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Post#2626 at 09-19-2011 01:10 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
It's pretty tacky to forward someone's PMs to another person without the original person's foreknowledge or consent.

Just saying.
It's pretty tacky to send someone an email hoping that you get kiled.

Rani is way too prissy.

Just saying.







Post#2627 at 09-19-2011 01:13 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Low rates of out of wedlock births for ages. Then, women get compensated for having out of wedlock births. Then the rate takes off. Common sense tells you that's not a coincidence.
Now wait a minute. You're moving the goal posts here. Your original statement was about "unwanted children.'' Now you're talking about "out of wedlock births." They are not one and the same. Plenty of those kids were wanted.

I don't know how one would measure the number of "unwanted" children without interviewing every single person that's had a child over the last 40-50 years.







Post#2628 at 09-19-2011 01:17 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Well, I could probably come up with several passages, not only from the NT, but from the OT prophets.

Great. Let's see them. Put up or shut up! Rani came through. Waht about you?

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However, that's not really the point. The government is (or should be, ideally) an extension of the people's will. We all take care of the poor through the taxes we pay into Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
Thank you Jean Jaques Rosseau.

America was founded, and gained its greatness, based on the fact that the power of the governemnt, including the people's will, is LIMITED. Unlimited power, includimng the "Will of the Peope" is Tyranny.


You know, Kiff, you take your moniker after a guy who got put to death by a government who didn't have any limits on the "Will of the People". You might want to mull that over.







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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Your original statement was about "unwanted children.'' Now you're talking about "out of wedlock births." They are not one and the same. Plenty of those kids were wanted.
Right. Now you understand my statement "Right. They're all Bohemians."

And out of wedlock is a bad way to go, even if voluntary. But most aren't, and saying otherwise is disingenuous







Post#2630 at 09-19-2011 01:27 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Whoa ... THAT'S what he meant?! I saw the movie, but it was a long time ago, and I don't remember that scene.
It was a creepy message, though, reminiscent of another creep who eventually got banned from this forum for his creep-ness.
Blech.
I never saw the movie, but it's about a mafia guy.

Perhaps I owe Kaiser an apology on the violence aspect, but he seems a bit stuck on himself

What other creep?







Post#2631 at 09-19-2011 01:27 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
It's pretty tacky to send someone an email hoping that you get kiled.
It is. What does that have to do with the Billy Crystal quote?

Rani is way too prissy.

Just saying.
Rani is extremely good at defending herself and using anything people say as a weapon against them.







Post#2632 at 09-19-2011 01:31 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Great. Let's see them. Put up or shut up! Rani came through. Waht about you?
You're missing the point. It's not about Bible verses.

Thank you Jean Jaques Rosseau.

America was founded, and gained its greatness, based on the fact that the power of the governemnt, including the people's will, is LIMITED. Unlimited power, includimng the "Will of the Peope" is Tyranny.
I don't disagree. I just don't think that providing medical care to the poor is particularly egregious in the grand scheme of things.

You know, Kiff, you take your moniker after a guy who got put to death by a government who didn't have any limits on the "Will of the People". You might want to mull that over.
I knew very well what I was doing.







Post#2633 at 09-19-2011 01:32 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
It is. What does that have to do with the Billy Crystal quote?
It looks like we'll have to wait for Kaiser to explain what he "really" meant.

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Rani is extremely good at defending herself and using anything people say as a weapon against them.
You mean, holding people accountable for the things they post? Why shouldn't she?







Post#2634 at 09-19-2011 01:35 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Right. Now you understand my statement "Right. They're all Bohemians."

And out of wedlock is a bad way to go, even if voluntary. But most aren't, and saying otherwise is disingenuous
Less preferable, perhaps. But not a death sentence.







Post#2635 at 09-19-2011 01:40 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
You mean, holding people accountable for the things they post? Why shouldn't she?
On the public forum, sure.

But I don't think she should be spreading people's PMs around, and I don't think you should have posted it here, either. They were intended as private communications.







Post#2636 at 09-19-2011 01:41 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
You're missing the point. It's not about Bible verses.
Oh come on. You said that your Christianity make you want to push for welfare programs. So it is about Bible verses.


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I don't disagree. I just don't think that providing medical care to the poor is particularly egregious in the grand scheme of things.
Unsustainable is egregious. As Ron Paul pointed out, we did well (maybe better) without it.

Considering he was a doctor at the time, he'd probably know more about it than you, don't you think?







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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Less preferable, perhaps. But not a death sentence.
When you subsidize something, you get more of it. Let's stop subsidizing it.







