According to Israeli and iran expatriot sites the iranians are preparing to instigate a third world war with nuclear strikes against western civilian targets. I've read newprophecy and according to them russia will ally and assist them. Also ahmadinejad is preparing to seize total control of iran, and that after 2008 russia would be lead by vladimir zhrinovsky as president and that zhironovskyites would rule russia at all levels after 2008. This is a result of secret planning by the KGB. Also according to newprophecy massive earthquakes would cause first the west coast then late almost the entirety of north america and much of south america to fall into the ocean. Finally according to newsmax and worldnetdaily russia is really a front for a soviet union which never collapsed and merely went underground to lull the west into a false sense of security.

According to the same sites if a world war between christianity and extremist islam begins, asian and latin american nations would side with the muslims.

According to several jewish sites I've visited There were very few muslims in palistine before 1948 and that the refugee camps were created for propaganda purposes. They also claim that israel has no desires for palestinian land.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

According to several jewish sites I've visited There were very few muslims in palistine before 1948 and that the refugee camps were created for propaganda purposes. They also claim that israel has no desires for palestinian land.

It would be helpful if you would link some of these sites. If for no other reason than the fact that everyone else could then be advised as to the reliability of their infomation should they ever be referenced by others in relationship to other things.

Also, to put it bluntly, you're beginning to sound like a 5 year old who insists on feeding his dinner to the purple monster that he insists is under his bed.

Iran does not want war. Why, well because war means confronting enemy forces and fighting them. What iran wants is for the west to unilaterally disarm and turn it's back. After which iran would ready its sword and stab the west in the back. The attack would likely target civilians and avoid military targets because the iranians deem westerners unworthy for iranians to fight on military terms. The iranians would 'fight' westerners by targetings cities with WMD and poisoning water supplies.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Are you sure of that? CH86's posts are so over the top that they scream "intentionally provocative".

That would assume that CH86 is interested in our responses; so far he hasn't shown too much interest in us unless we agree with him. He's beginning to remind me now of kathasung.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

According to several jewish sites I've visited There were very few muslims in palistine before 1948 and that the refugee camps were created for propaganda purposes. They also claim that israel has no desires for palestinian land.

You truly are a MORON if believe that crap. You are one very deranged person.

Originally Posted by catfishncod

That would assume that CH86 is interested in our responses; so far he hasn't shown too much interest in us unless we agree with him. He's beginning to remind me now of kathasung.

I KNOW WITH FIBER OF MY BEING that iran is preparing the extermination of the west and of any non western nation. Most likely the outpouring of support from the iranian people after 9/11 was staged to make it look like the iranian people are opposing extremism, much like how the soviets have managed to snooker billions including the russian people themselves into thinking that russia is now a peaceful nation, all the while millions of soviet troops, hundreds of thousands of tanks, and hundreds of thousands of nukes are slowly being marshalled in the deepest reaches of siberia.

There is a reason why muslim immigrate to countries all over the world. That is because Islam has a long range plan conquer the world and a major pillar of that plan is infiltration.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

I KNOW WITH FIBER OF MY BEING that iran is preparing the extermination of the west and of any non western nation. Most likely the outpouring of support from the iranian people after 9/11 was staged to make it look like the iranian people are opposing extremism, much like how the soviets have managed to snooker billions including the russian people themselves into thinking that russia is now a peaceful nation, all the while millions of soviet troops, hundreds of thousands of tanks, and hundreds of thousands of nukes are slowly being marshalled in the deepest reaches of siberia.

LOL!!! Someone get this guy into an institution before he goes on a killing spree.

Originally Posted by Odin

LOL!!! Someone get this guy into an institution before he goes on a killing spree.

You should read worldnetdaily, newsmax, and newprophecy. Those sites are very informative about the true strengths of america's enemies. Newprophecy also is informative about the true geologic status of the earth's earthquake zones.

According to Michael Mcclellan, Author of newprophecy, he said that people should read worldnetdaily, and newsmax, and other sites such as geo-strat instead of mainstream media because they are the only site broadcasting what actually is going on internationally.

Originally Posted by catfishncod

That would assume that CH86 is interested in our responses; so far he hasn't shown too much interest in us unless we agree with him. He's beginning to remind me now of kathasung.

