Originally Posted by Mark Y

Thank goodness for Howe and Strauss...the only ones who don't dump me in the Britney Spears and Barney the Dinosaur Generation

But they're not the only ones! For proof, click onto the link below:

http://www.babybusters.org/othergen.htm

Originally Posted by Anthony '58

Originally Posted by Mark Y

Thank goodness for Howe and Strauss...the only ones who don't dump me in the Britney Spears and Barney the Dinosaur Generation

But they're not the only ones! For proof, click onto the link below:

http://www.babybusters.org/othergen.htm

I really have to change my signature...I think it's getting old.

Just for fun, I checked out the archive of the Harvard Crimson, which at least as far as I know, has the largest free archive on the internet of any paper out there...I was curious to find out when the term "Baby Boom" first appeared...this is what I found:

The first ever reference to the Boom in any context was from an article written on January 15, 1959, when it was considered as the "War-Baby Boom" http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=131032

There was no reference to the Boom for the next five years. In an article dated January 9, 1964, it was simply called the "baby boom"...as colleges were beginning to start getting significant numbers of new applicants due to the coming-of-age of the Boom. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=246233

The next reference, dated February 4, 1964, clearly indicates the Boom making its mark, as applicants soar from the previous year. Also in that article, tuition increases were noted. I think that one will be shocked (or get sick if they are paying tuitions now). http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=124189

The next article, from January 18, 1966, interestingly indicates that the Boom ended in 1948. Obviously, the common definitions we have all grown to love and debate were probably not in place by then: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=134163

Never has the 1946-1964 definition been used in the Harvard Crimson.

Unfortunately, since "X" is probably discounted by the Crimson's search engine, it is very difficult to search for Generation "X" (or "Y" for that matter). Since "generation" is a very common word, it would be tough to sort everything out. I tried "Gen-'X'", since usually the only other time that "Gen" would be utilized would be to refer to a general. After sifting through some Gen. Colin Powell references (guest speaker at the '93 commencement) and a couple of Gen Ed 105 references as well, the first reference to Gen-"X" I found was on April 7, 1994...curiously, exactly one day before Kurt Cobain killed himself. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=241196

No "Millennial" references in the Crimson.

Originally Posted by Mark Y

Just for fun, I checked out the archive of the Harvard Crimson, which at least as far as I know, has the largest free archive on the internet of any paper out there...I was curious to find out when the term "Baby Boom" first appeared...this is what I found:

The first ever reference to the Boom in any context was from an article written on January 15, 1959, when it was considered as the "War-Baby Boom" http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=131032

There was no reference to the Boom for the next five years. In an article dated January 9, 1964, it was simply called the "baby boom"...as colleges were beginning to start getting significant numbers of new applicants due to the coming-of-age of the Boom. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=246233

The next reference, dated February 4, 1964, clearly indicates the Boom making its mark, as applicants soar from the previous year. Also in that article, tuition increases were noted. I think that one will be shocked (or get sick if they are paying tuitions now). http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=124189

The next article, from January 18, 1966, interestingly indicates that the Boom ended in 1948. Obviously, the common definitions we have all grown to love and debate were probably not in place by then: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=134163

Never has the 1946-1964 definition been used in the Harvard Crimson.

Unfortunately, since "X" is probably discounted by the Crimson's search engine, it is very difficult to search for Generation "X" (or "Y" for that matter). Since "generation" is a very common word, it would be tough to sort everything out. I tried "Gen-'X'", since usually the only other time that "Gen" would be utilized would be to refer to a general. After sifting through some Gen. Colin Powell references (guest speaker at the '93 commencement) and a couple of Gen Ed 105 references as well, the first reference to Gen-"X" I found was on April 7, 1994...curiously, exactly one day before Kurt Cobain killed himself. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=241196

No "Millennial" references in the Crimson.

Have you tried putting "generation x" or "generation y" in quotation marks so that the search would merely be for the exact phrase?

