Alright, back to sex a minute (since that is the thread I think. I dunno, It is late and I am bouncing around here like Xer and a few other of us late night zombie posters...:razz

We talked about the difference in Boomer and Xer approaches to sex. If the Boomers (Idealists) did the free love thing, and the
Xers (reactives) are too diverse in opinion to put in one group, what about civics. I am not going to talk about Millies here, but the GIs a minute. My grandma was early wave GI and my dad used to say he thought his dad only got lucky a few times - hence he and his siblings - and that's it. But the GI gen was resonsible for the Baby Boom in the first place. So if the Idealists are a little idealistic and the reactives are diverse, what does that make the civics in theory? It's the only group defined more by how they work in groups - yet sex is a very personal matter ( I am not talking about orgies so get your head out of the gutter).
Idealists talk the hell out of everything, Reactives go their own way, How do group oriented generations communicate the social norms to each other, in this case, the social norm of a generational view of sex?

alright, off to bed. To sleep! :lol:

Study: Men Afraid of Commitment

By Atiya Hussain
Reuters

NEW YORK - It's official. Men really are afraid of commitment.

Confirming what women have long known, an American study released on Wednesday shows men are dragging their feet on getting married.

Researchers say one of the biggest reasons that men are delaying marriage is that more and more couples are choosing to live together before marriage. As a result, sex -- traditionally one of the main reasons for men to marry -- is relatively easily available, they say.

"In a sense, with cohabitation he gets a quasi-wife without having to commit," said David Popenoe, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University in New Jersey.

"Another big thing in addition to cohabitation is that these men are very, very concerned about divorce. It's not getting your heart broken ... the worst thing that could happen is that somebody could take their money," Popenoe adds.

The preliminary findings reports on the attitudes toward marriage of 60 unmarried, heterosexual men, between the ages of 25-33. The participants, from different religious, ethnic and family backgrounds, were from four major metropolitan areas in northern New Jersey, Chicago, Houston, and Washington, D.C.

Researchers say both men and women are putting off getting married. The average age for men's first marriage is now 27, the oldest in history, the study shows. That compares to the average age of 23 in 1960, Popenoe said.

For women, the average age of their first marriage has risen to 25, a full five years older than the 1960 average.

And giving women even more reason to be impatient that their boyfriends are dragging their feet, researchers say the trend favors the men.

"Guys can afford to wait to marry. The older they get, the better their chances in some ways of getting married, while for women it's the reverse," Popenoe said.

"Once a woman gets into her 30s, it's more likely that she will have to marry a man who was married earlier. It's more likely that she will marry a man who brings kids (into the marriage) and more likely that she will have a child by herself," Popenoe says.

Here's a little ditty I wrote called "Domestic Arrest"

"She preys upon my frailty
Takes away my friends
Takes away my family
I got a permanenet place
In her passenger seat
Busy my nights at home
watching films and TV"

Commitment = Coma.
Or in the words of Kim Deal, for you ladies
"Motherhood means mental freeze."

On 2002-06-28 08:47, Smirker wrote:
Study: Men Afraid of Commitment

I read part of this at Rutgers (?) and it would seem that men are still committed. It is that they are more attached to their several wallets; not that there is anything wrong with that in our commercial Republic.

On 2002-06-28 12:40, Chet wrote:
Here's a little ditty I wrote called "Domestic Arrest"

"She preys upon my frailty
Takes away my friends
Takes away my family
I got a permanenet place
In her passenger seat
Busy my nights at home
watching films and TV"

Commitment = Coma.
Or in the words of Kim Deal, for you ladies
"Motherhood means mental freeze."

:lol:
Ok here's another,

'You can mess with my car,
You can mess with my wife,
but if you mess with my money,
you mess with your life'

Seriously, yeah. We have seen a lot of divorces and are not in a hurry to settle down. There was some article a while back about people having what amounted to trial marriages (because of all the early divorce) and it being some kind of explosion amoung 25 to 30 year olds. Scary stuff if it is true, though I don't think it is as bad as they made it out to be. It never is.