I wouldn't have said it a month ago, but as I was scrolling through I thought the exact same thing.

CH86, link your sources, because I do not think that even those sites are as nuts as you make them out to be. Secondly, when you propose something, use some evidence to back it up.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

You should read worldnetdaily, newsmax, and newprophecy. Those sites are very informative about the true strengths of america's enemies. Newprophecy also is informative about the true geologic status of the earth's earthquake zones.

It's WorldNutDaily.

Here's the link to newprophecy:

www.newprophecy.net/secondhome.htm

www.newprophecy.net/russiaprophecy.htm

"On March 18, 1969, American B-52s began carpet-bombing eastern Cambodia. "Operation Breakfast" was the first course in a four-year bombing campaign that drew Cambodia headlong into the Vietnam War."

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/st...odia/tl02.html

http://www.zodiacarts.com/whatsup/SolarEclipse.shtm

Don't know if anything big will happen, but it is interesting.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

There is a reason why muslim immigrate to countries all over the world. That is because Islam has a long range plan conquer the world and a major pillar of that plan is infiltration.

-snicker-
It couldn't possibly be because most of the world's islamic population is born in sweltering, impoverished shitholes of countries? I mean, after having actually been on Kalimantan, I can absolutely see how even England might start to look appealing...

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

...much like how the soviets have managed to snooker billions including the russian people themselves into thinking that russia is now a peaceful nation, all the while millions of soviet troops, hundreds of thousands of tanks, and hundreds of thousands of nukes are slowly being marshalled in the deepest reaches of siberia.

Could you even find Siberia on a map?

What I really wonder is, how plausible can the claims that our new resident troll is tossing out in diluted form be made to sound in their full-context original form? I mean it's not like they could be even able to footnote to other sources or anything...

(and no, I have no real interest in actually reading through the fevered ravings of diseased minds; just wondering in general)

I find it increasingly obvious that muslims seem to enjoy butchering children and randomly murdering civilians. Their reaction to the cartoon debacle last year is evidence of that.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

According to Michael Mcclellan, Author of newprophecy, he said that people should read worldnetdaily, and newsmax, and other sites such as geo-strat instead of mainstream media because they are the only site broadcasting what actually is going on internationally.

According to me, people should read Huffington Post, Firedoglake, Raw Story, Kos, Down with Tyranny, ZPenergy, and other such sites instead of the MSM because they are the only sites that TELL THE TRUTH.

Example:
Open Letter from Brian O'Leary to Al Gore
Posted on Saturday, March 17, 2007 @ 16:02:32 PST

From newenergymovement.org (Dec 2006): Dear Mr. Gore,
I am a former astronaut, Cornell professor, physics faculty member at Princeton University and visiting faculty member in technology assessment at the University of California Berkeley School of Law, Mo Udall's energy advisor and speechwriter during his 1975 Presidential campaign, author, AAAS Fellow, World Innovation Foundation Fellow, NASA group achievement award recipient, and founder of the New Energy Movement.

You have asked the public to address the important question: "How can we reverse global climate change?" I agree that taking on that task is critical for our collective survival. You have also stated that we must freeze and drastically reduce our carbon emissions. I totally agree.

The most promising answer to your question is surprisingly simple and can be summed up in two words: new energy. My experience finds that serious discussion of new energy is still politically incorrect in mainstream circles, which is appalling. Delays in implementing life-saving innovation will be at our collective risk and peril. The urgency for action in these times is unprecedented in human history. Quantum leaps in energy innovation, which some of us in the scientific community are aware of, can provide the needed solution, hopefully in time to avert global disaster.

Having held professorships in the physical sciences and energy policy at many universities with an impeccable publication record for 45 years, I join you in not taking these matters lightly. I make no claims that cannot be rigorously backed up and I have no vested interest in which specific energy options should be implemented. I receive no money for the grassroots work I am doing in assessing these technologies. I can assure you that with proper public support, we will soon have robust solutions without needing many building blocks or wedges. Incremental approaches, as you correctly point out, will not be adequate to solve the problem. But you may not be fully aware of what's on the horizon, since we have been so blinded by our collective shortsightedness.

