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Post#5226 at 11-26-2013 11:40 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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a worry that belies something good is coming

This is both a worry and a big positive for the ACA -

http://www.nationaljournal.com/healt...-rush-20131126

White House Worries Obamacare Site Will Experience December Rush
Obama administration officials are privately asking groups to take a phased approach with sending consumers back to HealthCare.gov.

Health care advocacy groups are being told behind closed doors that they should take a gradual approach when sending consumers back to HealthCare.gov to sign up for January coverage by Dec. 23, Talking Points Memo reports.

The Obama administration is worried that an influx of people after its self-imposed Nov. 30 deadline to have the website fixed will crash it. By bringing people back in waves, the administration hopes to ease the burden on HealthCare.gov and ensure that more outages don't cause people to give up altogether.

Officials say the site will be able to handle 50,000 users by the end of the month, and traffic that exceeds that will form an online queue to prevent a crash of the system.
Demand may be too high in the first week or two in December for the website even with all its improvements. But the bigger take-away is how much this is in demand. Go figure. Something the handwringers and naysayers seem to have a problem grasping.
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Post#5227 at 11-26-2013 12:24 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
How about an honest "I think you're an asshole and I'm not inclined to have a serious discussion with you."
OK, that's my answer, and our shared opinion of one another. Thanks.
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Post#5228 at 11-26-2013 12:35 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
A new study shows that 71% of the people that will be using the ACA websites will qualify for either Medicaid or the subsidies.

With Kentucky's Kynect being seen as a huge success in getting insurance to many thousands who have never had it before, Sen. McConnell is having to find a way to run against it. This is what he came up with -

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...ss-in-kentucky
Kentucky is a very poor state. Poor white people in Kentucky may have believed that by going along with conservative politics they could get jobs that had become scarce. All that they got were pay cuts.

Kentucky is toward the bottom in educational achievement and in public health. Kentucky could do very well with improved opportunities for healthcare. One of the most obvious causes of improvement is that Kentuckians could get treatment of underlying causes of short life expectancies -- most notably smoking.

Does this also remind you of Romney's 47%?

This is the future of the GOP every where - telling da little people have no right to health insurance.

Yea, that's going to be a big winner next November.
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Post#5229 at 11-26-2013 12:48 PM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ng-the-corner/

A spin through HealthCare.Gov this morning went smoothly. The site loaded quickly. The process progressed easily. There were no error messages or endless hangs. I didn't complete the final step of purchasing insurance but, until then, the site worked -- or at least appeared to work -- exactly as intended.
Liars keep lying - the website is just as dysfunctional as ever. My application(s) cannot be edited yet, and the page that used to say changes would be available on Nov. 15 now just says "check back next month."

Well, before next month is halfway over, I need to be able to enroll in something or else we're going to have a gap in our coverage.

Not that having expensive insurance that covers almost nothing would make being sick affordable.
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Post#5230 at 11-26-2013 01:36 PM by princeofcats67 [at joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,995]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
How about an honest "I think you're an asshole and I'm not inclined to have a serious discussion with you."
You got me beat, Rani.

I'm actually dis-inclined to have a "serious"-discussion
with pretty much any of them anymore.


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Post#5231 at 11-26-2013 01:47 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Liars keep lying - the website is just as dysfunctional as ever. My application(s) cannot be edited yet, and the page that used to say changes would be available on Nov. 15 now just says "check back next month."

Well, before next month is halfway over, I need to be able to enroll in something or else we're going to have a gap in our coverage.

Not that having expensive insurance that covers almost nothing would make being sick affordable.
Your experience speaks volumes about the complexity of this private insurance industry and echo the concerns of a growing number of Americans.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Oddly enough, I spent this last weekend in rural Kentucky!
I don't think people there realize how bad they have it. Good thing they've got city folks to tell them.
But if the apocalypse ever hits, that's where you want to be. Everyone knows everyone else, and they all look out for each other. It's pretty cool.
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Post#5233 at 11-26-2013 02:45 PM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
Your experience speaks volumes about the complexity of this private insurance industry and echo the concerns of a growing number of Americans.
It has been a constant source of stress in my life since Sept. 29 when I got the cancellation notice and BCBS refused to talk about it until Oct. 1. All I've gotten is run-around, broken websites, inaccurate applications, and expectations of higher costs.

