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Post#4501 at 10-02-2013 05:30 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
Sure there is: straight up robbery. When the contact breaks down, you got a lot of options. If Millennials future solvency is continued to be threatened by their parent's arguments and terrible ideas, they'll just consider the deal broken and plunder. Civics don't have that need for purity that prophets do. If their continued livelihood means pulling a heist in their parents, I more or less expect them to smile while they do it.
ooh, so scary! And it's still days before Halloween!
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Post#4502 at 10-02-2013 05:31 PM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Somebody making the medium income could likely financial survive the $6K hit; you do understand that is the limit that the ACA put in place - before that, it could be much higher and when your open enrollment came around the next year, you would be dropped like a hot potato. The ACA has made the ability to survive a catastrophic medical hit light years more likely for millions.
Let's play with real numbers instead of tossing around magic pony truisms...

The median gross household compensation is about $50,000.

15.2% goes to payroll*.
8% goes to insurance premiums**.
The average income tax rate of median households is another 5% (this includes all of your deductions, credits, etc...)
Let's low-ball it and say state & local taxes & fees average another 5%

That leaves $2800 a month, net, for expenses if everyone stays healthy. No problem.

But what happens when you actually need your insurance and start testing the OOP caps?

One person becoming seriously ill brings the net income down to $2300 - if no one loses income due to being sick. Two sick family members (or having a new child) brings net income to about $1800.

So... rent, food, clothing, utilities, transportation, communications... for $1800 a month? Forget about savings, 401ks, etc... $60 a day for 3-4 people is down to basic survival.

That's not a pretty picture for the median household, and the outlook doesn't really improve when you go lower than that. Most of the percentages involved stay fixed - except for the out of pocket costs that suddenly balloon to a much larger part of the lower-income household's budget.

*CBO is also recommending this number be increased to 19.1%, effective immediately. Yet another regressive tax increase in the land of billionaires.

**Doesn't include the other 4-5% that the government is paying to the insurer on their behalf.
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Post#4503 at 10-02-2013 05:31 PM by Kepi [at Northern, VA joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,664]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Losing one's faux worldview in the face of unrelenting facts is pretty traumatic.

I agree, move on, give that brain some rest, before you try stretching it again. You wouldn't want to hurt anything particularly if you're one of the boneheads that opt's out of Obamacare.
Bucket. That's your job. Bucket.







Post#4504 at 10-02-2013 05:34 PM by Copperfield [at joined Feb 2010 #posts 2,244]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
You put in writing that I'm lying about something that anyone can simple take 10 seconds to Google to see I'm not.
Actually I proved quite easily that you were lying. Not all of the people who generated the traffic that crippled the servers were interested in signing up for insurance. I even provided video proof.

The rest is you arguing with yourself over the things you want to believe. Sorry but I don't bargain with terrorists.







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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
I never suggested "going it alone." However that doesn't imply a contract between two people or groups of people, to the contrary. A contract implies that two or more parties agreed to conditions that benefit both. The system you so desperately want to keep pushing however will only ever benefit you. The other party (the rest of us) never agreed to the terms of that system. Indeed several folks here who are the most hurt by your crumbling system and your desperation to keep it afloat have been telling you exactly that. Your answer is still that younger folks should eagerly impale themselves on your sword simply for some silly notion that they owe you and that someday people who don't exist might owe them through a system that might not even exist by then. How dare you ask them to put their lives on hold so they can serve you.

No, I think you are going to have to cough up the goods yourselves this time. Think of it as a character-building-once-in-a-lifetime experience.



Those worthy of contempt I hold in contempt, those worthy of regard, I hold in regard. That's a standard practice for me regardless of the age of the individual. I noticed that you were very close to offering me the same courtesy right up to the very end when you felt the need to hold onto that tired, old fantasy comfort-blanket of the state owning "citizens." Ah yes, "basic citizenship." Give us what we want because we tell you to.

Rather than sitting across the table from each other as simple equals, you need additional conditions and caveats. That's unfortunate really.



No. For the first time in their lives, they need to be allowed to do as they please and let the chips fall where they may.
gad, what scantimonious horseshit trying to disguise itself as worldly wisdom.

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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Actually I proved quite easily that you were lying. Not all of the people who generated the traffic that crippled the servers were interested in signing up for insurance. I even provided video proof.