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Mark Y

Just for fun, I checked out the archive of the Harvard Crimson, which at least as far as I know, has the largest free archive on the internet of any paper out there...I was curious to find out when the term "Baby Boom" first appeared...this is what I found:

The first ever reference to the Boom in any context was from an article written on January 15, 1959, when it was considered as the "War-Baby Boom" http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=131032

There was no reference to the Boom for the next five years. In an article dated January 9, 1964, it was simply called the "baby boom"...as colleges were beginning to start getting significant numbers of new applicants due to the coming-of-age of the Boom. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=246233

The next reference, dated February 4, 1964, clearly indicates the Boom making its mark, as applicants soar from the previous year. Also in that article, tuition increases were noted. I think that one will be shocked (or get sick if they are paying tuitions now). http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=124189

The next article, from January 18, 1966, interestingly indicates that the Boom ended in 1948. Obviously, the common definitions we have all grown to love and debate were probably not in place by then: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=134163

Never has the 1946-1964 definition been used in the Harvard Crimson.

Unfortunately, since "X" is probably discounted by the Crimson's search engine, it is very difficult to search for Generation "X" (or "Y" for that matter). Since "generation" is a very common word, it would be tough to sort everything out. I tried "Gen-'X'", since usually the only other time that "Gen" would be utilized would be to refer to a general. After sifting through some Gen. Colin Powell references (guest speaker at the '93 commencement) and a couple of Gen Ed 105 references as well, the first reference to Gen-"X" I found was on April 7, 1994...curiously, exactly one day before Kurt Cobain killed himself. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=241196

No "Millennial" references in the Crimson.

Have you tried putting "generation x" or "generation y" in quotation marks so that the search would merely be for the exact phrase?

Yeah, I tried doing that, but all I got were all hits with the word "generation". "X" is probably like "the", "a", etc....words that are not included in a websearch.

The first reference to the Silent Generation was May 4, 1954. It was about people going to give commencement speeches at Harvard. One graduating senior's speech was titled, "Education and the Silent Generation".

Originally Posted by AlexMnWi

The first reference to the Silent Generation was May 4, 1954. It was about people going to give commencement speeches at Harvard. One graduating senior's speech was titled, "Education and the Silent Generation".

Oh wow...I missed that one. You know, I always thought that "Silent Generation" was simply an S & H term that has been used by some demographers...I guess not.

The last reference to the Silent Generation was September 24, 1993: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=233983

Alex's reference is here...http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=186028

The class of '54 would be '32 cohorts...pretty much smack dab in the Silent Gen.

The "GI" Gen is not in the archives...but the "Greatest Generation" is...but only in a few references from 2000 and 2001.

No "Lost" Generation references...which may surprise me a bit...the archives do go back into the 20's, and I believe that the name "Lost Generation" was used back then.

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Mark Y

Just for fun, I checked out the archive of the Harvard Crimson, which at least as far as I know, has the largest free archive on the internet of any paper out there...I was curious to find out when the term "Baby Boom" first appeared...this is what I found:

The first ever reference to the Boom in any context was from an article written on January 15, 1959, when it was considered as the "War-Baby Boom" http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=131032

There was no reference to the Boom for the next five years. In an article dated January 9, 1964, it was simply called the "baby boom"...as colleges were beginning to start getting significant numbers of new applicants due to the coming-of-age of the Boom. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=246233

The next reference, dated February 4, 1964, clearly indicates the Boom making its mark, as applicants soar from the previous year. Also in that article, tuition increases were noted. I think that one will be shocked (or get sick if they are paying tuitions now). http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=124189

The next article, from January 18, 1966, interestingly indicates that the Boom ended in 1948. Obviously, the common definitions we have all grown to love and debate were probably not in place by then: http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=134163

Never has the 1946-1964 definition been used in the Harvard Crimson.

Unfortunately, since "X" is probably discounted by the Crimson's search engine, it is very difficult to search for Generation "X" (or "Y" for that matter). Since "generation" is a very common word, it would be tough to sort everything out. I tried "Gen-'X'", since usually the only other time that "Gen" would be utilized would be to refer to a general. After sifting through some Gen. Colin Powell references (guest speaker at the '93 commencement) and a couple of Gen Ed 105 references as well, the first reference to Gen-"X" I found was on April 7, 1994...curiously, exactly one day before Kurt Cobain killed himself. http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=241196

No "Millennial" references in the Crimson.

Have you tried putting "generation x" or "generation y" in quotation marks so that the search would merely be for the exact phrase?

