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Post#4376 at 10-01-2013 07:56 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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reporting in

Okay, let's get those reports in now that the world as we know it has ended.

Here in the Big Apple (which is usually where all big disaster get started - see King Kong, etc), our electricity is on and the water is still running. Cars, buses and trucks seem to be running. I can see people heading to the subway (word spreads pretty fast when even one station is closed). The Internet is working; I tried numerous sites just in case they are fooling us with only a select few being allowed.

I checked on my mom who is not only a grandmother but a great-grandmother, and no death panel collection agency has shown up at her door. She's checking around with her peers now but so far, it looks like they haven't gotten to Manhattan as yet. She can be pretty tough so maybe that's a factor in the delay.

Also no Blackhawk heli's swooping in to grab folks Freedom Fries, but I sort of felt that would start first in places like Idaho. We'll see as the day goes on.

The cat is taking no interest in the dog, as usual, but we got an eye on her.

Speaking of cats, PrinceKitty is still doing his nonsensical drive-bys. And last we heard, Rani is still wallowing in her misery. Situation normal.

Anyone else ready and able to report in on the Obamacare end of the world? Did we wake up to CEOs and corporations getting rich for the first time, like for-ever?

Zombies, anyone?
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Post#4377 at 10-01-2013 08:20 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Oh, by the way -

http://www.kens5.com/news/business/H...225947921.html


Health insurance marketplace opens; tips for signing up
It's around 3 pages application. Does any one notice what is missing from it?
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Not one single question about your existing health.
The world has changed.
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Post#4378 at 10-01-2013 09:44 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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The poltical ball-breaker cometh

Imagine -

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...014-97588.html

Stakeholders will be spending big on 2014 ACA ads

If you think you’re seeing a lot of Obamacare ads right now, just wait until 2014.

No other piece of legislation has engendered such massive ad efforts as the Affordable Care Act, say marketing experts. They expect television ad spending to double in the next year and a half as people start to enroll for coverage and the health law remains a top political issue in House, Senate and gubernatorial races in 2014.

That will put ad spending close to the $1 billion mark, Kantar Media projects. And that’s just television — print and online will boost it even higher.

One reason for the big bucks is there are so many different kinds of stakeholders in the Obamacare fight. It’s not just ideological proponents and opponents battling over messaging with an eye on 2014 voters. Some of the ads are from state and federal governments trying to clear up confusion and get people to enroll in the health insurance exchanges that go live Tuesday. And some are from health insurers and other commercial groups that have a stake in getting people — potential clients — to get covered.

“It’s really unprecedented what we’re going to see,” said Dhavan Shah, director of the Mass Communication Research Center at the University of Wisconsin. “It’s going to be vast amounts of spending to get people inside [the exchanges], … but you’ve got tremendous political opposition on the right. It cuts both ways.”

States, insurers and the federal government are all joining the battle playing out over the airwaves and cyberspace to control what people hear about the health care law as the six-month open enrollment season starts. The online ads play a double role; they can both message and, with a simple click, take people directly to the exchange sign-up portals.

And politically, both sides are going to try to seize control of the message. There is probably going to be a lot of state-to-state variation on how well the rollout and the first year of health coverage goes — and part of that will reflect decisions that governors and legislatures have made about whether to run an exchange or have the feds do it and whether to expand Medicaid or leave some of the poorest people in the state uncovered. And that will become campaign fodder.

With 36 governors races plus a bunch of competitive House and Senate seats for which the health law will be a front-and-center factor, the ad wars will be big and bitter.


Nearly a half-billion dollars has been spent on Obamacare-themed advertising since the law passed three and a half years ago. Most of that was for critical ads from the National Republican Congressional Committee, Crossroads GPS and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, according to an analysis by Kantar Media. The Department of Health and Human Services was the only major advertiser on the advocate side, spending nearly $80 million.

But Kantar projects that spending to reach $1 billion by March 2015, the law’s fifth anniversary.

Where that money gets spent will be determined by the competitiveness of states’ House and Senate races, whether state officials have welcomed the law’s provisions and how many residents stand to benefit from it.

“Republicans will get Democrats on it; you could have Democrats advertising on it depending on where they are,” said Elizabeth Wilner, vice president of Kantar’s Campaign Media Analysis Group. “Then you overlay that with states that are home to high proportions of uninsured people.”