By "new energy" I mean innovative technologies with the potential of providing a quantum leap in our ability to tap cheap, clean and decentralized energy for producing fuels and electricity. These may or may not be recognized by mainstream science. The technologies include:

ADVANCED HYDROGEN TECHNOLOGIES (1) catalytic water molecule manipulation and dissociation through cheap electrolysis, and (2) manipulation of hydrogen plasmas with catalysts to induce fractional quantum electronic states that yield large energy outputs;

COLD FUSION or low energy nuclear reactions (LENR) by electrochemical means, induced in water and heavy water solutions catalyzed by (1) palladium cathodes, (2) sonocavitation and (3) other processes that can produce large amounts of thermal, radiation-free nuclear energy;

VACUUM ENERGY or zero-point energy, tapping the enormous quantum potential of every point in space-time, through the use of (1) super-motors with super-magnets (cf. Faraday), (2) solid state devices, (3) Tesla coils, and (4) charge clusters; and

THERMAL ENERGY from the environment.

Any one of the above approaches to new energy promises a quantum leap, i.e., orders of magnitude increase, in our ability to tap and have abundant clean, cheap, decentralized energy for all of humanity. In addition, there are many important transitional technologies which can mitigate emissions in the very near future, as follows:

RECYLING AND SEQUESTRATION OF CO2 AND OTHER POLLUTANTS AT THE SOURCE through innovative chemistry; and

REMEDIATION OF RADIOACTIVE NUCLEAR WASTE with innovative technologies.

All of the above concepts have already been demonstrated in laboratories throughout the world (I have seen many such demonstrations) and have been published in the peer-reviewed literature, but implementing them has proven difficult because there is no significant support.

As you undoubtedly already know, the environmental literature nowadays well expresses the energy problem and other aspects of our national crisis, but has so far fallen short on solutions. Some of the best scientists in the world (John Holdren, Nathan Lewis, Richard Heinberg, James Lovelock and Ruggero Santilli, for example) have concluded that conventional renewables such as solar, wind, hydroelectric, geothermal, tides, biofuels and hydrogen fuel cells are not nearly adequate to meet current, much less projected, energy demands. Each of these "building block" options runs into serious pitfalls environmentally and economically when we talk about supplanting our multi-trillion dollar hydrocarbon energy economy. Nuclear options also have their serious problems, as you undoubtedly know.

You hit on the situation in your recent NYU speech when you said, "I am certain that some of the most powerful solutions will lie beyond our current categories of building blocks or wedges". You said that America, and only America, has the "capacity for vision" but that "we have to urgently expand the limits of what is politically possible". Very well said, and part of any program to implement new energy will involve a very rapid but necessary political education and risk-taking that even the liberal and progressive community has ignored. I acknowledge, and I am sure you would agree, that the limits of what is politically possible need to stretch very far to accommodate the reality of new energy. But what is physically and economically possible is surprisingly close at hand.

You also said in your speech that our children "deserve better than the spectacle of censorship of the best scientific evidence about the truth of our situation and harassment of honest scientists who are trying to warn us about the looming catastrophe." There's also a second group of scientists involved in new energy research that has been suppressed even more and need to take their place in our quest for solutions.

New energy would shift the paradigm overnight. We will need public policies in place to:

Do the necessary R&D Apollo-style in secured laboratories, gathering teams of the best and brightest scientists and engineers in the field. Surprisingly, the cost of such an effort would only be on the order of $2 billion/year for 5-10 years, the annualized equivalent of one week of fighting in Iraq and three weeks of profits for ExxonMobil. We must leave no stone unturned in this quest because the range of technologies is already broad and far-reaching.
Provide public forums to debate and discuss how to implement the most viable new energy options to mitigate climate change and pollution; and provide education and demonstrations for the public. We need to plan conversion scenarios that can help industry and government make the necessary transition to a new energy economy. The defense and aerospace conversion policies I helped George McGovern, Fritz Mondale and Jesse Jackson draft during their campaigns were minor compared to what we must do here.
While being politically incorrect at the moment, the consideration of new energy needs to be at the forefront of future energy policy discussions. It is too late to deny this, and we certainly don't want the control of these technologies be in the wrong hands by default. In President Eisenhower's words, "Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together." New energy needs to be controlled by We the People and so a strong grassroots movement will be necessary.