This is interesting.
When I did a search on Google for Generation X, I came up with scads and scads of info.
The first time I ever heard about a "Silent" generation was in about 1980. I believe Landon Y. Jones refers to the generation just prior to the Baby Boomers as Silents, in his book Great Expectations: America and the Baby Boom Generation. Jones uses the 1946-1964 delineation, however.
In any case, S&H were definitely not the first to come up with the term.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

I read the article, and it sounds to me like this guy (who seems to be a first wave Xer) is saying Xers are really idealistic Boomer-like clones, and the cynical nihilists he talks about are all those of the age S&H would call Millennial. Weird.

My feeling is Beavis and Butthead appealed mostly to Nintendo-wave Xer males, who were still in their adolescence at the time this article was written in 1993, and not really to Millennials at all, except maybe first wave males who, like all preadolescent males, tend to emulate males just a few years older than themselves.

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

I read the article, and it sounds to me like this guy (who seems to be a first wave Xer) is saying Xers are really idealistic Boomer-like clones, and the cynical nihilists he talks about are all those of the age S&H would call Millennial. Weird.

My feeling is Beavis and Butthead appealed mostly to Nintendo-wave Xer males, who were still in their adolescence at the time this article was written in 1993, and not really to Millennials at all, except maybe first wave males who, like all preadolescent males, tend to emulate males just a few years older than themselves.

It seems (IMHO) like the article is referring to the old definition of generation "Y" (a wave running from those born in 1977 - 16 in 1993 - to 1985 - 8 in 1993) or the "Beavis and Butthead Generation"... a good cusper generation (with Xr cynicism/nihilism) but not really an S&H generation at all

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

I read the article, and it sounds to me like this guy (who seems to be a first wave Xer) is saying Xers are really idealistic Boomer-like clones, and the cynical nihilists he talks about are all those of the age S&H would call Millennial. Weird.

My feeling is Beavis and Butthead appealed mostly to Nintendo-wave Xer males, who were still in their adolescence at the time this article was written in 1993, and not really to Millennials at all, except maybe first wave males who, like all preadolescent males, tend to emulate males just a few years older than themselves.

It seems (IMHO) like the article is referring to the old definition of generation "Y" (a wave running from those born in 1977 - 16 in 1993 - to 1985 - 8 in 1993) or the "Beavis and Butthead Generation"... a good cusper generation (with Xr cynicism/nihilism) but not really an S&H generation at all

I read the article...sounds about right. People my age were really into Beavis & Butthead until perhaps 1994 (age 16), when it started to get old. My brother (born in 1986) was also big into that show...

Note that Beavis and Butthead were fifteen (?) in the show. Since the show went on from 1992 to 1997 (I think), then B & B would represent '77 to '82 cohorts...fairly close to an "X"/"Millie" subgen

I must admit...Cornholio was a classic...

Originally Posted by Mark Y

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

I read the article, and it sounds to me like this guy (who seems to be a first wave Xer) is saying Xers are really idealistic Boomer-like clones, and the cynical nihilists he talks about are all those of the age S&H would call Millennial. Weird.

My feeling is Beavis and Butthead appealed mostly to Nintendo-wave Xer males, who were still in their adolescence at the time this article was written in 1993, and not really to Millennials at all, except maybe first wave males who, like all preadolescent males, tend to emulate males just a few years older than themselves.

It seems (IMHO) like the article is referring to the old definition of generation "Y" (a wave running from those born in 1977 - 16 in 1993 - to 1985 - 8 in 1993) or the "Beavis and Butthead Generation"... a good cusper generation (with Xr cynicism/nihilism) but not really an S&H generation at all

I read the article...sounds about right. People my age were really into Beavis & Butthead until perhaps 1994 (age 16), when it started to get old. My brother (born in 1986) was also big into that show...

Note that Beavis and Butthead were fifteen (?) in the show. Since the show went on from 1992 to 1997 (I think), then B & B would represent '77 to '82 cohorts...fairly close to an "X"/"Millie" subgen

I must admit...Cornholio was a classic...

Beavis and Butthead were 14 in that show (Butthead saying that "Beavis can't wait for his 15th birthday" when referring to the ratio of orgasms per day to years of age) - Beavis's birthday was actually revealed towards the end when he saw god in a vision as December 30, 1981

but being frosh from the 92-93 school year to the 97-98 school year (thanksgiving 97) would place them somewhere in the classes of 96 thru 01 (not counting the episode where they got demoted :-))

and you said your bro is VERY atypical for his year - I can see 86ers with older siblings (like your or my younger brother) acting like 85ers (i.e. still cuspers) in certain aspects...

