Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Granted, we have yet to see the best that an Idealist generation can do -- typically in elderhood. GIs can remember the principled, visionary, decisive leadership of elder Missionaries... as well, of course, as (in some cases of very old ones) the inept leadership that America knew during the 1920s, a decade with obvious parallels. The world got away with bad Idealist leadership throughout most of the 1920s, only to pay for it badly.

Agreed. I'd say Bill Clinton's biggest screw ups are just lying about smoking a J and having his peter blown. Otherwise, he was quite harmless and didn't make some huge mess for later on. I think if he just said yah, I did weed and had a bit of extra sex, that whole Monicagate thing would have just blown over in a short bit.

Bush, well my guess this may be the worst mistake the US made in the 3rd turning. I see nothing redeeming about anything thing he's done thus far. We're racking up debt to no end, we got ensnared in a Vietnam like quagmire (oh the irony), we have corporatism running amok and Teapot Dome style corruption with Halliburton. I think we will pay a big price for these policies down the line. I think what we should have done and even us Boom/Gen-X cuspers know this, would have been to take the "back to the garden" meme of the awakening and spend what we did spend screwing things up in the Mideast on getting ourselves off of fossil fuels. I see this fossil fuel addiction as the common thread in the following list of problems.
1. Global Warming
2. Getting stuck in Iraq and pissing folks off in the process. Terrorism doesn't happen in a vacuum. The only wild card is I'm not sure if terrorism would be completely fixed since I don't have a full grasp of the full list of grievances. The Iraq debacle also has the Tea Pot Dome parallel as well. Dishing out juicy contracts to your cronies. The to top it off, Bush doesn't even seem to give a flip for the soldiers. Everything from lack of equipment, no or defective body armor, and now the horrid care wounded vets get. The last item, I deem morally repugnant and inexcusable. If someone puts their life on the line for their country, then they deserve proper medical care if wounded either mentally or physically.
3. Importing all that oil is adding to our trade deficit. So we're bankrupting ourselves with that as well.

The Millennial generation shows much promise should it get appropriate direction, much as did GIs.

The operative word is of course "should". My guess is they're not total lemmings and may reject bad leadership at the poles. This has been mentioned before, but Gen -X seems to be still unplugged. I think part of this is due to the fact the Silents have kept things from going off the deep end. I know this may be amazing, but my younger sisters have yet to see a voting booth.

They look like the sorts who can redeem the world through their efforts if they get the chance.

But will they get the chance? The potential for apocalyptic destruction is far greater. There might be no world for them to inherit and improve.

I think the above is a justified concern. An example would be the use of "salted" nukes. That option even enters my mind as a plausible weapon set which (may) be used. I think if I were in a position to make a choice, at least I'd run it by real military folks before deployment. I think that sort of thinking is what may separate a cusper from a true Boomer. My guess is that fingering fossil fuel usage as a cause of a number of problems is the other. So I'd prefer millies to go off and get us off this fossil fuel mess. Even that would take a 4T mindset, but at least they won't be getting vaporized with the other option. So that would be the first option I'd choose as an agenda item. The salted bombs may be an option if some sort of attack occured.

I picked GIs over the Silent because the Silent, no matter how well they had things through most of their lives, have displayed some guilt. They messed up their kids' lives and ended up paying for it, unlike GIs.

Yup, I think they could have done better. I know. At school, it was the kids runnning the joint. For me, it made for a nice do whatever I wanted to environment, but there was a bit of payback I had to deal with and clean up after college.

I picked GIs over Millennials because GIs will be off the scene when the next Crisis Era -- quite possibly an apocalypse that makes the last one tame by contrast -- erupts. Over Boomers like myself? I have never fit into the worst tendencies of Boom pathology. I recognize the worst tendencies of an Idealist generation all too well and have so far gotten few rewards for bucking the bad trends.

I think the analogy fits poker. In a 4T, we're playing for big stakes, so making a mistake then can be a disaster. I think the future will be better served by a set of elder Boomers with more of the "back to the garden" meme than a Bush style "I'm never wrong mentality". As for us cuspers, we need to do likewise (yes I know what "back to the garden" is all about). I think we also need to tone down some the worst X'er we have as well. IN short, a "with age comes wisdom" would be a good thing.

Thirteeners? Arguably more messed-up than Boomers, on the whole. To be sure, we have seen the equivalents of Al Capone and not of Dwight Eisenhower.

