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Post#3376 at 05-27-2013 01:30 AM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
All severe weather today is increasing due to global warming. Sources? every scientist who has studied the matter.
There's this thing called teh internets. Please use it to post a source here.

Oh my Gawd, that conservative rag, the NYT contradicts you.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/20...nging-climate/

Vandal'72 is apparently right. You do go off spouting off on stuff that:
1. You know zilch about.
2. You didn't bother to at least use teh internets to find some link to back up your assertion.


Not at all. Look at the voting records of these folk. They are totally against any conservation or energy conversion. Case closed. They are the #1 causes of global warming.
I would agree (after I did the research. )
http://www.salon.com/2011/07/11/ener...t_bulb_debate/

We depend too much on cows for food. If we eat less meat and dairy, we won't need so many cows and their methane.
OK, how should I get my calcium and vitamin D then? Should I just take my shirt off while messing around the yard and assume the latest crap wrt UV is correct? IOW, it's perfectly OK to sun myself for something like 30 minutes even though I was a towhead and still have blue eyes? Calcium is easier. Calcium lactate pills or those dandelions work for that.

Yes, we have more warning now. Residents should have the ability to collect what they can and take it down with them. Why should tornadoes be allowed to take everything away that people own?
Uh, it's hard to move a couch to a celler for one.
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Post#3377 at 05-27-2013 01:15 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
There's this thing called teh internets. Please use it to post a source here.

Oh my Gawd, that conservative rag, the NYT contradicts you.

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/20...nging-climate/

Vandal'72 is apparently right. You do go off spouting off on stuff that:
1. You know zilch about.
2. You didn't bother to at least use teh internets to find some link to back up your assertion.
You replied too quickly.

Some scientists say there might not be more tornadoes because of global warming. In my own thinking though, it still makes sense to say there will be. I'm not proposing my ideas as truth, as you and vandal claim; but consider this. These scientists, if I understand them, say there will be less wind sheer to stir up tornadoes because the ice caps are melting. But that just means the air won't be as cold. The speed of the wind in the jet stream will be just as high, because that's caused by the earth turning, which is not affected by global warming. That seems the critical factor, along with there being more and more intense thunderstorms.
I would agree (after I did the research. )
http://www.salon.com/2011/07/11/ener...t_bulb_debate/
Good. Then vandal is not right. All you need to do is look at voting records as reported by the League of Conservation voters. The people who voted for the Tea Party in 2010, are the same folks who voted in Reagan 32 years ago, who took down the solar panels from the White House roof.
OK, how should I get my calcium and vitamin D then? Should I just take my shirt off while messing around the yard and assume the latest crap wrt UV is correct? IOW, it's perfectly OK to sun myself for something like 30 minutes even though I was a towhead and still have blue eyes? Calcium is easier. Calcium lactate pills or those dandelions work for that.
I don't know about some of those ways, but there are other ways. Take supplements, yes. Or as I said, reduce your meat and dairy intake; I didn't say eliminate.

Uh, it's hard to move a couch to a celler for one.
But pictures, your own writings, some CDs and books, not so hard. A couch is not so important; you can keep an old one down there anyway. And an extra refrigerator too, with some water in it. Your shelter can be disaster-ready.

If you live in earthquake country, like we do in CA, then our buildings need to be up to code and retrofitted. Earthquakes don't kill people; buildings do. The same applies to tornado alley.
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Post#3378 at 05-27-2013 01:19 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Everyone is pretty much equally fucked when Yellowstone goes off, Australia included. It won't be the end of the world but it will be the end of the world as we know it. That said, Yellowstone is the other primary cause of the fertility of the great plains.
Well, we passed 2012, so I guess we're safe for a while!

I hope someday we'll have the know-how to diffuse Yellowstone. We can hope anyway. Can we figure out how to let off some of the steam from below, without triggering a blow-up? Risky business for sure.
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Post#3379 at 05-27-2013 05:37 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
You replied too quickly.
Promptness is a virtue.

Some scientists say there might not be more tornadoes because of global warming. In my own thinking though, it still makes sense to say there will be. I'm not proposing my ideas as truth, as you and vandal claim; but consider this. These scientists, if I understand them, say there will be less wind sheer to stir up tornadoes because the ice caps are melting. But that just means the air won't be as cold. The speed of the wind in the jet stream will be just as high, because that's caused by the earth turning, which is not affected by global warming. That seems the critical factor, along with there being more and more intense thunderstorms.
I can condense all of the stuff above as "In Eric's opinion, global warming will induce more tornadoes."

Quote Originally Posted by copperfield
Oh don't worry, I didn't post the reference for your benefit. I posted it so that others could read it and see how wrong you are.
Quote Originally Posted by Vandal'72
Geez. Your ignorance of firearms was being handled by others but you had to go ahead and start spouting off about biology (ecology in particular). Haven't we already established that you don't know anything about the topic?
In copperfield,Vandal's and Rag's opinions, Eric fails to substantiate his opinions.
(Or in some cases we find something to outright refute them).

I'm sorely tempted to do a poll thread on this thing.

Poll (select 1 option)

1. Eric's opinions are usually right.
2. Eric's opinions are usually rubbish.
3. I don't know, Eric has me on ignore.
4. I don't know, I have Eric on ignore.
5. Eric has a fully functional crystal ball that is always right.



Good. Then vandal is not right. All you need to do is look at voting records as reported by the League of Conservation voters. The people who voted for the Tea Party in 2010, are the same folks who voted in Reagan 32 years ago, who took down the solar panels from the White House roof.
Vandal is usually right. I'd pick option 2 from the proposed poll.

I don't know about some of those ways, but there are other ways. Take supplements, yes. Or as I said, reduce your meat and dairy intake; I didn't say eliminate.

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/publica...Getting-Enough
Ah, the benefits of genomics are here. I should shoot for 30ng/l. I'm still going to do milk because it has calcium,vitamin D3.vitamin B12, and *branched chained amino acids.

You jog, right? Here's why you need milk.

Quote Originally Posted by NCBI
BCAAs (leucine, isoleucine, and valine), particularly leucine, have anabolic effects on protein metabolism by increasing the rate of protein synthesis and decreasing the rate of protein degradation in resting human muscle. Also, during recovery from endurance exercise, BCAAs were found to have anabolic effects in human muscle. These effects are likely to be mediated through changes in signaling pathways controlling protein synthesis. This involves phosphorylation of the mammalian target of rapamycin (mTOR) and sequential activation of 70-kD S6 protein kinase (p70 S6 kinase) and the eukaryotic initiation factor 4E-binding protein 1. Activation of p70 S6 kinase, and subsequent phopsphorylation of the ribosomal protein S6, is associated with enhanced translation of specific mRNAs. When BCAAs were supplied to subjects during and after one session of quadriceps muscle resistance exercise, an increase in mTOR, p70 S6 kinase, and S6 phosphorylation was found in the recovery period after the exercise with no effect of BCAAs on Akt or glycogen synthase kinase 3 (GSK-3) phosphorylation. Exercise without BCAA intake led to a partial phosphorylation of p70 S6 kinase without activating the enzyme, a decrease in Akt phosphorylation, and no change in GSK-3. It has previously been shown that leucine infusion increases p70 S6 kinase phosphorylation in an Akt-independent manner in resting subjects; however, a relation between mTOR and p70 S6 kinase has not been reported previously. The results suggest that BCAAs activate mTOR and p70 S6 kinase in human muscle in the recovery period after exercise and that GSK-3 is not involved in the anabolic action of BCAAs on human muscle.


Want a better recovery? Here you go.


But pictures, your own writings, some CDs and books, not so hard. A couch is not so important; you can keep an old one down there anyway. And an extra refrigerator too, with some water in it. Your shelter can be disaster-ready.
I can fit all but pictures on a flash drive stick. PDF's are cool that way. If you stash gold, you can carry several grand in one of your pockets. (If you elect to not stash it in the deposit box. )

If you live in earthquake country, like we do in CA, then our buildings need to be up to code and retrofitted. Earthquakes don't kill people; buildings do. The same applies to tornado alley.
To paraphrase. Natural disasters that whack buildings don't kill people, buildings kill people
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Post#3380 at 05-27-2013 05:50 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
Promptness is a virtue.
Not if you miss what I post. Or not if your sole goal is to jump on Eric wherever possible.

I can condense all of the stuff above as "In Eric's opinion, global warming will induce more tornadoes."
That omits my careful and thoughtful reasoning behind the condensation, which you did nothing to refute. You'll have to call on vandal, whom I will ignore.

Maybe it's this: global warming will induce fewer tomatoes.

Rule of thumb: global warming causes more severe weather. The rest are details. Dwelling on the details is to miss the point: we'd better change, and prepare.


In copperfield,Vandal's and Rag's opinions, Eric fails to substantiate his opinions.
(Or in some cases we find something to outright refute them).

I'm sorely tempted to do a poll thread on this thing.

Poll (select 1 option)

1. Eric's opinions are usually right.
2. Eric's opinions are usually rubbish.
3. I don't know, Eric has me on ignore.
4. I don't know, I have Eric on ignore.
5. Eric has a fully functional crystal ball that is always right.

Vandal is usually right. I'd pick option 2 from the proposed poll.
You picked the wrong option. Maybe I might consider option 3 for you then.

Vandal is never right. Even when he is, which is rare, his attitude makes him wrong.

http://www.pharmacytimes.com/publica...Getting-Enough
Ah, the benefits of genomics are here. I should shoot for 30ng/l. I'm still going to do milk because it has calcium,vitamin D3.vitamin B12, and *branched chained amino acids.

You jog, right? Here's why you need milk.



Want a better recovery? Here you go.
I need to cut down on milk. My body is not digesting it well. It might be GMOs in the corn and soy the cows eat. Or it might be that animals are not good to eat. Or it might be that guilt over cow methane is subconsciously influencing me. In any case, milk is probably not good for me, or many other people, except in small amounts.
To paraphrase. Natural disasters that whack buildings don't kill people, buildings kill people
Yes; so is that rubbish? Or are just the leftovers from the tornadoes rubbish?
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Post#3381 at 05-27-2013 06:27 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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"Global warming will induce fewer tomatoes"?







Post#3382 at 05-27-2013 08:46 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
"Global warming will induce fewer tomatoes"?
So.. the warmer the planet, the more likely tomatoes will carry to term?
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Post#3383 at 05-27-2013 08:57 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Not if you miss what I post. Or not if your sole goal is to jump on Eric wherever possible.
I think "pester" would be a better word.

That omits my careful and thoughtful reasoning behind the condensation, which you did nothing to refute. You'll have to call on vandal, whom I will ignore.
Vandal is still on your ignore list? Xer snark can be funny if you "get it".

Maybe it's this: global warming will induce fewer tomatoes.
I wouldn't want that. I have 2 tomato plants in my garden. I'd have to plant more if the above were the case.

Rule of thumb: global warming causes more severe weather. The rest are details. Dwelling on the details is to miss the point: we'd better change, and prepare.
Here you go.
http://www.c2es.org/newsroom/article...climate-change


You picked the wrong option. Maybe I might consider option 3 for you then.
Not quite. I'd have to edit my vote to match the new status.

Vandal is never right. Even when he is, which is rare, his attitude makes him wrong.
He's not option 3 then?

I need to cut down on milk. My body is not digesting it well. It might be GMOs in the corn and soy they eat. Or it might be that animals are not good to eat. Or it might be that guilt over cow methane is subconsciously influencing me. In any case, milk is probably not good for me, or many other people, except in small amounts.
Perhaps it's just lactose intolerance. The reality is that most folks in the world can't digest lactose after toddlerhood.

Yes; so is that rubbish? Or are just the leftovers from the tornadoes rubbish?
The term used for the action of tornadoes on assorted nouns in their way is debris. I'm not sure to which noun(s) you are referring to with the pronoun, "that". English has a weird grammar wrt "that" (That, these, those , them).
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
So.. the warmer the planet, the more likely tomatoes will carry to term?
Storms of all kinds (including winter storms) will be more frequent and severe. Hurricanes will be especially more frequent and more severe; they will last longer (if anyone wants to risk allowing hurricanes to reach places like Japan and western Europe one is crazy) and appear in more places because ocean waters will have more heat. Heat waves will be more brutal, often reaching places that almost never get them. Those could wither crops.

Some other ecological effects could be unpleasant. if the range of the American alligator should reach the Ohio and Potomac Rivers people might lose some beloved pets -- and perhaps small children. Tropical diseases could reach places not now tropical -- like New York City.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Well, we passed 2012, so I guess we're safe for a while!

I hope someday we'll have the know-how to diffuse Yellowstone. We can hope anyway. Can we figure out how to let off some of the steam from below, without triggering a blow-up? Risky business for sure.
Do you seriously think that's how it works?







Post#3386 at 05-28-2013 12:06 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
Vandal is still on your ignore list? Xer snark can be funny if you "get it".
Xer snark is mostly just annoying. As for vandal, it is merely a case of lack of respect for others. I don't anticipate him ever leaving my ignore list. Discussion with him or reading his posts is pointless. But bless him, and may he enjoy his life.

I wouldn't want that. I have 2 tomato plants in my garden. I'd have to plant more if the above were the case.
One of the consequences of global warming will be water shortages, and thus food shortages in many places. Thus the play on words. Get it?

Looks like some good reading there.

Perhaps it's just lactose intolerance. The reality is that most folks in the world can't digest lactose after toddlerhood.
Some people say that. It has gone down with me OK until recently. I just have to cut down on dairy, for various reasons. Maybe I'm becoming intolerant now. I think I have had a tendency to a nasal problem anyway, which is attributable to my dairy habit too.

The term used for the action of tornadoes on assorted nouns in their way is debris. I'm not sure to which noun(s) you are referring to with the pronoun, "that". English has a weird grammar wrt "that" (That, these, those , them).
If you implied that I made a good point, then my posts are not necessarily "rubbish." But I guess the pun would not work if I use the correct term for the results of the tornado.
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
So.. the warmer the planet, the more likely tomatoes will carry to term?
No. Induction is when the baby is post-term, in other words, late getting born. So if fewer tomatoes are post-term, it might be because more are pre-term.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonkette View Post
No. Induction is when the baby is post-term, in other words, late getting born. So if fewer tomatoes are post-term, it might be because more are pre-term.
My bad. Should have asked one of the ladies...
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The more global warming, the more tornadoes, and the fewer tomatoes.

And our toes get wet more often.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
The more global warming, the more tornadoes, and the fewer tomatoes.

And our toes get wet more often.
Technically it would mean more tomatoes. Sadly forgotten by most of America's "food grows on grocery shelves" skill-set, tomatoes originated as a hot-climate plant native to Mexico. The tomato is actually a perennial in hotter climates.







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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Technically it would mean more tomatoes. Sadly forgotten by most of America's "food grows on grocery shelves" skill-set, tomatoes originated as a hot-climate plant native to Mexico. The tomato is actually a perennial in hotter climates.
Which might work if they also get a lot more floods, and the people there know how to capture all the water.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I thought Eric was referring to tomato-seeking tornadoes?
A secret weapon designed by Al Qaeda operatives, you know. There's nothing more Americana than ketchup.
Al Qaeda can have the tomato. I have never had much luck growing the damn things; they are far too finicky. And besides the local farmer's market always has tons for sale for pennies on the pound. We usually buy 15 to 20 pounds worth every July to make home-made Italian tomato sauce (I would call it "spaghetti sauce" but I would get slapped).







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At least two tornadoes went over the STL metro tonight. I've never seen clearer hook echoes on radar. Major thunderstorms continued overnight, with more to come.

The rivers in the area were already forecast to rise above flood stage; now, after heavy rain upstream and locally they will rise further.

There is no global warming.







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Oh, yeah, OKC got hit again yesterday.







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Floods the worst on record in some places in Europe today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ter-areas.html

These libertarians and conservatives with their heads in the sand will have their tooshes buried in 20 feet of water before too long. And there will be no chancellor to visit them!
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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Al Qaeda can have the tomato. I have never had much luck growing the damn things; they are far too finicky. And besides the local farmer's market always has tons for sale for pennies on the pound. We usually buy 15 to 20 pounds worth every July to make home-made Italian tomato sauce (I would call it "spaghetti sauce" but I would get slapped).
I've heard it called gravy - by Italians ... well, Italian-Americans anyway.
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Holy tomatoes!

The deadly tornado that plowed through an area near Oklahoma City last week was even larger and more powerful than previously estimated — a record 2.6 miles wide with winds that reached nearly 300 mph, just shy of the strongest winds ever measured.

The National Weather Service on Tuesday announced that the twister that hit El Reno was a top-of-the-scale EF5 twister — the second to strike the area in less than two weeks.

Friday's tornado was initially rated as an EF3. But the agency upgraded that ranking after surveying damage and concluding that the storm had winds of 295 mph. Eighteen people died in the storm and subsequent flooding, including three storm chasers.

