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Post#4101 at 07-17-2013 02:02 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Our Governor just signed this bill that was putting him in between a rock and a hard place. Yet another victory for the insurance industry.

Bottom line - "Potter says the intention of the original legislation is good, but several amendments added to the bill made it benefit insurance companies, not patients."


Former health insurance CEO turned watchdog says telemedicine bill will harm consumers

July 3, 2013 By Jessica Machetta
A former health insurance executive is telling folks how insurance companies have made billions at the cost of consumer health. Now he says a healthcare bill in Missouri is a bad one. Wendell Potter used to be an executive with Humana and Cigna. Now he talks to policy makers and the public about how reform is necessary. He says Gov. Jay Nixon faces a dilemma. Should he sign a bill intended to help people get coverage or veto it because of amendments that benefit insurers instead of the public?

Potter says the bill would enable insurers to achieve one of their top objectives: converting HMOs into high-deductible plans. Nixon has not indicated whether he will sign the bill or veto it. If he does nothing, it will automatically become law after July 15th.

Potter says the bill does many things, and one is that it defines how the federal government can hire “navigators” to help uninsured people navigate their way through the federal healthcare plan. He says and amendment says those navigators must be licensed as agents or brokers, and that would be a major victory for those agents and brokers who are already concerned that their incomes might take a hit when people start shopping for insurance on the online health insurance marketplaces or exchanges that states must have up and running by Oct. 1.
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Post#4102 at 07-17-2013 02:26 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
Our Governor just signed this bill that was putting him in between a rock and a hard place. Yet another victory for the insurance industry.

Bottom line - "Potter says the intention of the original legislation is good, but several amendments added to the bill made it benefit insurance companies, not patients."
A Democrat in Missouri would have to say things like that to have a chance at staying in office. Duh.

If it goes well, he'll be all over it as his idea; if it doesn't in Missouri, he'll be able to distance himself.

Welcome to the real world.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
Please - STOP referring to health insurance plans as "healthcare." They are no such thing!

"Healthcare" is what the clinic or emergency room or your very own primary care practitioner (or the village wisewoman) does.

These 'healthcare plans' are convoluted and baroque mechanisms to *pay for* such care, not to provide it.

And - by covering the smallest of expenses ("You paid $7.00 for this medication. Your insurance paid $5.29." Good grief, people, is that worth the cost of the paperwork?!?!?) and failing to cover the catastrophic cases for which insurance is really needed, they don't even function the way real insurance does!

But what they do, is distort the real price of the care, to the point where you need to hire an expert to tell you that you can save several thousand dollars by going to this medical center instead of that one, with the heaviest burden falling on the cash customer.

So - let's have a little rectification of names here?
yea? Try going to the hospital and tell them you have no health insurance. See what kind, and how long you have to wait, until that magical health care pony comes along and gives you a ride, sister.

If you're on Medicare or Medicaid, tell them you're a foreigner and have no coverage - prepare to have the door slam you in the butt as you're escorted out of your "health care."
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Post#4104 at 07-17-2013 03:05 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
Please - STOP referring to health insurance plans as "healthcare." They are no such thing!
Nope, not a chance of that. He knows full well that if he gives up that one fig leaf, his whole game is over.

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As the above response from him makes abundantly clear.
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Nope, not a chance of that. He knows full well that if he gives up that one fig leaf, his whole game is over.

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As the above response from him makes abundantly clear.

I was wondering when the captain of the magic ponies would stick his head up to blubber the usual drive by. I guess it takes awhile to get it out of one's own rear end.

You should at least be clear to the other inhabitants of magic pony land that your solution to getting people affordable health care is to remind them that they have the freedom to 'not get sick or injure.' And then pass them some freedom fries.
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Post#4106 at 07-17-2013 08:13 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
You should at least be clear to the other inhabitants of magic pony land that your solution to getting people affordable health care is to remind them that they have the freedom to 'not get sick or injure.' And then pass them some freedom fries.
Actually, I've made my opinion on the subject known, directly to you in fact, several times. Naturally, it's not even remotely what you want to attribute to me. But w/e... strawmen are the only kind you stand a chance against.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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It's been a year, let's count the way!