The rest is you arguing with yourself over the things you want to believe. Sorry but I don't bargain with terrorists.
So you really think finding some people out of 10 million hits; 2.something million people that signed on, just yesterday, proves it wasn't about traffic???

Crap, and I thought you were one of the brighter of the dim light bulbs here.

I thought this was just plain lying, but now I see that's giving you all too much credit.
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Post#4507 at 10-02-2013 05:51 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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For those who will need to shop the insurance market place, you might want to look at the non-profits. According to Wendell Potter, the health industry whistle blower and insurance company insider, these will be the best buys because they won't have the tremendous overhead and shareholders.

"One of the things apparent right off the bat is that some of the best deals will be offered by nonprofit health insurers, including the brand new co-op plans that will be available in about half the states. These plans will be lean and mean. They won’t have the enormous overhead costs of the big for-profit insurance corporations that I used to work for, and they won't have to charge extra for coverage just to satisfy the profit demands of shareholders. They won’t have shareholders." .... Wendell Potter
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Post#4508 at 10-02-2013 05:53 PM by annla899 [at joined Sep 2008 #posts 2,860]
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
For those who will need to shop the insurance market place, you might want to look at the non-profits. According to Wendell Potter, the health industry whistle blower and insurance company insider, these will be the best buys because they won't have the tremendous overhead and shareholders.

"One of the things apparent right off the bat is that some of the best deals will be offered by nonprofit health insurers, including the brand new co-op plans that will be available in about half the states. These plans will be lean and mean. They won’t have the enormous overhead costs of the big for-profit insurance corporations that I used to work for, and they won't have to charge extra for coverage just to satisfy the profit demands of shareholders. They won’t have shareholders." .... Wendell Potter
That sounds excellent.







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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
So you really think finding some people out of 10 million hits; 2.something million people that signed on, just yesterday, proves it wasn't about traffic???

Crap, and I thought you were one of the brighter of the dim light bulbs here.

I thought this was just plain lying, but now I see that's giving you all too much credit.
Again, this is you arguing with yourself. It's cute in a 5-year-old's attempt at logic sort of way. If you want to play in the adult world, I suggest you read the words used again. They were pretty clear to most everyone else.

If it makes you feel any better I do understand that it is very likely, when it comes to key IT concepts like network traffic, relational databases and server administration, that you are totally dumb as shit but I made it pretty easy to follow for the layperson.
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Post#4510 at 10-02-2013 08:01 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Again, this is you arguing with yourself. It's cute in a 5-year-old's attempt at logic sort of way. If you want to play in the adult world, I suggest you read the words used again. They were pretty clear to most everyone else.

If it makes you feel any better I do understand that it is very likely, when it comes to key IT concepts like network traffic, relational databases and server administration, that you are totally dumb as shit but I made it pretty easy to follow for the layperson.
Okay Mr. Hotshot IT, here ya go -

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/us...kets.html?_r=0

Officials said Wednesday that the federal exchange Web site, healthcare.gov, had 4.7 million unique visitors in its first 24 hours — many times as many as had ever visited, for example, the Medicare Web site in a single day — and that 190,000 people called the government call centers for the program. They said 104,000 visitors requested Web chats with enrollment counselors.
Give us one example of a first-time website that requires form application that faced anything like this onslaught on opening day.

[cue the crickets]

- this forum is like shooting fish in a barrel.... really really stupid fish.

Makes me smile.
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Quote Originally Posted by annla899 View Post
That sounds excellent.
I concur.
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Post#4512 at 10-02-2013 08:25 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Yea, baby -

CONNECTICUT: Health Care Plans Begin: 28,000-Plus Go Online To State Marketplace [Hartford Courant]

GEORGIA: Enrollment Sites Are Swamped On First Day [The Augusta Chronicle]

IDAHO: Idaho Health Exchange Launches With Few Hiccups [Idaho Statesman]

INDIANA: Insurance Marketplace Draws Strong Early Interest [Journal and Courier]

KENTUCKY: Kynect Opens To High Demand [The Courier-Journal] [...]

COLORADO: Heavy Traffic Slows Health Website On Debut Day [The Durango Herald]

FLORIDA: Website Are Overwhelmed As Many Log On, But Optimism Is Voiced [Tampa Bay Times]

ARIZONA: Health Markets Swamped On Day 1 [The Arizona Republic] [...]