I think that's because the next Eisenhower is currently in a uniform someplace in Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't think we'll see the next Truman (a cusper ) until the current institutions come crashing down and some sort of local triage is needed to make life bearable.

...Perhaps as a late adapter of technology (I use the computer heavily for such archaic purposes as research and communication; I have no cell phone, LCD/plasma/DLP television, or IPod, and I have yet to recognize the convenience of electronic pickpockets in banking) I don't appreciate technical modernity as some do. Maybe Millennials can find something in technology that I don't.

All I have for myself is autopay and 3 computers. My take on a lot of the other stuff is that they are all part of this mindless consumerism, (yet another 3rd turning mess. ). My employer has us using Blackberries. I of course don't like it, since I consider it an electronic leash.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Agreed. I'd say Bill Clinton's biggest screw ups are just lying about smoking a J and having his peter blown. Otherwise, he was quite harmless and didn't make some huge mess for later on. I think if he just said yah, I did weed and had a bit of extra sex, that whole Monicagate thing would have just blown over in a short bit.

I agree with this...but really, did you have to say "blown over" given the context?

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

The operative word is of course "should". My guess is they're not total lemmings and may reject bad leadership at the poles. This has been mentioned before, but Gen -X seems to be still unplugged. I think part of this is due to the fact the Silents have kept things from going off the deep end. I know this may be amazing, but my younger sisters have yet to see a voting booth.

Once the Silent are more truly absent from leadership, the core of the 4T will begin in earnest. Every turning begins when the post-elder generation fades away:

1Ts happen because the Prophets die off and can no longer push crusades and self-exploration. Hence soul-searching disappears and society becomes entirely outer-focused.

2Ts happen because the Nomads die off and can no longer put the brakes on progress. Hence the obstacle to revolution is gone and the elder Heroes now find themselves trying to advance their vision faster than the young Prophets can break it down.

3Ts happen because the Heroes die off and can no longer push civic responsibility. Hence apathy sweeps society and suddenly nobody gives a s*** anymore.

4Ts happen because the Artists die off and can no longer keep things running diplomatically. Hence the dam just breaks and everybody scrambles to survive.

I'm thinking the Regeneracy will be delayed for a few years as long as the Silent stick around. The Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader, and 5 of the 9 Supreme Court justices, are all Silent. Hell, by my count, six Silent (McCain, Tommy Thompson, Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, Gravel, Biden) are running for President in 2008. While none of them will win, it is notable.

But Justice Stevens (a G.I.!) isn't going to live forever (indeed, he says he'll retire if a Democrat is elected in 2008), and neither is Ginsburg. And as far as Congress, the Silent went in one election cycle from 104 seats to 86. That's a big drop, and it will continue through 2008 and 2010. It's entirely possible that after the 2008 election there will be more Xers in Congress than Silent, and then we're in REAL trouble.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I think that's because the next Eisenhower is currently in a uniform someplace in Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't think we'll see the next Truman (a cusper ) until the current institutions come crashing down and some sort of local triage is needed to make life bearable.

Eisenhower was a mid-waver Lost I think, born in 1890. Grant on the other hand was at the very front end of the Gilded, born in 1822. Washington, like Eisenhower, was a core Liberty-er (?) born in 1732. So the next General Hero could be 45 already, or barely 30. We just don't know.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

As per the above, I sort of could. As a "pure cusper", I selected Gen -X based on how things went for my younger Atari wave sisters. They don't have some of the Boomer baggage which goes with being a cusper. I've seen some of my cohorts go off the deep end on some crusade which would match any "real" Boomer.

Ya, I sorta feel bad for cuspers. I certainly enjoyed the freedoms.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Perhaps not if you add in cuspers. I rather enjoyed wearing whatever I wanted to to school, getting smashed , and anything else my heart desired. I think our youth was probably the only time in the saeculum where there were no rules at all. It was nice even in college. We got in and out before the PC crap started and costs started going nuts. I have very fond memories of college. That's when we'd go to class, do homework, play Atari games like Pac-Man/Space Invaders, etc. in the student lounge, and get totally blasted on weekends. Getting blasted was no big deal, nobody cared and there wasn't any punishment. The drinking age was 18 at that time as well.

The drinking age was 19 for me. However, I was legal to drink at 18 in bordering states. Me first legal brewsky was bought in a bar in South Dakota on a pheasant hunting trip in 1985. However, I was often found at a local bar during happy hour during highschool. I had a work pass to get out of school at 11:00. Happy hour started at 11:30 and ended at 1:30. You see, I had facial hair which meant I was old enough to drink. Plus, I was suppose to be in school which meant I was old enough to drink as well.

