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Post#5601 at 01-14-2014 11:20 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
This seems like a waste of a perfectly good bullet.

Always remember that the really cheap prostitutes usually end up suffering from some horrible disease long before being killed by their pimps or johns, then stuffed into a dirty mattress or simply shoved behind a soiled dumpster in a poor neighborhood.

Patience lad.

Leave it to you to bring the forum further into the gutter than even Kepi could imagine.

Actually, this is a good sign - apparently this trash is increasingly all you turds have to turn to in what must be an increasingly confusing and hostile world. Darwin Awards come to mind.
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


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Post#5602 at 01-14-2014 11:35 AM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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ACA to the rescue!

Back to the real world -

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/wh...s-h1n1-edition

Why Obamacare Matters: H1N1 Edition
There's an H1N1 flu outbreak in Northern California, my college-aged daughter is sick, and the ACA is already making a difference.

When I saw the stories about the H1N1 outbreak in Northern California, I texted my daughter at college in Santa Cruz and told her to get herself to a clinic and get a flu shot immediately.

This is no ordinary flu outbreak, I explained. It's killing otherwise healthy 23-year olds and seems to be targeting young people. Worst of all, two deaths in Santa Cruz have been attributed to the virus. I didn't tell her the stories were scaring the living daylights out of me, but I think she got the message.

Still, I was not prepared for her text to me today, where she remarked on the irony that I would be bugging her to get a flu shot yesterday and today she has a fever and cough.

The cold chills that ran up my spine were paralyzing. I'm 350 miles away from her, I have absolutely no idea whether her fever is just in the low-grade range or worse because she doesn't have a thermometer and just slammed back some Tylenol before heading out to class. Not that fever is a sole indicator, but if it's over 100 degrees it's more likely to be the flu than a common cold.

It's tough to make a mom diagnosis from a distance, and tougher still to communicate a sense of urgency without instilling panic. My biggest concern is that she get to a doctor and get some Tamiflu if possible, or at least just get evaluated to see if it's a cold or the flu. Ordinarily I'd just wait it out, but this pH1N1 flu has my radar on overdrive.

Obamacare to the rescue! Just in the nick of time, we finally got our member numbers on the new ACA policy and temporary ID cards today. I went to the doctor lookup on our insurer's website and was able to find an in-network Urgent Care clinic close to the school. They do have a health clinic at the school, but past experience suggests a much longer wait than I'm comfortable with in these circumstances. I sent her the name, address and phone number and ordered her in my Mom Voice to go to the clinic as soon as possible, especially if her fever rose.

If this had happened last year, we would have been trying to figure out whether she should just go to the emergency room as a precaution and figure out how to pay the inevitable Big Bill later. Now she can walk into an urgent care clinic, plunk down $15 for the visit, and hopefully get some Tamiflu by tomorrow, since the sooner one uses that, the better.

Or, we'll discover that I overreacted to a common cold, she'll get her free flu shot, and we'll all rest better at night.

Either way, I feel much better knowing that she has a place she can be seen immediately for evaluation by qualified medical personnel without having to sign a mortgage on the house for an ER visit.


Here are my takeaways from today's episode of "Obamacare to the Rescue":

- If you haven't signed up for health insurance yet, do it NOW, especially if you're young and healthy. This flu likes young and healthy people. Be prepared.

- Get a flu shot NOW. There's plenty of vaccine available. Do it before you come down with something.

- Do an advance lookup of urgent care providers in your area to have on hand if you have a situation that isn't immediately life-threatening but needs attention. By having the information on hand, you will have the peace of mind of knowing you can get care for situations where your primary provider isn't available.

- Check your medicine cabinet and make sure you have a working thermometer and the basics for symptoms, like ibuprofen or acetaminophen for fever control.

- Wash your hands!
Be sure to see CBS video at the link.

Imagine GOP trying to repeal millions of peoples' Medicaid and exchange insurance during a serious H1N1 breakout??? Virus doesn't give a shit whether you're a t-bagger or a far Leftie or whether you have insurance or not. It does matter if lots of uninsured people avoid getting care and spread the disease. Remember that in the debate on immigration; right now, 11 million people can't get insurance because they are undocumented.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#5603 at 01-14-2014 12:00 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Back to the real world -

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/wh...s-h1n1-edition



Be sure to see CBS video at the link.

