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Post#5951 at 06-08-2015 07:41 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Have you tried calling that number? I just did.
Check it out and see what happens.
No, but I did call this number to sign up:

1-800-FUCKYO
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#5952 at 06-09-2015 12:02 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Have you tried calling that number? I just did.
Check it out and see what happens.
Of course.

They use the UCB MAGI approach found here -

http://laborcenter.berkeley.edu/modi...able-care-act/

and the person on the phone will walk you through line-by-line your tax return to derive the expected income - no charge.

If your friend didn't file a tax return, she's got bigger problems with the govt than her health insurance. Oh, unless, of course, this is your friend -

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Post#5953 at 06-09-2015 12:29 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
and the person on the phone will walk you through line-by-line your tax return to derive the expected income - no charge.
Only if you live in Maine.
It's a shame that a private org has to be consulted to help people get what is supposed to be a public service.
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Post#5954 at 06-09-2015 12:59 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Only if you live in Maine.
It's a shame that a private org has to be consulted to help people get what is supposed to be a public service.
Not really. It's a private service with a public mandate ... unless we're talking Medicaid. Even Vermont is having trouble getting a public option, and they have a law on the books requiring one.
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Post#5955 at 06-09-2015 01:10 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
...Even Vermont is having trouble getting a public option, and they have a law on the books requiring one.
-Especially VT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/05/us...ultimedia&_r=1

Just a few years ago, lawmakers in this left-leaning state viewed President Obama’s Affordable Care Act as little more than a pit stop on the road to a far more ambitious goal: single-payer, universal health care for all residents.Then things unraveled...

...Mr. Shumlin and his advisers concluded the plan would require “enormous” new taxes, including an 11.5 percent payroll tax on all Vermont businesses and a sliding-scale income tax of up to 9.5 percent. In all, he said when he announced that he was shelving it, the plan would require about $2.5 billion in additional revenue in its first year, in a state that raises only about $2.7 billion in taxes annually...

That "unravelling" is called "reality."


http://www.startribune.com/big-premi...ket/306436431/

Big premium increases that Minnesota insurers proposed last week reflect losses they’ve been taking in a part of the market targeted by the federal health law...

...Low rates that some people initially found on MNsure have already started to go away.

Golden Valley-based PreferredOne made a big splash in 2014 during the first year of the exchange, but had to pull out of MNsure for 2015 after low rates proved unsustainable. The company increased premiums by an average of 63 percent for 2015, prompting thousands of subscribers to take their business elsewhere...

-Huh. High prices lead people to take their business elsewhere. Do tell...

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
...Maybe JDG needs help with definition of terms...
-No, I know what the amygdala is, thanks. I'm just referring to the fact that PW has apparrently discovered a new word.

Ah! This is what he's about:

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
... and he could move beyond the basic neuro structures/functions and into a farily deep reseach on the relative size/activity/influence of the amygdala on conservatives vis-a-vis liberal mindset. Lots of links but this one pulls it together pretty well -

http://www.alternet.org/story/155210..._is_terrifying ...
...a bit of fuzzy research. I'm surprised Suj Rani Nihilist hasn't commented. Or has she? Oh well.

OTOH, there's an important study which decades have never contradicted:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a325914.pdf

(p. 61, #59)

...we discover that the panicky bedwetters who pee their pants, run away, or shoot their own guys by accident were actually most likley to be those who described themselves as "very liberal."

This shouldn't surprise us; if there's anyone who's irrationally fearful, it's proggies, who appease anyone who wants to kill them and are convinced that the end of the welfare state would result in everyone starving to death, naked, in the snow!


Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Yep, way okay with the excise tax on Cadillac Plans...
-Ah! It should be interesting to see the battle between the bands duelling leftist thugs and their competing interests!

Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
... It's a shame that a private org has to be consulted to help people get what is supposed to be a public service.
-That's OK. IRS advice lines are often wrong, too. Guess who picks up the tab if you accept their bad advice?







Post#5956 at 06-09-2015 01:33 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Medical insurance subsidies are supposed to be a public benefit for those in need.
I don't care much about playdude's massacre of neuroscience. Not worth responding.
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Post#5957 at 06-09-2015 01:39 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
...I don't care much about playdude's massacre of neuroscience. Not worth responding.
-I thought it was your field of interest. But ever since you became stupid, I guess you stopped caring.







Post#5958 at 06-09-2015 01:49 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-I thought it was your field of interest. But ever since you became stupid, I guess you stopped caring.
Nobody types posts on the internet by primarily using his/her amygdala.
But if people want to believe that, ok by me. Ignorance is a personal choice.
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Post#5959 at 06-09-2015 01:50 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Nobody types posts on the internet by primarily using his/her amygdala...
-I'll show you my amygdala if you show me yours...







Post#5960 at 06-09-2015 02:04 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Only if you live in Maine.
No, its pretty much nationally applicable. As noted, they're using the University of California, Berkeley - that's in California, by the way.


Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
It's a shame that a private org has to be consulted to help people get what is supposed to be a public service.
I guess by that standard the Red Cross should pretty much disband.
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Post#5961 at 06-09-2015 02:07 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
No, its pretty much nationally applicable. As noted, they're using the University of California, Berkeley - that's in California, by the way.

I guess by that standard the Red Cross should pretty much disband.
You didn't really call that number did you.