Originally Posted by 1990

You're just a whore for Susan B. Anthony, right?

No, but I love John Wesley Hardin(g)

Originally Posted by 1990

I agree with this...but really, did you have to say "blown over" given the context?

I think it's because "blow" is a common word in my lexicon. There's blow off, blow up, blow down, blow away, com to blows, etc.

Once the Silent are more truly absent from leadership, the core of the 4T will begin in earnest. Every turning begins when the post-elder generation fades away: ... <snip>

I think in this case, the Silent have in a way redeemed themselves a bit. If they can derail Bush for a couple years, I'll be content. I think if they do that, I can give them a pass even if though they presided over just handing control to schools to the kids in the late 1960's on through the 1970's. I think their final act will be to know when to get out of the way and let the 3 other generations get the needed work done when the 4T requires it.If they do that, I think they'll get some good marks in future history.

I'm thinking the Regeneracy will be delayed for a few years as long as the Silent stick around. The Speaker of the House, Senate Majority Leader, and 5 of the 9 Supreme Court justices, are all Silent. Hell, by my count, six Silent (McCain, Tommy Thompson, Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, Gravel, Biden) are running for President in 2008. While none of them will win, it is notable.

I think this dovetails with what I wrote above. I don't think now is the time for a Silent president We're either on the cusp of a 4T or already there. Of course the other Generations need to get with the program as well. I would think Red and Blue Boomers could come to a consesus that we should stop being earth's pillagers and become earth's stewards instead. Of course the steward meme is the one I selected from the awakening. So, ya, as a cusper, the vision I have for Millies is that y'all get us off this fossil fuel use and either use nuclear power or biofuels.
Of course I do live by that meme, so there's not really any hypocracy there. That's probalby more of along the lines of cusperdom. Empty rhetoric is a turn off for me just as much as any "real" X'er, but the vision is grand, just like any "real" Boomer. The thing to note is how much my vision is just so different than Bush's. So there you have it.

But Justice Stevens (a G.I.!) isn't going to live forever (indeed, he says he'll retire if a Democrat is elected in 2008), and neither is Ginsburg. And as far as Congress, the Silent went in one election cycle from 104 seats to 86. That's a big drop, and it will continue through 2008 and 2010. It's entirely possible that after the 2008 election there will be more Xers in Congress than Silent, and then we're in REAL trouble.

Ummm... why ? What is the Millie impression of Gen-X ? Or for that matter us cuspers ? I ask the cusp question since the rest of Gen X thus far has indicated "we're not part of them", or we're different to some degree.

Eisenhower was a mid-waver Lost I think, born in 1890. Grant on the other hand was at the very front end of the Gilded, born in 1822. Washington, like Eisenhower, was a core Liberty-er (?) born in 1732. So the next General Hero could be 45 already, or barely 30. We just don't know.

True enough. At present, the current war is a classic 3rd turning war
I'm also a bit miffed that it started under what I consider false pretenses.
The other problem of course is folks being cannon fodder for nothing.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I think this dovetails with what I wrote above. I don't think now is the time for a Silent president We're either on the cusp of a 4T or already there. Of course the other Generations need to get with the program as well. I would think Red and Blue Boomers could come to a consesus that we should stop being earth's pillagers and become earth's stewards instead. Of course the steward meme is the one I selected from the awakening. So, ya, as a cusper, the vision I have for Millies is that y'all get us off this fossil fuel use and either use nuclear power or biofuels.
Of course I do live by that meme, so there's not really any hypocracy there. That's probalby more of along the lines of cusperdom. Empty rhetoric is a turn off for me just as much as any "real" X'er, but the vision is grand, just like any "real" Boomer. The thing to note is how much my vision is just so different than Bush's. So there you have it.

I agree with all of this. Environmental issues will be big and I hope we take action before the problem gets thoroughly unmanageable.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Ummm... why ? What is the Millie impression of Gen-X ? Or for that matter us cuspers ? I ask the cusp question since the rest of Gen X thus far has indicated "we're not part of them", or we're different to some degree.

Well, I was being partially tongue-in-cheek, partially serious. I don't see Xers adjusting to their new role yet. They seem the most hesitant of all the generations today to accept that a rough road is ahead. Many of them that I meet seem to talk like we just need some key reforms, without giving up too much comfort. I guess, understandably, some of them just seem to have their heads stuck circa 1992, when the Cold War was over and everyone was pretty damned self-indulgent.

