Generational Dynamics
Fourth Turning Forum Archive


Popular links:
Generational Dynamics Web Site
Generational Dynamics Forum
Fourth Turning Archive home page
New Fourth Turning Forum

Thread: Generational Boundaries - Page 76







Post#1876 at 05-13-2003 04:30 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 04:30 PM #1876
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Justin-79
Quote Originally Posted by Libertine65
Mellow Yellow---

And yet this particular room is about "Generational Boundaries".Someone in High School in 97-98 would have been 16 or 17.....That would make them 22 or 23 today.That would certainly not be Gen-X proper.I've put the younger wave at 1978.And even if time does see fit to put that group "where they belong",that stereotype does not define Gen-X.And anyway,a pothead/wino stereotype has NOTHING to do with any Gen-X archetype.A generational identity is defined by the oldest to mid wave of a demographic,something Leados has no problem claiming for her/him self when wanting to "change society" as a group.Do potheads & alkys exist in my tribe? You bet.They exist in every tribe.The 80's is the decade that defines Gen-X.Decadent though it may have been,it was was one of the most "clean-cut" eras around.I saw more Gen-Xers turn "smoke" down than partake.....Remember,I keep emphasizing that there was a youth-Cult going on at the time.There was no real movement to "change society" at the time,except to maybe bring about more *individualism*;Teetotaling(sp?) was not the rage.


This is true. The 1980s are OUR decade. Everything in my schema of the world can be traced back to something I saw, read, or did in the 1980s.
For your information, I was in high school in 1997 -1998, and I was 18 as were many of my peers.
I understand your concept of youth cult, although I believe that it ended in April 1994 when Kurt Cobain blew his brains out.
After that pop culture drifted through such horrible things as Hootie and the Blowfish and the Macarena until 1997 dawned with Spice Girls and the birth of marketing to a new generation, be them Blink 182 fans or whatever. The "generation too young to see an original star wars flick in the theaters" hence the generation born prior to 1980, who wasn't there in 83 to welcome the Jedi.
Hence me.
in HS in 1997 - 1998? Try 13-19... even I was in HS then!







Post#1877 at 05-13-2003 04:30 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 04:30 PM #1877
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Justin-79
Quote Originally Posted by Libertine65
Mellow Yellow---

And yet this particular room is about "Generational Boundaries".Someone in High School in 97-98 would have been 16 or 17.....That would make them 22 or 23 today.That would certainly not be Gen-X proper.I've put the younger wave at 1978.And even if time does see fit to put that group "where they belong",that stereotype does not define Gen-X.And anyway,a pothead/wino stereotype has NOTHING to do with any Gen-X archetype.A generational identity is defined by the oldest to mid wave of a demographic,something Leados has no problem claiming for her/him self when wanting to "change society" as a group.Do potheads & alkys exist in my tribe? You bet.They exist in every tribe.The 80's is the decade that defines Gen-X.Decadent though it may have been,it was was one of the most "clean-cut" eras around.I saw more Gen-Xers turn "smoke" down than partake.....Remember,I keep emphasizing that there was a youth-Cult going on at the time.There was no real movement to "change society" at the time,except to maybe bring about more *individualism*;Teetotaling(sp?) was not the rage.


This is true. The 1980s are OUR decade. Everything in my schema of the world can be traced back to something I saw, read, or did in the 1980s.
For your information, I was in high school in 1997 -1998, and I was 18 as were many of my peers.
I understand your concept of youth cult, although I believe that it ended in April 1994 when Kurt Cobain blew his brains out.
After that pop culture drifted through such horrible things as Hootie and the Blowfish and the Macarena until 1997 dawned with Spice Girls and the birth of marketing to a new generation, be them Blink 182 fans or whatever. The "generation too young to see an original star wars flick in the theaters" hence the generation born prior to 1980, who wasn't there in 83 to welcome the Jedi.
Hence me.
in HS in 1997 - 1998? Try 13-19... even I was in HS then!







Post#1878 at 05-13-2003 04:30 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 04:30 PM #1878
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Justin-79
Quote Originally Posted by Libertine65
Mellow Yellow---

And yet this particular room is about "Generational Boundaries".Someone in High School in 97-98 would have been 16 or 17.....That would make them 22 or 23 today.That would certainly not be Gen-X proper.I've put the younger wave at 1978.And even if time does see fit to put that group "where they belong",that stereotype does not define Gen-X.And anyway,a pothead/wino stereotype has NOTHING to do with any Gen-X archetype.A generational identity is defined by the oldest to mid wave of a demographic,something Leados has no problem claiming for her/him self when wanting to "change society" as a group.Do potheads & alkys exist in my tribe? You bet.They exist in every tribe.The 80's is the decade that defines Gen-X.Decadent though it may have been,it was was one of the most "clean-cut" eras around.I saw more Gen-Xers turn "smoke" down than partake.....Remember,I keep emphasizing that there was a youth-Cult going on at the time.There was no real movement to "change society" at the time,except to maybe bring about more *individualism*;Teetotaling(sp?) was not the rage.