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

I read the article, and it sounds to me like this guy (who seems to be a first wave Xer) is saying Xers are really idealistic Boomer-like clones, and the cynical nihilists he talks about are all those of the age S&H would call Millennial. Weird.

My feeling is Beavis and Butthead appealed mostly to Nintendo-wave Xer males, who were still in their adolescence at the time this article was written in 1993, and not really to Millennials at all, except maybe first wave males who, like all preadolescent males, tend to emulate males just a few years older than themselves.

It seems (IMHO) like the article is referring to the old definition of generation "Y" (a wave running from those born in 1977 - 16 in 1993 - to 1985 - 8 in 1993) or the "Beavis and Butthead Generation"... a good cusper generation (with Xr cynicism/nihilism) but not really an S&H generation at all

Strauss and Howe referred to the old definition of Generation Y as Generation X-squared. Some people still hold mistakenly onto the belief that Generation Y is even "badder" than Gen-X, and try to back up their claims by pointing to freakish Millennials like Avril Lavigne or Kelly Osbourne (who are X-cuspers, anyway).

Oh, and William, I enjoyed Beavis as Cornholio too. I was loath to admit it, but I actually liked the show.

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

"My younger brother Peter, 16, is an elder statesman of the Beavis Generation. He does a reasonably good impression of the Beavis and Butthead snicker, and uses various Beavis and Butthead comments."

Uh, folks, this was a great article! Do the math. The "WOT" is the "Beavis Generation" war, at this point in time.

Chuckle, chuckle, ha,ha and "Hehehehehehe," all ya want (just like Stonewall Patton does), but ain't it the truth? Justin '77's peers are the "grunts" in this thing.

Thanks, William, for that great article. Very enlightening.

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

"My younger brother Peter, 16, is an elder statesman of the Beavis Generation. He does a reasonably good impression of the Beavis and Butthead snicker, and uses various Beavis and Butthead comments."

Uh, folks, this was a great article! Do the math. The "WOT" is the "Beavis Generation" war, at this point in time.

Chuckle, chuckle, ha,ha and "Hehehehehehe," all ya want (just like Stonewall Patton does), but ain't it the truth? Justin '77's peers are the "grunts" in this thing.

Hm. I only have a handfull of military peers with whom I interact. One has finished his stint and moved on, a few are nearing the ends of their enlistments (only one intends to renew), and one unlucky bastard has been enslaved by the "stop-loss" clause. He was not encouraged to read the details of his enlistment contract (nor were any of them, I suppose) beforehand; hopefully he will be allowed to step down sometime before the end of his life. No guarantees, though. All you youngsters out there, take that as a warning!

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

"My younger brother Peter, 16, is an elder statesman of the Beavis Generation. He does a reasonably good impression of the Beavis and Butthead snicker, and uses various Beavis and Butthead comments."

Uh, folks, this was a great article! Do the math. The "WOT" is the "Beavis Generation" war, at this point in time.

Chuckle, chuckle, ha,ha and "Hehehehehehe," all ya want (just like Stonewall Patton does), but ain't it the truth? Justin '77's peers are the "grunts" in this thing.

Hm. I only have a handfull of military peers with whom I interact. One has finished his stint and moved on, a few are nearing the ends of their enlistments (only one intends to renew), and one unlucky bastard has been enslaved by the "stop-loss" clause. He was not encouraged to read the details of his enlistment contract (nor were any of them, I suppose) beforehand; hopefully he will be allowed to step down sometime before the end of his life. No guarantees, though. All you youngsters out there, take that as a warning!

Yes, and keep in mind, you, Justin, represent the "elder statesman of the Beavis Generation."

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Yes, and keep in mind, you, Justin, represent the "elder statesman of the Beavis Generation."

Hng hng. You said "elder".

The Beavis and Butthead generation goes to war.

From today's Washington Post, a father's anquish:

It had been hard enough sending my two older children off to Georgetown and New York University. John's enlisting was unexpected, so deeply unsettling. I did not relish the prospect of answering the question "So where is John going to college?" from the parents who were itching to tell me all about how their son or daughter was going to Harvard. At the private high school John attended, no other students were going into the military.

"But aren't the Marines terribly Southern?" asked one perplexed mother while standing next to me at the brunch following graduation. "What a waste, he was such a good student," said another parent.

