Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Those who discern the pox within that House of Ill Repute at the address Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton and don't think that the B's nor the C's are just there to play the piano but are all engaged in the rental of their persons and have come to be unclean due to their lack of hygiene might wish to visit an unpoxy establishment that provides either rest or recreation of another sort entirely.

It may be that one might wish to enter a boarding house or an abbey rather than a brothel for a while when on ones way. Or perhaps, it is only the Crown of Creation that is raddled and Clinton-Bush-Clinton is emblematic of an entire generation of rentpersons that one would be well to avoid. That the House was much less poxy under GI management and might well be again under Xer (or even Silent) administration if only the Boomers could be sent off to considered their vices in private.

The idea that you can have any whore (red/blue/or a combination) in the House, but a whore you must have! isn't as appealling as you might think to all even if its been comped by the management.

Mr. Saari, cannot even one righteous Boomer politician be found among their number? Is it truly necessary to bring the fire and brimstone down upon an entire generation?

Originally Posted by playwrite

Also, my reference to those with their heads in the sand and responsible for the low Congressional rating are those Congressional members who have blocked legislation supporting a change of course in Iraq. I never came close to suggesting the people surveyed in the polls had any such afflictions. Please stop twisting my words around.

I think the one thing that liberals hate the most is being accused of having lost any sense of objectivity in favor of partisan political gain. And I think the reason for this is simply that the federal govenment is so damn important to them. Without the federal government to keep the citizens in line and take care of them from womb to tomb, the country would soon self-destruct in a sea of selfishness and greed. They really do believe that.

Thus the ends, their running the country, simply justify any means necessary to achieve it. Otherwise we're all doomed.

Originally Posted by zilch

I think the one thing that liberals hate the most is being accused of having lost any sense of objectivity in favor of partisan political gain. And I think the reason for this is simply that the federal govenment is so damn important to them. Without the federal government to keep the citizens in line and take care of them from womb to tomb, the country would soon self-destruct in a sea of selfishness and greed. They really do believe that.

Thus the ends, their running the country, simply justify any means necessary to achieve it. Otherwise we're all doomed.

There you have it, Rani. Do you agree with him?

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Mr. Saari, cannot even one righteous Boomer politician be found among their number? Is it truly necessary to bring the fire and brimstone down upon an entire generation?

Hey man. Virgil's of The Crown, too. What else would you expect from one of Those People? Reasoned moderation?

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

That's non-responsive. I asked that question seriously, based on what I've seen from you here.

I know you asked it seriously, but I had no idea how how you came to that conclusion. Furthermore, I don't know what you've seen from me to suggest that I'm afraid of change.

But, my life's going pretty well right now. After being sick from 2004-2006 I've gotten to the place I wanted to be, but this 4T is going to screw everything up. I have no long-term plans. So I guess I am "afraid" of change.

If you mean politically, I don't think I've indicated where I stand. I try to stay out of political arguments, and if not, I'd probably only express dissatisfaction. You might say I'm a bit disillusioned with American government, and maybe government in general.

BTW, I'm a Millenial, if that helps.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

To the extent that you and KIA and Zilch mock people that are doing some good in the world, particularly for the poor and sick among us (fully acknowledging that nobody's perfect and that we all have flaws), you earn the anger that comes your way.

Earned the anger that comes our way???

Such displays of self-righteous arrogance, by folks who claim the mantle of non-judgemental openness and champions of civil liberties, never ceases to amaze me: No, you can't question the do-gooders because they are by definition above reproach!

p.s. The "Bush sucks" mantra has decended into hysteria and abject nuttiness. That liberals have opted to travel this road to the silly end only reveals their pure and unadulterated vacuousness.

Originally Posted by zilch

Earned the anger that comes our way???

You bet.

Such displays of self-righteous arrogance, by folks who claim the mantle of non-judgemental openness and champions of civil liberties, never ceases to amaze me: No, you can't question the do-gooders because they are by definition above reproach!

Question away, if you can rise above the name-calling, Marc.

p.s. The "Bush sucks" mantra has decended into hysteria and abject nuttiness.

It sure has.

