xer" with a straight face?
Hey, I'm a Gen Xer. hahahahahahahah.
Usually it's "our generation."
I don't ever want to be put in some box like Xer, Mill, Y.
That's just so limited and really not going anywhere. What happens after you decide?

I do believe in this cycle nonsense. it helps explain alot of things. Like why my Mother is so idealistic, even at 55.
I watched a program on U2. Bono, he is a prophet. I know it's silly, but that idealism---I just don't have it.
Its not to say Im some cynical dick, but to think "yeah we're going to fight the power, we can do a better job, we're going to win and we're right"
That's some testy stuff. It takes a special kind of gall that I don't have built in me to do that kind of stuff.

I guess you could say I'm a hybrid. but obviously I'm coming down on the Xer side because of the way I am looking at things.
I'm just too damn old to be a Millennial you know?

As far as the gender-divisions: at my Millennial-filled HS:

Girls carry their books across their chest, guys carry them down by their side, with their arm pretty much straight down. Girls' shorts are very short, Guys' shorts go at least to the knee. Girls' jeans are tight, Guys' are loose. Girls' shirts are tight and short, Guys' shirts are loose and go past the waist. Guys wear their pants maybe slightly below the waistline on their boxers (to make the shorts seem longer because it can be hard to find shorts/pants that are long enough), girls wear their pants/shorts at waist level. Girls have medium to long hair, guys have short to short-medium hair. Girls' hair tends to go to the back or the side on top of the forehead, guys' hair pretty much always goes forward on the forehead. At lunch, the girls sit with girls, the guys sit with guys. Guys pretty much all act alike, or at least in a way NOT like the girls, and the girls act alike, too.

One thing different at my school as compared to the normal "girls are smarter" thing:
In my class, 10 people were on the A honor roll all year. 7 of them (myself included) were guys, 3 were girls. So there. :razz:

More fun: how about doing generations (and cusps) purely by birthrates? here we get

pre-1940: silent (lowered rates)
1940 - 1945: silent/boom cusp (rates go up, then down; stagnating)
1946 - 1957: baby BOOM (nuff said :smile
1958 - 1964: stagnation (the beginning of Anthony's bust - rates fall but births stay above 4 million)
1965 - 197x: Generation X/baby bust (you can take the x as either a 5, 6, or
1977 (or 1976, or 1979) - 1984 (or 1986): stagnation at the X/Mill cusp
1985 (or 1987) or later: Millies

What's surprising is just how well this lines up with the archetypal generational boundaries (although Justin '79 and Mark Y might disagree here...)

I'd say 1976 is the first year of the crossover from X to Mill. It's not that they're Millennial, but they are forward thinking I feel. Just a bit different from the big hair 80s high school classes.
I feel that 1980 is the point of crossover, because it is just such a vague year with some people being normal conformist losers (many of my peers) and others being nasty cynical assholes (all of my friends and a good chunk of my peers). I feel that the cultural exposure has created an army of traditionally "gen x" (although most of us don't look like the kids in their teens, we are too old for all that MTV bullshit) conformists with widening gender gaps and increasingly traditional dating customs.
This would be the other half of that crossover gen of 1980-1984. they look the part but they just can't help having no imagination.

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On 2002-08-03 09:17, Chet wrote:
I'd say 1976 is the first year of the crossover from X to Mill. It's not that they're Millennial, but they are forward thinking I feel. Just a bit different from the big hair 80s high school classes.
I feel that 1980 is the point of crossover, because it is just such a vague year with some people being normal conformist losers (many of my peers) and others being nasty cynical assholes (all of my friends and a good chunk of my peers). I feel that the cultural exposure has created an army of traditionally "gen x" (although most of us don't look like the kids in their teens, we are too old for all that MTV bullshit) conformists with widening gender gaps and increasingly traditional dating customs.
This would be the other half of that crossover gen of 1980-1984. they look the part but they just can't help having no imagination.