Medicare and Medicaid are the most comparable to the Affordable Care Act — but little data exists on how much advertising they generated. And neither program invoked near the level of friction surrounding the health care law. Plus, political culture was different decades before Twitter, cable, the Drudge Report and HuffPo.

Republicans in Washington may not stop trying to defund, delay or dismantle Obamacare, but the arguments may change after the sign-up starts. Even the president says he expects “hiccups” and glitches.
The GOP is going to run political ads against Obamacare at the same time that the exchanges and the insurers are running ads to get people to sign up. That conflict will be fun to watch.

However, more importantly, by the time the 2014 campaign ads get going in late Summer, millions of people will be very pleased with having gotten their health insurance, many for the first time, at reasonable rates with many being subsidized. The GOP ads are going to try and sell that as being bad? I mean how many of their sheeple are going to be directly benefiting or have a family member or friend directly benefiting?

So they'll need to pivot to - 'This is too costly, the govt is going to go bankrupt!'

Except the federal deficit is going down, forecasts are for it to go down even more in 2014 and 2015, and a big reason for that is Obamacare - even Paul Ryan's budget keeps the many revenue generating aspects of Obamacare to get his 'balanced budget.'

Just how stupid does the GOP think there sheeple are?

Oh crap, I forgot. Never mind about that possible bright note.

On the other hand, those that could have gotten Medicaid except for a-hole GOP governors and state legislators? A group not know for high voter turn out, but with now obvious facts of how they're getting screwed by their GOP state governments? Then those that are eligible for the exchanges, particularly those that could get subsidies, in those states where in becomes obvious their GOP state governments didn't lift a hand to help? Hmm, I sure like to be involved in the voter registration drives in those states (can Wendy Davis say 'huge unregistered Hispanic voters in Texas'?).

Can we say 'Setting the stage for the 2020 Census redistricting?'
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Post#4379 at 10-01-2013 09:46 AM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
It's around 3 pages application. Does any one notice what is missing from it?
Yeah, a working application. It's three pages just to create an account to start an application, but the system isn't letting anyone actually create an account.
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May the voices of those being left out of healthcare continue to speak up. To merely settle for a broken system is not the way to a health care that works for all.

"In Colorado alone, after Obamacare's exchange is up and running, as estimated 400,000 people will remain uninsured and hundreds of thousands more will be under-insured. These people will not be from among the poorest of the poor or the wealthy classes. It will be more working class people who continue to suffer for appropriate health care. Access to health insurance is not the same as access to health care. Large deductible, co-pays and out of pocket expenses will make many people unable to use the health coverage they must purchase to be compliant with the law. I know that's the case for me right now. $875/month for my Aetna coverage, and I cannot go get the care I need as a cancer patient. Talk about a broken system." Donna Smith
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Yeah, a working application. It's three pages just to create an account to start an application...
Only three pages to set up an account to be able to start filling out an application? That's really not too bad, as far as that kind of thing goes.
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Post#4382 at 10-01-2013 10:07 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Yeah, a working application. It's three pages just to create an account to start an application, but the system isn't letting anyone actually create an account.
Really? That would be big news today.

You should report your experience to Sarah Kliff, one of the writers on Ezra Klein's Post blog - it is probable the most read material on the ACA of anything and that includes the White House. She's made the offer here -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...y-let-us-know/

Are you shopping for Obamacare today? Let us know!
Or, you could stay here and help Rani disperse some of her misery today (Can you imagine how bad she's going to feel on Jan. 1 when millions actually get their new health insurance coverage?! All of us on her support group should just consider this time as a warm-up.)
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Post#4383 at 10-01-2013 10:12 AM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Serious (not rhetorical) question, how do you feel now about your "lesser of two evils" choice last November?
Between the giant douche and the turd sandwich? Obama certainly comes off as less evil than Romney, but I was mostly trying to campaign on the local & state elections. Which didn't work out well, because we've got a circus in Raleigh. GOP ran on an anti-gay platform and passed the marriage amendment 61%-39%. They also made it a lot harder for students and poor people to vote.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Really? That would be big news today.

You should report your experience to Sarah Kliff, one of the writers on Ezra Klein's Post blog - it is probable the most read material on the ACA of anything and that includes the White House. She's made the offer here -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...y-let-us-know/
Did you even bother to read the comments?