I guess I should be happy that someone is getting something out of this in the states that expanded Medicaid. Really though, it feels like example #976138753 of feudal socialism coming from D.C.

"The aristocracy, in order to rally the people to them, waved the proletarian alms-bag in front for a banner. But the people, so often as it joined them, saw on their hindquarters the old feudal coats of arms, and deserted with loud and irreverent laughter."
Those words, "temperate and moderate", are words either of political cowardice, or of cunning, or seduction. A thing, moderately good, is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper, is always a virtue; but moderation in principle, is a species of vice.

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Post#5234 at 11-26-2013 03:31 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Liars keep lying - the website is just as dysfunctional as ever. My application(s) cannot be edited yet, and the page that used to say changes would be available on Nov. 15 now just says "check back next month."

Well, before next month is halfway over, I need to be able to enroll in something or else we're going to have a gap in our coverage.

Not that having expensive insurance that covers almost nothing would make being sick affordable.
Yes, John, the world revolves around you.

The rest of us will just put our lives on hold until your happy.
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Post#5235 at 11-26-2013 03:34 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
OK, that's my answer, and our shared opinion of one another. Thanks.
I think she's having a contest with Justin on who can obfuscate their actual viewpoint the most.
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Post#5236 at 11-26-2013 03:40 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
You got me beat, Rani.

I'm actually dis-inclined to have a "serious"-discussion
with pretty much any of them anymore.


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You do many things, Prince, but having a serious discussion with anyone on this forum is not one of them.
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Post#5237 at 11-26-2013 03:49 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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No wonder the sheeple are confused

http://crooksandliars.com/diane-swee...ling-obamacare

Darrell Issa's Traveling Obamacare Hearings Exclude ACA Supporters

In his traveling road show of “hearings” on the Affordable Care Act rollout, Darrell Issa has hand-picked the people testifying, and has excluded those who want to speak in favor of the ACA. In Gaston County, North Carolina, two women who requested to speak at the hearings told a local TV station that that they had written to Issa, saying they wanted to testify, but neither received a reply from his office.

The hearing got off to a contentious start on Friday, as people complained that they won't get a chance to be heard. They were also told they would be removed from the meeting if they spoke out of turn.

Residents were angry because Issa picked the five witnesses that we will hear from, all residents of North Carolina.

Allison Ward will NOT be among them. A proponent of the ACA, she wrote this letter to Issa, saying "I want to testify for one reason. I cannot do this by myself. I cannot afford healthcare."

"I haven't heard any word back," Ward says.

And she probably won't. A representative from Issa's office says all speakers had to be vetted in advance...that the format tomorrow will not be a town hall...that they're trying to keep the hearing short - about two hours.

But Ward says her message is important. The ACA offers her insurance she can afford for the first time in years.

"My president has said I hear you, I'm going to help you and frankly the way I see it is that other people are getting in the way," she says.

Dana Wilson is another Charlotte resident who wants to speak, but has not gotten a response to her request. As a teenager, she was diagnosed with MS.

"No one would insure me at all," Wilson says.

But the ACA will finally change that.

"I think if it's a true hearing than all sides should be heard," she says, "and they don't want to hear us."

Both women said that they feared "that all the negativity surrounding the ACA could somehow result in a repeal of the law."

Forget it, Jake, it's North Carolina town...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v_BVNGAfYM
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Post#5238 at 11-26-2013 04:05 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Handwringers and Naysayers how will YOU -

- be able to "let go"???

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...rm-turns/?_r=0

The Obamacare Worm Turns

I suggested yesterday that we’re probably heading for a turning point in the health reform discussion. Conservatives are operating on the assumption that it’s an irredeemable disaster that they can ride all the way to 2016; but the facts on the ground are getting better by the day, and Obamacare will turn into a Benghazi-type affair where Republicans are screaming about a scandal nobody else cares about.

And it’s already starting to happen.

White House officials are sounding increasingly upbeat. They could be deluded or spinning; but after what happened two months ago one suspects that the last thing they want is to inflate expectations unduly.

Meanwhile, media coverage is shifting fast. It’s still mostly trying for equivalence — each positive story of people being helped matched by a negative story of people hurt. But the stories don’t actually match up at all.