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On 2002-06-27 22:52, Earthshine wrote:
My grandma was early wave GI and my dad used to say he thought his dad only got lucky a few times - hence he and his siblings - and that's it.

That may be one of the commonest pieces of wishful thinking (on the part of offspring) about parents in the human race.

On 2002-06-27 16:07, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:
While I'd agree, Kiff, that "JT" and its follow-ups hits "Nights on Broadway" and "Fanny (Be Tender With My Love)" definitely set the stage for "Stayin' Alive", "Night Fever" and "How Deep Is Your Love" respectively, I'd actually put the genesis of disco back still further. Examples: Van McCoy's Spring 1975 hit "The Hustle" is widely regarded as the first bonafide disco song to hit #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 (the namesake dance it inspired was still being widely perfomed at disco's peak, 4 years later).

You're right. "The Hustle" did come out earlier. :smile: I remember doing it on the dance floor, along with the "bump" and the "bus stop."

Going back even further, the first disco-style 12-inch vinyl record was Gloria Gaynor's upbeat, danceable 1974 remake of "Never Can Say Goodbye".

That was in '74? Hmmmm....Okay. :smile:

Earlier still: in 1973, Gilbert O'Sullivan (of "Alone Again (Naturally)" fame) had a quirky summer hit called "Get Down" which featured a driving, steady, very disco-like beat that was quite unusual for pop radio at the time.

I know that song. Hmmmm....It's a stretch for me to call that a disco song. Gilbert did do some odd stuff, though. :smile:

The end of that same year saw those quintessential discomeisters, none other than K.C. & The Sunshine Band, with their first club hit "Blow Your Whistle".

See, I didn't hear of K.C. until 1975. It might have made a difference in that I grew up in the Midwest and was just a bit behind the trends.

Meanwhile, Barry White was practically inventing what later became a disco hallmark--soaring, ethereal, high-register string arrangements-- with his vocal hit "Never Gonna Give You Up" and instrumental "Love's Theme".

Kevin, I'd argue that Barry White was "make-out" music rather than disco. YMMV, of course. :wink:

But okay, we can put proto-disco on the map as far back as 1973 if you like.

I definitely agree that disco--or at least the roots of disco--go back as early as 1973. It had definitely started by 1974, with songs like "Rock the Boat." But by 1975 it was in full swing, and the Hustle had become the latest dance craze.

I think the whole Philadelphia sound of the early '70s was definitely a predecessor to disco. This was basically high-gloss dance music with a huge orchestra and sexy lyrics.

Disco peaked from 1977-1979 but after that quickly fizzled out, to be replaced by the dance pop of the 1980s.

On 2002-06-27 07:13, Kiff '61 wrote:
Kevin and Will, I think you've got the end boundary nailed down for the "disco era." That's pretty much how I remember that time, too.

How about disco's beginning? I'd put it as far back as the summer of 1975, when the Bee Gees released "Jive Talking." I sensed there was something new about that song; it was more about the rhythm than the lyrics. It was the song that sent the Bee Gees on the way to writing the most memorable tunes from Saturday Night Fever.

1975 sounds right to me. That year brings to mind such ditties as "That's the way I like it", "shake your booty", "Disco Duck" and others. But I understand that the *Disco* scene started in Greenwich Village in the gay bars and exploded out of there in the mid-70's so I would think that the early 70's would be the genesis of the movement. In the early 70's, the Bee Gees were doing songs like "Massachusettes". Donna Summer hadn't yet had her orgy in "I feel love" yet.

On 2002-06-27 22:39 (on the "Catholic Church" thread), Xer of Evil wrote:
Yes, I know. I was kidding.

And I'm waiting for the disco thread to get back to sex.

XoE

Well, all right then!

Question: Has their been any recent real-world sexual activity between T4T posters, I wonder? And what are the generations of those so involved???

Now THAT ought to get everything back on track :grin:

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On 2002-06-28 08:47, Smirker wrote:
Study: Men Afraid of Commitment

By Atiya Hussain
Reuters

NEW YORK - It's official. Men really are afraid of commitment.