It's been a year since the last reimbursement to policy holders under Obamacare and tomorrow we'll get the news again from Obama that around 8.5 million people will be getting a rebate on their insurance premiums averaging $100 each. Or about $1 billion.

This is a result of the ACA requirment that at least 80% (individual plans) or 85% (group plans) of every premium dollar has to go to actual HEALTH CARE or be refunded to policy holders.

Now in this same past year, how much savings has the drum circle provided on health care to the American people?

How about those pursuing the knitting circle approach?

Okay, at least our folks pursuing the freedom fries approach - surely they've gotten a health care nickel saved here and there for our citizens?

Waiting, waiting, waiting.

Okay, cue the crickets.
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Post#4108 at 07-18-2013 12:08 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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A pretty rational and sober look at what's

gong on and what's coming -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ra-klein&clsrd

Wonkbook: 10 things I learned reporting on Obamacare
By Ezra Klein and Evan Soltas, Published: July 18 at 8:04 am

Sarah Kliff and I have spent the last three months interviewing dozens of Obama administration officials, state-level implementers, outside experts, steadfast critics and pretty much anyone else we could think of who’s involved in setting up Obamacare. The full article going deep inside the effort to implement Obamacare is here, but as a bit of a teaser, here are 10 of my takeaways from the reporting:

1) For the White House, it’s all about the marketplaces. The White House believes the line between success and failure is perfectly clear: It’s getting enough young and healthy people to sign up for the insurance marketplaces (or “exchanges”) so premiums remain low. If seven million people sign up for the marketplaces in 2014, as CBO expects, then they need 2.7 million younger, healthier folks. Getting those folks is the administration’s top priority. If they get that right, the rest of the law — including the Medicaid expansion — will more or less fall into place.

Anything required to meet that goal — like making the data architecture work — is a priority. Anything that distracts from it, or is unrelated to it — like the employer mandate — is expendable.

2) It’s a lot like the campaign. If you listen to the White House describe the task, it sounds just like the campaign. A majority of these younger, healthier adults are non-white. They skew male. One-of-three lives in Texas, California, or New York. They’re getting microtargeted and heat-mapped and modeled. The guy running this part of the effort is David Simas, the guy who ran polling and focus groups for the re-election campaign.

This gives Team Obama a lot of confidence that they’ve got this one. Key quote: “When I hear the conventional wisdom about Obamacare,” said Jeanne Lambrew, deputy assistant to the president for health policy, “this is the difference between the Karl Roves who put their fingers to the wind and the Nate Silvers of the world who looked at the numbers.”

But there’s one big way in which it’s not like the campaign: Voting is free. Buying health insurance isn’t.

3) Don’t forget IT. The biggest difference between the national conversation over Obamacare and the ground-level conversation over Obamacare is the degree to which the second focuses on the IT challenge.

Making the IT work is very, very hard. It means building a data hub that lets federal-government systems from different departments and agencies talk to archaic state Medicaid systems and new state exchange systems and so on. If that data hub doesn’t work then someone trying to sign up for Obamacare will be stopped by an error message. And if Obamacare loses too many of those people on their first try, it may not be able to get them back for a second.

4) No one knows how to model politics. If you look at the experience of Massachusetts, or you talk to the people who model the way people act when buying insurance, the Affordable Care Act should be fine. The numbers work out. But no one knows the degree to which the politics around the law will change the way consumers react to it.

5) But maybe the politics won’t really matter. It’s always worth remembering that everyone in Washington is really weird. Most of the country doesn’t care much about Obamacare. They don’t have particularly strong feelings about it. And they’re never going to come into contact with something called “Obamacare,’ anyway.

In California, it’s called “Covered California.” In Connecticut, it’s “Health Access CT.” In Washington, it’s “WA State HealthPlanFinder.” People signing up for Medicaid will be signing up for the program called Medicaid. People in Washington experience Obamacare as a political abstraction and project that onto the country. That act of projection might be a huge mistake.


6) There will be glitches. It doesn’t matter how good a job the administration or the states do. Things will go wrong. When they go wrong, the media will cover them. No major program has ever rolled out without glitches. Even if 2014 goes well for Obamacare, it’s not likely to go easily.

