Originally Posted by Red Bull 72

The 2T gave us Sex without procreation as a norm. If the 4T is even in part about procreation without sex, then I am outta here. :-?

Birds and bees for ?test-tube? kids

Talking with children about their high-tech conception
Tyler Madsen, left, and Spencer Madsen, ages 15 and 10, were both conceived through in vitro fertilization. Pamela Madsen, their mother, says talking with them about the birds and the bees was not as difficult as some parents might fear.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/940550.asp?vts=072420031440

I know a number of couples who resorted to high tech conception to "build" their families. Believe me, all would have gladly been able to have children the old fashioned way!

Do you think that we will ever see the resurgence of red-light districts in our cities? Why or why not, and if so, when might it happen?

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

Do you think that we will ever see the resurgence of red-light districts in our cities? Why or why not, and if so, when might it happen?

I don't know. But Schwarzenegger will probably have to legalize prostitution so he can find some new tax revenue. :shock:

The City of Chicago is always after new sources of revenue, too, but where prostitution is concerned, they are going about it in the opposite way, seizing the cars of the patrons and making them pay about $600 to get their cars back. A little too steep, IMO.

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

Do you think that we will ever see the resurgence of red-light districts in our cities? Why or why not, and if so, when might it happen?

I don't ever see it happening anywhere because the religious right has/will have a death grip on this sort of activity.

Originally Posted by Kevdawg

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

Do you think that we will ever see the resurgence of red-light districts in our cities? Why or why not, and if so, when might it happen?

I don't ever see it happening anywhere because the religious right has/will have a death grip on this sort of activity.

Or until the next Awakening in the 2040s or so...

Originally Posted by Kevdawg

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

Do you think that we will ever see the resurgence of red-light districts in our cities? Why or why not, and if so, when might it happen?

I don't ever see it happening anywhere because the religious right has/will have a death grip on this sort of activity.

Count on it. They may not be called red-light districts, but that's what they'll be in some form or other. Human nature doesn't change.

. .. are not really necessary. The alternative weekly of every major metropolitan area has a huge section of ads for prostitution. This does not bother me, personally. San Francisco sex workers are trying for local legalization. In my opinion this would be a fine thing, since it could "working girls" (many of whom are actually, in effect, therapists) from violence and from exploitation. However, it's obviously not likely to happen.

Regarding the 1950s, married people were not sexually repressed. Single people were quite sexually repressed. Gay people were outlaws. Basically, if you were young, horny, and wanted to have sex, you had to get married. So people did! Twenty years later. . .many of them got divorced.

David K '47

P.S. As some of the veterans know, I was divorced five years ago. For the last three years I've been in a new relationship with an almost exact contemporary--slightly older, in fact. In the meantime, let me just say that the discovery of single older women was quite a revelation. People who like sex do not stop liking it.

Prostituion does exist under the sophisticated term Escort Services, and usually a very high price is charged for their services, and only really upscale people can afford to use them. Yet in many areas law enforcement people are trying to bust them, too. I wouldn't have a problem if a brothel opened up in my town, just as long as there isn't a lot of riff-raff hanging around the place at all hours. And, if it were legal, would it be more affordable? The average cost of an escort service is $300 to $400 an hour, with some being higher.

As far as people liking sex is concerned, this may be true, but it does seem as if it isn't the forefront nearly as much as it was during the Awakening years. I bet most people's sexual resumes are a lot shorter now.

I am just wondering are the Silent Generation have been and probably still are more involved in the swinging/wife swapping scene than the Boom or the X'ers are?

Originally Posted by Tristan

I am just wondering are the Silent Generation have been and probably still are more involved in the swinging/wife swapping scene than the Boom or the X'ers are?

You are wondering whether couples in their 60s and 70s are swinging more than all couples younger than them? Whooaaaaaa! Hubba hubba. :lol:

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Originally Posted by Tristan

I am just wondering are the Silent Generation have been and probably still are more involved in the swinging/wife swapping scene than the Boom or the X'ers are?

You are wondering whether couples in their 60s and 70s are swinging more than all couples younger than them? Whooaaaaaa! Hubba hubba. :lol:

I think Tristan is refering to the Awakening.