Small example: earlier today I found myself trapped in a place with CNN on in the background, showing a fair-and-balanced account of losers and winners. First, the loser: a guy who admits that Obamacare has gotten him a plan cheaper than the insurance he had, but who has found that his current allergist is off-network. Annoying, no doubt; but there are other allergists, and this particular one probably didn’t help the case by saying that he’s thinking of refusing to take Medicare patients, too.

And in any case, insurance with restricted networks is hardly something new to Obamacare.

Then, the winners: a couple with no insurance at all, because her premium would have been prohibitive and he has a preexisting condition that won’t let him buy any kind of insurance at all — but now both covered, at a very affordable price, by Covered California.

I don’t know about you, but these don’t sound to me like equivalent stories.

At this rate, the whole horrors-of-Obamacare meme will be gone in weeks, not months. But the GOP echo chamber won’t be able to let it go.
IRS? Syria? Iran?

Sorry though, it looks like Benghazi!, Benghazi!, Mufusa! Mufasa! is pretty much done for, at least in the Press -

http://www.newsblur.com/site/1928/editors-blog

Lara Logan Taking "Leave Of Absence" From '60 Minutes' After Debunked Benghazi Report
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Post#5239 at 11-26-2013 04:24 PM by JohnMc82 [at Back in Jax joined Jan 2011 #posts 1,962]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yes, John, the world revolves around you.

The rest of us will just put our lives on hold until your happy.
LOL

Do you want me to believe a newspaper article by some random person, who didn't actually enroll in anything, over my own experience trying to get insurance as a near-median income individual?

You've posted two dozen articles that are absolutely contrary to my experience, price comparisons, and plan comparisons. You keep trying to spin the propaganda like I'm in the winning group because my old plan got canceled and I qualify for subsidies, but I'm looking at increased costs on all ends despite additionally wasteful government spending on my behalf. That's if I could even stay covered over the next two months, which is starting to look increasingly unlikely.

But hey, keep it up with your propaganda, with your detached and wholly inaccurate view of the world. Keep it up with the meme that the 2/3rds of Americans who dislike the ACA are too dumb to know what's good for them. It sounds like the best election strategy the GOP ever had.
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Post#5240 at 11-26-2013 04:29 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Liars keep lying - the website is just as dysfunctional as ever. My application(s) cannot be edited yet, and the page that used to say changes would be available on Nov. 15 now just says "check back next month."

Well, before next month is halfway over, I need to be able to enroll in something or else we're going to have a gap in our coverage.

Not that having expensive insurance that covers almost nothing would make being sick affordable.
Until the website actully works, and the state where you reside stops being obstructionist, you're in a box. I would shoot for Pearl Harbor Day as your target to enroll. It's a Saturday, so the enroll at the office crowd will be otherwise engaged, and it isn't Sunday, which seems to be the day of choice for other enrollees. December 13th can be your fall-back. Apparently, the website is a lot more stable now, so you shojdl be able to get this done.

Of course, NC is being assholish about the entire affair. I have no recommendations for avoiding that.

In all syncerity, good luck.
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
LOL

Do you want me to believe a newspaper article by some random person, who didn't actually enroll in anything, over my own experience trying to get insurance as a near-median income individual?

You've posted two dozen articles that are absolutely contrary to my experience, price comparisons, and plan comparisons. You keep trying to spin the propaganda like I'm in the winning group because my old plan got canceled and I qualify for subsidies, but I'm looking at increased costs on all ends despite additionally wasteful government spending on my behalf. That's if I could even stay covered over the next two months, which is starting to look increasingly unlikely.

But hey, keep it up with your propaganda, with your detached and wholly inaccurate view of the world. Keep it up with the meme that the 2/3rds of Americans who dislike the ACA are too dumb to know what's good for them. It sounds like the best election strategy the GOP ever had.
Dude, you're one guy who's got an ax to grind. Anyone, including yourself, would need to be delusional to believe you are representative of the millions of people that will be signing up for Medicaid or private insurance under the ACA.

