Originally Posted by millennialX

That's a good and hopefully bloodless way of looking at this. Do you see any reform in the educational system or will that be saved for the next 2T?

With so many Millenials deeply in debt due to student loans, I can imagine that that matter will be dealt with this 4T.

Originally Posted by TimWalker

With so many Millenials deeply in debt due to student loans, I can imagine that that matter will be dealt with this 4T.

I'm looking forward to it. I'm thinking that that is one issue that will get college students active in what's going on here. To be honest, some type of reform would involve me too.

Youth that I have worked with are itching to do something, but have been volunteering on international initiatives...Amy (ASB65) brought this up before, that she believes current issues on the table like SS and medicare are hard for young folks to engage in, since it's so far away. Irony is what happens now, will most likely affect them more then the elderly now.

Originally Posted by millennialX

I'm looking forward to it. I'm thinking that that is one issue that will get college students active in what's going on here. To be honest, some type of reform would involve me too.

Youth that I have worked with are itching to do something, but have been volunteering on international initiatives...Amy (ASB65) brought this up before, that she believes current issues on the table like SS and medicare are hard for young folks to engage in, since it's so far away. Irony is what happens now, will most likely affect them more then the elderly now.

Exactly. What most don't understand is how what happens to one group has an affect on us all. Connecting the dots between the crisis for the elderly, disabled or other groups that are being targeted, and how that will affect their lives, is crucial for them to understand.

Glorious Revolution

Originally Posted by TimWalker

Glorious Revolution

That was my pick. It's interesting that the the version of the US that existed then was also having several battles with their neighbors (Native Americans).

I picked the civil war, without the killing, because we're going to come out of it exhausted, deeply in debt, and totally in thrall to corporations. If only some new robber barons could figure out a way to make billions out of high-speed rail, we might get something worthwhile out of it. . .sigh.

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

If only some new robber barons could figure out a way to make billions out of high-speed rail, we might get something worthwhile out of it. . .sigh.

Yea..it seems like that's the only way...

I didn't answer the poll, because I don't know enough about some of the earlier Crises. However, I wonder if the US will come out of this current crisis like Britain came out of the Great Powers Crisis -- intact, but spent as a superpower. The answer could be Depression/WW II Crisis, but not how the US experienced it!

The above link indicated that one result of the Glorious Revolution was a certain tolerance of nonconformist Protestants.Quoting Millenial Makeover:"Concern with social issues involving matters of personal lifestyle, morality, and religious belief emerges with greater force in the eras ushered in by idealist realignments and recedes from the political scene in eras that begin with civic realignments."So perhaps this 4T will experience an exception to the rise of social conservatism, a new tolerance for a certain group.

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

I picked the civil war, without the killing, because we're going to come out of it exhausted, deeply in debt, and totally in thrall to corporations. If only some new robber barons could figure out a way to make billions out of high-speed rail, we might get something worthwhile out of it. . .sigh.

Originally Posted by millennialX

Yea..it seems like that's the only way...

[sarcasm]Where are the nineteenth century style robber barons when you need them?[sarcasm]

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

I didn't answer the poll, because I don't know enough about some of the earlier Crises. However, I wonder if the US will come out of this current crisis like Britain came out of the Great Powers Crisis -- intact, but spent as a superpower. The answer could be Depression/WW II Crisis, but not how the US experienced it!

My guess is that the U.S. will be one of multiple superpowers. The days of the American hegemony are likely over.

That said, I would not be surprised if we ended up like Britain.

There are certain parallels between the present and the Land Reform and Constitutional Crisis. Certainly today's 4T will have an economic component. New Deal II?

The long political cycle and the saeculum.

Originally Posted by Wes84

My guess is that the U.S. will be one of multiple superpowers. The days of the American hegemony are likely over.

That said, I would not be surprised if we ended up like Britain.

I think the age of superpowers is over. Military power, particularly in numbers of men--which do count--has undergone a huge decline worldwide. The only heavily militarized nations left in the world are Israel, Syria (!!), the two Koreas, and one or two others in the Middle East. Our military as a share of our population is only a little bigger than it was in 1940. We are entering an age of anarchy.

I didn't vote because there was no "none of the above" option.

It's not like the Wars of the Roses because we don't have a monarchy, and therefore the questions of the succession and the limits on monarchical power don't arise.

It's not like the Armada Crisis because we're not a rising power facing a challenge from the conservative superpower of the time that wants to hold us down.

It's not like the Glorious Revolution because we aren't a precarious wilderness settlement beset with threats to survival both internal and external.

It's not like the American Revolution because we aren't a collection of autonomous states with a need to form a union.

It's not like the Civil War because we aren't a young nation faced with the challenges of industrialization and divided over a glaring moral evil.

It's not like the Great Depression/World War II because we face a more complicated economic problem and no significant likelihood of a major war.

Superficially, it bears the closest resemblance to the most recent Crisis, but the differences are so significant that that doesn't provide a good guide. We are, as always, charting new territory, and we will not end up anywhere we have ever been before.

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

... Superficially, it bears the closest resemblance to the most recent Crisis, but the differences are so significant that that doesn't provide a good guide. We are, as always, charting new territory, and we will not end up anywhere we have ever been before.

Both parts of this statement are bang-on. We have to reign-in the greed heads yet one more time, but the end result might very well be failure ... or pehaps a newer, better paradigm. I guess we'll see.

Originally Posted by Wes84

[sarcasm]Where are the nineteenth century style robber barons when you need them?[sarcasm]

They are working on Wall Street and own Walmart.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/08/18/us.high.speed.rail/index.html

Here is an article on high speed trains in the states. They just finished a high speed train here in Hainan and allows me to get some extra work in different cities. It goes up to about 250 km/hr. It's so much better than taking a bus around the island. Some of you may remember last October I got stuck in a outside of Haikou because a flooding. I think I would have been able to get back home if that train had been finished. The station is actually right by my school. I love how convenient it makes my life here. I don't know how well it would translate in the states though.
It is probably more of an option to avoid flying (which is good) than driving though.

Originally Posted by pizal81

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/08/18/us.high.speed.rail/index.html

Here is an article on high speed trains in the states. They just finished a high speed train here in Hainan and allows me to get some extra work in different cities. It goes up to about 250 km/hr. It's so much better than taking a bus around the island. Some of you may remember last October I got stuck in a outside of Haikou because a flooding. I think I would have been able to get back home if that train had been finished. The station is actually right by my school. I love how convenient it makes my life here. I don't know how well it would translate in the states though.
It is probably more of an option to avoid flying (which is good) than driving though.

I have been toying for years with designing a North American HSR network. (I can never seem to get it right.) One of these days . . .