For example, I met a 36-year-old woman on Friday who I was talking to about the state of the world. I briefly mentioned the idea that a crisis (in the layman's use of the term) is coming and the worst has yet to begin.

She said: "Yeah, well, that's what I thought when I was your age".

I said: "Okay, but we had people running the country then who wanted to avoid WWIII at all costs; now we don't."

She said: "Well Bush doesn't, but the other leaders do."

I said: "They think they do, but since they have no memory of a real war how would they have the experience of preventing a crisis? And maybe it won't even be a war, but I would say we are still headed for the toughest times since the Depression."

She said: "Well, I lived through a lot of the Cold War, and we were always worried about WWIII. Things have really calmed down since. Once Bush is out things will get better."

This is what I mean. A lot of Xers seem to think that our troubles will disappear once we have better leadership. Now I can bash Bush as well as the next person, but the 4T is coming either way. I don't think many Xers have adjusted yet to their "git 'er done, down-to-earth pragmatists" role. A lot of them seem stuck in the past, which I suppose is normal when first entering midlife, but it doesn't help in the case of a looming 4T.

Originally Posted by K-I-A 67

Ya, I sorta feel bad for cuspers. I certainly enjoyed the freedoms.

Thanks. I think as we age, we'll finally learn how to handle those strange oscillations between prophet and nomad. Obviously, it isn't easy or we'd have learned how to do it some time ago.

The drinking age was 19 for me. However, I was legal to drink at 18 in bordering states. Me first legal brewsky was bought in a bar in South Dakota on a pheasant hunting trip in 1985.

Strange, I remember my first legal purchase. My 18th birthday fell on a Saturday. I also worked, (at the local newpaper ). Saturdays were when we worked late to get the Sunday paper out. I bought a 6 pack at a 7/11 that night. (Getting smashed at work was also part of the coming of age experience, along with smoking weed at the drive in if there was a decent movie. )

However, I was often found at a local bar during happy hour during highschool. I had a work pass to get out of school at 11:00. Happy hour started at 11:30 and ended at 1:30. You see, I had facial hair which meant I was old enough to drink. Plus, I was suppose to be in school which meant I was old enough to drink as well.

Yup. Same here pretty much. I actually got high school credit for what was at that time called "work study". My pass started at 2:00 my Jr year and 1:00 my Sr. year. At that time, I looked older than my age, and was able to snag beer without much issue. The strange thing is how in the 3rd turning, everything switched. I got carded at the casinos until recently. I think I have enough gray hair now that it's obvious I'm over 21. It's not bad, just a few flecks of gray and I don't see myself dying it. I'll just let it gray out as time goes on.

Originally Posted by 1990

I agree with this...but really, did you have to say "blown over" given the context?

Once the Silent are more truly absent from leadership, the core of the 4T will begin in earnest. Every turning begins when the post-elder generation fades away:

1Ts happen because the Prophets die off and can no longer push crusades and self-exploration. Hence soul-searching disappears and society becomes entirely outer-focused.

2Ts happen because the Nomads die off and can no longer put the brakes on progress. Hence the obstacle to revolution is gone and the elder Heroes now find themselves trying to advance their vision faster than the young Prophets can break it down.

3Ts happen because the Heroes die off and can no longer push civic responsibility. Hence apathy sweeps society and suddenly nobody gives a s*** anymore.

4Ts happen because the Artists die off and can no longer keep things running diplomatically. Hence the dam just breaks and everybody scrambles to survive.

Careful. The younger generation plays an equally important role in the move toward 2T and 4T.

Originally Posted by 1990

I agree with all of this. Environmental issues will be big and I hope we take action before the problem gets thoroughly unmanageable.

Obviously, anything beyond incremental change will have to wait until the
4T arrives in force. OTOH, I think this meme can get some consesus amonst red and blue.

Well, I was being partially tongue-in-cheek, partially serious. I don't see Xers adjusting to their new role yet. They seem the most hesitant of all the generations today to accept that a rough road is ahead. Many of them that I meet seem to talk like we just need some key reforms, without giving up too much comfort. I guess, understandably, some of them just seem to have their heads stuck circa 1992, when the Cold War was over and everyone was pretty damned self-indulgent.

Well, more Millie frustrations about their next elders being such slackers.

