Originally Posted by herbal tee

He is a hobbit from the Shire.

While we're on the topic of LotR, I've always loved grand, epic stories. Is this a Civic thing?

Originally Posted by Odin

While we're on the topic of LotR, I've always loved grand, epic stories. Is this a Civic thing?

No.

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Originally Posted by Odin

While we're on the topic of LotR, I've always loved grand, epic stories. Is this a Civic thing?

No this Crown of Creation was into the KJV-OT/NT, Homer, Livy, Vergil, Eddas, Kalevala, Mallory, Gibbon, Wagner, Wm. Shirer, Tolstoy, Doris Lessing-Canopus in Argos, C.S. Lewis, Mervyn Peake, Solzhenitsyn, Lady Murasaki, etc. since the High.

Originally Posted by herbal tee

He is a hobbit from the Shire.

hehehe(he)

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Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

A question only an Xer would have to ask.

I don't know man. My xer and millenial coworkers routinely take multi-hour breaks to play magic cards and go out on the lawn and fight with wooden swords. I haven't played d&d since in some time but I confess to have spent a number of hours doing so as a lad (no doubt listening to RUSH and eating Domino's pizza) and was forced to buy a deck of magic cards by my boss.

Originally Posted by Odin

While we're on the topic of LotR, I've always loved grand, epic stories. Is this a Civic thing?

Ironically, about three weeks ago I started writing some fantasy lit. Back when I was into the SCA thing, I wrote some tales in verse, some historical and some fanciful. Now I am looking at jotting down a few scenes that I might otherwise confined to my daydreams.

What inspired me partially was T4T's call to act preseasonally by diversifying. Writing is hard work and organizing your thoughts even harder. I am looking on this (along with my blog) as an exercise in developing my written communication skills.

Alan Dershowitz: You are a very strange man.
Claus von Bülow: You have no idea.

That piece of dialog is reproduced almost word-for-word in a scene between Simba and Scar (voiced by Jeremy Irons, who played von Bulow in Reversal of Fortune) in The Lion King. I guess the screen writers wanted to include a little in-joke.

Originally Posted by William Strauss

Many older people can't or won't see it, but go to a health club, and see who is more modest than whom--50somethings or teenagers.

Definitely the fiftysomethings/Boomers.

When I was on Teleboards, we had a debate about indecent exposure laws. The board was divided over whether they violate freedom and encode arbitrary judgments that nudity is wrong, or whether they protect privacy (a nonsensical argument) and protect children from seeing naked people. The vast majority of us (myself included) opposed indecent exposure laws, with only a few holdouts who said society can choose to disapprove of (and enforce its disapproval of) anything it wants. This board is made up of people in their teens through mid-twenties. You would never see the Baby Boomers accepting nudity in public today, and indecent exposure laws will probably stay on the books until 95% of Boomers are dead.

What male Boomers and Millennials wear while they're asleep also shows the Boomers to be much less body-baring. Most Boomer men will wear pajamas, bottom and top, sleeves full length, while Millennial boys wear boxer shorts.

Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

... What male Boomers and Millennials wear while they're asleep also shows the Boomers to be much less body-baring. Most Boomer men will wear pajamas, bottom and top, sleeves full length, while Millennial boys wear boxer shorts.

I don't think so. I haven't even owned pajamas for over 40 years ... except for the pajama bottoms my daughter-in-law bought me to wear outdoors. I walk in them when it's too cold for shorts.

Originally Posted by Linus

I don't know man. My xer and millenial coworkers routinely take multi-hour breaks to play magic cards and go out on the lawn and fight with wooden swords. I haven't played d&d since in some time but I confess to have spent a number of hours doing so as a lad (no doubt listening to RUSH and eating Domino's pizza) and was forced to buy a deck of magic cards by my boss.

My favorite part of d&d was rolling for charisma points. There's nothing like having your friend tell you that his elf is far more charismatic than your dwarf. I mean we are talking about a seriously charismatic elf here, the Mick Jagger of elves ...

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

I don't think so. I haven't even owned pajamas for over 40 years ... except for the pajama bottoms my daughter-in-law bought me to wear outdoors. I walk in them when it's too cold for shorts.

Not me. When I'm alone (which is five weeks out of six), if I didn't wear pajamas or sweats to bed, I'd freeze to death no matter how many blankets I'm layered under.

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Not me. When I'm alone (which is five weeks out of six), if I didn't wear pajamas or sweats to bed, I'd freeze to death no matter how many blankets I'm layered under.

I sleep in my birthday suit -- alone or not (well, I usually have a cat keeping my toes warm sleeping on top of the blanket). However, I wear pajamas (sweats and a tunic top) around the house either immediately after waking up or before going to bed.

Originally Posted by Uzi

My favorite part of d&d was rolling for charisma points. There's nothing like having your friend tell you that his elf is far more charismatic than your dwarf. I mean we are talking about a seriously charismatic elf here, the Mick Jagger of elves ...

It figures that the guy who razzed me about being a geek for playing board games is an ex-D&Der who got off over the most useless of all the stats in the game.

Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

In S&H's 2002 blog, William Strauss made a mention of these "lawless video games" and stated that the kind of violence that goes on in these games is more Boomer violence than Hero violence, and he can't understand why Millennials are playing these games because Hero violence is supposed to be of the Establishment type.

It was the only time I've ever seen Bill stumped by something.