In 1970, the typical Silent would have been 35-40 and the typical Boomer would have been about 20. So yes, I would guess most of the Swingers of the Seventies would have been Silents. Most Boomers were still single, whereas many Silents would have been bored with the spouse they married at 21. :wink:

Not my fuddy duddy early-wave Silent parents, bless their hearts. The Laster parents weathered the Awakening in fine fashion; Mom subscribed to Ms. Magazine and successfully got my Dad to do more of the cooking at home and earned a Master's Degree in Medieval Studies while my Dad usually had his head buried in the New York Times when he wasn't trying to smooth out campus tensions between crazy Boomer students and GI college administrators (as a genial and personable and reasonable Silent, he was ideal for the task).

Originally Posted by Hermione Granger

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Originally Posted by Tristan

I am just wondering are the Silent Generation have been and probably still are more involved in the swinging/wife swapping scene than the Boom or the X'ers are?

You are wondering whether couples in their 60s and 70s are swinging more than all couples younger than them? Whooaaaaaa! Hubba hubba. :lol:

I think Tristan is refering to the Awakening.

In 1970, the typical Silent would have been 35-40 and the typical Boomer would have been about 20. So yes, I would guess most of the Swingers of the Seventies would have been Silents. Most Boomers were still single, whereas many Silents would have been bored with the spouse they married at 21. :wink:

Not my fuddy duddy early-wave Silent parents, bless their hearts. The Laster parents weathered the Awakening in fine fashion; Mom subscribed to Ms. Magazine and successfully got my Dad to do more of the cooking at home and earned a Master's Degree in Medieval Studies while my Dad usually had his head buried in the New York Times when he wasn't trying to smooth out campus tensions between crazy Boomer students and GI college administrators (as a genial and personable and reasonable Silent, he was ideal for the task).

Nor mine. My Mom went back to school in '68 and earned a B.S. in Sociology and a teaching certification five years later, while my Dad did his lawyerly schmoozing at 20 Green Street (the 'Cheers' of Newark City Hall). On occasion we kids were left by ourselves for a couple hours with the boob-tube as babysitter...typically on Friday nights, when "The Brady Bunch" and "Nanny and the Professor" kicked off ABC's TGIF. My Dad would always bring home our favorite soda pop (Canada Dry's Wild Cherry and Concord Grape flavors) and snack chips (Wise brand Sour Cream and Onion, and the then-new Doritos Taco Flavored chips) around 8 or 8:30.

But I digress...my parents found the whole spouse-swapping scene abhorrent. Don't think any of their acquaintances in NJ were into such a thing (my folks would never counted people who did as "friends"). However, my Mom to me hinted in the early-eighties about rumours of swapping, possibly involving a few of our Silent neighbors in California. This was partially confirmed by the mom of my brother's first real girlfriend, who derided the pathetic scumbags as "Pasadena's Finest".

In some publications you will see ads for swingers, but I bet the scene is a lot more subdued these days. Those were the times! I wonder if sex will ever again be as easy as it was in those halcyon days after The Pill and before AIDS.

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Originally Posted by Tristan

I am just wondering are the Silent Generation have been and probably still are more involved in the swinging/wife swapping scene than the Boom or the X'ers are?

You are wondering whether couples in their 60s and 70s are swinging more than all couples younger than them? Whooaaaaaa! Hubba hubba. :lol:

From what I've heard, the answer may actually be yes. There was a story a year or three ago about a 'swinging' group in a retirement home, and the age lineup (no surprise) would make them Silent.

My Silent parents tried the swinging thing in the very early 70's, but it ultimately threatened my mother's perception of herself (she was around 40 and starting to feel her age) and led to their divorce. Today they regret having dallied in extramarital sex, although they both believe they would have divorced eventually anyway.

Originally Posted by Helio2

My Silent parents tried the swinging thing in the very early 70's, but it ultimately threatened my mother's perception of herself (she was around 40 and starting to feel her age) and led to their divorce. Today they regret having dallied in extramarital sex, although they both believe they would have divorced eventually anyway.

Perhaps so.

I actually suspect that if the truth were told, the majority of those who did try 'swinging' when it was temporarily semi-approved of (in some circles) regretted it afterward, sooner or later. There are reasons why human social customs work the way they do, and why most sexual fantasies are best left just that. Every Awakening seems to bring a temporary amnesia (since living memory of the last time has largely passed), and variations on the same errors repeat and repeat.

(It should also always be kept in mind, of course, that even at the height of it, it was always a minority who engaged in it.)