7) Glitches may not really matter. Take it from Mark McClellan, who led Medicare and Medicaid during the troubled implementation of Medicare Part D. “The memories didn’t last that long. In the end, it comes down to how good the insurance coverage is.”

Fun Medicare Part D fact: Months before it launched in 2006, Medicare Part D was less popular than today’s Affordable Care Act: Only 21 percent of the public viewed it favorably.

8) Different states will have wildly different experiences. California accepted the Medicaid expansion, chose to build its own exchange, is spending state money to promote the law, and is generally doing everything in its power to make Obamacare work. Texas rejected the Medicaid expansion, left the exchange to the feds, and the state’s key politicians are out there talking down the law. It’s very possible Obamacare will be a success in states like California and a failure in states like Texas. How the politics of that shake out is anyone’s guess.

9) No one knows quite what to do in states that aren’t expanding Medicaid. In those states, the poorest residents will get no help but slightly less-poor residents will get lots of help. That’s confusing for everyone involved — and a real challenge to the people trying to sign folks up for the law. How do you tell someone they’re too poor to be eligible for subsidies?

Nor is anyone really certain what will happen to the hospital systems in those states, as they’re losing out on a lot of money they were counting on. The administration’s theory is that if the law is seen as relatively successful, the economics of participating in the Medicaid expansion are so overwhelmingly favorable to the states that they’ll fall in line. But no one really knows what’ll happen in that first year or two, nor who will be blamed for the resulting mess.

10) State regulators are exhausted. When you talk to the Obama administration, you get a serene confidence that Obamacare is going great. When you talk to the Obama administration’s critics, you get a serene confidence that the law is collapsing under its own weight. When you talk to the state bureaucrats, technical specialists, and assorted other implementers, you get a harried download on just how much there is to do.

“In 2011, there was this ‘we’re going to save the world’ mentality,” said Rebecca Pearce, executive director of the Maryland Health Benefit Exchange. “In 2013, it focuses more on how do we deliver on the requirements of the law.”
The likely blandness of the ACA rollout must be terrifying to those, Left as well as Right, who have preached so long about it causing the end of the world.

And a graphic about the eventual blandness of what everyone has been yelling about -

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Post#4109 at 07-18-2013 12:33 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Krugman -

- gets it.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...rst-nightmare/

Obamacare Is the Right’s Worst Nightmare

News from New York: it looks as if insurance premiums on the individual market are going to plunge thanks to Obamacare. This shouldn’t come as a surprise; in fact, the New York experience perfectly illustrates why Obamacare had to look the way it does. And it also illustrates why conservatives should be terrified about this legislation, as it takes effect. Americans may have had a lot of misgivings in advance, thanks to vast, deliberately spread misinformation. But I agree with Matt Yglesias — unless the GOP finds even more ways to sabotage the plan, this thing is going to work, it’s going to be extremely popular, and it’s going to wreak havoc with conservative ideology.

To understand what’s happening in New York, you have to start with what almost everyone at least pretends to believe: Americans shouldn’t find it impossible to get health insurance because of pre-existing conditions that aren’t their fault. Two decades ago, New York tried to deal with this by imposing community rating: insurance is available to everyone, and the price doesn’t depend on your medical history.

The problem was that this created a death spiral: young, healthy people didn’t buy insurance, worsening the risk pool, driving up premiums, driving out more relatively healthy people, etc., until you were left with a rump of very ill people paying very high rates.

How do you deal with this? Well, ideally, Medicare for all. But since that wasn’t going to happen, you improve the risk pool by requiring everyone to buy insurance — the individual mandate. And since some people won’t be able to afford that, you also offer subsidies. Voila! ObamaRomneycare!

Where does the money for the subsidies come from? Partly by reducing corporate welfare: reducing overpayments for Medicare Advantage, reducing tax breaks for very generous insurance plans; partly with new taxes on the wealthy.

And while a few people will be hurt — young, healthy individuals too affluent to qualify for subsidies, wealthy taxpayers, etc. — a much larger number of people will be helped, some of them enormously.

Does this amount to “redistribution”? Well, yes — not as an end in itself, but yes, a lot of people will be made better off at the expense of an affluent few.