Confirming what women have long known, an American study released on Wednesday shows men are dragging their feet on getting married.

Bzzzt-- wrong answer! My experience has been that it is mostly the WOMEN that are committment-phobic, not the guys. Perhaps not in getting married, but in entering a relationship in the first place it is most definitely the women who are afraid.

Researchers say one of the biggest reasons that men are delaying marriage is that more and more couples are choosing to live together before marriage. As a result, sex -- traditionally one of the main reasons for men to marry -- is relatively easily available, they say.

Here's a flash...it isn't necessary to even shack up with someone to have sex. There are many people out there who are quite willing and able, without even requiring the pseudo-committment of cohabitation.

"In a sense, with cohabitation he gets a quasi-wife without having to commit," said David Popenoe, co-director of the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University in New Jersey.

Well, yes, that is sort of true. Same goes for females having quasi-husbands.

"Another big thing in addition to cohabitation is that these men are very, very concerned about divorce. It's not getting your heart broken ... the worst thing that could happen is that somebody could take their money," Popenoe adds.

Now THAT is VERY true. I was lucky (or smart) enough to avoid having my soon-to-be-ex try to steal my very livelihood during my current divorce process scheduled to end July 25th. Losing not only your wife, but your home, your kids and half your bank account, all because you failed to live up to some demanding woman's ridiculously high expectations, is enough to give any rational man pause.

And giving women even more reason to be impatient that their boyfriends are dragging their feet, researchers say the trend favors the men.

"Guys can afford to wait to marry. The older they get, the better their chances in some ways of getting married, while for women it's the reverse," Popenoe said.

"Once a woman gets into her 30s, it's more likely that she will have to marry a man who was married earlier. It's more likely that she will marry a man who brings kids (into the marriage) and more likely that she will have a child by herself," Popenoe says.

Can anyone spell P-O-E-T-I-C_J-U-S-T-I-C-E??? I can-- it's always been my strong suit :grin:

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On 2002-06-28 22:39, HopefulCynic68 wrote:

On 2002-06-27 22:52, Earthshine wrote:
My grandma was early wave GI and my dad used to say he thought his dad only got lucky a few times - hence he and his siblings - and that's it.

No doubt. But in this case I believe it could be true. You didn't know my grandma.
:lol:

That may be one of the commonest pieces of wishful thinking (on the part of offspring) about parents in the human race.

On 2002-06-29 11:25, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:

On 2002-06-27 22:39 (on the "Catholic Church" thread), Xer of Evil wrote:
Yes, I know. I was kidding.

And I'm waiting for the disco thread to get back to sex.

XoE

Well, all right then!

Question: Has their been any recent real-world sexual activity between T4T posters, I wonder? And what are the generations of those so involved???

Now THAT ought to get everything back on track :grin:

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I asked XoE out for coffee once, but she never responded :grin:

On 2002-06-29 11:38, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:
Now THAT is VERY true. I was lucky (or smart) enough to avoid having my soon-to-be-ex try to steal my very livelihood during my current divorce process scheduled to end July 25th. Losing not only your wife, but your home, your kids and half your bank account, all because you failed to live up to some demanding woman's ridiculously high expectations, is enough to give any rational man pause.

Sorry to hear about it man. Good luck on thye 25th :/

Question: Has their been any recent real-world sexual activity between T4T posters, I wonder? And what are the generations of those so involved???

*Ahem*
You could be opening up a whole big can o' worms here, Earthshine!

On 2002-06-29 20:25, Heliotrope wrote:

Question: Has their been any recent real-world sexual activity between T4T posters, I wonder? And what are the generations of those so involved???

*Ahem*
You could be opening up a whole big can o' worms here, Earthshine!