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Oh, and William, I enjoyed Beavis as Cornholio too. I was loath to admit it, but I actually liked the show.

Hehheh, hehheh, me too.... :-D

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

"My younger brother Peter, 16, is an elder statesman of the Beavis Generation. He does a reasonably good impression of the Beavis and Butthead snicker, and uses various Beavis and Butthead comments."

Uh, folks, this was a great article! Do the math. The "WOT" is the "Beavis Generation" war, at this point in time.

Chuckle, chuckle, ha,ha and "Hehehehehehe," all ya want (just like Stonewall Patton does), but ain't it the truth? Justin '77's peers are the "grunts" in this thing.

Hm. I only have a handfull of military peers with whom I interact. One has finished his stint and moved on, a few are nearing the ends of their enlistments (only one intends to renew), and one unlucky bastard has been enslaved by the "stop-loss" clause. He was not encouraged to read the details of his enlistment contract (nor were any of them, I suppose) beforehand; hopefully he will be allowed to step down sometime before the end of his life. No guarantees, though. All you youngsters out there, take that as a warning!

Yes, and keep in mind, you, Justin, represent the "elder statesman of the Beavis Generation."

I wholeheartedly agree...if you were 15 during the angst filled summer of '92, when the whole thing started, you were without a doubt part of the "Beavis Generation". I can't say why, but I get a feeling that people who were 18 (or even 17) at the time were a teeny bit too old to be part of this "gen". Yes, college students in the early 90s did watch this show, but the "cult following" that this got at least for the first season or so probably wasn't there in that age group. But you can prove me wrong (again).

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

"My younger brother Peter, 16, is an elder statesman of the Beavis Generation. He does a reasonably good impression of the Beavis and Butthead snicker, and uses various Beavis and Butthead comments."

Uh, folks, this was a great article! Do the math. The "WOT" is the "Beavis Generation" war, at this point in time.

Chuckle, chuckle, ha,ha and "Hehehehehehe," all ya want (just like Stonewall Patton does), but ain't it the truth? Justin '77's peers are the "grunts" in this thing.

Hm. I only have a handfull of military peers with whom I interact. One has finished his stint and moved on, a few are nearing the ends of their enlistments (only one intends to renew), and one unlucky bastard has been enslaved by the "stop-loss" clause. He was not encouraged to read the details of his enlistment contract (nor were any of them, I suppose) beforehand; hopefully he will be allowed to step down sometime before the end of his life. No guarantees, though. All you youngsters out there, take that as a warning!

Yes, and keep in mind, you, Justin, represent the "elder statesman of the Beavis Generation."

I wholeheartedly agree...if you were 15 during the angst filled summer of '92, when the whole thing started, you were without a doubt part of the "Beavis Generation". I can't say why, but I get a feeling that people who were 18 (or even 17) at the time were a teeny bit too old to be part of this "gen". Yes, college students in the early 90s did watch this show, but the "cult following" that this got at least for the first season or so probably wasn't there in that age group. But you can prove me wrong (again).

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

"My younger brother Peter, 16, is an elder statesman of the Beavis Generation. He does a reasonably good impression of the Beavis and Butthead snicker, and uses various Beavis and Butthead comments."

Uh, folks, this was a great article! Do the math. The "WOT" is the "Beavis Generation" war, at this point in time.

Chuckle, chuckle, ha,ha and "Hehehehehehe," all ya want (just like Stonewall Patton does), but ain't it the truth? Justin '77's peers are the "grunts" in this thing.

Hm. I only have a handfull of military peers with whom I interact. One has finished his stint and moved on, a few are nearing the ends of their enlistments (only one intends to renew), and one unlucky bastard has been enslaved by the "stop-loss" clause. He was not encouraged to read the details of his enlistment contract (nor were any of them, I suppose) beforehand; hopefully he will be allowed to step down sometime before the end of his life. No guarantees, though. All you youngsters out there, take that as a warning!

Yes, and keep in mind, you, Justin, represent the "elder statesman of the Beavis Generation."

I wholeheartedly agree...if you were 15 during the angst filled summer of '92, when the whole thing started, you were without a doubt part of the "Beavis Generation". I can't say why, but I get a feeling that people who were 18 (or even 17) at the time were a teeny bit too old to be part of this "gen". Yes, college students in the early 90s did watch this show, but the "cult following" that this got at least for the first season or so probably wasn't there in that age group. But you can prove me wrong (again).

