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Post#5626 at 02-28-2016 12:02 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by MordecaiK View Post
... Nixon appealed to popular prejudice. And Nixon gave us the EPA and Clean Air Act and tried to give us national health insurance and guaranteed annual income.
True, but he is arguably the last President from the prior Progressive cycle. And Trump is not anything we've seen outside a fascist country.
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Post#5627 at 02-29-2016 05:19 PM by radind [at Alabama joined Sep 2009 #posts 1,595]
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Recent article on deep ocean circulation.


Role of chaos in deep ocean turned upside down
Reversal could change timeline of heat and carbon storage in the seas.


http://www.nature.com/news/role-of-c...DAILY-20160229


… "Now, some researchers are rethinking the role of this turbulence — turning it upside down. Using computer simulations fed with measurements from the field, they argue that small-scale turbulence drives circulation by pushing water in the ocean’s interior down, not up.”…


… "Water thought to take a millennium to circulate — sinking at the chilly poles and rising elsewhere to warm — instead could be doing so in centuries. Understanding that process is important for getting climate models right. “Climate models currently take a simplistic view which does not represent the role of ocean turbulence in deep circulation accurately,’…


… "In 1966, Munk suggested that turbulence drove this process, and calculated how much of it the oceans would need to power their great conveyor belts of water. Over the years, his calculation went from controversial heresy to established wisdom.”…







Post#5628 at 02-29-2016 06:13 PM by radind [at Alabama joined Sep 2009 #posts 1,595]
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Is this a valid concern?

Nature spotlights deep skepticism about bioenergy with carbon capture and storage


http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip...E1PA8Z,EPTGE,1


… "Just after the Paris meeting, Nature published a commentary by Kevin Anderson, deputy director of the UK’s Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He praised December’s Paris climate agreement as the 21st century’s equivalent to “the victory of heliocentrism over the inquisition,” but warned that “it risks being total fantasy.” He insisted that what’s required is “urgent and significant cuts in emissions.” He lamented, though, that “rather than requiring that nations reduce emissions in the short-to-medium term, the Paris agreement instead rests on the assumption that the world will successfully suck the carbon pollution it produces back from the atmosphere in the longer term.””…







Post#5629 at 03-02-2016 04:58 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Antarctic Ice Loss Accelerating
03.05.2015

by Morgan Kelly, Princeton University
http://www.reportingclimatescience.c...ays-study.html

During the past decade, Antarctica's massive ice sheet lost twice the amount of ice in its western portion compared with what it accumulated in the east, according to Princeton University researchers who came to one overall conclusion — the southern continent's ice cap is melting ever faster.

The researchers "weighed" Antarctica's ice sheet using gravitational satellite data and found that from 2003 to 2014, the ice sheet lost 92 billion tons of ice per year, the researchers report in the journal Earth and Planetary Science Letters. If stacked on the island of Manhattan, that amount of ice would be more than a mile high — more than five times the height of the Empire State Building.

The vast majority of that loss was from West Antarctica, which is the smaller of the continent's two main regions and abuts the Antarctic Peninsula that winds up toward South America. Since 2008, ice loss from West Antarctica's unstable glaciers doubled from an average annual loss of 121 billion tons of ice to twice that by 2014, the researchers found. The ice sheet on East Antarctica, the continent's much larger and overall more stable region, thickened during that same time, but only accumulated half the amount of ice lost from the west, the researchers reported.
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Post#5630 at 03-11-2016 04:45 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Big solar is heading for boom times in the US
Riding three strengths, overcoming one weakness.
Updated by David Roberts on March 10, 2016, 9:30 a.m. ET @drvox david@vox.com
http://www.vox.com/2016/3/10/1119202...lar-boom-times

When people think of solar power, they tend to think of panels on rooftops. That kind of small-scale, distributed solar power is the most visible, gets the most press, and, from the consumer perspective, has the most sex appeal.

But the humble workhorse of solar power is the utility-scale solar power plant, usually defined as a solar array larger than 5 megawatts.

Solar power plants can consist in either PV panels or mirrors that focus sunlight on a fluid that boils and turns a turbine ("concentrating solar power," or CSP). In practice, most new solar plants these days use PV, which has gotten so cheap so fast that it's outcompeted CSP and every other solar segment, at least for now.

In 2007, there were zero utility-scale solar power plants in the US. Today there are hundreds, ranging from the 579 MW Solar Star project (the world's largest solar farm) in California down to dozens upon dozens of 10, 20, and 50 MW projects in communities across the country. (SEIA counts 2,100 solar PV projects over 1 MW.)

Big solar power plants still provide a measly 0.6 percent of overall US electricity. But they are headed up a steep growth curve.

Residential rooftop solar is the fastest growing solar segment, but utility-scale solar is bigger. There's more installed, so even with its slower growth rate it adds more capacity each year — in 2015, it accounted for 57 percent of all new installed solar capacity.