That wasn't my question :smile:. Though I did respond to it




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On 2002-06-29 14:44, Earthshine wrote:

On 2002-06-29 11:38, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:
Now THAT is VERY true. I was lucky (or smart) enough to avoid having my soon-to-be-ex try to steal my very livelihood during my current divorce process scheduled to end July 25th. Losing not only your wife, but your home, your kids and half your bank account, all because you failed to live up to some demanding woman's ridiculously high expectations, is enough to give any rational man pause.

Sorry to hear about it man. Good luck on thye 25th :/

Tzsst-really? I'm not the least bit sorry. I'm tickled pink just knowing that I'll soon be rid of her with my finances very much intact. The scenario I described-- losing wife, home, kids and 1/2 the money -- isn't my situation. It is, however, what could have happened had I been less careful with my assets, and/or married someone smarter and more ruthless than my ex-wife. Single guys, please take note.

But thanks for the luck, anyway, Earthshine. Peace!

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On 2002-06-29 21:08, Xer of Evil wrote:
Um, so is "coffee" a euphemism for something else?

XoE

Let's go get some coffee.

On 2002-06-29 21:08, Xer of Evil wrote:
Um, so is "coffee" a euphemism for something else?

XoE

No. Coffee meant Coffee. If I had meant something else I'd have suggested it.
Not all guys are hounds you know :smile:

At least I hope you do

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On 2002-06-30 06:34, Earthshine wrote:

On 2002-06-29 21:08, Xer of Evil wrote:
Um, so is "coffee" a euphemism for something else?

XoE

No. Coffee meant Coffee. If I had meant something else I'd have suggested it.
Not all guys are hounds you know :smile:

At least I hope you do

Ok, let me see if I actually have a few moderatorial (is that a word???) skills.

I think, Earthshine, that XoE may have gotten the wrong idea because...well....you did answer my VERY facetious question about real-world T4T hanky-panky with a statement that you asked her out for coffee. XoE, I'm sure that Earthshine was being tongue-in-cheek as well. So we have nothing more than a big misunderstanding here, guys, I think.

Perhaps it is I who have opened up the can of worms! But at least we're out of the Saturday Night Fever era (which had its proto-disco genesis in 1973) :smile:

Hey Kevin, wanna go get some coffee? :wink:

Unless Jenny takes you up on it first. After all....she *did* say she would love to have your baby on that other thread :grin:

Perhaps Jenny, you should use more smileys :smile:
Or maybe you really meant it! : :???:

Have I opened the can of worms?

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On 2002-06-30 16:23, Heliotrope wrote:
Hey Kevin, wanna go get some coffee? :wink:

Unless Jenny takes you up on it first. After all....she *did* say she would love to have your baby on that other thread :grin:

Perhaps Jenny, you should use more smileys :smile:
Or maybe you really meant it! : :???:

Have I opened the can of worms?

_________________
Follow the sun.

Damn Kevin is the Ausin powers of the group!
Dude, you got the Mojo! Bottle that stuff and sell it and maybe we can avoid the Great Devaluation! If not, at least a few of us might get some dates, so we won't mind so much when it comes. :lol:

Peace all

On 2002-06-30 17:07, Earthshine wrote:

On 2002-06-30 16:23, Heliotrope wrote:
Hey Kevin, wanna go get some coffee? :wink:

Unless Jenny takes you up on it first. After all....she *did* say she would love to have your baby on that other thread :grin:

Perhaps Jenny, you should use more smileys :smile:
Or maybe you really meant it! : :???:

Have I opened the can of worms?

_________________
Follow the sun.

Damn Kevin is the Ausin powers of the group!
Dude, you got the Mojo! Bottle that stuff and sell it and maybe we can avoid the Great Devaluation! If not, at least a few of us might get some dates, so we won't mind so much when it comes. :lol:

Peace all

Hey Kevin! Hear that? Stop moping around thinking women don't like you! Get your eyes off the ground and maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised! :smile:

Hey Helio, how do you feel about younger men?

*whistles innocently*

On 2002-06-30 17:25, Earthshine wrote:
Hey Helio, how do you feel about younger men?

*whistles innocently*

You've asked the resident connoisseur of younger men! :wink:
I think they are F-I-N-E!