And Yglesias is right: there will be bobbles along the way, but this is going to become an immensely popular program. By the time Liz Cheney challenges Hillary Clinton’s reelection campaign, there will be signs at the rallies declaring “Don’t let the government get its hands on Obamacare!”

Conservatives are right to be hysterical about this: it’s an attack on everything they believe — and it’s going to make Americans’ lives better. What could be worse?
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_1...care-repealed/

A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.

According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it...

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
-[Krugman] gets it...
-Gonorrhea?







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_1...care-repealed/

A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.

According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it...



-Gonorrhea?
Like he said -

Conservatives are right to be hysterical about this: it’s an attack on everything they believe — and it’s going to make Americans’ lives better. What could be worse?
- just imagine how desperate you will be a year from now. It will be hysterical.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Like he said - just imagine how desperate you will be a year from now. It will be hysterical.
-All 54% who hate the law, and the 39% who want it repealed outright. If it survives that long...







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-All ...desperate blubber blubber...
hysterically funny, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
hysterically funny, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
-I wonder if that's what PW and the Left will be saying a year from now. After all, there's a reason the Obamanation suddenly wants key provisions of the law delayed.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-I wonder if that's what PW and the Left will be saying a year from now. After all, there's a reason the Obamanation suddenly wants key provisions of the law delayed.
you think the employer mandate was a key provision???

I guess I'll have to hope some intelligent people come over to this thread too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
you think the employer mandate was a key provision???

I guess I'll have to hope some intelligent people come over to this thread too.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
"If you want to keep your insurance, you can do that!"







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
"If you want to keep your insurance, you can do that!"
Yep, and we both are.

You could get off of your govt teat and likely now qualify for one of the ACA subsidies or the expanded Medicaid teats if you move to a better state, but you don't have to do that if your current suckling is fine. Freedom fries live on!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yep, and we both are.

You could get off of your govt teat and likely now qualify for one of the ACA subsidies or the expanded Medicaid teats if you move to a better state, but you don't have to do that if your current suckling is fine. Freedom fries live on!
1) Does PW actually understand the mandate? Nope. 2) What teat? That implies unearned. To what does he refer?







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
1) Does PW actually understand the mandate? Nope.
Really? Then explain it to me and why it is key. This should be fun

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
2) What teat? That implies unearned. To what does he refer?
No one's suggesting the baby didn't earn his teat. It's still a teat, however.

I'm just pointing out that the ACA is giving you options to latch onto another one or two depending on your dexterity. Now that's Freedom Fries!
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[http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_1...care-repealed/

A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.

According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it...

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Really? Then explain it to me and why it is key. ..
-PW must not have noticed all the full-time hiring has suddenly shifted to part-time. He has no idea why...

PW must have forgot the Teleprompter-in-Chief's promise "If you like, and want to keep your insurance, you can!"

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
No one's suggesting the baby didn't earn his teat...
-Baby's don't earn anything. They're completely dependent. He should know, being a trust fund baby and all that...

Now what was he saying about me?







Post#4121 at 07-24-2013 04:03 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
[http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505267_1...care-repealed/

A new CBS News poll finds more Americans than ever want the Affordable Care Act repealed.

According to the poll, 36 percent of Americans want Congress to expand or keep the health care law while 39 percent want Congress to repeal it - the highest percentage seen in CBS News polls. The poll also found a majority of Americans - 54 percent - disapprove of the health care law, 36 percent of Americans approve of it and 10 percent said they don't know about it...



-PW must not have noticed all the full-time hiring has suddenly shifted to part-time. He has no idea why...

PW must have forgot the Teleprompter-in-Chief's promise "If you like, and want to keep your insurance, you can!"



-Baby's don't earn anything. They're completely dependent. He should know, being a trust fund baby and all that...

Now what was he saying about me?
You're the baby.

Don't ask me if you earned it, ask mom, she's the one with the supply. Mom's just giving you more choices.

Freedom Fries!
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Post#4122 at 07-24-2013 04:05 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
You're the baby...
-No, there's one proud trust fund baby on the 4TF, and it's not me. Oh, I mean FORMER trust fund baby.