It's going to become increasingly clear that there's about 1% of the population that is going to have to pay more for their insurance than what they did before; you apparently are 'unfortunate' in falling into that group. You 1%ers are made up mostly of healthy males in their 30s that are relatively too affluent (boo-hoo) to have much, if any, government subsidy. It is going to also be increasingly clear that a big reason for why those of you paying more, and in the rarest of groups getting the same or less, is that the individual market can no longer discriminate against women and mental illness. That is something that Medicare/Medicaid have never done and what employer-based insurance has now done for the vast number of polices for a couple of decades now - the ACA is bringing the private individual market into the 21st Century.

If you want to boil down this huge change in health care effecting millions, by far in a positive way, to just your own self-centered personal experience, then you need to understand that your wife has benefited greatly by the government subsidies given to employers in the form of huge tax credits. Maybe it's time for you to man-up and start paying a fair share of that instead of getting a free ride from the rest of us. I'm also pretty sure your wife is going to need a little of that mental health coverage as a result of having to listen to your incessant whining.
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
LOL

Do you want me to believe a newspaper article by some random person, who didn't actually enroll in anything, over my own experience trying to get insurance as a near-median income individual?

You've posted two dozen articles that are absolutely contrary to my experience, price comparisons, and plan comparisons. You keep trying to spin the propaganda like I'm in the winning group because my old plan got canceled and I qualify for subsidies, but I'm looking at increased costs on all ends despite additionally wasteful government spending on my behalf. That's if I could even stay covered over the next two months, which is starting to look increasingly unlikely.

But hey, keep it up with your propaganda, with your detached and wholly inaccurate view of the world. Keep it up with the meme that the 2/3rds of Americans who dislike the ACA are too dumb to know what's good for them. It sounds like the best election strategy the GOP ever had.
Yeah. Some of those articles are pretty funny. They claim that "the administration is increasingly upbeat" while, in reality, they are so scared that they have begun to distance themselves from the law. This week, they refused to use the term "Obamacare" and reverted instead to the "Affordable Care Act."

And even some of the most secure democratic senators out there are threatening to turn against the program if it doesn't work by the end of the month.

Which is not to say that things like this don't have a habit of blowing over. They do. But, the list of really, really ugly things about this law that could blow up and make big headlines is long. Very long. Probably longer than any legislation in history. It's becoming the gift that keeps on giving.... to Republican candidates.







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Quote Originally Posted by stilltim View Post
Yeah. Some of those articles are pretty funny. They claim that "the administration is increasingly upbeat" while, in reality, they are so scared that they have begun to distance themselves from the law. This week, they refused to use the term "Obamacare" and reverted instead to the "Affordable Care Act."

And even some of the most secure democratic senators out there are threatening to turn against the program if it doesn't work by the end of the month.

Which is not to say that things like this don't have a habit of blowing over. They do. But, the list of really, really ugly things about this law that could blow up and make big headlines is long. Very long. Probably longer than any legislation in history. It's becoming the gift that keeps on giving.... to Republican candidates.
Yea sure, moron, and maybe Santa will bring you a magic pony that poops gold nuggets this Christmas too.

There are 10s of millions of people uninsured or under-insured in this country and not getting healthcare as a result. It is truly amazingly ugly what misery people like you hope continues.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
It's going to become increasingly clear that there's about 1% of the population that is going to have to pay more for their insurance than what they did before; you apparently are 'unfortunate' in falling into that group.
Hey, do you remember how they came up with that 1% number? They excluded everyone getting subsidies. I'm part of that much larger group that is getting subsidies and still seeing higher costs.

If I've got an axe to grind, it is because I threw a lot of support and effort behind Obama way back when in the '08 primaries - specifically because he opposed the type of mandate-based insurance "reform" that Hillary & Edwards were stumping for. It wasn't a trivial amount of effort, either. I was generating a few thousand web hits a day before including whatever may have gone viral through reddit & Digg. Believe it or not, political web traffic isn't worth much money if you're trying to move against the establishment's grain.

I even peaked back in this very thread, back to 2009, and I saw myself worried that Obama would end up caving to the insurance lobby and supporting a plan that does more for a few tens of thousand investors than the tens of millions of Americans who need access to real healthcare. I noticed around the same time, you were a bit concerned about the fact that Baucus was writing a clone of The Heritage plan in his Senate Committee.