Not ready for Prime time.
"System unavailable"

Couldn't log into the system. I have seen the rate tables elsewhere and doubt the ACA will offer me a better option than my (overpriced) ultra-catastrophic private insurance.

Tried to view the available plans on DC Website and got NOTHING. Keep asking for my DOB and never listed any plans...GREAT!

in less than thirty seconds on the website, I received an "access denied" warning when trying to access "Get your options & info"

Yes! Fortunately I can afford the platinum PPO plan, so that's what I'm getting. (No subsidies for me).



Hey, one person's happy! Of course, they can afford the platinum plan without subsidies.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.

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Post#4385 at 10-01-2013 10:22 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
May the voices of those being left out of healthcare continue to speak up. To merely settle for a broken system is not the way to a health care that works for all.

"In Colorado alone, after Obamacare's exchange is up and running, as estimated 400,000 people will remain uninsured and hundreds of thousands more will be under-insured. These people will not be from among the poorest of the poor or the wealthy classes. It will be more working class people who continue to suffer for appropriate health care. Access to health insurance is not the same as access to health care. Large deductible, co-pays and out of pocket expenses will make many people unable to use the health coverage they must purchase to be compliant with the law. I know that's the case for me right now. $875/month for my Aetna coverage, and I cannot go get the care I need as a cancer patient. Talk about a broken system." Donna Smith
Can you or Donna Smith back up those assertions with facts?

Who are these 400,000 uninsured? Illegal immigrants? I have no problem with insuring them or giving them health care, but a lot of people do and for you and Donna to fail to mention that is the height of hypocrisy and flat out lying.

And what do you and Donna Smith mean by under-insured? Define it? And how does it compare to what was before the ACA and the resulting Coloradon Health Exchange.

Before today, Debs, you could get away with these pie-in-the-sky assertions but now you're going to have to peddle your horse dung in the context of the reality of the ACA rolled out and people actually seeing what it has to offer them personally. Better get use to it fast.

For those in Colorado that don't want to wait for Deb's magic pony to poop single payer or her magic unicorns that will poop perfect health and no death, you might want to check this reality -

http://connectforhealthco.com/

Connect for Health Colorado
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Between the giant douche and the turd sandwich? Obama certainly comes off as less evil than Romney, but I was mostly trying to campaign on the local & state elections. Which didn't work out well, because we've got a circus in Raleigh. GOP ran on an anti-gay platform and passed the marriage amendment 61%-39%. They also made it a lot harder for students and poor people to vote.
You're in NC?!

May God be with you.
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“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Did you even bother to read the comments?

Not ready for Prime time.
"System unavailable"

Couldn't log into the system. I have seen the rate tables elsewhere and doubt the ACA will offer me a better option than my (overpriced) ultra-catastrophic private insurance.

Tried to view the available plans on DC Website and got NOTHING. Keep asking for my DOB and never listed any plans...GREAT!

in less than thirty seconds on the website, I received an "access denied" warning when trying to access "Get your options & info"

Yes! Fortunately I can afford the platinum PPO plan, so that's what I'm getting. (No subsidies for me).



Hey, one person's happy! Of course, they can afford the platinum plan without subsidies.
Actually, no. Did you notice the first comment was at 9:51 am today? I had already moved on. You do know that I live in NYC; have you ever heard the expression "in a NY minute."

Fortunately, I'm long past both the discovery that trying to be helpful can be unrewarding and the disappointment of that discovery.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Affordable Shit Act
PoS
C >> S in both
This misery thing has now got you talking in tongues?!

You need to look into this, SOON!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Fortunately, I'm long past both the discovery that trying to be helpful can be unrewarding and the disappointment of that discovery.
UNfortunately, I am almost 2 hours in to waiting on hold with BCBS, refreshing a broken website, and I am not one inch closer to learning what plans are available or if I'll still be insured in three months!

I'm really thinking it will be easier and cheaper to just drop my coverage. Yeah yeah, what about a worst-case scenario? What if I fall off a car, into a bullet, and get cancer on the way to the hospital? Insurance or not, the out of pocket costs associated with getting sick are well, well beyond my means.
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.

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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
UNfortunately, I am almost 2 hours in to waiting on hold with BCBS, refreshing a broken website, and I am not one inch closer to learning what plans are available or if I'll still be insured in three months!

