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Post#6076 at 06-18-2015 12:59 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
I did not say that you said that I'm lying. I said that I'm lying.
I'm curious: when others read that does your mind's vision of Rani morph into this guy?-

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Post#6077 at 06-18-2015 01:01 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Expecting bad results to be blamed on bad actors in Bright Red states is highly unlikely. They know their personal devils, and they are always to blame. Case in point: Kansas just reelected Sam Brownback. No one thought he did a good job, but he's not one of Them.
Agree, limited potential, alone. But in combination with changing demographics, helpful.
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Post#6078 at 06-18-2015 01:50 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I'm curious: when others read that does your mind's vision of Rani morph into this guy?-
I don't see how that's possible.
You're the super genius; I'm the moron!
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
I don't see how that's possible.
Inconceivable!

Quote Originally Posted by NM
You're the super genius; I'm the moron!
Liar!


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Post#6080 at 06-18-2015 03:28 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
<LOL!>

You know what? I think you're right.

If 'xenophobic' is broadened to basically include 'The Other'(ie: 'Them'), I'd say
all this 'Red vs. Blue-nonsense' is pretty much characteristic of that occurring.
This is the false equivalency meme. It's like holding equally in contempt both the drunk who drove the car into the ditch and the tow truck driver who showed up afterward to pull the car out of the ditch.

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Plus, Mr. Playdick thinks that anyone that doesn't buy-into MMT is a 'moron'
that engages in 'magic pony thinking'(ie: they're 'weird'). That works, too!
The 'moron' label is held for those that repetitively ignored facts presented to them merely because those facts are contrary to their false belief system - they offer no countering facts or rational argument other than 'well, because I say so.' Perhaps that label is incorrect or simply too impolite - I'm trying to interject instead "amygdala-dominated" which reflects more the reality as well as being perhaps less impolite - afterall, we all have 'em.

"Magic pony thinking" has actually been far more used as a touchstone in responses to a particular person on the Far Left who I actually mostly agree with in terms of "ends" but trying to convey that her "means" are a political fantasy. It's a cerebral thing amongst us Lefties - you might not want to delve into it for that would most likely just confuse your amygdala. .
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Post#6081 at 06-18-2015 03:38 PM by playwrite [at NYC joined Jul 2005 #posts 10,443]
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But, the subtle truth is...

Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
I don't see how that's possible.
You're the super genius; I'm the moron!
Now you have me imagining you're this guy -



as in -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGAdzn5_KU
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Post#6082 at 06-18-2015 04:14 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
This is the false equivalency meme. It's like holding equally in contempt both the drunk who drove the car into the ditch and the tow truck driver who showed up afterward to pull the car out of the ditch.

The 'moron' label is held for those that repetitively ignored facts presented to them merely because those facts are contrary to their false belief system - they offer no countering facts or rational argument other than 'well, because I say so.' Perhaps that label is incorrect or simply too impolite - I'm trying to interject instead "amygdala-dominated" which reflects more the reality as well as being perhaps less impolite - afterall, we all have 'em.

"Magic pony thinking" has actually been far more used as a touchstone in responses to a particular person on the Far Left who I actually mostly agree with in terms of "ends" but trying to convey that her "means" are a political fantasy. It's a cerebral thing amongst us Lefties - you might not want to delve into it for that would most likely just confuse your amygdala. .
Absolutely. We bow down before your genius.
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Post#6083 at 06-18-2015 04:17 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Absolutely. We bow down before your genius.
I certainly do. I'd say he nailed the description of red and blue today!
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Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Morons.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
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Post#6085 at 06-18-2015 04:33 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Morons.
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Playdude. hmmmmmmm; that's some good company
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Post#6086 at 06-18-2015 05:00 PM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Playdude. hmmmmmmm; that's some good company
Company? Goodness no.
Those three are no match for playdude's brains.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Company? Goodness no.
Those three are no match for playdude's brains.
He's the only one that can go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.







Post#6088 at 06-19-2015 12:40 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Bronco80 View Post
He's the only one that can go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
Yet another Princess Bride reference. Is this a forum-favorite movie, or just very quotable?
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Not that he has any shot whatsoever to win, but the newest addition to the Republican field has weighed in on health care:

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump...=1&pnref=story
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.

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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Yet another Princess Bride reference. Is this a forum-favorite movie, or just very quotable?
It's very quotable. I'm not sure what the forum thinks but I'd imagine Xers in particular like the hell out of that movie.







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This morning could be the mourning

- of the King vs. Burwell decision.

Check this photo from outside the SCOTUS -



I like those state delegate convention like signs up front that show the tens or hundreds of thousands in each state that will loss health care coverage if the SCOTUS rules for the plaintiffs. Is that something Roberts and/or Kennedy can avoid thinking about?
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Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
I like those state delegate convention like signs up front that show the tens or hundreds of thousands in each state that will loss health care coverage if the SCOTUS rules for the plaintiffs. Is that something Roberts and/or Kennedy can avoid thinking about?
Yeah, that's powerful. Thankfully, Idaho's not one of those states due to the powers that be taking federalism "super seriously" in this case.