Honestly, though. As mentioned before. my younger sisters don't bother to vote, which I find a bit strange. In college I had to wait an hour in line to vote. I don't have the numbers, but I think a good slacker meter would be to line up the number of X'ers in office vs. the number of Lost in office in 1928, thereabouts.

<snip> conversation
This is what I mean. A lot of Xers seem to think that our troubles will disappear once we have better leadership. Now I can bash Bush as well as the next person, but the 4T is coming either way. I don't think many Xers have adjusted yet to their "git 'er done, down-to-earth pragmatists" role. A lot of them seem stuck in the past, which I suppose is normal when first entering midlife, but it doesn't help in the case of a looming 4T.

Yep. S&H have the same trepidation... X'ers just blowing things off. I think it was Mr. Reed was the other Millie that showed some miffdom about this very same thing. (Though he said Xer's would get drug in yelling and screaming if need be by others...) My guess is that a pack of Millies will find some way of doing this ...

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Honestly, though. As mentioned before. my younger sisters don't bother to vote, which I find a bit strange. In college I had to wait an hour in line to vote. I don't have the numbers, but I think a good slacker meter would be to line up the number of X'ers in office vs. the number of Lost in office in 1928, thereabouts.

1928 is a good year to compare to, since the median Lost cohorts were 36 then, and the median Xer cohorts today are turning 36.

According to S&H's website, the Lost had 17% of the national leadership after the 1926 election, and 23% after 1928. The Xers are way behind at this point, holding just 7% after the 2004 election and (we don't know how much) after the 2006 election. By my count the Xers gained 12 seats in the U.S. House, so their national leadership might be as high as 8% or even 9%, but that's still pathetically low since the Lost were almost at 1/4 of the nation's leaders at median age 36.

Now I know life expectancies are different and people don't usually run for office until their 40s these days, but still this is alarming. Are the Xers chronically apathetic? And if so, how will they ever play their crucial role in the 4T?

Okay, I've done some math. After the 2006 elections, the national leadership was:

2% G.I.
23% Silent
66% Boomer
9% X

After the 1926 elections, the share was:

10% Progressive
76% Missionary (geez)
13% Lost

So yes, Xers are lagging behind the Lost, but Boomers are also behind the Missionaries thanks to the Silent sticking around longer than the Progressives did.

Originally Posted by 1990

1928 is a good year to compare to, since the median Lost cohorts were 36 then, and the median Xer cohorts today are turning 36.

Thanks. I tried to come up with a year using xcalc at work by counting off from Lost first/last cohort and same for X. Have a look at

this . Hopefully, it will play nice with your browser. There should be an
arrow on the right. On about 7 clicks on the arrows, there's a picture of the 2000 census. The number of 35-44 year olds sticks out like a sore thumb on
that thing. Of note , the number of 5 to 19 year olds sticks out as well.
That's the the "echo boom" or we can just go by the term here, first wave Millies.

According to S&H's website, the Lost had 17% of the national leadership after the 1926 election, and 23% after 1928. The Xers are way behind at this point, holding just 7% after the 2004 election and (we don't know how much) after the 2006 election. By my count the Xers gained 12 seats in the U.S. House, so their national leadership might be as high as 8% or even 9%, but that's still pathetically low since the Lost were almost at 1/4 of the nation's leaders at median age 36.

I think a lot of folks who read the book know this current trend of X'ers presently carrying the young adult opt out from young adulthood to midlife is a problem, but I rather doubt the US in general knows this may lead to a big problem later. If I recall Al Gore passes the book out to folks in Congress. I don't know, perhaps bribing may work. I know this may be hare brained, but perhaps handing out free lotto tickets at the polls might work. I'm guessing Congress *should* know this is a problem and do something. The problem of screwed up childhood seems to have been fixed based on what I see in Millies Like a fews days ago a Millie was fixing to cross my driveway on trash day. The wind blew my trashcan into my driveway. I just waited (as usual for pedestrians to cross first). To my suprise, he moved the trash can out of the way, then moved on. I just gave him a thumbs up and then proceeded to get my car into the garage. I know MTV has tried with rock the vote and I've seen a few other things here and there, but obviously something needs fixing here.

Now I know life expectancies are different and people don't usually run for office until their 40s these days, but still this is alarming. Are the Xers chronically apathetic? And if so, how will they ever play their crucial role in the 4T?

