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Post#2801 at 09-22-2011 12:26 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Bingo!! And the person collecting welfare or food stamps might be trying to raise a child or two. I'd call that a productive activity.
How many countries have taxes that go to subsidizing the propogation of the race?







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Quote Originally Posted by Aramea View Post
Of course it is if you know ahead of time. I suspect that many people have them when they can afford them and fall on hard times later ...
Yeah. We just covered what percentage of those women were married at the time, I think.







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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
If Paris Hilton wants to waste her money, that's her bidness. Not yours.
I thought we were talking about people who earned their money and were not given it.







Post#2804 at 09-22-2011 12:28 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Gimme that MMT religion!
Gimme that MMT religion!
Gimme that MMT religion!
It's good enough for thee!







Post#2805 at 09-22-2011 12:29 PM by summer in the fall [at joined Jul 2011 #posts 1,540]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
And who gave them that money to invest with? Or should we just return to castles and landed gentry? Do you not choose to use your brain at all?
In a free market economy, it wasn't "given" to them, they earned it. They could have gotten it selling sea shells by the sea shore. Who cares?

Do you choose to use your brain at all?
You did not address "castles and landed gentry".







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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Gimme that MMT religion!
Gimme that MMT religion!
Gimme that MMT religion!
It's good enough for thee!
Wow, deja vu all over again ...







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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonkette View Post
Not quite. If you are able-bodied, have no children, and are between 18-49 years of age, you need to either be working or in some kind of work-search or job-training program. However, if you live in an area with high unemployment, your state can apply for a waiver.

That said, about 30 percent of food stamp households do have someone working. Another 34 per percent receive either SSI or SSA, which means someone in the household is elderly and retired, or on disability. About 20 percent have no cash income whatsover. Only about 12 percent are receiving traditional cash welfare (either Federal TANF benefits or State-funded General Assistance benefits).

So 1/3 working, 1/3 elderly or disabled, and 1/3 on welfare or with no income. That's a rough breakdown of who's on food stamps these days.
I stand corected. Thanks Wonkette







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Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
That was in response to this foolishness:



Also "in some kind of work-search or job-training program" is as good (or as bad as) working. From what I have seen, those "waivers" aren't being used and the "work-search" programs a waste of time. They are more like "punishment" programs. The subsidy to employers comment is based on the experience of being a student and being told that they had to drop out school and look for a job to receive food stamps.



I would argue that barring the TANF, those 12 percent actually receiving cash welfare are homeless or are in some sort of revolving door situation.

In other words, there is no huge population of couch-sitting unemployed people living off welfare. And that is point...
You stand corrected, too.







Post#2809 at 09-22-2011 12:31 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Bingo!! And the person collecting welfare or food stamps might be trying to raise a child or two. I'd call that a productive activity.
For the rich, those children could be the next generation of domestic servants, farm laborers, and of course cannon fodder who do what (I can't resist this line by the late and unlamented Spiro T. Agnew called the intellectuals who disdained Richard Nixon) an effete corps of impudent snobs would never do on their own behalf!
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#2810 at 09-22-2011 12:32 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
You could be right, playwrite.
Gimme that MMT religion!
Gimme that MMT religion!
Gimme that MMT religion!
It's good enough for she!







Post#2811 at 09-22-2011 12:33 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Aramea View Post
Yes both are a drain on the country ...
Yeah. trying living in a country where stock ownership is punished or illegal. That's the difference.







Post#2812 at 09-22-2011 12:34 PM by summer in the fall [at joined Jul 2011 #posts 1,540]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
You stand corrected, too.
On what...







Post#2813 at 09-22-2011 12:35 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
Then your statement is meaningless. Unless you can define what is "positive contribution" (which necessarily means religious oppression), "positive contribution" could be anything which is exactly what we have now. Cheers.
It's up to the individual to decide, because (using Rani's term) it's their karma.







Post#2814 at 09-22-2011 12:36 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Religious oppression?
People know what a positive contribution is. They don't need me or anyone else to tell them.
Looks like another blog entry idea though ... excellent!
We're sortof on the same page.







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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Yeah. trying living in a country where stock ownership is punished or illegal. That's the difference.
So, if you own stock your holding down the sofa is more of sacrifice for the greater good ... Got it !!!







Post#2816 at 09-22-2011 12:37 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
You do. Or I do. Or whoever is doing, does.