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Justin,you've sure changed your tune. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were calling yourself a Millennial.

I also notice the tone of your posts has changed. They're a lot less cynical than they used to be.
How many people here still think of Justin as a Gen-X poster boy? I used to but don't anymore. Not a Mill exactly, but definitely a hybrid.

If the 4T really has started (I don't think it's a call yet), then 1979 (or even earlier!) cohorts may well become (or already are) Millennials, having to serve a Hero role rather than a Nomad one. As people in their early 20s are still malleable, a Nomadic mindset could easily change to a Hero one. Lots of very early GIs really lived it up in their youth. There were lots of GI flappers in the 20s. My paternal grandmother (now deceased) is a good example of this. Born in 1900, there are pictures of her back in the 20s smoking cigarettes and drinking and wearing flapper dresses. She was really a free spirit--and also very beautiful.

I don't think that late-50s Boomers will morph into Xers however, simply because people in their 40s have lived longer and are less malleable than people in their early 20s. Their personalities are already established, even if they wind up playing Nomadic roles in the 4T.

By the way, I thought you were leaving.

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On 2002-08-03 09:40, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-08-03 09:17, Chet wrote:
I'd say 1976 is the first year of the crossover from X to Mill. It's not that they're Millennial, but they are forward thinking I feel. Just a bit different from the big hair 80s high school classes.
I feel that 1980 is the point of crossover, because it is just such a vague year with some people being normal conformist losers (many of my peers) and others being nasty cynical assholes (all of my friends and a good chunk of my peers). I feel that the cultural exposure has created an army of traditionally "gen x" (although most of us don't look like the kids in their teens, we are too old for all that MTV bullshit) conformists with widening gender gaps and increasingly traditional dating customs.
This would be the other half of that crossover gen of 1980-1984. they look the part but they just can't help having no imagination.

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Justin,you've sure changed your tune. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were calling yourself a Millennial.

I also notice the tone of your posts has changed. They're a lot less cynical than they used to be.
How many people here still think of Justin as a Gen-X poster boy? I used to but don't anymore. Not a Mill exactly, but definitely a hybrid.

If the 4T really has started (I don't think it's a call yet), then 1979 (or even earlier!) cohorts may well become (or already are) Millennials, having to serve a Hero role rather than a Nomad one. As people in their early 20s are still malleable, a Nomadic mindset could easily change to a Hero one. Lots of very early GIs really lived it up in their youth. There were lots of GI flappers in the 20s. My paternal grandmother (now deceased) is a good example of this. Born in 1900, there are pictures of her back in the 20s smoking cigarettes and drinking and wearing flapper dresses. She was really a free spirit--and also very beautiful.

I don't think that late-50s Boomers will morph into Xers however, simply because people in their 40s have lived longer and are less malleable than people in their early 20s. Their personalities are already established, even if they wind up playing Nomadic roles in the 4T.

By the way, I thought you were leaving.

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Your grandma wasn't an early GI acting as a Lost, because 1900 is the last Lost birthyear, while 1901 ended up being the first G.I. birthyear. I'll still bet a bunch of people born in 1901 did what your grandma did. A bunch of people who graduated in 2000 are all wild and whatnot too, but I think they are Millies.

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On 2002-08-03 09:40, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-08-03 09:17, Chet wrote:
I'd say 1976 is the first year of the crossover from X to Mill. It's not that they're Millennial, but they are forward thinking I feel. Just a bit different from the big hair 80s high school classes.
I feel that 1980 is the point of crossover, because it is just such a vague year with some people being normal conformist losers (many of my peers) and others being nasty cynical assholes (all of my friends and a good chunk of my peers). I feel that the cultural exposure has created an army of traditionally "gen x" (although most of us don't look like the kids in their teens, we are too old for all that MTV bullshit) conformists with widening gender gaps and increasingly traditional dating customs.
This would be the other half of that crossover gen of 1980-1984. they look the part but they just can't help having no imagination.