ALABAMA: State Insurance Marketplace Swamped With Consumer Interest[The Anniston Star]

SOUTH CAROLINA Health Insurance Website Overwhelmed On First Day [The State] [...]

WISCONSIN: Wis. Residents Flood Exchanges [Stevens Point Journal] [...]

PENNSYLVANIA: A First-Day Rush On Health Care [The Philadelphia Inquirer] [...]
Glitches will come and go, but the millions of people are gonna keep a-comin!

Over 2 months before Dec deadline to get insurance on 1/1/14. Miss the deadline and you insurance just starts on 1/2/3 or the next day or the next.

Nearly half a year to go before the first open season closes.

Pity the poor misery cabal here that's praying the glitches will last than long.

Their tears make me smile.
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Post#4513 at 10-02-2013 09:13 PM by Copperfield [at joined Feb 2010 #posts 2,244]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Okay Mr. Hotshot IT, here ya go -

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/us...kets.html?_r=0



Give us one example of a first-time website that requires form application that faced anything like this onslaught on opening day.

[cue the crickets]

- this forum is like shooting fish in a barrel.... really really stupid fish.

Makes me smile.
Ah see you don't understand the concept of a "unique visitor" as it pertains to website traffic. It doesn't actually mean what you think it means. As I said, I understand that when it comes to this stuff you are totally dumb as shit (so is the NYT apparently).

And of course the whole "traffic" comparison thing is silly because as I made clear before, not all "traffic" to the site was there to buy so to speak. As for the even more silly attempt at dick-measuring web site traffic, there are a great many sites that handle way more unique visitors per day than Barrycare. If memory serves me the website for the 2012 London Olympic Games handled somewhere around 8 million unique visitors on opening day. To be fair, it shit the bed too. The site they used for ticket sales was hammered even worse and went down for more than a week.
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Post#4514 at 10-02-2013 09:24 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
Sure there is: straight up robbery. When the contact breaks down, you got a lot of options. If Millennials future solvency is continued to be threatened by their parent's arguments and terrible ideas, they'll just consider the deal broken and plunder. Civics don't have that need for purity that prophets do. If their continued livelihood means pulling a heist in their parents, I more or less expect them to smile while they do it.
This is simple. The few who take it all have made a pact with poor whites (mostly younger Boomers and early Xers) and a few sycophants to keep funneling the money to them. They have enough now to buy politicians and write their own regulations. Did your parents have anything to do with that? I suspect they didn't, unless they are part of the halleluiah chorus. If that’s the case, feel free to be pissed at them. It won’t fix anything though.

What’s needed is a large enough contingent of voters who will move the paradigm back toward the rest of us. We need massive spending programs that will create real jobs for the long haul. We also need to extract some of the wealth from the .01%, and taxes are about the only way to do that.

Look, I lived in a world that was much flatter than the one we occupy now. With what little capability I had, I fought against the free market, supply side wet dream – a lot of us did. But the rhetoric was mesmerizing, and it pulled a lot of otherwise sensible people far to the right. Cheering or fighting, we’ve come to this place. A lot more people realize it sucks, but going back will be hard. It won’t get easier the longer we all wait. While we’re still here to help, you may want to start moving needle left again, because it’s on you to do it. We’re mostly spent.
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Post#4515 at 10-02-2013 09:33 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
I never suggested "going it alone." However that doesn't imply a contract between two people or groups of people, to the contrary. A contract implies that two or more parties agreed to conditions that benefit both...
Your whole generation thinks small. The Millies know better, and we Boomers operate on the grand scale too. It's up there that the contract exists. PW used a bit of shorthand, but the idea was right. If you live here and enjoy the benefits, you own part of the load. Xers have done almost none of that, unless they chose to be soldiers of their own volition. There's a scene in Ben Hur where Ben is chained to the oar of a boat, and the overseer makes it plain. "You are here to serve the boat. Row well and live."

If you want the society you occupy to be suitable for human occupation, I suggest you do a little rowing. You can work out the personal stuff on your own.
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Post#4516 at 10-02-2013 09:36 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Let's play with real numbers instead of tossing around magic pony truisms...

The median gross household compensation is about $50,000.

15.2% goes to payroll*.
8% goes to insurance premiums**.
The average income tax rate of median households is another 5% (this includes all of your deductions, credits, etc...)
Let's low-ball it and say state & local taxes & fees average another 5%

That leaves $2800 a month, net, for expenses if everyone stays healthy. No problem.