What's more, there's a ton of utility solar in the pipeline. According to the Energy Information Administration, 9.5 GW of utility solar is scheduled for installation in 2016 — more than from any other single energy source, including natural gas.

That would make 2016 a banner year, with utility solar accounting for more than three-quarters of installed solar capacity, installing more in a year than in the past three combined.

That's serious growth. A new report from GTM Research is also optimistic about utility-scale solar passing something of a milestone in 2016.

For years, the growth of big solar was driven by state-level renewable energy mandates; utilities had to build these plants. This coming year, GTM expects more than half the growth in big solar to come outside those mandates.


In other words, utilities are beginning to voluntarily opt for big solar.

Why is that? Utility solar is being boosted by three strengths — and it's making progress against its one weakness...........

Big solar is about to get unstoppable

Big solar used to be almost entirely driven by policy, mainly state renewable energy standards and federal tax credits. It has all but outgrown the first and will outgrow the latter over the next five years.

It's about to stand on its own two feet, outcompeting even rivals that are allowed to dump carbon emissions into the atmosphere for free. It won't be long before the discussion about environmental benefits is moot — utilities will demand solar because it's the cheapest power available.
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Post#5631 at 03-17-2016 01:40 PM by radind [at Alabama joined Sep 2009 #posts 1,595]
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Good news.


Industry CO2 emissions held steady despite global economy growth


https://www.newscientist.com/article...GLOBAL-twitter


… "They seemed inseparable. But the once-rigid link between rises in global economic activity and carbon dioxide emissions may have been broken.
The International Energy Agency has reported that CO2 emissions from energy activities such as power generation and transport have remained unchanged for the second year running – even as the global economy grew.”…







Post#5632 at 03-17-2016 01:55 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by radind View Post
Good news.
Solar and wind power have been supplanting some energy from fossil fuels, and people are using energy more efficiently. Coal-based energy, probably the most lavish source of CO2 for any form of energy generation, seems to be in decline.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#5633 at 03-17-2016 03:00 PM by Classic-X'er [at joined Sep 2012 #posts 1,789]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Solar and wind power have been supplanting some energy from fossil fuels, and people are using energy more efficiently. Coal-based energy, probably the most lavish source of CO2 for any form of energy generation, seems to be in decline.
China's economy has slowed down. China is the issue with global warming not us.







Post#5634 at 03-17-2016 03:26 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Classic-X'er View Post
China's economy has slowed down. China is the issue with global warming not us.
China is by far the biggest user of coal in energy generation.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#5635 at 03-17-2016 03:27 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
China is by far the biggest user of coal in energy generation.
They are also switching to solar at the fastest rate.
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Post#5636 at 03-17-2016 06:36 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
They are also switching to solar at the fastest rate.
They need to go solar if their air is to again be breathable.

A big chunk of air pollution in America is now "made in China".
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#5637 at 03-19-2016 11:23 AM by radind [at Alabama joined Sep 2009 #posts 1,595]
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A novel( crazy?) idea.


Bail out the oceans to stop sea level rise?


https://www.newscientist.com/article...16-GLOBAL-hoot


… “To stop rising seas from flooding coastlines, inundating cities and creating millions of refugees in countries like Bangladesh and Vietnam, scientists in Germany have looked into a novel solution: pump seawater up onto the Antarctic ice sheet, where it will freeze and turn into a salty mountain of snow and ice….
…Unlike other consequences of a warming planet, sea level rise is driven by simple but unforgiving physics: as the temperatures rise, ice melts and flows into the oceans and water expands….
…Sea level rise locked in
Each 1˚C rise in temperature above pre-industrial averages bakes in another 2 metres of sea level rise over the next two millennia. So that means no matter what we do, we’re committed to this rise as we’re already beyond 1˚C. …
… Such geoengineering is unlikely to ever happen. But there’s virtue in exploring deliberately provocative ideas like this, because it reminds us of what we’re up against. Earth is warming, and the seas are rising – fast. Millions of lives are at stake and the shape of the known world is being transformed. The question is, what are we going to do about it?







Post#5638 at 03-19-2016 11:50 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by radind View Post
A novel( crazy?) idea.
The problem with this is that this will have to be kept up continuously to keep up with the rate of melting, especially since, as we folks in cold climates know well, salt lowers the freezing point of water.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The problem with this is that this will have to be kept up continuously to keep up with the rate of melting, especially since, as we folks in cold climates know well, salt lowers the freezing point of water.
What an interesting idea! Does that mean that as seawater is pumped up onto Anarctica and freezes, and as freshwater rain falls into the oceans, the oceans would desalinate?