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Justin,you've sure changed your tune. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were calling yourself a Millennial.

I also notice the tone of your posts has changed. They're a lot less cynical than they used to be.
How many people here still think of Justin as a Gen-X poster boy? I used to but don't anymore. Not a Mill exactly, but definitely a hybrid.

If the 4T really has started (I don't think it's a call yet), then 1979 (or even earlier!) cohorts may well become (or already are) Millennials, having to serve a Hero role rather than a Nomad one. As people in their early 20s are still malleable, a Nomadic mindset could easily change to a Hero one. Lots of very early GIs really lived it up in their youth. There were lots of GI flappers in the 20s. My paternal grandmother (now deceased) is a good example of this. Born in 1900, there are pictures of her back in the 20s smoking cigarettes and drinking and wearing flapper dresses. She was really a free spirit--and also very beautiful.

I don't think that late-50s Boomers will morph into Xers however, simply because people in their 40s have lived longer and are less malleable than people in their early 20s. Their personalities are already established, even if they wind up playing Nomadic roles in the 4T.

By the way, I thought you were leaving.

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A) What are you talking about "changing my tune?"
I spelled it out for you. If you want to talk about transition zones then you got one of about 1976 to about 1984 with 1980 being the crossover point. This has always been my take on the end of my "generation" or whatever you call it.

B) Your assertion that a crisis has begun and thus 1979 and not 1978 or 1977 will be the start of the new "Hero" generation is self serving and mathematical. Why this date, where do you get it from?
We can't even tell if we're in a crisis or not, which makes me think we aren't in one.


C) How do you "become" Millennial if you were born into an Awakening. Last time I checked once Millennial, always Millennial.

D) You are old. What do you know about people born in 1980 other than the pop glimpses you catch while watching MTV or some dumb movies your kids watch?

E) What the hell is poster boy? Where do you come up with this inane stereotypical wannabe social science? We are talking about people, I highly recommend you abandon TFT because its obvious the math has fried your brain.

F) Fuck off

G) Goodbye.

Life can get so boring can't it?
It's got you staring at a box, be it TV or computer longer than you should.
Sitting on your ass growing fat and American.
I really wish you all the best, but I think that this website is a "website"
and that is all.
After such a long e-affair with TFT I have to say goodbye and this is the time to do so.
This was a good place to do mental gymnastics.
But it is wholly corrosive to the act of "doing"
See that is the end of Gen X. "Doing things."
I am not quite there yet. I am an undercooked Millennial meal, which makes me a Nomad. But I can see it coming.
I am alienated by Boomers and millennials. Going to see films is like an orgy of Boomer drama and millennial teen culture conformism.
I am not angry, but is disturbing to know that the myths I was told of revolutions, civil wars, world wars, were constructed in the same kind of dynamic, with the elders creating the myth, and the youth believing it.
We've got to wander. And wandering is not occuring in front of the computer. Computers are for tuning out.
Now Heliotrope will take everything I just said and say "well a real Xer would say this.."

Who thinks like that? Once my friend told me, "thats not something you would say."
My response was "well, I just said it."
So eat me.
Eat me raw.
TTYLTTFN

On 2002-07-21 16:12, Number Two wrote:

On 2002-07-21 13:47, Mark Y wrote:

In MN people have to be age 5 by the time they enter kindergarten, so they turn 18 during their senior year. When I moved to WI, it is set up so you have to be 5 by July 15th before you enter kindergarten, so I thought situations were similar nationwide. For example, my class of 2005 was born between 7/16/1986 and 7/15/1987, with some exceptions, such as those who were held back.

Oh, OK...so I guess it's more common than I thought.

I already posted (in detail) the de facto and de jure policies in Howard County (i'm too lazy to repeat it here) - anyway WI has a 7/15 cutoff? That's gotta be just a few districts and not the whole state...