Imagine GOP trying to repeal millions of peoples' Medicaid and exchange insurance during a serious H1N1 breakout??? Virus doesn't give a shit whether you're a t-bagger or a far Leftie or whether you have insurance or not. It does matter if lots of uninsured people avoid getting care and spread the disease. Remember that in the debate on immigration; right now, 11 million people can't get insurance because they are undocumented.
The flu shots are now ***free*** in our state.

Correction: Some hospitals and health department clinics are now offering free flu shots in our state.
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Post#5604 at 01-14-2014 01:22 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Bird flu? Eek.

Only one fatal case of H5N1 so far in the US, a woman returning from China where it is starting to become of concern -

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Current+A...emics/Bird+Flu

While this year's vaccine covers the primary strain of swine flu (H1N1), it does not cover bird flu (H5N1)


Again, keep those hands washed, know where your urgent care places are located, and still best to get the vaccine even if not free or you have no insurance. If you get the vaccine and still come down with the flu, it's likely just one of the myriad of other upper respiratory aliments not covered by the vaccine but don't take any chances particularly if the H5N1 becomes more prominent in the next few months.
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#5605 at 01-14-2014 01:49 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Sorry toadies

A good summary of generally good (or, at least not bad) news update for Obamacare -

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-death-spiral/

The death of Obamacares death spiral
Interesting that if the ratio of healthy-to-not-healthy sign-ups were locked in today, the 2015 premiums would stay about the same. That should mean as the ratio goes up in the coming months, there's a good chance 2015 premiums could go down. That will add to the two other factors of (1) the MLS ratio leading to rebates and (2) more insurers coming in to compete now with that the bugs have been ironed out; all three pointing to perhaps rate reductions in 2015. The icing on the cake would be if Congress could get into a habit of raising the subsidies just a tad each year similar to SS.

Also interesting to note the prevalence of Silver plans at 60%, three times that of the Bronze plans at 20%. Bronze plans only represent 1/5 of the market. Perhaps in making the case for costs of deductables/co-pays, the Bronze plans should be considered the exception and not the general rule. I realize that takes away from some of the croaking witnessed here, but it is what it is.

Finally, the less than 1% opting for the catastrophic plans. These were originally offered to just those under 30 years of age, but they are now offered to anyone who 'lost' a pre-ACA policy. Lots of hysterical croaking reported over people losing these cheapo 'insurance' plans, but not many takers and certainly not much reporting on it. Wonder why? This may go up in percent, however, with the expected increase in signing up invincible as we close in on the March deadline; although if the Swine flu (or God help us,the Bird flu) begins to become more reported as hitting the 20-somethings hard, we may get a rush on Platinum plans!
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#5606 at 01-14-2014 04:06 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Thanks for those helpful tips, dr. playdude.
But don't forget about H7N9.
Factory farmed animals fight back!
Yea, H7 seems to be the one getting started up again in China, which makes it strange (and a little scary) that it was the more evil twin, H5, that caused the lethality in California - H5's lethalness is obviously expected, but where the hell did the evil twin come from??? I thought for sure it was going to be proved a mistyping but when CDC went in with the big guns to specifically prove that, they instead validated the type. Not much press for obvious reasons but if they get a second case...
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#5607 at 01-14-2014 05:46 PM by Bad Dog [at joined Dec 2012 #posts 2,156]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
I heard it suggested that if you're looking at a future of something declining or that it's possible to lose, experiment with going without, or at least do a thought experiment on what it would be like without, and take your evaluations from there. It was also noted that workarounds tend to present themselves if you do it for, say, a week or a month.

This should help clarify which one is the more dire prospect.
Losing the money/income is more important.







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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I wasn't kidding when I said that factory farmed animals are fighting back.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...l#.UtWdPJrnZMt

You can't play whack-a-mole with bird/pig flu strains and expect to get them all when the animals are crowded together by the millions. Especially if the infected animals are asymptomatic!
It makes the idea of flu vaccinations seem trite.
We're on the same page on this; at least the problem. Putting aside the animal ethical issue, it's another example of mono culture being an affront to mother nature - and mother nature doesn't like to be F'd with. If H5's asymptomatic in pigs transfers over to a significant number of humans, we are F'd; it would make Typhoid Mary a footnote in pandemics history.