I haven't gone anywhere PW, but you're drifting off to what used to be the far-right with the rest of the Democrats.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yea sure, moron, and maybe Santa will bring you a magic pony that poops gold nuggets this Christmas too.

There are 10s of millions of people uninsured or under-insured in this country and not getting healthcare as a result. It is truly amazingly ugly what misery people like you hope continues.
Liar. We don't hope it will continue. We KNOW it will continue. And we're far from happy about it. This is exactly this crap we warned all of you lefties about before you rammed it down the nation's throat. But NO. You couldn't be bothered to listen to common sense because YOU KNEW BETTER.

So sit down, shut up and take your medicine. Maybe, when the nation finally finishes learning what a joke you and your ilk are, we can get some sane people in office who can fix the mess you made.







Post#5246 at 11-26-2013 06:29 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by stilltim View Post
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Your post, incendiary rhetoric excised.

You are welcome.
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Post#5247 at 11-26-2013 06:45 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc82 View Post
Hey, do you remember how they came up with that 1% number? They excluded everyone getting subsidies. I'm part of that much larger group that is getting subsidies and still seeing higher costs.

If I've got an axe to grind, it is because I threw a lot of support and effort behind Obama way back when in the '08 primaries - specifically because he opposed the type of mandate-based insurance "reform" that Hillary & Edwards were stumping for. It wasn't a trivial amount of effort, either. I was generating a few thousand web hits a day before including whatever may have gone viral through reddit & Digg. Believe it or not, political web traffic isn't worth much money if you're trying to move against the establishment's grain.

I even peaked back in this very thread, back to 2009, and I saw myself worried that Obama would end up caving to the insurance lobby and supporting a plan that does more for a few tens of thousand investors than the tens of millions of Americans who need access to real healthcare. I noticed around the same time, you were a bit concerned about the fact that Baucus was writing a clone of The Heritage plan in his Senate Committee.

I haven't gone anywhere PW, but you're drifting off to what used to be the far-right with the rest of the Democrats.
No, go back and look at my post with the analysis -

http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...060#post489060

- 1.3% will be needing to replace their insurance without subsidies and 1.3% will be replacing their insurance WITH subsidies. It is reasonable to assume more than half in the first group will pay more and less than half in the second group will pay less. Under that assumption, it's going to be around 1.3% total (with and without subsidies) or rounding down, around 1%. We'll see.

I don't drift; I leave that to the magic pony people. I want single payer, but know damn well the country is not going to go for it right now and for some time into the future. That doesn't mean we can't lay the groundwork or come at it from a different angle. Pssss, don't tell anyone -

http://www.occupydemocrats.com/vermo...-people-video/

I have little doubt that California is eventually going to go the same way; it might take a few years, but when that happens the game will be obviously almost over, and we will have won. There will be a lot of people to thank for that, but there will be one at the head of that line, and no, it's not Bernie - he's one of the good guys but he had no way of getting this.
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Quote Originally Posted by stilltim View Post
Liar. We don't hope it will continue. We KNOW it will continue. And we're far from happy about it. This is exactly this crap we warned all of you lefties about before you rammed it down the nation's throat. But NO. You couldn't be bothered to listen to common sense because YOU KNEW BETTER.

So sit down, shut up and take your medicine. Maybe, when the nation finally finishes learning what a joke you and your ilk are, we can get some sane people in office who can fix the mess you made.
I love getting you guys to foam at the mouth incoherently. Obviously the incoherence is a giveme and the foaming isn't really that hard to induce. So, not much of a challenge but it's still fun!

tick, tick, tick, the clock's ticking for you morons - once again.

Benghazi! Benghazi! Mafusa! Mafusa!
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Post#5249 at 11-26-2013 08:23 PM by Danilynn [at joined Dec 2012 #posts 855]
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The following is what a friend of mine posted today on Facebook about trying to come up with the new healthcare costs for him. Single 57 year old, by the way. Makes "too much for subsidies" His insurance went from 235 to 791.

You might find his solution either horrifying or funny or a bit of both:

"I’m even attempting to figure out how in God’s name I could possibly come up with an additional $791 A MONTH???

Um.

Let’s see here.