The Oklahoma City area also saw an EF5 tornado on May 20. That one raked Moore, a suburb 25 miles southeast of El Reno, and killed 24 people. Moore was hit in 1999 by another EF5, which had the strongest winds ever measured on earth: 302 mph.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/d...9#.Ua5x_tLVB-Q
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Left Arrow Spaghetti?

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Holy tomatoes!
I was waiting for a punch line where the twister hit a tomato field and created a record large pond of spaghetti sauce.







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Hotter weather means more and more severe storms.

Here's some background on tornadoes:

http://www.tornadoproject.com/fscale/fscale.htm

[quote]Since 1950 , using the now-obsolete Fujita scale with F0 as a marginal tornado (which can kill someone who does something stupid) to F6 (an unprecedented tornado that would probably destroy a reinforced-concrete building, so being in the path would itself have the consequences of monumental stupidity), one has this description of tornadoes by severity of damage:

The Fujita Scale

F0 Gale tornado 40-72 mph Some damage to chimneys; breaks branches off trees; pushes over shallow-rooted trees; damages sign boards.

F1 Moderate tornado 73-112 mph The lower limit is the beginning of hurricane wind speed; peels surface off roofs; mobile homes pushed off foundations or overturned; moving autos pushed off the roads; attached garages may be destroyed.

F2 Significant tornado 113-157 mph Considerable damage. Roofs torn off frame houses; mobile homes demolished; boxcars pushed over; large trees snapped or uprooted; light object missiles generated.

F3 Severe tornado 158-206 mph Roof and some walls torn off well constructed houses; trains overturned; most trees in fores uprooted

F4 Devastating tornado 207-260 mph Well-constructed houses leveled; structures with weak foundations blown off some distance; cars thrown and large missiles generated.

F5 Incredible tornado 261-318 mph Strong frame houses lifted off foundations and carried considerable distances to disintegrate; automobile sized missiles fly through the air in excess of 100 meters; trees debarked; steel re-inforced concrete structures badly damaged.

F6 Inconceivable tornado 319-379 mph These winds are very unlikely. The small area of damage they might produce would probably not be recognizable along with the mess produced by F4 and F5 wind that would surround the F6 winds. Missiles, such as cars and refrigerators would do serious secondary damage that could not be directly identified as F6 damage. If this level is ever achieved, evidence for it might only be found in some manner of ground swirl pattern, for it may never be identifiable through engineering studies
About three quarter of all tornadoes are F0 and F1, and they cause 4% of all tornado deaths. Stupid things that can get one killed in such a storm include being next to a chimney that collapses or being caught on a highway and get pushed into a body of water in which one drowns.

F2 and F3 tornadoes comprise 20% of all tornadoes but cause 29% of all tornado deaths. Mobile homes are demolished in F2 tornadoes. In an F3 tornado large trees can snap, so expect no safety near any tree or motor vehicle.

F4 and F5 tornadoes are rare (1%) but take 67% of all deaths from tornadoes. One needs to be in a shelter to have a good chance of survival.

Note well that I have been counting deaths. I suspect that tornadoes of any kind cause even more injuries from lacerations to broken bones. "Missiles" can include window glass, furniture, books, appliances, and even household pets. A 10-pound cat striking one at 250 mph (close to the F4/F5 boundary) would have as much force as a lioness at full charge.

F6? There has never been one. One would need to be in a shelter deep underground and hope that it does not get flooded.

Why the obsolete scale? Because it encompasses more tornadoes.
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Post#3400 at 06-05-2013 10:43 AM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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It appears that tornado alley is expanding over an even wider area. Our state is included. Over the past three years, we have experienced an increase in severe storms and tornadoes. Joplin, of course, was the worst.

While my main concern with these tornadoes, are the lives at stake and the devastating damage they cause, but also, the ever increasing cost of home insurance. We have seen our rates increase every year. This is but another factor in the cost of global warming.

A report finds that the traditional boundaries of Tornado Alley — which has centered on the Plains states of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska and South Dakota— should be expanded to include much of the Midwest and Deep South, because the frequency and severity of tornadoes in those areas is much more widespread than commonly believed.The report was released in late March by CoreLogic, a private research and consulting company based in Santa Ana, Calif., that provides information and services to businesses and government.


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