But what happens when you actually need your insurance and start testing the OOP caps?

One person becoming seriously ill brings the net income down to $2300 - if no one loses income due to being sick. Two sick family members (or having a new child) brings net income to about $1800.

So... rent, food, clothing, utilities, transportation, communications... for $1800 a month? Forget about savings, 401ks, etc... $60 a day for 3-4 people is down to basic survival.

That's not a pretty picture for the median household, and the outlook doesn't really improve when you go lower than that. Most of the percentages involved stay fixed - except for the out of pocket costs that suddenly balloon to a much larger part of the lower-income household's budget.

*CBO is also recommending this number be increased to 19.1%, effective immediately. Yet another regressive tax increase in the land of billionaires.

**Doesn't include the other 4-5% that the government is paying to the insurer on their behalf.
... and the alternative to that is what?
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
... and the alternative to that is what?
you become an outlaw OR follow the law and starve quietly to death like a good little sheep.







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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Your whole generation thinks small. The Millies know better, and we Boomers operate on the grand scale too. It's up there that the contract exists. PW used a bit of shorthand, but the idea was right. If you live here and enjoy the benefits, you own part of the load. Xers have done almost none of that, unless they chose to be soldiers of their own volition. There's a scene in Ben Hur where Ben is chained to the oar of a boat, and the overseer makes it plain. "You are here to serve the boat. Row well and live."

If you want the society you occupy to be suitable for human occupation, I suggest you do a little rowing. You can work out the personal stuff on your own.
Jack Hawkins. "We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live." He was the Consul, not the overseer.

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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
You're assuming that he DOES have a conscience.
I guess the need to build a strawman (or a horny strawcat) also implies the presence of a conscience.
Oh no, you misunderstand. I'm pretty sure whatever the Mouth of Sauron has in place of a conscience doesn't bother him at all. His fear seems to be more related to keeping the veil over people's eyes thick and intact. It's almost as if he can see the consequences of his bullshit being recognized for what it is, and that terrifies him.

As it should.
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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Actually I proved quite easily that you were lying.
Part 2 of the playwrite dance is to ignore the evidence proving him as a liar.

Part 3 is to continue lying as if nothing had happened.
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Justin, sue this guy

Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Ah see you don't understand the concept of a "unique visitor" as it pertains to website traffic. It doesn't actually mean what you think it means. As I said, I understand that when it comes to this stuff you are totally dumb as shit (so is the NYT apparently).
Wait, wait, your best defense is offensive obfuscation and misdirection??? You know that's Justin's stick; I believe he's copyrighted it as his 'intellectual' property. As his legal council, I'm advising him to start a lawsuit against you.

If you want to use kilometers instead of miles to measure the road, I don't give a flying F. HHS, the NY Times and most major papers are reporting the traffic as "unique visitors" as well as "hits" and even "persons" and "applications." You got something better, go for it. Give us the comparison that supports YOUR assertion and will see what you got.

At least we now have a clue as to why you gutless wonders never attempt a straight answer. Look at this beautiful example of back pedaling -

Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
And of course the whole "traffic" comparison thing is silly because as I made clear before, not all "traffic" to the site was there to buy so to speak.

and this is too funny -

Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
As for the even more silly attempt at dick-measuring web site traffic,
So after claiming you could find bigger dicks, and now come up short, you now believe it was silly for you to have brought up the dick-measuring???

Like I said, funny, but it doesn't end there because you just can't help yourself and do exactly what -

Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
... there are a great many sites that handle way more unique visitors per day than Barrycare.

And then we finally get your limp attempt -

Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
If memory serves me the website for the 2012 London Olympic Games handled somewhere around 8 million unique visitors on opening day.
.. you really want to compare Healthcare.gov's unique 3-page form that calculates an even more unique algorithm of income, level of insurance, state, insurer, subsidy, etc. to a site for purchasing a ticket??? Have you heard of Ticketmaster?

I suggest you go to DrupalGardens.com to see that they have a ticket buying module that anyone can simple add to their website with one click of the mouse. Be sure to not go to the full Drupal site; the Gardens is free and set up specifically for noobs like yourself.

And icing on the cake -

Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
To be fair, it shit the bed too. The site they used for ticket sales was hammered even worse and went down for more than a week.
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Post#4522 at 10-03-2013 09:12 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Part 2 of the playwrite dance is to ignore the evidence proving him as a liar.