Post#2638 at 09-19-2011 01:44 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Yeah, hard to know what he meant without knowing the movie, but I'm sure that it was intended as an insult.
And if it's not a sentiment fit to be printed in public, why the heck is he trying to start a fight with me via PM?


A creep who DID make comments about how he'd like to see me (and others) dead.
Those posts were removed by the webmaster, but JDG likes to dig them up from time to time.
Sometimes I agree with JDG, sometimes I don't. But if he's posting death threats, you really should do something.







Post#2639 at 09-19-2011 01:46 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
On the public forum, sure...
If you post something on a public forums, you should be criticized on public forums.

Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
But I don't think she should be spreading people's PMs around, and I don't think you should have posted it here, either. They were intended as private communications.
Looks like Kaisers going over the line. The Webmaster should know.

Edit: Done, wrt to both Kaiser and JDG.
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Post#2640 at 09-19-2011 01:55 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
I'll let Justin and JDG deal with your magic pony MMT perpetual motion machine.
Very weak dodge.


They have provided no credible or rational rebuttal. With your ignorance, I would expect the same from you.
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Post#2641 at 09-19-2011 02:23 PM by millennialX [at Gotham City, USA joined Oct 2010 #posts 6,597]
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wow...

This forum is in its own 4T....
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Post#2642 at 09-19-2011 02:38 PM by summer in the fall [at joined Jul 2011 #posts 1,540]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
Look, you're just gonna have to find some other way to support your thesis other than twisting liberal, religious logic against them. Because protecting an extension of a person's body against the will of the brain attached to it is an inversion of the law. And it is not the same as people who benefit from the society they live in getting together to figure out how to solve the problems therein.
Calm down.

Your argument isn't valid to those who think that there are two persons in there, not one, as some of those with a religious perspective do.

The problem is using religion, as Kiff did, to buttress an argument (government welfare), but getting upset if people use it for another (abortion). I don't agree with either one...
You're not getting it. The basis of your argument is that religious liberals are hypocrites for turning a blind eye to abortion while fighting for better government services. And I say they know intrinsically even if they cannot articulate clearly that they are not the same because violating a woman's body to "protect" something fundamentally a part of it does not equate to autonomous individuals getting together to figure out how to protect other autonomous individuals within a society. If you understood the difference between a woman's body and society, you would have not have made that polemic.

Best...







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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
On the public forum, sure. But I don't think she should be spreading people's PMs around, and I don't think you should have posted it here, either. They were intended as private communications.
It is tacky to spread PMs around but in all fairness, if someone sent me a death threat via PM, I wouldn't worry about manners--I would report it to the webmaster and probably call that person out in public too.
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I don't get this. The Rani has got to be one of the sweetest persons here. Is intelligence that offensive?







Post#2645 at 09-19-2011 03:07 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Oh come on. You said that your Christianity make you want to push for welfare programs.
No, I said that caring for the poor is not a uniquely Christian value. In fact, I pushed for assistance to the poor long before I ever became a Christian.

So it is about Bible verses.
I don't think so. It's about the principle of the Golden Rule.


Unsustainable is egregious.
Compassion is limitless.

As Ron Paul pointed out, we did well (maybe better) without it.

Considering he was a doctor at the time, he'd probably know more about it than you, don't you think?
And now he's a politician.







Post#2646 at 09-19-2011 03:08 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
When you subsidize something, you get more of it. Let's stop subsidizing it.
As has already been pointed out, traditional welfare programs died in the mid-90's.







Post#2647 at 09-19-2011 03:09 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Looks like Kaisers going over the line. The Webmaster should know.
Over a quote from a Billy Crystal movie that could be interpreted in any number of ways.

Whatever...







Post#2648 at 09-19-2011 03:11 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by LateBoomer View Post
It is tacky to spread PMs around but in all fairness, if someone sent me a death threat via PM, I wouldn't worry about manners--I would report it to the webmaster and probably call that person out in public too.
It would have to be a clearly defined threat. I would only tell the webmaster and anyone else who was threatened.







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Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
I don't get this. The Rani has got to be one of the sweetest persons here. Is intelligence that offensive?
No, but relentless snarkiness is.







Post#2650 at 09-19-2011 03:33 PM by summer in the fall [at joined Jul 2011 #posts 1,540]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
I don't get this. The Rani has got to be one of the sweetest persons here. Is intelligence that offensive?
No, but relentless snarkiness is.
Then I still don't get it (and probably shouldn't ask) because you've shown me nothing offensive here.
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