That liberals have opted to travel this road to the silly end only reveals their pure and unadulterated vacuousness.

No, the fact that you keep using the phrase time and again shows that you're just spinning your wheels.

Originally Posted by MichaelEaston

I know you asked it seriously, but I had no idea how how you came to that conclusion. Furthermore, I don't know what you've seen from me to suggest that I'm afraid of change.

Okay, maybe I've misread you. Maybe the playwrite phrased it better as "conflict." I'd be interested in your response to his post.

But, my life's going pretty well right now. After being sick from 2004-2006 I've gotten to the place I wanted to be, but this 4T is going to screw everything up. I have no long-term plans. So I guess I am "afraid" of change.

Join the club. I think we're all a little uneasy about what might happen. But our knowledge of saecular theory might help us all to understand why crises happen and how to deal with them.

What I'm suggesting is that it's time to adjust to the new season. Sadly, most of us have lived through the Inner-Directed eras of the 2T and 3T, and we're going to be stumbling around for a while until we learn to get out of our own heads and our own selfish interests.

Younger folks are going to have an easier time with this.

If you mean politically, I don't think I've indicated where I stand. I try to stay out of political arguments, and if not, I'd probably only express dissatisfaction. You might say I'm a bit disillusioned with American government, and maybe government in general.

BTW, I'm a Millenial, if that helps.

Your dissatisfaction with the system is similar to what I've seen from other Millennials. I think your generation will drive these changes.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Question away, if you can rise above the name-calling, Marc.

Thanks so much, Kolonel Kiff!

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Mr. Saari, cannot even one righteous Boomer politician be found among their number? Is it truly necessary to bring the fire and brimstone down upon an entire generation?

Well we tried C-o-C sex at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue? And, C-o-C drugs in turn. I doubtful, but, we may even try C-o-C rock 'n' roll!

Providence might even provide us that rarest of creatures, a whore with the heart of a whore, from the Generation if we just give the Boomers enough chances. I don't think the lower orders can withstand too many attempts, but they are free to give us leave.

Boomers suck (at politics) !

Originally Posted by zilch

Thanks so much, Kolonel Kiff!

I await your questions.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

...

Inaction hurts people. ...

Originally Posted by Lao Tse, Celestial

If you overesteem great men,
people become powerless.
If you overvalue possessions,
people begin to steal.

...

Practice not-doing,
and everything will fall into place.

Tao Te Ching, 3 (Stephen Mitchell, trans.)

Originally Posted by Lao Tse

When taxes are too high,
people go hungry.
When government is too intrusive,
people lose their spirit.

Act for the people's benefit.
Trust them; leave them alone.

Tao Te Ching, 75

Mr. Saari:

I understand the philosophy very well. But the reality of the situation is that our government is too big and too intrusive.

Shouldn't some rectification be made, and is that not some sort of action, by definition, against today's status quo?

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Mr. Saari:

I understand the philosophy very well. But the reality of the situation is that our government is too big and too intrusive.

Shouldn't some rectification be made, and is that not some sort of action, by definition, against today's status quo?

Ha! Ha! Too big and too intrusive thy name is Boomer. If you want to change this you might want to look to another labor pool (amongst the lower orders) than the Crown of Creation, Helicopter Parent to the World and the nearer Planets.

Rectification is the Program of another Celestial entirely. It requires the Congress to be Congressional and not lap-dogged, the POTUS to be Presidential and not Imperial, farmers to be farmers and not Welfare Queens, etc. Boomers being Boomers is one of the few Rectifications that are in almost perfect accord of the being and its naming in the Present Age.

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Ha! Ha! Too big and too intrusive thy name is Boomer. If you want to change this you might want to look to another labor pool (amongst the lower orders) than the Crown of Creation, Helicopter Parent to the World and the nearer Planets.

Rectification is the Program of another Celestial entirely. It requires the Congress to be Congressional and not lap-dogged, the POTUS to be Presidential and not Imperial, farmers to be farmers and not Welfare Queens, etc. Boomers being Boomers is one of the few Rectifications that are in almost perfect accord of the being and its naming in the Present Age.