Just not sure how you get large modern societies to give up mono cultures; it would make global warming debates look like kumbaya singalongs. Maybe the health card and the animal ethics card will get us there, but I'm afraid it might take loosing a staple (my bet is bananas) or a pandemic with farm animal origination. Of course, for the latter one, commercial ag is going to point to it being from small peasant farms in China and that their mono culture approach is too regimented to let that happen. Yea right. :
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Only one fatal case of H5N1 so far in the US, a woman returning from China where it is starting to become of concern -

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Current+A...emics/Bird+Flu

While this year's vaccine covers the primary strain of swine flu (H1N1), it does not cover bird flu (H5N1)


Again, keep those hands washed, know where your urgent care places are located, and still best to get the vaccine even if not free or you have no insurance. If you get the vaccine and still come down with the flu, it's likely just one of the myriad of other upper respiratory aliments not covered by the vaccine but don't take any chances particularly if the H5N1 becomes more prominent in the next few months.
Its interesting that I'm reading this right now. I just got back from getting "poked". Apparently vaccines are getting hard to find around here, but I was already on a waiting list. I'm just glad to get it over with. There is some debate about the pros and cons about flu-shots in my household, but at the very least I thought it was wise for me to "take one for the team" sorta speak.
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Post#5610 at 01-15-2014 12:36 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I think it will be a pandemic. Those who are left will scratch their heads and say, gee, maybe we don't need to eat so many chickens and pigs after all.
(Notice that there are no worldwide panics over "bovine flu." Cattle are raised outdoors rather than in warehouses, conditions less conducive to massive viral spread and mutations.)

And it could happen sooner rather than later:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...died-1.2496544
Yea, but them thar bovine operations, as you know more than myself, are filled with idiots and a-holes, e.g., putting ground-up sick animal meat into the feed, and getting Mad Cow disease. I don't trust any of the system at all. I'm not quite a vegetarian, but I'm sure close to being one for this reason alone; as you also know, it's a hell of a lot easier if you love S. Asian cuisine!

I liked the scene at the very end of "Contagion" that showed the bat infecting the pig transmitting to the cook's hands who infected the Western lady who then infected the world (except, of course, her husband, Matt Damon!). However, pretty preposterous or at least misdirection of it coming from essentially a one-step- above-subsidence animal raising rather than from some huge animal factory. For it to come from a single family operation the odds must be a gad-zillion-to-one; churning out 1000 pigs a week from a 10K+ animal operation, those odds come down considerably. It's all about the money, and most people just not wanting to stop and consider.
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







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Check out the following book:The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History by John M. Barry

It's a first rate story and he goes into some of the technical aspects of the influenza virus, and very likely describes much of what will likely happen to us again.

One can't help but wonder why we leave the design and production of vaccines to the pharm companies. As for-profit orgs, it's not in their best interests to design and produce them. Probably why we invariably have shortages, etc. Can you imagine the CF if a novel flu virus really got going? Of course, it would be months before a vaccine could be available.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
But ... people want to pay more attention to the Super Bowl right now. And next month it will be the Olympics. So be it.
The equivalent of bread and circuses.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Hey, now you're talkin'!
<chuckle!>

Hey, don't mess with the bull, young lady; you'll get the horns.
IOW, show (the) dick some respect.


Prince

PS: Don't worry, Rani; Just trust Mr. Playwrite.
I'm pretty sure he believes he's got everything
'all-figured-out', and 'under control'. )
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
<chuckle!>

Hey, don't mess with the bull, young lady; you'll get the horns.
IOW, show (the) dick some respect.


Prince

PS: Don't worry, Rani; Just trust Mr. Playwrite.
I'm pretty sure he believes he's got everything
'all-figured-out', and 'under control'. )
You come out of nowhere and offer this on a topic you haven't said anything about....
And I'm the 'dick'?

Put the mirror down and pull your panties up.
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


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Post#5615 at 01-17-2014 09:41 AM by princeofcats67 [at joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,995]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
You come out of nowhere and offer this on a topic you haven't said anything about....
Out of nowhere? Look, PW. I'm a busy guy, and it's
somewhat difficult attempting to keep-up with all of
your various 'fantasy-narratives' on why to ignore any
real, or potential, downsides of The ACA.

So anyway, what topic? Do you mean your latest 'sales-pitch'
that "Millys should buy-into the "shit-sandwich" out of the fear
of not being covered if they contract H1N1(et al)?

Quote Originally Posted by PW
And I'm the 'dick'?
Yeah, pretty much. Well, either
that or, "a big fucking joke".
It's your call, really.


Prince

PS:

Quote Originally Posted by PW
Put the mirror down and pull your panties up.
You must mean these! !
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
So anyway, what topic? Do you mean your latest 'sales-pitch'
that "Millys should buy-into the "shit-sandwich" out of the fear
of not being covered if they contract H1N1(et al)?
Oh, you probably haven't seen this gem yet. This campaign is sure to get millies signing up in droves!