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And this is really really funny -

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...es-119308.html

Republicans for months have been planning to use a fast-track budget procedure to extend Obamacare subsidies if the Supreme Court strikes them down — all while completely gutting the underlying law.

But just days before the court’s ruling, the party is still grappling with the question of how much of the law to repeal, in part because of its exorbitant cost.

The plan to use the expedited procedure — called reconciliation — is in flux as lawmakers realize they would have to come up with hundreds of billions in spending cuts to pay for a full repeal of Obamacare. And some Republicans aren’t sure they want to go there.

A new cost estimate from the Congressional Budget Office underscored the magnitude of the task: The budget scorekeeper last Friday said a full Obamacare repeal would add $353 billion to the deficit over the next decade. That price tag jeopardizes the GOP plan to use the expedited legislative process for a full repeal because any bill that uses the fast-track procedure, such as subsidy extensions followed by a fuller repeal, must reduce — not increase — the deficit.
The wording is a little muddled, but essentially Obamacare LOWERS the federal deficit by $353 BILLION, and for the bright lights in the GOP Congress, they would have to either raise taxes or cut spending elsewhere by hundreds of billions in order to repeal Obamacare.

Ah, the internal workings of amygdala-dominated minds is really something fascinating.
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Woo-hoo!

Quote Originally Posted by SCOTUSblog
Decision of the Fourth Circuit is affirmed in King v. Burwell. 6-3.
EDIT: here's the opinion:

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...4-114_qol1.pdf







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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ns_127088.html

What happens when the news media catch the White House in a demonstrable lie? That depends entirely on whether they like the administration... That is exactly what the national media have done to an important story about the White House’s intimate working relationship with MIT professor Jonathan Gruber, who helped craft the Affordable Care Act. You may remember Gruber from his infamous videotapes, the ones in which he called the American public too stupid to understand the law. He added their stupidity was helpful to Obama, Pelosi, and Reid in passing the law.

The Obama administration snapped into action. At a press conference, the president noted that Gruber was not employed by the White House and said flatly that he had not played an important role in drafting the law. Nancy Pelosi said the same thing. On background, senior White House officials reinforced the story. They vaguely remembered somebody named Gruber or Goober or something but, fortunately, he played only a marginal role in health care. Thanks for asking. Next question?


Now, this may surprise you, but it turns out the White House knew Gruber very well and knew he played a crucial role in the health care bill. The White House simply decided to lie about it. Perhaps they agree with Gruber’s judgment about your intelligence.

How do we know about Gruber’s role? Not because the White House released any documents, not because the media dug into it, but because the House Oversight Committee... got MIT to turn over the relevant emails. There were 20,000 pages of emails back-and-forth between Gruber and the White House in the crucial months when the bill was being crafted and passed...

...but apparently, six out of 9 justices don't care about facts. Oh well.

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...So you follow a single paper, and get to the usual squabbles among scientists...
-Uh, that would be, "following the links that PW provided, and finding out that his amygdala study was probably what someone called 'the murder of neuroscience.'"

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...had a broken link...
...Playdude, obviously missing the point that earth-shattering research doesn't get a dead-end link from HuffPo, nor do the authors say "huh?" when queried about it.

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...and a full professor blew you off, wow, what a surprise...
--I used my .edu address. You'd think that a self-proclaimed old-school academic like the Playdude would have thought of that. Oh well.

Anyway, Smith answered both questions:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...This was the response I got from the University of Nebraska-Lincoln (where the study was supposedly done):

James:
Can you provide a more complete cite? I’m not sure where this link originated, but it’s not the website of our lab, and the only clue I have is the 2011 date in the URL … and as far as I can recall we neither published nor presented an MRI study in that year (co-authors, correct me if I’m wrong). I’ve pasted in below a complete list of the papers John and I have been co-authors on for the past five years below, hopefully you’ll be able to pick out what you’re looking for.
Cheers
Kevin

... Anyway, I followed up on the other link in HuffPo:

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.o...640.full#aff-1

...and here's what Kevin Smith sent back:

That’s an eye tracking study, not an MRI study. The only MRI study that has my name on it is the one on the list I sent with Woo-Young Ahn as lead author—this was done out of Read Montague’s lab in West Virginia. Our lab has presented a couple of ERP studies at conferences, but those were all really preliminary and none have been published. Sorry I can’t be of more help, but I just can’t figure what study you are referring to..

...Odd way of blowing someone off.

Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...Let's put that cherry pick into context...
-Yeah... In so far as the study goes, even the title:

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.o...640.full#aff-1


The political left rolls with the good and the political right confronts the bad...

...notes that conservatives don't give in to their fears; they face and conquer them. Liberals, OTOH, prefer to look the other way. As the Fighter studies show:

www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA325914

...when liberals have to face their fears, they don't do very well. Fortunately, conservatives are around to protect liberals, I guess, although I wonder if it's really worth it.