Well, I wasn't necessarily asking for another anti-Boomer rant (though I do find the variety of your flames rather amusing at times).

I have a sneaking suspicion that there is Action hiding behind your words, even if the lower orders are the only ones capable of carrying it out. May it be so!

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Hey man. Virgil's of The Crown, too. What else would you expect from one of Those People? Reasoned moderation?

Your usage of The Crown here is incorrect. "The Crown" is an abstract concept used to refer to the British monarchy, which Mr. Saari has nothing to do with. The word "the" should have instead have been left uncapitalized.

Originally Posted by sean '90

Your usage of The Crown here is incorrect. "The Crown" is an abstract concept used to refer to the British monarchy, which Mr. Saari has nothing to do with. The word "the" should have instead have been left uncapitalized.

Justin is referring to the "Crown of Creation." By that Mr. Saari means the self-important Boom Generation.

Originally Posted by Child of Socrates

Justin is referring to the "Crown of Creation." By that Mr. Saari means the self-important Boom Generation.

I know what Justin was referring to, I was just correcting his grammar. Funny, though, I always thought that Mr. Saari was referring to humanity as a whole with that statement.

Originally Posted by sean '90

I know what Justin was referring to, I was just correcting his grammar. Funny, though, I always thought that Mr. Saari was referring to humanity as a whole with that statement.

Um. Grammar refers to word order and agreement. What you were attempting to critique was capitalization.
As for the accuracy of the critique itself... I merely note its coming from a guy whose handle breaks one of the most basic rules of capitalization in the english language. And leave it at that.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Um. Grammar refers to word order and agreement. What you were attempting to critique was capitalization.
As for the accuracy of the critique itself... I merely note its coming from a guy whose handle breaks one of the most basic rules of capitalization in the english language. And leave it at that.

Touch-e. IT'S PRONOUNCED TOO-SHAY!!!

Originally Posted by sean '90

Touch-e. IT'S PRONOUNCED TOO-SHAY!!!

Umm... you do know that word isn't hyphenated, right?

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Umm... you do know that word isn't hyphenated, right?

Touché, to be exact.

Webmonkey rocks for all those special characters.

Originally Posted by zilch

I think the one thing that liberals hate the most is being accused of having lost any sense of objectivity in favor of partisan political gain.[

I wouldn't know. It's hard for me to grasp this sense of hate for something (i.e. loss of objectivity) that has never afflicted me. Perhaps you can enlighten us with your experiences in dealing with the affliction?

Originally Posted by zilch

And I think the reason for this is simply that the federal govenment is so damn important to them. Without the federal government to keep the citizens in line and take care of them from womb to tomb, the country would soon self-destruct in a sea of selfishness and greed. They really do believe that.

Thus the ends, their running the country, simply justify any means necessary to achieve it. Otherwise we're all doomed.

Liberals are those that adhere to liberalism. And from the dictionary -

lib·er·al·ism - a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

I don't know, but it seems like your talking more about the boogey-man.

Granted this hogwash of your's about liberals causing huge intrusive government has worked for you it the past; the problem for you now is that what has happen in the last six years makes such claims seem frivolous. And with those cold hard facts, the netroots are going to cream any of your candidates that tries to pursue these scare tactics.

Bottom line - your dog just don't hunt no more.

— Perhaps it's time for you to consider retirement or at least a change in careers?

Originally Posted by playwrite

Granted this hogwash of your's about liberals causing huge intrusive government has worked for you it the past...

Obviously it doesn't work in today's NYC, where the anti-transfat/nicotine et al police rule the street. With liberal Big Sister staring ya right in the face who needs "huge intrusive government" anymore, eh?

Here, lemmee take a page from your future GC Al Gore's book and just label you a Big Sis' denier.

Originally Posted by zilch

Obviously it doesn't work in today's NYC, where the anti-transfat/nicotine et al police rule the street. With liberal Big Sister staring ya right in the face who needs "huge intrusive government" anymore, eh?

Here, lemmee take a page from your future GC Al Gore's book and just label you a Big Sis' denier.

Nobody's stopping you from frying your own food or smoking your own cigs in the privacy of your own home.

So can the complaining and get shopping.