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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Out of nowhere? Look, PW. I'm a busy guy, and it's
somewhat difficult attempting to keep-up with all of
your various 'fantasy-narratives' on why to ignore any
real, or potential, downsides of The ACA.

So anyway, what topic? Do you mean your latest 'sales-pitch'
that "Millys should buy-into the "shit-sandwich" out of the fear
of not being covered if they contract H1N1(et al)?

Yeah, pretty much. Well, either
that or, "a big fucking joke".
It's your call, really.

Prince

PS:

You must mean these! !
Yet you have the time to come into the conversation and offer nothing but insults.

I asked that you put the mirror away and pull up your panties, but instead you decided to stroke your not-big, certainly not-fucking, but obviously joke of manhood.

This is all you guys have left, and you wonder why you're being pushed aside by the tides of time. Too funny.

Let's see if you can even get that pitiful thing up and offer for once any cogent argument for your assertion. Just what Millies do you have in mind that are being forced into a shit sandwich? We know over 2 million are now allowed to stay on their parents' insurance. We know that millions of uninsured are being moved to Medicaid and will not pay anything - do you really think no one under 30 is making less than the $15K to qualify? We know that over 6 million will be paying less than $100 a month for real insurance under the exchanges and a majority of those will pay nothing or less than $50 a month - again do you really believe that no Millies are in the income groups that will benefit from that? You really believe only old Xers and Boomers have low incomes??? What fucking planet do you live on???

If you don't have any, you know, actual FACTS, to counter these very basic facts, then what you are doing is propagating horseshit about something that has nothing to do with you because you have sufficient income and/or employer-based, heavily-subsidized insurance. In other words, you are an elitist asshole.
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Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







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From Bernie Sanders:

Single Payer Health Care: Sen. Sanders has introduced legislation which would require that each state set up a single-payer insurance system. One upside would be simplicity, said Laura Martin of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada. Some doctors spend as much as a third of their overhead dealing with insurance documents. It would also make life easier for consumers, who would no longer have to pore through reams of paperwork to figure out which insurer covers what, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal.
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Quote Originally Posted by Deb C View Post
From Bernie Sanders:

Single Payer Health Care: Sen. Sanders has introduced legislation which would require that each state set up a single-payer insurance system. One upside would be simplicity, said Laura Martin of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada. Some doctors spend as much as a third of their overhead dealing with insurance documents. It would also make life easier for consumers, who would no longer have to pore through reams of paperwork to figure out which insurer covers what, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal.
I hope that several states will try this on thir own without another mandate . Then we can see how it works . If this woks as well as many expect, then the other states could follow with thir own plans.







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Quote Originally Posted by Copperfield View Post
Oh, you probably haven't seen this gem yet. This campaign is sure to get millies signing up in droves!
LOL!

No, I hadn't seen that yet.


Prince

PS: I don't know about you, but I'm sure sold!
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yet you have the time to come into the conversation and offer nothing but insults.

I asked that you put the mirror away and pull up your panties, but instead you decided to stroke your not-big, certainly not-fucking, but obviously joke of manhood.

This is all you guys have left, and you wonder why you're being pushed aside by the tides of time. Too funny.

Let's see if you can even get that pitiful thing up and offer for once any cogent argument for your assertion. Just what Millies do you have in mind that are being forced into a shit sandwich? We know over 2 million are now allowed to stay on their parents' insurance. We know that millions of uninsured are being moved to Medicaid and will not pay anything - do you really think no one under 30 is making less than the $15K to qualify? We know that over 6 million will be paying less than $100 a month for real insurance under the exchanges and a majority of those will pay nothing or less than $50 a month - again do you really believe that no Millies are in the income groups that will benefit from that? You really believe only old Xers and Boomers have low incomes??? What fucking planet do you live on???

If you don't have any, you know, actual FACTS, to counter these very basic facts, then what you are doing is propagating horseshit about something that has nothing to do with you because you have sufficient income and/or employer-based, heavily-subsidized insurance. In other words, you are an elitist asshole.
So PW, tell me again why I should put the time
into breaking-down yet another argument you're
having with one of your 'imaginary friends'.

You know, just because Rani's willing to work
pro bono, doesn't mean the rest of are.


Prince

PS: BTW, I saw that you edited your response and deleted that
response to Copper. Probably a good move on your part, IMO.
You wouldn't want to call into question your stellar credentials
as an open-minded Progressive, and overall 'man-of-the-people'.
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Post#5622 at 01-21-2014 02:59 PM by princeofcats67 [at joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,995]
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Maybe we should start marketing The ACA to the Chinese.
Then, they'll all be protected against H5N1(et al).