My WI district had a Sept. 1st cutoff date.

On 2002-08-02 23:50, Number Two wrote:
More fun: how about doing generations (and cusps) purely by birthrates? here we get

pre-1940: silent (lowered rates)
1940 - 1945: silent/boom cusp (rates go up, then down; stagnating)
1946 - 1957: baby BOOM (nuff said :smile
1958 - 1964: stagnation (the beginning of Anthony's bust - rates fall but births stay above 4 million)
1965 - 197x: Generation X/baby bust (you can take the x as either a 5, 6, or
1977 (or 1976, or 1979) - 1984 (or 1986): stagnation at the X/Mill cusp
1985 (or 1987) or later: Millies

What's surprising is just how well this lines up with the archetypal generational boundaries (although Justin '79 and Mark Y might disagree here...)

I'm in fairly good agrement with your dates...in fact, for the most part, they are virtually on the money.

Pre-1940 Silent
1940-45 Boom Leaders
1946-56 Generation "W"
1957-63 Generation Jones
1964-74 Generation "X"
1975-81 Net Gen
1982-?? Generation "Y"

On 2002-08-03 09:40, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-08-03 09:17, Chet wrote:
I'd say 1976 is the first year of the crossover from X to Mill. It's not that they're Millennial, but they are forward thinking I feel. Just a bit different from the big hair 80s high school classes.
I feel that 1980 is the point of crossover, because it is just such a vague year with some people being normal conformist losers (many of my peers) and others being nasty cynical assholes (all of my friends and a good chunk of my peers). I feel that the cultural exposure has created an army of traditionally "gen x" (although most of us don't look like the kids in their teens, we are too old for all that MTV bullshit) conformists with widening gender gaps and increasingly traditional dating customs.
This would be the other half of that crossover gen of 1980-1984. they look the part but they just can't help having no imagination.

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Justin,you've sure changed your tune. If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were calling yourself a Millennial.

I also notice the tone of your posts has changed. They're a lot less cynical than they used to be.
How many people here still think of Justin as a Gen-X poster boy? I used to but don't anymore. Not a Mill exactly, but definitely a hybrid.

If the 4T really has started (I don't think it's a call yet), then 1979 (or even earlier!) cohorts may well become (or already are) Millennials, having to serve a Hero role rather than a Nomad one. As people in their early 20s are still malleable, a Nomadic mindset could easily change to a Hero one. Lots of very early GIs really lived it up in their youth. There were lots of GI flappers in the 20s. My paternal grandmother (now deceased) is a good example of this. Born in 1900, there are pictures of her back in the 20s smoking cigarettes and drinking and wearing flapper dresses. She was really a free spirit--and also very beautiful.

I don't think that late-50s Boomers will morph into Xers however, simply because people in their 40s have lived longer and are less malleable than people in their early 20s. Their personalities are already established, even if they wind up playing Nomadic roles in the 4T.

By the way, I thought you were leaving.

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I told you Justin was a "Y"-boy all along :wink:

If the 4T really has started (I don't think it's a call yet), then 1979 (or even earlier!) cohorts may well become (or already are) Millennials, having to serve a Hero role rather than a Nomad one.

I agree with that statement. In fact, I have had major questions with the start of the 3T, which I at one time felt started in 1980 with the election of Reagan...thus pushing Gen "Y"/Millies to 1978. I feel now that the 3T started in earnest a few years later, but I think that there was a period of transition with 1980 being a year where the rate of change from 2T to 3T was at its greatest. It may be the same with 2001, with it having the greatest rate of change from 3T to 4T (although I seriously question the notion that we are completely in a 4T). Therefore, I theorize that 1977/78 is not so much a fine boundary between "X" and "Y", but that the tendencies towards "Y" increase the most between those two years.

If the 4T really has started (I don't think it's a call yet), then 1979 (or even earlier!) cohorts may well become (or already are) Millennials, having to serve a Hero role rather than a Nomad one.