Cool.
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Post#5640 at 03-26-2016 12:56 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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After 115 Years, Scotland Is Coal-Free
BY ALEJANDRO DAVILA FRAGOSO MAR 24, 2016 4:08 PM
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...st-coal-plant/

After some 115 years, Scotland has burned its last lump of coal for electricity.

The Longannet power station, the last and largest coal-fired power plant in Scotland, ceased operations Thursday. What once was the largest coal plant in Europe shut down after 46 years before the eyes of workers and journalists, who gathered in the main control room.

“Ok, here we go,” said one worker moments before pressing a bright red button that stopped the coal-fired turbines that generated electricity for a quarter of Scottish homes.

Longannet’s closure comes as Scotland, a country of some 5 million people, aims to have enough renewable energy to power 100 percent of its electricity demand by 2020. And while Europe has lowered its investment in renewables recently, Scotland seems well on its way to meeting its green energy goals. Renewable electricity output has more than doubled since 2007 and is equivalent to half of the electricity consumed. This surge in renewables follows a massive investment in onshore and offshore wind, which has established Scotland as a renewable energy leader in the region. In fact, Scotland’s largest wind farm is also the largest in the United Kingdom. Whitelee Windfarm near Glasgow has a 539-megawatt capacity and generates enough electricity to power just under 300,000 homes.

The end of Longannet was long expected. Two years ago, Scottish Power, which owns Longannet, said regulations made the plant too costly to operate. According to the Guardian, the plant bowed to a mixture of old age, rising transmission costs and higher carbon taxes. The energy burden will now fall on the shoulders of nuclear and gas plants, as well as renewable energy, particularly wind farms.
“Coal has long been the dominant force in Scotland’s electricity generation fleet, but the closure of Longannet signals the end of an era,” Hugh Finlay, generation director at Scottish Power, told the Guardian. No decisions have been made on what will be done with the site, though several proposals are under discussion, including one that would make Longannet a center for renewable energy expertise. Scottish Power said they will outline a plan before the end of the year.

For their part, local environmentalists welcomed the end of Longannet, noting the station burned around 4.5 million metric tons of coal a year, and was responsible for a fifth of Scotland’s climate change emissions. “For a country which virtually invented the Industrial Revolution, this is a hugely significant step, marking the end of coal and the beginning of the end for fossil fuels in Scotland,” Richard Dixon, Director of Friends of the Earth Scotland, said in a statement. With the closure of Longannet, the only major fossil fuel plant in Scotland is a gas plant at Peterhead, in the northeast.

In the United States, the Sierra Club also praised the plant’s closure. “Scotland is done with coal,” Maura Cowley, director of the Sierra Club’s International Climate and Energy Campaign, said in a statement. “The U.S. is moving beyond coal with 232 plants announced for retirement, and just today China announced new measures to stop unnecessary new coal plants.”

Indeed, China’s National Energy Administration ordered 13 provincial governments to stop approving new coal-fired power plants until the end of 2017, according to published reports. Yet even approved coal-fired power plants aren’t safe there, as 15 provinces were told to stop building new plants. A Greenpeace analysis says this could affect up to 250 Chinese coal plants.

Coal may be under stress in much of the world, yet the role of fossil fuels is expected to remain strong for some time, according to multiple reports. That’s despite scientists saying global emissions need to substantially drop to avoid the most dramatic effects of climate change. Renewable energy is, however, expected to continue the surge it has been enjoying. In fact, a new United Nations-backed report found that coal and gas-fired electricity generation drew less than half the investment made in solar, wind, and other renewables in 2015.
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Watch Solar Power Bloom in China’s Desert
China leads the world in renewable power growth.

JUN 18, 2015
Emily J. Gertz is an associate editor for environment and wildlife at TakePart.
http://www.takepart.com/article/2015...s?cmpid=tp-san


These solar energy farms in China's Gobi Desert grew nearly threefold between 2012 and 2015. (Photos: Jesse Allen/NASA Earth Observatory)




Only three years separate these two images of solar panels in China’s Gansu province in the Gobi Desert. But it’s clear that the carbon-free power plant grew nearly threefold over that time.

According to information gathered by NASA Earth Observatory, the total installed solar power capacity in Gansu province hit 5.2 gigawatts last year, and the country is targeting an additional half gigawatt by the end of this year. Nationwide China’s installed solar capacity was just more than 28 gigawatts by the close of 2014—that’s three times the capacity installed in 2013.

Just halfway into 2015, that capacity has grown to 33 gigawatts.

China has expanded its renewable energy resources remarkably fast, with hydro-, wind, and solar power growing to nearly 10 percent of the nation’s energy mix between 2006 and 2013. China has also become the world’s largest producer of photovoltaic panels and wind turbines.

But China has continued to expand its coal-fired power capacity at the same time. In 2007 the country outpaced the United States to become the biggest greenhouse gas polluter on Earth: China burns around 4 billion tons of coal a year, more than four times the amount that the U.S. burns.