I cannot stress too strongly that an aggressive program to develop new energy is what humanity will need to survive our perilous situation. It may be painful for us to address these issues and may seem a bit far-fetched at first, but I can assure you these technologies are very real and can be developed as public policy.

One final word: don't rely exclusively on those mainstream scientists, journalists and pundits who deny the reality of new energy. They are just as ignorant as those scientists who denied the practicality of aviation even after the Wright brothers were flying. But to expect the Wrights to immediately deliver a 737 would have been unrealistic.

In the conclusion of your speech, you said, "This is an opportunity for bipartisanship and transcendence, an opportunity to find our better selves and in rising to meet this challenge, create a better brighter future - a future worthy of the generations who come after us and who have a right to be able to depend on us." I couldn't agree more and we're on the same team.

The leadership of The New Energy Movement will be introducing draft legislation for an historic new energy bill to members of Congress in January 2007, titled "Energy Innovation Act of 2007". I and my colleagues look forward to providing you a personal briefing on the background and provisions of this key legislation in the very near future, and trust that you will embrace and support it.

Sincerely,

Brian O'Leary, Ph.D.
www.brianoleary.com
www.NewEnergyMovement.org
Author of Re-Inheriting the Earth

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

You should read worldnetdaily, newsmax, and newprophecy. Those sites are very informative about the true strengths of america's enemies. Newprophecy also is informative about the true geologic status of the earth's earthquake zones.

Originally Posted by Odin

LOL!!! Someone get this guy into an institution before he goes on a killing spree.

LOL, I SECOND that motion! Then again we don't know where CH '86 resides currently

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

I KNOW WITH FIBER OF MY BEING that iran is preparing the extermination of the west and of any non western nation. Most likely the outpouring of support from the iranian people after 9/11 was staged to make it look like the iranian people are opposing extremism, much like how the soviets have managed to snooker billions including the russian people themselves into thinking that russia is now a peaceful nation, all the while millions of soviet troops, hundreds of thousands of tanks, and hundreds of thousands of nukes are slowly being marshalled in the deepest reaches of siberia.

OMG, what kind of drugs are you on? or at least get the dosage lower if its a prescription!

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

I find it increasingly obvious that muslims seem to enjoy butchering children and randomly murdering civilians. Their reaction to the cartoon debacle last year is evidence of that.

Get a grip dude, your oblivious to your surroundings!

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

Originally Posted by catfishncod

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Are you sure of that? CH86's posts are so over the top that they scream "intentionally provocative".

That would assume that CH86 is interested in our responses; so far he hasn't shown too much interest in us unless we agree with him. He's beginning to remind me now of kathasung.

I KNOW WITH FIBER OF MY BEING that iran is preparing the extermination of the west and of any non western nation. Most likely the outpouring of support from the iranian people after 9/11 was staged to make it look like the iranian people are opposing extremism, much like how the soviets have managed to snooker billions including the russian people themselves into thinking that russia is now a peaceful nation, all the while millions of soviet troops, hundreds of thousands of tanks, and hundreds of thousands of nukes are slowly being marshalled in the deepest reaches of siberia.

I think I have my answer: Agent Provocateur. Now the only question is, '86 or '96? I'm going with the latter.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

According to several jewish sites I've visited There were very few muslims in palistine before 1948 and that the refugee camps were created for propaganda purposes. They also claim that israel has no desires for palestinian land.

It is true that during the period lasting from the middle ages until around 1800, the population of Palestine was very small -- only a quarter of a million souls, of whom 90 percent were Muslim. By 1948, the Arab population numbered well over a million, however.

Why was the Palestine population so low circa 1750, when it was a dense, heavily populated Roman province during the time of Jesus? Climate change. The Fertile Crescent was covered with abundant forests in antiquity. However, the forests were destroyed as the wood was used for building and fuel. With the forest gone, the landscape was tranformed into semi-desert scrub and desert, and the population moved elsewhere.

Modern techniques of irrigation and industry caused the population in Palestine to rebound in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries.