Uh huh. Show the society which has been able to end poverty on even a temporary basis.Originally Posted by Odin
Then, there's sustainability.
Oh. using the word "bullshit" does not make your argument less weak.
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Uh huh. Show the society which has been able to end poverty on even a temporary basis.
Then, there's sustainability.
Oh. using the word "bullshit" does not make your argument less weak.
The location of the Earth is a scientific issue. How wealth is created, or how its creation is disencentivized is a (largely) a human issue, where common sense comes to the fore.
Nah, I felt free to give my opinion. What people do with it is up to you guys. Just consider how obnoxious this all looks.
A guaranteed minumum income indexed to inflation has never been tried because the Capitalist elites need a pool of desperate unemployed people to keep "labor costs" down.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
We can leave that decision to those who earned it.
Nonsense. Countries which follow progressiver policies have bad long term job growth. Sheesh.
Savings and investments create jobs, duh.
And they "ship jobs overseas" because people like you make it prohibitive for them to earn money here.
I think your statistics are off.
Because government run businesees tend to suck. The poor want to go to charter or private schools because they do a better job. It's progressives who stand in the way.
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The primary result of all those social programs has been to keep the poor poor.
Jesus also didn't say it's wrong to ciommit gang rape, but I'll bet he was against it.
Greed and selfishness (and envy) are rthe sins of the left. You'll notice how much so many leftists rail against materialism, and then spend all their time talking about how so and so doesn't have enough material goodies, so they should be taken from someone who earned them. Like you did in your post.
I think therer are a few lines in Job that duisagree with you. But Kiff is the Bibble expert.
Ok, you win. You get the last word.
No, you just got caught being nasty. Man up.
Then what did it have to do with?
Really. There's a work requirement for food stamps and section eight hiousing?
Moynihan pointed out that the Tammany Hall welfare system created predictable social problem in the Irish community (crime, laziness, out of wedlock births). He then pointerd out that the same thing seemed to be on the rise for Blacks.
Well.
The syudies show that people find work about 1 month before the benefits run out, whether they're for 6 months or 99 weeks or whatever.
No, its never been tried because its stupid. Or maybe you prefer European levels of job growth i.e. non existent.
Oh. You probably do. That way THE RICH can support more people.
Its never been tried because most people believe its assinine to pay an able bodied individual to do nothing but sit on his ass all day watching TV or surf the internet, even if it is in the form of a 'minimum income'.
I don't really give a damn, nobody really needs millions of dollars, it's a mixture of addiction and the thrist for power over others lots of wealth gets you. True political equality is impossible without economic equality, because economic power is political power, it always has, and it always will be.
This is common boilerplate nonsense used by the European Right to attack workers' rights.Nonsense. Countries which follow progressiver policies have bad long term job growth. Sheesh.
demand for goods and services create jobs. That is simply a fact.Savings and investments create jobs, duh.
so you want American workers to have the same pay and working conditions as folks in China?And they "ship jobs overseas" because people like you make it prohibitive for them to earn money here.
This is completely false and is based on RW propaganda and brainwashing.Because government run businesees tend to suck. The poor want to go to charter or private schools because they do a better job. It's progressives who stand in the way.
Another example of RW propaganda and brainwashing.The primary result of all those social programs has been to keep the poor poor.
Thee rich don't need any more money, the poor DO NEED THAT MONEY TO GET BY. What about this do you not understand?Greed and selfishness (and envy) are rthe sins of the left. You'll notice how much so many leftists rail against materialism, and then spend all their time talking about how so and so doesn't have enough material goodies, so they should be taken from someone who earned them. Like you did in your post.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Yes there is. You must be employed to get food stamps which means that it is basically a subsidy to employers who refuse to pay their employees a livable wage. Get you facts straight.
Typical Right-Wing thinking: "those evil poor people are lazy and just don't to get a job" *rolls eyes*.
I think everyone has a right to a basic standard of living, period. I don't give a damn about the moralistic Calvinistic BS about "evil lazy poor people".
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Ok. What about section 8 housing?
Studies from where? The American Enterprise Institute? Sorry, I would rather believe my own experiences with unemployed people than biased "studies"
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Oh, and for the record, I get Section 8 assistance and I am no lazy bum who refuses to work. and everyone I know who gets section 8 housing assistance works their ass off.
The "people on welfare are lazy" shit is a LIE. It is a DAMNED LIE, and I am sick of it!
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
The rich supporting more people? Where do you get this? How many floors to the rich mop, or grass to they mow for bottom eighty percent?
The Rich should "support" the rest because they exploit the rest, IMO.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Yes they do. It's called a dividend check. Where does he get this stuff?
This is not just RW thinking, its thinking prevalent among a high majority. And not all poor people are evil and lazy. Some are, but some just hit a rough patch and need help for a short time. I have no problem with some type of Works program that was done during the last Great Depression. In fact I think that would be a great idea these days.
But its simply absurd for the government to pay able bodied people to do absolutely nothing.
You're not seriously comparing a 'minimum income' program with getting a return on your personal investment, are you?
Left wing boiler plate passed on greed, envy and fear. If money won elections, the Donkeys would have won in Nevada.
Again, the socialist always talks of materialistic greed, but never notices that they're the ones who are its biggest advocates.
No, its based on Europes poor rates of job creation.
Blue states, too.
Savings and investments provide the capital to make good jobs possible. The American worker is several times more efficient than a Chinese worker, and current American workers are several times more productive than those of 100 years ago. That's not because their stronger or faster, or more "skilled" and running a machine than earlier workers or the Chinese, but because of capital investments.
THE RICH have the right to wjhatever money they earn. As Kiff might say, that's enjoying the fruits of one's l;abors.
THE POOR got by long before the destructive welfare system.
One wonders what your definition of "work your ass off" might be.
And using the word "Damn" doesn't make your argument any less weak.
Last edited by Wallace 88; 09-20-2011 at 10:55 AM.
I don't know about section 8 housing because I never applied for it. But you are welcome to do the research. I do know that the waiting list for it is so long that midway through the year they take no more other applicants and tell them to reapply the following year. But that's what I read years ago. It's probably worse now. Best...Ok. What about section 8 housing?
They get the dividend check because their investment makes the business run, which creates wealth. Sheesh.