Part 3 is to continue lying as if nothing had happened.
Ah, the master is back and reclaiming his throne.

Just exactly what "evidence" is proving me a liar?

I think we're in the high 100s of me asking you that question and you ignoring it - of course, with your obvious flair of subterfuge.

You are the king.

I still think you should sue Coop; you got a good case.

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p.s. Have you got that video of you shooting 100 rounds with a revolver yet? You're not in the hospital with a couple of leg wounds are you?
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Post#4523 at 10-03-2013 09:16 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77 View Post
Oh no, you misunderstand. I'm pretty sure whatever the Mouth of Sauron has in place of a conscience doesn't bother him at all. His fear seems to be more related to keeping the veil over people's eyes thick and intact. It's almost as if he can see the consequences of his bullshit being recognized for what it is, and that terrifies him.

As it should.
Have you ever notice how gutless wonders turn to fantasy?

How many times have you brought up this Mouth of Sauron image. Your magic pony land is not a pretty place, but I'm sure you are master of that world. But here's a clue: no matter how powerful you are in that magical world, it doesn't make up for being a gutless wonder in the real one.
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"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#4524 at 10-03-2013 09:55 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Some examples

- of the people doing good stuff that the Randian nightmares and Far Left Magic Kingdom dwellers on this forum constantly disparage -

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/1...ent-97748.html

ACA’s foot soldiers help families deal with system

OUSTON — Forget the technical glitches. Navigators and other enrollment assisters are trying to prepare for the hundreds of different scenarios families are going to bring to Obamacare.
A single mother with expiring unemployment benefits? A mom who is undocumented and a father who has papers? A family that earns too much money for Medicaid but not enough to get subsidies?

That’s just the start of the various situations navigators and other enrollers are trying to prepare for — as they wait for the marketplace websites to be clear of glitches and the heavy traffic that are hindering enrollment.
On the second day of the six-month open enrollment period, several sites run by states and the federal government still asked consumers to come back later in response to high demand.

“It’s a little bit clunky right now,” said Stephanie Pollock, who is helping people get access to the health law’s benefits at Gateway to Care, a nonprofit here that focuses on health care access.
She took about 25 calls on Tuesday. In lieu of connecting people with plans — “because we can’t actually see the health plans yet and we can’t give them rates,” she says — Pollock and her colleagues are answering basic questions about how the program will work and walking consumers through subsidy calculators.

At Legacy Community Health Services, a federally qualified health center, Melisa Garcia and other people working on enrollment have spent hours in training to understand how benefits will be calculated. But they’ve also spent time walking through how to make patients, particularly those who are undocumented (and cannot access the exchanges themselves), feel confident handing over personal information in order to get subsidies for their children or family members who have papers.

“It’s kind of a daunting experience for those mixed families to go through the process because it makes them uncomfortable,” said Garcia, vice president of clinical business services at Legacy, which has many undocumented patients. “We have to make them feel very comfortable that they’re just here for health care — that’s it. … So for us, we’re very comfortable walking folks through that process.”

Some people are finding out for the first time that they’ve been eligible for benefits from programs that existed before the health law.

A Houston-area man called Gateway to Care this week to ask about whether his family of four would qualify for any tax subsidies. Pollock answered the phone and after taking down some income and family information, told the man that his children have been eligible for the Children’s Health Insurance Program — a benefit that predates Obamacare.

Health policy experts call this the “woodwork” effect — attention on the health law is going to drive people to look into health programs they may not have known they were eligible for, or bring them out of the woodwork.


“I told him, this is real important for you because you can immediately get that ball rolling to get your children enrolled,” Pollock said.
And one of the things these people coming out of the woodwork might also discover is that they can vote to help maintain the system that increases the chance for their families to survive and thrive.

Anyone who doesn't understand that is what the govt shutdown is about, needs to put their thinking cap back on.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#4525 at 10-03-2013 10:03 AM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Ah, the master is back and reclaiming his throne.

Just exactly what "evidence" is proving me a liar?
Previous discussions where you lied and I took the time to prove it. One might do a search on my handle and the keyword "liar" to find any number of them, since I try very hard to make use of database tags like that so I don't have to maintain archives of my own.

Of course, since we both know that you're just going to continue to pretend that your lies have gone unchallenged, the above exercise is left to any newcomers who missed it the first time around. The rest of us already know you for what you've proven to be.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch

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is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky
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