Well, going by your send post, I think the percentage can be a bit lower, given Silent and even GI's still there. With that, the fix doesn't look so daunting. I think we can say the X'er percentage should be maybe 15%,
still a big gap, but not as bad as 17%. The next thing would be to get something going in public policy to mitigate this. If I'm reading you right, this state of affairs seems to be just as important (to Millies) as the aforementioned early 1980's work to fix up childhood. I think a good place to start would be to see why cuspers seem to (I think) be plugged in, but why those younger, aren't. It may be age or it may be something else. I just don't know. The "We just need better leaders" is of course a circular statement. Obviously, you have to vote first to get "better leaders", first. The other problem is more difficult. That problem is getting X'ers to actually run for office

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

I think a good place to start would be to see why cuspers seem to (I think) be plugged in, but why those younger, aren't. It may be age or it may be something else. I just don't know. The "We just need better leaders" is of course a circular statement. Obviously, you have to vote first to get "better leaders", first. The other problem is more difficult. That problem is getting X'ers to actually run for office

I remember reading that the 1961 cohort (i.e. 36-year-olds) are the least likely eligible cohort to vote, and also the cohort most likely to vote Republican. These two facts are highly correlated: the modern Republican Party is built on 40 years of propaganda that government is evil. Small wonder that few of that cohort are interested in running for office. And more importantly, this may indicate that those cohorts' civic participation will remain permanently suppressed, with all the dire implications for overcoming the Crisis.

Originally Posted by Finch

I remember reading that the 1961 cohort (i.e. 36-year-olds) are the least likely eligible cohort to vote, and also the cohort most likely to vote Republican. These two facts are highly correlated: the modern Republican Party is built on 40 years of propaganda that government is evil. Small wonder that few of that cohort are interested in running for office. And more importantly, this may indicate that those cohorts' civic participation will remain permanently suppressed, with all the dire implications for overcoming the Crisis.

Though Obama is a '61, FWIW. And we're turning 46 this year.

Originally Posted by Finch

I remember reading that the 1961 cohort (i.e. 36-year-olds) are the least likely eligible cohort to vote, and also the cohort most likely to vote Republican.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Though Obama is a '61, FWIW. And we're turning 46 this year.

Dohp, spank me. I was right with the 36-year-olds, but wrong with the cohort. It's the 1971 cohort, not 1961. I was reminded of it by the reference to the Lost 36-year-old cohort above, but my math skills took a vacation for a bit.

So, no, I'm not taking about Obama and cuspers/Jonesers, I'm talking about core Xers.

The Boom, I want to experience a 2T as a young adult. I will be a elder by the time the next 2T comes around.

Originally Posted by Finch

Dohp, spank me. I was right with the 36-year-olds, but wrong with the cohort. It's the 1971 cohort, not 1961. I was reminded of it by the reference to the Lost 36-year-old cohort above, but my math skills took a vacation for a bit.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was dazed and confused for a bit. It just didn't jive with the long lines at the voting areas during college. I checked the lifecourse spreadsheet and 1962 has 10 congressional members, (the most for X. ) IIRC 1961 has the most in the Senate. It reduced the fear factor a bit as well. The first 5 years (approx.) of X is a huge cohort group on the 2000 census data. So if there's any ray of hope, it's not the cuspers that are unplugged.

So, no, I'm not taking about Obama and cuspers/Jonesers, I'm talking about core Xers.

Again. Whew.

Originally Posted by Tristan

The Boom, I want to experience a 2T as a young adult. I will be a elder by the time the next 2T comes around.

I guess I'm lucky then, sort of. More than likely I'll get to experience a 2T as a post elder. If it comes in 2050, I'll be 88. It will be the same as how a lot of my Lost elders went through life. A lot of them saw 2 2T's. One as kids and a second one as post elders.

Originally Posted by 1990

Simple poll. If you could be any other generation, which would it be and, of course, why?

You MAY NOT pick your own generation.

From your list, I picked GI.

I picked Missionaries b/c I wanna live in La Belle Epoque.

Originally Posted by sean '90

I picked Missionaries b/c I wanna live in La Belle Epoque.

As a worker, right?

Originally Posted by MichaelEaston

As a worker, right?

As a member of the middle class, which I am in my 'meat' persona. You know, in real life.

Originally Posted by sean '90

As a member of the middle class, which I am in my 'meat' persona. You know, in real life.

Why would you expect to be middle class? The odds are slim at best.

Ya, you can't just pick and choose. Spin the dial!

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Why would you expect to be middle class? The odds are slim at best.

B/c there was a strong middle class during La Belle Epoque. Those who say otherwise have simply been snookered by evil Soviet propaganda.