I'm really thinking it will be easier and cheaper to just drop my coverage. Yeah yeah, what about a worst-case scenario? What if I fall off a car, into a bullet, and get cancer on the way to the hospital? Insurance or not, the out of pocket costs associated with getting sick are well, well beyond my means.
If you get laid up, you will have plenty of time to consider the consequences of your choice.
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Is the healthcare.gov website being inundated today a:

- good sign of tremendous demand for the Obamacare,
- a bad sign of govt incompetence, or
- a little of both?

What will matter most over the next several months?
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
I'm really thinking it will be easier and cheaper to just drop my coverage. Yeah yeah, what about a worst-case scenario? What if I fall off a car, into a bullet, and get cancer on the way to the hospital? Insurance or not, the out of pocket costs associated with getting sick are well, well beyond my means.
Yup. And those prices are the only part of the whole diseased, dysfunctional system that are being held sacrosanct.

Can't have Affordability in actual, you know, Care. Instead, pay for an insurance policy that might potentially help keep your penury from being quite so acute. That's pretty much the same thing, right? Or at least a step in that direction?
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Sounds like in that case you will be dead so you won't have to worry about it anyway.
So what's up with all the public options that are supposed to be available, are they now on hold because of the government shutdown?
First, don't put "public" in front of the options being offered today. You will confuse a lot of people. And Debs will be very very mad at you.

Shutdown should not have impacted this, but it will be used as an "out' for any problems.

I think the demand is huge and it's overwhelming the system.

It could also be the target of a huge hack attack. We'll see.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
If you get laid up, you will have plenty of time to consider the consequences of your choice.
When you go up against the wall, I certainly hope you remember behaving like this. Otherwise, I'm afraid you might find the whole thing inexplicable... and that'd be a hell of a way to check out.
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Yup. And those prices are the only part of the whole diseased, dysfunctional system that are being held sacrosanct.

Can't have Affordability in actual, you know, Care. Instead, pay for an insurance policy that might potentially help keep your penury from being quite so acute. That's pretty much the same thing, right? Or at least a step in that direction?
And now we're going to hear about your alternative?

Will it be the magic pony of single payer or the magic unicorn of never get sick and never die?

Or do we get the Libertarian solution of 'ah, just go F yourself'?

Inquiring minds and all that...
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Post#4396 at 10-01-2013 10:50 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
When you go up against the wall, I certainly hope you remember behaving like this. Otherwise, I'm afraid you might find the whole thing inexplicable... and that'd be a hell of a way to check out.
That's all you guys got left???

Too funny.
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Post#4397 at 10-01-2013 11:27 AM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
And now we're going to hear about your alternative?
I've made no secret these past... what is it now? three? four years?... of one particular alternative that actually does what the ACA was falsely presented to the people as doing. The one in the real world, really functioning, with real results. That last is one of the big differences between myself and liars like you -- accord with reality as versus your words, promises, and vapors.
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Post#4398 at 10-01-2013 11:28 AM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
So what's up with all the public options that are supposed to be available, are they now on hold because of the government shutdown?
Public option? Oh, no no no. That would be evil like communism. The Dems took that out way way back in the negotiations, long before the bill was passed the first time.

Forcing people to buy a private, overpriced product - that's what passes for liberalism in America.

So... it shouldn't be too surprising how much farther right our conservatives are from them.
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Post#4399 at 10-01-2013 11:46 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
It's funny how The Best Healthcare That Money Can Buy (i.e. the more money you spend the better care you get) is a concept so drilled into American brains that most people never question the underlying assumption.
ETA: Another one is "the more care you get, the healthier you are."
Yep, second only to this one -

"I got something better... that has a better chance than a snowball's in hell"

And you get to be all sanctimonious about it and never lift a finger to make it happen.

For those tired of this kind of horseshit, keep trying -

hearlthcare.gov

- join the tens of millions today who are expressing that they have a clue
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Post#4400 at 10-01-2013 11:49 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
I've made no secret these past... what is it now? three? four years?... of one particular alternative that actually does what the ACA was falsely presented to the people as doing. The one in the real world, really functioning, with real results. That last is one of the big differences between myself and liars like you -- accord with reality as versus your words, promises, and vapors.
Anyone who needs insurance, just go today to -

healthcare.gov

- you'll be there with apparently millions of others so have patience. You got three months to get this in place.

Oh, and see if I've been lying.

Those who want to wait for Justin's magic pony, magic unicorn or his 'go F yourself' -
- well, good luck to you as well.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
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