It'll be our new export economy!
(just think of the size of that 'risk-pool'! )


Prince

PS: Ah, I can see it all now; 1B+ Chinese with less
incentive for prevention and personal responsibility.

Priceless!
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Post#5623 at 01-21-2014 06:43 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
So PW, tell me again why I should put the time
into breaking-down yet another argument you're
having with one of your 'imaginary friends'.

You know, just because Rani's willing to work
pro bono, doesn't mean the rest of are.


Prince

PS: BTW, I saw that you edited your response and deleted that
response to Copper. Probably a good move on your part, IMO.
You wouldn't want to call into question your stellar credentials
as an open-minded Progressive, and overall 'man-of-the-people'.
I know this may be beyond your comprehension to grasp, but you are not fooling anyone with your lame "too busy " horseshit. You got noting but regurgitated Faux News' talking points and too brainless to put-up and too much the Princeofpricks to shut-up. Now go pull your panties up, moron.
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Post#5624 at 01-21-2014 07:23 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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For PrinceofPricks67...

... and other toads and toadies, read it and weep, suckers -

http://www.dailykos.com/blog/Brainwrap

ACA Signups: KA-POW!! Medicaid Overhaul Posted, CA Updated, Grand Total approaches 12M!


Look at the actual vs the CBO projection!*

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* For PrinceofPricks67 and other morons that means the ACA is on track to EXCEED expectations!
"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite







Post#5625 at 01-21-2014 07:26 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Hope for PrinceofPricks67

And it's not just about the numbers...

"It's a Godsent" ---

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...It-s-a-godsend

From 'I don't want any part of Obamacare' to 'It's a godsend'

....Last year, TIME published a massive special report, "Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us," detailing just about everything that is wrong with the nation's health care system. Central to that story were Stephanie and Sean Recchi, an Ohio couple with two kids who had just started up a new business, and who had just been struck by Sean's aggressive and expensive cancer. The author of that story, Steven Brill, has a an update to their story in the current issue of TIME.

Sean Recchi's now in remission, but only after the underinsured family (their $469/month policy was worthless at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston) borrowed from family and maxed out their credit cards. Here's Stephanie Ricci last October:

I don't think Obamacare will help us. I don't want anything to do with it," Stephanie Recchi told me a week after the launch of HealthCare.gov on Oct. 1. "I hear a lot of bad things about itthat it doesn't cover pre-existing conditions and it's too expensive," she added, referring to what she said were "television ads and some politicians talking on the news. Just a lot of talk that this is a bad law."

Did I mention she's an Obama hater? Nonetheless, she tried and tried again to navigate HealthCare.gov, to no avail. That made her hate the whole idea of Obamacare even more, but she needed health insurance, and so went to her insurance agent.

"When they came to my office, Stephanie told me right up front, 'I don't want any part of Obamacare,' " recalls health-insurance agent Barry Cohen. "These were clearly people who don't like the President. So I kind of let that slide and just asked them for basic information and told them we would go on the Ohio exchange"which is actually the Ohio section of the federal Obamacare exchange"and show them what's available."

The upshot? Because they're still in basically start-up mode in their business, their income for the family of four qualifies them for expanded Medicaid. If a big contract they are anticipating comes through for them this year, they'll be bumped off Medicaid, but will still qualify for a subsidy that will put their monthly premiums at $566.
What Stephanie soon discovered, she told me in mid-November, "was a godsend." [...]
"Here I get full protection for $566, compared to no protection for almost $500," Stephanie says, referring to her old plan that had cost $469 monthly and that MD Anderson had scoffed at. "This is wonderful. [...]
No, we don't get MD Anderson, but we do get the Cleveland Clinic and lots of other good care," Stephanie says. "We understand that."
You see, there may be even hope for people like PrinceofPricks67 - he just needs an aggressive form of cancer to maybe grow a brain. Got my fingers crossed for you, PP67!
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"The Devil enters the prompter's box and the play is ready to start" - R. Service

Its not tax money. The banks have accounts with the Fed so, to lend to a bank, we simply use the computer to mark up the size of the account that they have with the Fed. Its much more akin to printing money. - B.Bernanke


"Keep your filthy hands off my guns while I decide what you can & can't do with your uterus" - Sarah Silverman

If you meet a magic pony on the road, kill it. - Playwrite
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