Kill internet entirely

Kill landline

Kill heavily discounted cell phone

Kill gym (sounds trivial but I need that for… oh yeah… HEALTH reasons)…

So far I’m at $190.

Now what?

Stop eating. Completely. Oh I’ll be kind and give myself Nissin Cup O Noodles. Fine. That’s like what… 2 of those a day is… $18 a month in food. Ok I just saved another $140 a month by NOT FUCKING EATING…

Now I’m at what… $330…

Kill all my electricity. Fine I just picked up about another $80. $410 now.

Note at this point I am NOT EATING, I HAVE NO ELECTRICITY, and I’m UTTERLY neglecting my health, and I’m halfway there now.

Good good now what?

Bike to work I guess. BIKE 60 F*CKING MILES to work. Ok… no… basically pull up a tent and bike home on the weekends. Well, there’s my exercise I guess… yay me! On NO FOOD. Ah… yeah that. I save another eh $260 there (hey my car gets great gas mileage)… aaand kill my car insurance. My MINIMUM STATE LIABILITY car insurance.

HEY I DID IT!

And all I had to do was live in a tent like a homeless person 5 days out of the week and not eat!

Wow, I should be REALLY HEALTHY NOW, thanks to all that G*DDAM USELESS health insurance! Which… apparently, I reall AM going to be needing under this scenario. Hope you guys like paying out a lot… oh right… insurance companies are in the business of collecting premiums, not paying out anything. I’m sure you’ll get me on a technicality like I dunno… I had an ingrown toenail once and I failed to report it so therefore no soup for me!"

He's opted to pay the fine.







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Quote Originally Posted by Danilynn View Post
The following is what a friend of mine posted today on Facebook about trying to come up with the new healthcare costs for him. Single 57 year old, by the way. Makes "too much for subsidies" His insurance went from 235 to 791.

You might find his solution either horrifying or funny or a bit of both:

"I’m even attempting to figure out how in God’s name I could possibly come up with an additional $791 A MONTH???

Um.

Let’s see here.

Kill internet entirely

Kill landline

Kill heavily discounted cell phone

Kill gym (sounds trivial but I need that for… oh yeah… HEALTH reasons)…

So far I’m at $190.

Now what?

Stop eating. Completely. Oh I’ll be kind and give myself Nissin Cup O Noodles. Fine. That’s like what… 2 of those a day is… $18 a month in food. Ok I just saved another $140 a month by NOT FUCKING EATING…

Now I’m at what… $330…

Kill all my electricity. Fine I just picked up about another $80. $410 now.

Note at this point I am NOT EATING, I HAVE NO ELECTRICITY, and I’m UTTERLY neglecting my health, and I’m halfway there now.

Good good now what?

Bike to work I guess. BIKE 60 F*CKING MILES to work. Ok… no… basically pull up a tent and bike home on the weekends. Well, there’s my exercise I guess… yay me! On NO FOOD. Ah… yeah that. I save another eh $260 there (hey my car gets great gas mileage)… aaand kill my car insurance. My MINIMUM STATE LIABILITY car insurance.

HEY I DID IT!

And all I had to do was live in a tent like a homeless person 5 days out of the week and not eat!

Wow, I should be REALLY HEALTHY NOW, thanks to all that G*DDAM USELESS health insurance! Which… apparently, I reall AM going to be needing under this scenario. Hope you guys like paying out a lot… oh right… insurance companies are in the business of collecting premiums, not paying out anything. I’m sure you’ll get me on a technicality like I dunno… I had an ingrown toenail once and I failed to report it so therefore no soup for me!"

He's opted to pay the fine.
You're either a moron or believe everyone else is to propagate this horseshit.

Notice how we get the premium hike without a lick of explanation followed by a page of how horrible (sniff, sniff) this is going to be to come up with the money and, of course, ending with its all "G*DDM USELESS.

This is the level of critical thinking that either moron do or the manipulators believe you morons will buy, lock, stock and barrel.

What state does this guy live in? What insurance did he have before? What is his income? What's his household size? What insurance is he buying and from whom?

Did you ever stop for one F'n second and consider any of THESE questions before buying into this horseshit, moron?

Let's take a poll, how many other morons here bought into this?
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

“It’s not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed … so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. It’s much more akin to printing money.” - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
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