This is true. The 1980s are OUR decade. Everything in my schema of the world can be traced back to something I saw, read, or did in the 1980s.
For your information, I was in high school in 1997 -1998, and I was 18 as were many of my peers.
I understand your concept of youth cult, although I believe that it ended in April 1994 when Kurt Cobain blew his brains out.
After that pop culture drifted through such horrible things as Hootie and the Blowfish and the Macarena until 1997 dawned with Spice Girls and the birth of marketing to a new generation, be them Blink 182 fans or whatever. The "generation too young to see an original star wars flick in the theaters" hence the generation born prior to 1980, who wasn't there in 83 to welcome the Jedi.
Hence me.
in HS in 1997 - 1998? Try 13-19... even I was in HS then!







Post#1879 at 05-13-2003 04:30 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 04:30 PM #1879
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Justin-79
Quote Originally Posted by Libertine65
Mellow Yellow---

And yet this particular room is about "Generational Boundaries".Someone in High School in 97-98 would have been 16 or 17.....That would make them 22 or 23 today.That would certainly not be Gen-X proper.I've put the younger wave at 1978.And even if time does see fit to put that group "where they belong",that stereotype does not define Gen-X.And anyway,a pothead/wino stereotype has NOTHING to do with any Gen-X archetype.A generational identity is defined by the oldest to mid wave of a demographic,something Leados has no problem claiming for her/him self when wanting to "change society" as a group.Do potheads & alkys exist in my tribe? You bet.They exist in every tribe.The 80's is the decade that defines Gen-X.Decadent though it may have been,it was was one of the most "clean-cut" eras around.I saw more Gen-Xers turn "smoke" down than partake.....Remember,I keep emphasizing that there was a youth-Cult going on at the time.There was no real movement to "change society" at the time,except to maybe bring about more *individualism*;Teetotaling(sp?) was not the rage.


This is true. The 1980s are OUR decade. Everything in my schema of the world can be traced back to something I saw, read, or did in the 1980s.
For your information, I was in high school in 1997 -1998, and I was 18 as were many of my peers.
I understand your concept of youth cult, although I believe that it ended in April 1994 when Kurt Cobain blew his brains out.
After that pop culture drifted through such horrible things as Hootie and the Blowfish and the Macarena until 1997 dawned with Spice Girls and the birth of marketing to a new generation, be them Blink 182 fans or whatever. The "generation too young to see an original star wars flick in the theaters" hence the generation born prior to 1980, who wasn't there in 83 to welcome the Jedi.
Hence me.
in HS in 1997 - 1998? Try 13-19... even I was in HS then!







Post#1880 at 05-13-2003 07:34 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
---
05-13-2003, 07:34 PM #1880
Join Date
Sep 2001
Location
Meh.
Posts
12,182

Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow
Kids my age were out in the streets partying, drinking, and there was no law against it.
(vomits)
No no no! That's the whole point of the anecdote... There was likely hardly any vomiting going on at all... Binge drinking tends to be the province of the more puritanical societies.







Post#1881 at 05-13-2003 07:34 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
---
05-13-2003, 07:34 PM #1881
Join Date
Sep 2001
Location
Meh.
Posts
12,182

Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow
Kids my age were out in the streets partying, drinking, and there was no law against it.
(vomits)
No no no! That's the whole point of the anecdote... There was likely hardly any vomiting going on at all... Binge drinking tends to be the province of the more puritanical societies.







Post#1882 at 05-13-2003 07:34 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
---
05-13-2003, 07:34 PM #1882
Join Date
Sep 2001
Location
Meh.
Posts
12,182

Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow
Kids my age were out in the streets partying, drinking, and there was no law against it.
(vomits)
No no no! That's the whole point of the anecdote... There was likely hardly any vomiting going on at all... Binge drinking tends to be the province of the more puritanical societies.







Post#1883 at 05-13-2003 07:34 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
---
05-13-2003, 07:34 PM #1883
Join Date
Sep 2001
Location
Meh.
Posts
12,182

Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow
Kids my age were out in the streets partying, drinking, and there was no law against it.
(vomits)
No no no! That's the whole point of the anecdote... There was likely hardly any vomiting going on at all... Binge drinking tends to be the province of the more puritanical societies.