Video and online games are extremely black/white; pure Millie goodness

Originally Posted by Odin

While we're on the topic of LotR, I've always loved grand, epic stories. Is this a Civic thing?

JRR Tolkien (1892) was a core Lost. He wrote LOTR seeded with many images of the horrors of WWI.

Epics may appeal to Civics, but LOTR ended with Frodo so traumatized he ended up going into the West. Not your typical epic where good conquers evil and hero beds heroine.

Originally Posted by The Pervert

It figures that the guy who razzed me about being a geek for playing board games is an ex-D&Der who got off over the most useless of all the stats in the game.

Most of us have moved on to the Euro games; they are much easier to schedule than a long-running campaign.

Originally Posted by Pink Splice

Most of us have moved on to the Euro games; they are much easier to schedule than a long-running campaign.

Euro games? Do tell.

I'm more likely to play a MMORPG. My fiancee plays Final Fantasy XI. She wants me to join. I almost did, but the software didn't load properly. I'll try again over winter break, when I'll uninstall it then reinstall it.

Originally Posted by kalima62

Video and online games are extremely black/white; pure Millie goodness

Millennial and indeed Civic Violence is of a collective, with a purpose type as opposed to individualistic and/or nihilistic kind which is a feature of Idealist and Reactive generations.

Originally Posted by zilch

Alas, I cannot. The line belongs to Rush Limbaugh. He's a big fan, btw, of Strauss and Howe's generational theory. In fact, S&H have been personal visitors (ie., friendly) to Limbaugh's personal Death Star abode on occasion... perhaps this is enough for liberals to call into question the legitimacy of the S&H theory of history?

I mean, it's one thing for libs to defend a murderer like Claus von Bülow (or even Josef Stalin), it is quite another thing to be on the same page as such consummate Limbaughian evil is any shape manner or form.

Newt Grinrich is a fan of Generations from what I have heard, that might explains he seems to be acting like he is the Next Winston Churchill as of late.

I hope not ol' boy is still stuck on 3T issues and I really wouldn't want the war I may die in to become some kind of Christian vs unbelievers thing. I don't fight for shit I don't believe in.

Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

Definitely the fiftysomethings/Boomers.

When I was on Teleboards, we had a debate about indecent exposure laws.

While I find Teleboards to have some worthwhile debates, there are too many trolls and fire-breathing dragons on that board for it to be really worth visiting. Plus there are a lot of lazy jerks who refuse to read a post you made if it's too long for them.

The board was divided over whether they violate freedom and encode arbitrary judgments that nudity is wrong, or whether they protect privacy (a nonsensical argument) and protect children from seeing naked people. The vast majority of us (myself included) opposed indecent exposure laws, with only a few holdouts who said society can choose to disapprove of (and enforce its disapproval of) anything it wants. This board is made up of people in their teens through mid-twenties. You would never see the Baby Boomers accepting nudity in public today, and indecent exposure laws will probably stay on the books until 95% of Boomers are dead.

As for my reason to question the "modesty" of the Bittersweet Generation: When I go into a public restroom, even if it's a restroom for men only, people born before circa 1975 will refuse to share it with me if there's only one toilet in the room. People my age don't have a problem with it.

Originally Posted by Tristan

Newt Grinrich is a fan of Generations from what I have heard, that might explains he seems to be acting like he is the Next Winston Churchill as of late.

Obviously it is the deepest arrogance to believe that one is the next Churchill, FDR, Lincoln, or Gandhi. Gingrich, unlike Churchill, chose the political wilderness. Did he know something that we didn't know about the neocon clique? Or was that pure luck?

I suspect the latter.

Originally Posted by James E. F. Landau

... As for my reason to question the "modesty" of the Bittersweet Generation: When I go into a public restroom, even if it's a restroom for men only, people born before circa 1975 will refuse to share it with me if there's only one toilet in the room. People my age don't have a problem with it.

Not that I want to rain on your parade, but I've had the virtual mirror of your experience. Younger males tend to use the facilities with doors closed, but older men don't seem to mind the elbow-to-elbow public facilities nearly as much. When I was a boy, it was not atypical for the urinal in some places to be a long trough. No privacy there, albeit male only.

Of course, we Americans are far more private than most. Public urination by both genders was common in Japan when I was there in the late '60s. Even the restrooms in upscale restaurants and clubs were gender neutral, with men and women using the same facilities at the same time.

Just discovered this response . . .

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Not that I want to rain on your parade, but I've had the virtual mirror of your experience. Younger males tend to use the facilities with doors closed, but older men don't seem to mind the elbow-to-elbow public facilities nearly as much. When I was a boy, it was not atypical for the urinal in some places to be a long trough. No privacy there, albeit male only.

Of course, we Americans are far more private than most. Public urination by both genders was common in Japan when I was there in the late '60s. Even the restrooms in upscale restaurants and clubs were gender neutral, with men and women using the same facilities at the same time.

Hmmmm . . . I mainly had the Xers in mind when I talked about people born before 1975. The occasional Boomer will be willing to share a restroom with me even if there are no stalls, but the Xers won't think of it, which surprises me. And of course, the Silents are willing to go in with you.

People even younger than Xers, however, will be willing to share even if I'll be able to see them pissing, or they'll be able to see me. Just not raised to think that these body parts are evil, perhaps.

Boxer short boy here.