What's with you kids and this refusal to think with your own minds? Must everything be handed to you in Official Approved form? What will you do when you finally have to start assuming responsibility for yourselves?

(or will you simply allow there to be formed for you an adult world to follow-through with your childhood one, wherein all responsibility is taken on for you by Authority, and you can simply move through your days snug in the grip of someone else's plans?)
I guess you preempted me, too.







Post#2817 at 09-22-2011 12:38 PM by summer in the fall [at joined Jul 2011 #posts 1,540]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
It's up to the individual to decide, because (using Rani's term) it's their karma.
For various reasons later revealed, that discussion is closed. Best...







Post#2818 at 09-22-2011 12:40 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Hutch74 View Post
that somehow I ought to be on your posting schedule. I am not and will not post replys based on someone elses preferred schedule. Get used to it.
Darn. I was hoping to get this coordianted.







Post#2819 at 09-22-2011 12:42 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
Whatever, Justin. You didn't understand what I wrote. I don't want to fight with you (because it's pointless). So sure. You da man! Now find someone else to play with. Best...
He understood. You don't get that it's up to you to decide what "meaningful" means, not someone else.

I'll apologize if I'm wrong.







Post#2820 at 09-22-2011 12:44 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Semo '75 View Post
Sorry for the interruption.

In the scene from Analyze This that David was talking about, Billy Crystal's character, a psychiatrist, loses his temper and viciously lays into one of his patients in the midst of a session. However, it quickly becomes clear that the outburst is just a fantasy that he has conjured up, presumably because he is growing bored with his job. There's no killing involved; Crystal's character just fantasizes about what he'd really like to say to her.

Given that The Rani is a psychiatrist, it's obvious that David was suggesting that she takes out her frustrations with her job on the other posters here. I don't believe that at all, but it's obvious that's what he was getting at. It wasn't a death threat.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.
Then I apologize to Kaiser wrt to "killing."







Post#2821 at 09-22-2011 12:46 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by Aramea View Post
The new American Dream - a shit job and no beer but you're not gonna die! You should put this on a tshirt and make your fortune while there is still money in the economy.

No, I am not frothing at the mouth ...
Aramea. You start at the bottom, but you do better. Come on.







Post#2822 at 09-22-2011 12:50 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
They also own 90% of the wealth, whether non-productive (their private abodes, horses, luxury vehicles, antiques) or productive. The share of national income is nearly a half, and until at least 2006 that share has risen steadily since the 1970s. Most of the income of the super-rich comes from cash-cow investments. It is far easier and less disruptive to tax those than it is to tax income that people get the hard way -- such as low-wage labor.
Pbrower2a, the top 10% do not own 90% of the wealth or get 90% of the income.

Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
If they want their workforce to be productive they will need to pay taxes to support schools for the working poor, freeways for their impoverished employees to travel upon, medical care for their employees, and of course military defense of "American interests abroad" (meaning their investments overseas) -- unless they are to start paying their "help" well enough that that help can pay taxes based on ability to pay.
They do, but these things benefit everyone. But the top 10% pay most of the taxes.

Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Taxing the poor is not worth the effort unless on "sin" taxes (booze, cancerweed) that encourages people to spend elsewhere, or as 'user fees' (gas taxes). We are at a fork in the road... and we will have to choose, as a whole, between a fascist order (modern technology and Bolshevist terror in the service of reactionary interests), a socialistic welfare state, a capitalist system that pays workers equitably, or a Marxist revolution. This is a Crisis Era, as if you didn't notice, one in which current trends in economics and politics are unsustainable due to their absurdity and amorality that create inefficacy and widespread distress.
Actually, a good part of the tax cut hole comes from the drop in the rate from 15% down to 10%.







Post#2823 at 09-22-2011 12:50 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Summer. The top 10% pay most of the Federal Income taxes in this country.
That's because they have most of the income. also, I don't think your statistic includes payroll taxes.
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Quote Originally Posted by Wallace 88 View Post
Aramea. You start at the bottom, but you do better. Come on.
Underemployment is becoming a very real problem for people. You start better and sink to the bottom.







Post#2825 at 09-22-2011 12:53 PM by Wallace 88 [at joined Dec 2010 #posts 1,232]
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Quote Originally Posted by summer in the fall View Post
You did not address "castles and landed gentry".
Castles and landed gentry are an issue of real estate, not dividend bearing stocks. We could discuss real estate, but the answers the same. I don't have how they got the real estate. They could have got it selling sea shells by the sea shore. So what?
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