Post#1884 at 05-13-2003 09:44 PM by Katie '85 [at joined Sep 2002 #posts 306]
---
05-13-2003, 09:44 PM #1884
Join Date
Sep 2002
Posts
306

Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson







Post#1885 at 05-13-2003 09:44 PM by Katie '85 [at joined Sep 2002 #posts 306]
---
05-13-2003, 09:44 PM #1885
Join Date
Sep 2002
Posts
306

Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson







Post#1886 at 05-13-2003 09:44 PM by Katie '85 [at joined Sep 2002 #posts 306]
---
05-13-2003, 09:44 PM #1886
Join Date
Sep 2002
Posts
306

Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson







Post#1887 at 05-13-2003 09:44 PM by Katie '85 [at joined Sep 2002 #posts 306]
---
05-13-2003, 09:44 PM #1887
Join Date
Sep 2002
Posts
306

Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson







Post#1888 at 05-13-2003 10:06 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 10:06 PM #1888
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
He's not really one to joke







Post#1889 at 05-13-2003 10:06 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 10:06 PM #1889
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
He's not really one to joke







Post#1890 at 05-13-2003 10:06 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 10:06 PM #1890
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
He's not really one to joke







Post#1891 at 05-13-2003 10:06 PM by [at joined #posts ]
---
05-13-2003, 10:06 PM #1891
Guest

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
He's not really one to joke







Post#1892 at 05-14-2003 08:34 AM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
---
05-14-2003, 08:34 AM #1892
Join Date
Jul 2002
Location
Arlington, VA 1956
Posts
9,209

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Heavens! I'd die without my chocolate! :o
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#1893 at 05-14-2003 08:34 AM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
---
05-14-2003, 08:34 AM #1893
Join Date
Jul 2002
Location
Arlington, VA 1956
Posts
9,209

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Heavens! I'd die without my chocolate! :o
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#1894 at 05-14-2003 08:34 AM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
---
05-14-2003, 08:34 AM #1894
Join Date
Jul 2002
Location
Arlington, VA 1956
Posts
9,209

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Heavens! I'd die without my chocolate! :o
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#1895 at 05-14-2003 08:34 AM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
---
05-14-2003, 08:34 AM #1895
Join Date
Jul 2002
Location
Arlington, VA 1956
Posts
9,209

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Heavens! I'd die without my chocolate! :o
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#1896 at 05-14-2003 10:04 AM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
---
05-14-2003, 10:04 AM #1896
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
Vancouver, Washington
Posts
8,275

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Will the last person to leave the Zeitgeist Cafe please turn out the lights! :lol:







Post#1897 at 05-14-2003 10:04 AM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
---
05-14-2003, 10:04 AM #1897
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
Vancouver, Washington
Posts
8,275

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Will the last person to leave the Zeitgeist Cafe please turn out the lights! :lol:







Post#1898 at 05-14-2003 10:04 AM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
---
05-14-2003, 10:04 AM #1898
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
Vancouver, Washington
Posts
8,275

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Will the last person to leave the Zeitgeist Cafe please turn out the lights! :lol:







Post#1899 at 05-14-2003 10:04 AM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
---
05-14-2003, 10:04 AM #1899
Join Date
Jul 2001
Location
Vancouver, Washington
Posts
8,275

Quote Originally Posted by Katie '85
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
And I suppose the class of 2001 is off your radar?

Well... at least you're not the worst anti-drug person on the forum :-)
Yeah, the C2001 graduated before I moved here. Who is the most anti-drug person n the forum?
Tristan "ban all caffeine, even chocolate" Jones '83 from Australia
Ban caffeine? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Are you absolutely sure he's not joking?
Will the last person to leave the Zeitgeist Cafe please turn out the lights! :lol:







Post#1900 at 05-14-2003 12:50 PM by BrendanB [at Denver, CO joined Mar 2003 #posts 86]
---
05-14-2003, 12:50 PM #1900
Join Date
Mar 2003
Location
Denver, CO
Posts
86

1981

Quote Originally Posted by AlexMnWi
(however, Colorado is by far the drunkest state).
Denver, especially; the nightlife is killer. Hey, what do you expect? We have the Coors brewery. Anyway, I'd put the line at '81. Columbine happened in 1999, when I was 19, out of high school, and an adult for a full year. Besides, I was a Carter baby; Reagan didn't win the election until November 4, 1980 (I was born in April), and he didn't take office until January 20, 1981. I don't know about you guys, but, I can't tell any difference in someone born in 1977, and someone born in 1980. We listen to the same music, talk about the same things, etc. At least my '77 cohort friend and I do. At any rate, there ARE two distinct waves of 13'ers; Generation X and Generation Y (Atari wave, Nintendo wave), whatever you want to call it. We're all 13'ers.
"And in your aching hour, Time wilts like flowers, Sleeping on land-mine pillows, Tired angels save my love for the lasting one, Sweet euphoria" - Chris Cornell, Sweet Euphoria
-----------------------------------------