And really, your own link backs up my so-called useless anecdote:
"We are learning about more and more people having trouble with the income verification process"
It's hardly an isolated incident.
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Post#5962 at 06-09-2015 02:24 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...a bit of fuzzy research. I'm surprised Suj Rani Nihilist hasn't commented. Or has she? Oh well.
She can comment on it all she wants, but it will probable help more if she provides her research study reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. You see, that's what people with fully-functional cerebral lobes would make their judgement upon. You, on the other hand just need some words from any source that you can blow up into large colorized fonts to get that oversized amygdala jerking off and call that 'thinkin.'

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
OTOH, there's an important study which decades have never contradicted:

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a325914.pdf

(p. 61, #59)

...we discover that the panicky bedwetters who pee their pants, run away, or shoot their own guys by accident were actually most likley to be those who described themselves as "very liberal."

This shouldn't surprise us; if there's anyone who's irrationally fearful, it's proggies, who appease anyone who wants to kill them and are convinced that the end of the welfare state would result in everyone starving to death, naked, in the snow!
Leave it to an amygdala-dominated to find 'intellectual' encouragement in a 50+ year old study, based on even older, highly-discredited Marshall data. What next, an 1890's study of women in hoop skirts having difficulties with hitching teams of horses in the 1860s as rationale for why women shouldn't drive sport cars with stick shifts today? What a moron.
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Post#5963 at 06-09-2015 02:45 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-I'll show you my amygdala if you show me yours...
Really, I don't care.
By responding to that crap, you're feeding into his attempt to distract from the real issue at hand.
Which, of course, is that low-income Americans are still having a hard time getting access to health insurance.
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Post#5964 at 06-09-2015 02:57 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Really, I don't care.
By responding to that crap, you're feeding into his attempt to distract from the real issue at hand.
Which, of course, is that low-income Americans are still having a hard time getting access to health insurance.
There is those that do - with the biggest drop in uninsured ever -



Now those numbers could go to zero with both single payer and extending that to non-documented immigrants, but then there's those a-holes (see "GOP") that fight that every chance they get.

Then there's folks like you that just bitch because, well, your amygdala tells you to.
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Post#5965 at 06-09-2015 02:58 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Really, I don't care...
Perhaps not, but, other than lighting up an MRI scan, I'll-show-you-mine is a tad suicidal.
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
You didn't really call that number did you.
Sure did; how else would I know their connection to UCB? Using the phone and talking to actual people I guess is a dying art. I guess I'm showing my age.

Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
And really, your own link backs up my so-called useless anecdote:
"We are learning about more and more people having trouble with the income verification process"
It's hardly an isolated incident.
Why would that surprise anyone when we know that nearly 1/2 of the people opposing the ACA still believe it sets up "death panels" to kill off grandmothers??? Could there be a crack in your usual cynicism?
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Perhaps not, but, other than lighting up an MRI scan, I'll-show-you-mine is a tad suicidal.
We should all get use to carrying around our personal MRI scan - eventually, they're going to determine if you get to vote, drive a car, have a kid, etc. Certain folks will probable be able to get all the pot they want to smoke for free based on just having a really bright spot on that right hand side.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
Sure did; how else would I know their connection to UCB? Using the phone and talking to actual people I guess is a dying art. I guess I'm showing my age.
If you had called the number, you'd know that they only offer assistance to residents of Maine.
You're showing your willingness to lie. Not that I'm surprised by that, since others on this forum have called you out before.
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
If you had called the number, you'd know that they only offer assistance to residents of Maine.
You're showing your willingness to lie. Not that I'm surprised by that, since others on this forum have called you out before.
They never asked.

Did your conversation start with - "Hey assholes, I'm a nihilist moron who makes t-baggers look good when it come to Obama-hatin and I particularly hate Obamacare as the devil's creation... so, can you help me because I have this friend...."

I'm sure that worked magic for ya.
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
They never asked.

Did your conversation start with - "Hey assholes, I'm a nihilist moron who makes t-baggers look good when it come to Obama-hatin and I particularly hate Obamacare as the devil's creation... so, can you help me because I have this friend...."

I'm sure that worked magic for ya.
I'm sure pathological lying works for you.
Or maybe not. Eventually people get caught.
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
I'm sure pathological lying works for you.
Or maybe not. Eventually people get caught.
So we go from me trying to provide you with some info that could help your [imaginary?] friend

to you calling me a pathological liar because someone on the other end of the phone didn't ask where I lived.

You really are a perfect example of the amygdala-dominated.
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It's bad because we can kill it

And here's an example of the cognitive dissonance in the amygdala-dominated sheeple that their elite masters rely upon -



- if you find that incredulous, just remember that nearly half the people that oppose Obamacare still believe it sets up "death panels" to take out grandma.

Truly, amazing.
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I don't think it's cognitive dissonance. I think it's a well-seasoned GOP political trying to spin the issue, as usual.







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Six million people is a lot.
Well maybe they'll get it fixed.
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Quote Originally Posted by Bronco80 View Post
I don't think it's cognitive dissonance. I think it's a well-seasoned GOP political trying to spin the issue, as usual.
To be clear, it is well-seasoned GOP political elites trying to spin the issue in a manner to take advantage of the cognitive dissonance of their amygdala-dominated sheeple.

See "dog whistle"
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