Post#4123 at 07-24-2013 04:09 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-No, there's one proud trust fund baby on the 4TF, and it's not me. Oh, I mean FORMER trust fund baby.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz
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“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#4124 at 07-29-2013 01:43 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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oh darn, more lies -

from the Right as well as the Far Left shot down -

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...-of-obamacare/


STUDY: Very Few Employers Have Actually Cut Workers’ Hours Because Of Obamacare

...Obamacare requires firms that have 50 or more employees to provide a minimum level of health coverage to their full-time workers — defined as those who work 30 hours or more per week — or pay a $2,000 per employee fine after the first 30 workers. Since the overwhelming majority of companies that size already offer health care benefits, the provision only affects about 10,000 firms. Nonetheless, reform critics have latched onto the narrative that the requirement is a job-killer, citing the example of retail and service sector companies like Regal Theaters that are cutting back hours to avoid paying for workers’ health care benefits.

The CEPR report shows that to be a minority position among larger employers. Since 30 hours per week is the threshold for employees receiving benefits under the law, researchers expected companies that didn’t want to comply with Obamacare to roll back workers’ hours to just below that threshold. But only about 0.6 percent of the labor force worked between 26 and 29 hours per week in 2013. Since 2012, the number of part-time employees working that range of hours actually stayed statistically the same. Furthermore, less than a third of workers say they are working less than 30 hours because of an employers’ decision — most choose to work the limited number of hours. That led the authors to conclude that the trend “is in the wrong direction for the ACA as job-killer story.”

“While there may certainly be instances of individual employers carrying through with threats to reduce their employees’ hours to below 30 to avoid the sanctions in the ACA, the numbers are too small to show up in the data,” the CEPR researchers write. “It appears that in setting worker hours employers are responding to business considerations in much the same way as they did before the ACA took effect.”

Researchers also contend that the Obama administration’s recent decision to delay the employer coverage requirement by a year should have little effect on the numbers, since it was only announced earlier this month.

Companies had been shifting towards part-time workers and cutting those workers’ benefits long before the health care law was around, and part-time employment has been propping up the economic recovery. But as this report shows, few firms are changing their workers’ hours in the way one would expect them to if they were really that worried about Obamacare.
- more hysteria and lies shot down, but listen for those apologies for such behavior....

cue the crickets.
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“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#4125 at 07-29-2013 01:49 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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opps, the 'horrors' keep piling up -

- for the Right and Far Left on Obamacare!

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013...care-premiums/

Growing Number Of States Are Reporting Lower Than Expected Health Care Premiums

Health premiums in Maryland’s exchanges will be “among the lowest of the 12 states that have available proposed or approved rates for comparison,” the state’s exchange — Maryland Health Connection — announced Friday. The news comes just as New York,Oregon, Montana, California, and Louisiana are also reporting lower than expected premiums.

In Maryland, a 25-year-old will be able to purchase a plan that is more comprehensive than policies currently available on the individual market for $114 per month, while a middle aged adult will have to pay approximately $260 per month for insurance. A 21-year-old non-smoker can start as low as $93 a month. Officials say they used their authority to deny rate increases to reduce the proposed premiums by “more than 50 percent.” Thirty other states have have similar authority.

The prices Marylanders will pay are lower than the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) anticipated, but do cost more than the bare-bones plans that are available today. Residents will have a choice of nine insurance carriers and three out of four people purchasing coverage through the exchange will qualify for tax credits, further reducing the cost of coverage. Nationally, 6 million out of the 7 million people who are expected to enroll in 2014 will receive subsidies.

“Historically, insurance carriers have been allowed to turn down people with pre-existing conditions and allow only the healthiest individuals into their plans,” said Rebecca Pearce, Executive Director of the Maryland Health Benefit Exchange. “In 2014, that will change, and 740,000 Marylanders will have new access to health coverage with more robust benefits.

Earlier this week, the Connecticut exchange announced that since a new insurer lowered its projected premiums, “the average cost for an individual-market HealthyCT plan dropped by 36 percent, from $427 per month to $271.” In Nevada, preliminary costs find that strong competition between insurers in some areas of the state will lower individuals’ premiums.

The news is on track with a report from the Department of Health and Human Services, which found that “the lowest cost silver plan in the individual market in 2014 is, on average, 18 percent less expensive” than past projections.
It's so sad.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
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