I'm still waiting for Playwrite to explain why he thinks he knows more about all of this than the US Army and the US Marine Corps. I really haven't seen a response from him on this!

Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
...Perhaps Harvard would like to have you on their neuroscience research team.
- Playdude's also a self-proclaimed finacial expert, an academic scholar, an expert in the selection and training of combat soldiers, and a playwright (even though his work is apparently classified... )... PW obviously didn't have a real reply. I'm shocked.

AMYGDALA! AMYGDALA! AMYGDALA! AMYGDALA! AMYGDALA! AMYGDALA!
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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...but apparently, six out of 9 justices don't care about facts. Oh well.
None of the nine justices mentioned Gruber at all, so when it came to the law he wasn't as important as he's been made out to be.







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Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...Gruber...
If all you got left is Gruber it just goes to show how devastating this morning SCOTUS decision was to "the cause" ... and how inevitable.


Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Uh, that would be, "following the links that PW provided,...
Again a single study that resulted in you being shoo'd away by the prof. He probable figured that if you were too stupid to click on the link to the right, it wasn't worth spending time with you. The nice e-mail is now typical responses to off-the-wall inquiries; one cannot be too careful these days with the informational request setting off something comparable to road rage -- oops, forget you read that - my apologies to all of academy for letting the cat out of the bag.


Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Yeah... In so far as the study goes, even the title:
Such a pogue - I'm surprised you have the time to read these things with all the combat movies you can stream.


Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
The political left rolls with the good and the political right confronts the bad...
Oh, yea, Ray-gun's Grenada ranks right up there with FDR/Truman's WW2. Or maybe Ray-gun's lobbing a few shells in the Beirut hills in a limp response to the Barracks bombing rank right up there on your manly scale with Truman's twin nuking? And as for that one big one claim, does Bush's Iraq prove to be the bigger long-term blunder than Johnson's Nam?

You all think you're the warriors because most wannabe pogues do.

And this is so incredible hilarious! -

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...notes that conservatives don't give in to their fears; they face and conquer them. Liberals, OTOH, prefer to look the other way. As the Fighter studies show:

www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA325914

...when liberals have to face their fears, they don't do very well. Fortunately, conservatives are around to protect liberals, I guess, although I wonder if it's really worth it.

I'm still waiting for Playwrite to explain why he thinks he knows more about all of this than the US Army and the US Marine Corps. I really haven't seen a response from him on this!
Here's your response, pogue, and you're not going to like.

This is the conclusion from the study you've been humpin for years -

3. FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS

a. A comparison of the fighter and non-fighter indicates that the fighter tends to:

(1) Be more intelligent
(2) Be more masculine
(3) Be a "doer"
(4) Be more socially mature
(5) Be preferred socially and in combat by his peers
(6) Have greater emotional stability
(7) Have more leadership potential
(8) Have better health and vitality
(9) Have a more stable home life
(10) Have a greater fund of military knowledge
(11) Have greater speed and accuracy in manual and physical performance.

b. Research results indicate that men who are low in intelligence tend to make
poor fighters; therefore, it can be concluded that when any combat branch is allocated a
disproportionate share of men from the national manpower pool who are low in ability, its
fighting potential will be reduced.

c. The study shows that the qualities of fighters are potentially measurable
and gives promise of the possibility of identifying fighters by appropriately developed
tests. Such tests could be used in the selection of combat leaders.

Let's, for now, put away the hilarity of the measures of "intelligent" "masculine" "doer" "stable home life", etc... I mean afterall this comes from the 1950s when "Leave It to Beaver" and "Father's Knows Best" was what EVERY person and family actually did.

But let's put that aside for now.

Tell me, where does the word "liberal" exist in that conclusion? Hell, find me where "liberal" is used anywhere in the report?

Because if you can't, you are clearly a liar.
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Quote Originally Posted by Bronco80 View Post
None of the nine justices mentioned Gruber at all, so when it came to the law he wasn't as important as he's been made out to be.
Do you mean this guy?:




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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Do you mean this guy?:




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Quote Originally Posted by Bronco80 View Post
None of the nine justices mentioned Gruber at all, so when it came to the law he wasn't as important as he's been made out to be.
-He should have been; goes to intent, for those who weren't interested in the letter of the law.

Looks like PW can't get around this:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...Yeah... In so far as the study goes, even the title:

http://rstb.royalsocietypublishing.o...640.full#aff-1


The political left rolls with the good and the political right confronts the bad...

...notes that conservatives don't give in to their fears; they face and conquer them. Liberals, OTOH, prefer to look the other way...
Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
... Tell me, where does the word "liberal" exist in that conclusion? Hell, find me where "liberal" is used anywhere in the report?...
-I pointed that out for him and everyone else:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...I guess the "p." for "page" and the "#" for "number" must have confused him.


Quote Originally Posted by playwrite View Post
...Here's your response...
-Actually, my question was this:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
...I'm still waiting for Playwrite to explain why he thinks he knows more about all of this than the US Army and the US Marine Corps. I really haven't seen a response from him on this! ...
...and notice that he didn't try to answer it.
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