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Mark Y

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

I read the article, and it sounds to me like this guy (who seems to be a first wave Xer) is saying Xers are really idealistic Boomer-like clones, and the cynical nihilists he talks about are all those of the age S&H would call Millennial. Weird.

My feeling is Beavis and Butthead appealed mostly to Nintendo-wave Xer males, who were still in their adolescence at the time this article was written in 1993, and not really to Millennials at all, except maybe first wave males who, like all preadolescent males, tend to emulate males just a few years older than themselves.

It seems (IMHO) like the article is referring to the old definition of generation "Y" (a wave running from those born in 1977 - 16 in 1993 - to 1985 - 8 in 1993) or the "Beavis and Butthead Generation"... a good cusper generation (with Xr cynicism/nihilism) but not really an S&H generation at all

I read the article...sounds about right. People my age were really into Beavis & Butthead until perhaps 1994 (age 16), when it started to get old. My brother (born in 1986) was also big into that show...

Note that Beavis and Butthead were fifteen (?) in the show. Since the show went on from 1992 to 1997 (I think), then B & B would represent '77 to '82 cohorts...fairly close to an "X"/"Millie" subgen

I must admit...Cornholio was a classic...

Beavis and Butthead were 14 in that show (Butthead saying that "Beavis can't wait for his 15th birthday" when referring to the ratio of orgasms per day to years of age) - Beavis's birthday was actually revealed towards the end when he saw god in a vision as December 30, 1981

but being frosh from the 92-93 school year to the 97-98 school year (thanksgiving 97) would place them somewhere in the classes of 96 thru 01 (not counting the episode where they got demoted :-))

and you said your bro is VERY atypical for his year - I can see 86ers with older siblings (like your or my younger brother) acting like 85ers (i.e. still cuspers) in certain aspects...

William...I searched the Internet...and I don't see any reference to a December 30, 1981 birthdate, or December 30, 1981 in any fashion. That really sounds very interesting...just two days before the end of the S & H Generation "X"

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Mark Y

Originally Posted by Number Two

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Originally Posted by Number Two

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=226818

an interesting article about the end of generation "X" and one of the shows I grew up on (S&H would probably consider the "Beavis Generation" to be Xrs...)

I read the article, and it sounds to me like this guy (who seems to be a first wave Xer) is saying Xers are really idealistic Boomer-like clones, and the cynical nihilists he talks about are all those of the age S&H would call Millennial. Weird.

My feeling is Beavis and Butthead appealed mostly to Nintendo-wave Xer males, who were still in their adolescence at the time this article was written in 1993, and not really to Millennials at all, except maybe first wave males who, like all preadolescent males, tend to emulate males just a few years older than themselves.

It seems (IMHO) like the article is referring to the old definition of generation "Y" (a wave running from those born in 1977 - 16 in 1993 - to 1985 - 8 in 1993) or the "Beavis and Butthead Generation"... a good cusper generation (with Xr cynicism/nihilism) but not really an S&H generation at all

I read the article...sounds about right. People my age were really into Beavis & Butthead until perhaps 1994 (age 16), when it started to get old. My brother (born in 1986) was also big into that show...

Note that Beavis and Butthead were fifteen (?) in the show. Since the show went on from 1992 to 1997 (I think), then B & B would represent '77 to '82 cohorts...fairly close to an "X"/"Millie" subgen

I must admit...Cornholio was a classic...

Beavis and Butthead were 14 in that show (Butthead saying that "Beavis can't wait for his 15th birthday" when referring to the ratio of orgasms per day to years of age) - Beavis's birthday was actually revealed towards the end when he saw god in a vision as December 30, 1981

but being frosh from the 92-93 school year to the 97-98 school year (thanksgiving 97) would place them somewhere in the classes of 96 thru 01 (not counting the episode where they got demoted :-))

and you said your bro is VERY atypical for his year - I can see 86ers with older siblings (like your or my younger brother) acting like 85ers (i.e. still cuspers) in certain aspects...

William...I searched the Internet...and I don't see any reference to a December 30, 1981 birthdate, or December 30, 1981 in any fashion. That really sounds very interesting...just two days before the end of the S & H Generation "X"