I agree with that statement. In fact, I have had major questions with the start of the 3T, which I at one time felt started in 1980 with the election of Reagan...thus pushing Gen "Y"/Millies to 1978. I feel now that the 3T started in earnest a few years later, but I think that there was a period of transition with 1980 being a year where the rate of change from 2T to 3T was at its greatest. It may be the same with 2001, with it having the greatest rate of change from 3T to 4T (although I seriously question the notion that we are completely in a 4T). Therefore, I theorize that 1977/78 is not so much a fine boundary between "X" and "Y", but that the tendencies towards "Y" increase the most between those two years.

On 2002-08-03 10:53, Chet ranted:


A) What are you talking about "changing my tune?"
I spelled it out for you. If you want to talk about transition zones then you got one of about 1976 to about 1984 with 1980 being the crossover point. This has always been my take on the end of my "generation" or whatever you call it.

I'm not an idiot. I really do understand what you're talking about. I never once said I disagree with the concept of transition zones. I'm a huge believer in them. You obviously do not read my posts carefully.

B) Your assertion that a crisis has begun and thus 1979 and not 1978 or 1977 will be the start of the new "Hero" generation is self serving and mathematical. Why this date, where do you get it from?
We can't even tell if we're in a crisis or not, which makes me think we aren't in one.

Read my frigging post, dammit! I never SAID WE WERE IN A 4T!!! I said IF we were already in a 4T. It's a little concept called speculation. Ever hear of it?

C) How do you "become" Millennial if you were born into an Awakening. Last time I checked once Millennial, always Millennial.

The purpose of a board like this is so EVERYONE CAN EXPRESS THEIR OWN VIEWS and OPEN UP DISCUSSIONS! If everyone felt the same about everything things would get pretty fucking boring. I am sorry if you disagree with me. Deal with it.

D) You are old. What do you know about people born in 1980 other than the pop glimpses you catch while watching MTV or some dumb movies your kids watch?

Whatever.

E) What the hell is poster boy? Where do you come up with this inane stereotypical wannabe social science?

Oh, are you some kind of expert now? I wasn't the one here who first called you a poster boy. No one is a poster fucking anything. But face it, you did get that reputation for a while at least. It's not like I called you retard or anything (though maybe I should) :wink:

We are talking about people, I highly recommend you abandon TFT because its obvious the math has fried your brain.

And your brain must be really deep-fried because YOU DON'T READ WHAT I SAY! I NEVER said I agree with stereotypes and in fact have always talked about how people are individuals first.

Oh, and if anyone is going to abandon this website it's going to have to be you because guess what?
I AIN'T LEAVING. So there. Deal with it.

F) Fuck off

I really don't understand your anger or why you are attacking me. It doesn't make any sense. So go take a Prozac or smoke some pot or j**k off or something. I never did anything to you, and if I said anything offensive or innaccurate, it was unintentional and I'm sorry.

I am allowed to voice my opinions here--right or wrong--as much as you or anyone nyone else is. Again, that's what this board is for. So too frigging bad if you don't like it. I never said I'm always right. Regardless, the things you said to me are nasty and hateful.

Why do I even bother?

To the rest of you reasonable people, I apologize for shouting.


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On 2002-08-03 11:02, Chet wrote:

I really wish you all the best, but I think that this website is a "website"
and that is all.
After such a long e-affair with TFT I have to say goodbye and this is the time to do so.

Justin/Chet:

How many times have I heard that in the last nine months?

Yawn.

Make up your collective mind already, dude. Sh*t or get off the pot.

If you want to discuss stuff here with us, great. Don't expect people to always agree with you, though. I get ticked off at certain people here all the time. But I'm not going anywhere.

And if you want to leave, so be it. I will miss your posts. I think you have interesting things to add to the conversation.

To be frank, though, your sarcastic hissy fits are annoying.

Whatever.