It’s important to put China's coal use into the population context: China, with a population of about 1.4 billion, emits between 10 and 11 million tons of carbon pollution a year, while the United States, with about one-quarter the population, is the No. 2 carbon polluter, emitting around 6.5 million tons a year, according to the World Resources Institute.

So, Why Should You Care? Because burning fossil fuels is the leading driver of global warming, energy decisions made by China and the United States have a major impact on the health and welfare of nearly every living thing on Earth. In November, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping announced ambitious plans to reduce their carbon pollution in the next 15 years.

Lately, China is slowing its coal power expansion, driven in part by terrible air pollution problems as well as the country’s growing sensitivity to its international standing in the fight to curb global warming. The government has pledged to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions after hitting a peak in 2030 and to double its carbon-free energy generation at the same time.
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Adorable Cat Builds Mini Igloo for Himself During Denver Blizzard



nice music too
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
True, but he is arguably the last President from the prior Progressive cycle. And Trump is not anything we've seen outside a fascist country.
Actually, we have seen presidents a lot like Trump before. Andrew Jackson comes to mind. Insults were traded in 1828 that make today's campaigns look weak. And Theodore Roosevelt was every bit as much of an outsider as Trump. Roosevelt was basically buried in the Vice Presidency until Leon Czogolz (the only presidential assassin we may owe a vote of thanks for) made Teddy relevant indeed.







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Andrew Jackson, maybe so. Teddy, not so much. He was governor of New York and a legislator before that, and also assistant secretary of the Navy, and port authority director I believe. And being vice president is not being an outsider.

Jackson was a military man and a war hero. Trump is just a real estate speculator, entrepreneur, TV star, author and con artist. Not the same background at all.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Big solar is heading for boom times in the US
Riding three strengths, overcoming one weakness.
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Hmmm.... OK.

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Big X rulez.


https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...tellurium-mine




Now that is what I call planning ahead. Tellurium is needed make solar panels. If ya got your own mine and get some silver/gold exposure that's even better!
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=FSLR...e+Sheet&annual

Eh, what the hell, just picked up 150 shares.
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The lawsuits may force the action.


Science and journalism revisit the attribution of extreme weather to climate change


http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip...E1PA8Z,EZHMD,1


Scientists report improved understanding: Attribution science now “brings climate change to our doorsteps.”


… "Cornwall at Science conjectured about “the possibility that attribution science could end up in the courtroom, as those harmed by climate-driven weather try to extract damage payments from those who produce greenhouse gases.” He reported that some countries, “such as small island nations threatened by sea-level rise, are already pressing for financial support from industrialized nations responsible for the bulk of greenhouse gas emissions. Those demands include compensation for extreme weather, too.” He proposed that architects, planners, and engineers “could be hit with lawsuits over whether they properly considered climate change when designing infrastructure such as flood-control levees.” He also cited “the possibility of pursuing weather-related damage claims against major carbon polluters, such as fossil fuel companies.””…







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This is a fascinating video.

Network Earth


http://www.scientificamerican.com/video/network-earth/
… "In a world filled with complex networks, can mathematical tools bring order and predictability to the chaos? Nature Video illustrates.”…
<iframe src='//players.brightcove.net/1399189305/55ae5614-dcad-43e6-9fe9-0da2d5c1cf0f_default/index.html?videoId=4821638140001' allowfullscreen frameborder=0></iframe>







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Indigenous peoples need respect to help stop climate change.

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Quote Originally Posted by radind View Post
The lawsuits may force the action.
It's a real stretch at this point, especially here in the US where reliable weather and climate records for the broader national area are at best ~ 100 years in length. Statistics 101.

In reality most of what has been proposed regarding impacts of AGW (and other things done by humans) on extreme weather has involved computer modeling. In terms of statistically defensible sensible weather experiences we have a lot more data to gather prior to being able to say yeah or nay.

BTW - there is a whole other school of Climatology that thinks AGW will calm the weather.
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
It's a real stretch at this point, especially here in the US where reliable weather and climate records for the broader national area are at best ~ 100 years in length. Statistics 101.

In reality most of what has been proposed regarding impacts of AGW (and other things done by humans) on extreme weather has involved computer modeling. In terms of statistically defensible sensible weather experiences we have a lot more data to gather prior to being able to say yeah or nay.

BTW - there is a whole other school of Climatology that thinks AGW will calm the weather.
There's little doubt that the Courts will weigh in.

Climate scientists have big new computers to develop their models.
Here's a couple of sites:

http://www.scientificcomputing.com/a...g-capabilities
https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm

The evidence is growing for the effects of AGW on severe weather. Many posts have been already made on this topic here on this thread.

https://www.climatecommunication.org...lobal-warming/

We need to be aware of this danger and be ready to act. We cannot act if Republicans rule our government.
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