It seems that we are reaching the point that if the Right cannot get what it wants they will whip up the Brownshirt militia nuts to intimidate and terrorize. The assasination of Dr. Tiller lead his family to close his clinic, exactly what the Operation Rescue terrorists wanted. Terrorism is about using violence to scare people into doing what you want them to do.Originally Posted by Bob Butler 54
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Odin is right. Terrorism has stopped abortion in much of the country. I do not yet see it developing as a general conservative tactic, however. We forget how big a role terrorism has played in American history. It kept freed blacks down in the South for 100 years and it was also quite effective against labor unions for a long time. Mormons and abolitionists suffered from it before the Civil War. I can't think of a time, however, except perhaps Reconstruction, when it has been used against systematically against public officials.
David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
My book: The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
The Revolution comes to mind.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch
"Человек не может снять с себя ответственности за свои поступки." - L. Tolstoy
"[it] is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky
A census worker was found hanged with the word "fed" scrawled onto his chest: www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/1248263.html. I don't know about anyone else, but I am getting sick of this paranoia that is being spread by the right-wing over the US Census.If these people hate the US Government so much, then why don't they leave the country and let us civilized people live in peace.
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I don't know what is going to happen in the next few years but I would like to look at a possibly brighter side for a moment. It is possible that Limbaugh, Beck, Joe Wilson, tea parties and the rest are actually substitutes for violent action. I oppose any restrictions on speech because I think violent speech can be a substitute for violent acts. So it has been for much (not all) of American history. So it may be now.
On the other hand, the amount of attention people like Beck--who has never shown any real knowledge about anything--are getting is a most depressing fact about modern American life. "If it bleeds, it leads," has been extended to mean, "If it's mean, put it on the screen."
(I'm sure some one can do better than that but you get the idea.)
PBrower2 -- in re the JFK assassination--you might want to check out this book.
David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
My book: The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
I am almost speechless. Republican TERRORISM, that is what this is. Send Limbaugh, Beck, Bachmann, and Palin to Gitmo!A census worker was found hanged with the word "fed" scrawled onto his chest: www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/1248263.html. I don't know about anyone else, but I am getting sick of this paranoia that is being spread by the right-wing over the US Census.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
I agree--violent speech can substitute for violent acts. I also think what Limbaugh, et.al are doind acts as a safety valve--they blow off steam that otherwise would build up and cause an explosion.
Sure--even though they're not the ones who committed the crime. The person who committed the crime I agree should pay for killing that guy. He chose to do what he did, and now he must suffer the consequences. However while I join you in your shock and horror, I ask you to consider what you're typing. If we ran the country the way you're suggesting, the Holocaust would look like a picnic on a summer's day when all of those who dissinted were "sent to Gitmo". Don't fall into the trap of using the authority position you and your ideals have attained to impose a divine right on the rest of us--that's the quickest way to find yourself deposed and dispised.
In consideration of you,
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Do you know what this is? This is the Democrat's Reichstag Fire. You know what the only solution is, Odin.
Right-Wing liberal, slow progressive, and other contradictions straddling both the past and future, but out of touch with the present . . .
"We also know there are known unknowns.
That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know." - Donald Rumsfeld
Well I assume he's joking. But he is setting himself up nicely for the wrath of the Rani.
From Miami it's more likely to be drug dealers or someone undocumented acting from fear (someone in a gang, almost certainly, if that's the case) rather than right-wing hatred. Somewhat further north in Florida I'd agree with you, but Miami is almost a Caribbean port of entry.A census worker was found hanged with the word "fed" scrawled onto his chest: www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/1248263.html. I don't know about anyone else, but I am getting sick of this paranoia that is being spread by the right-wing over the US Census.
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."
"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.
Considering that this is a murder, that was snark beyond belief, Odin. I'm sorry.
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."
"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.
Story from Miami paper, murder in Kentucky.
"On the day the storm has just begun I will still hope there are better days to come."
On Killing
Violent words might let off steam for some, but they might justify violence for others. On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society goes into cultural taboos about killing, and when it is justified. One of the book's prime themes is that post tramatic stress depends in part on whether socitiey's norms will justify acts performed. If a veteran comes back to see anti-war protests rather than being part of a victory parade, the stress level is different. An awards ceremony for a police officer might produce different levels of stress than a review questioning if it was a justified shoot.
Those are the after the fact expressions of a society's taboo against killing. There are also before the fact expressions, where society establishes under what conditions violence might be justified.
Society sets a norm for when violence is acceptable. Limbaugh and company are to some extent moving that norm, whether they intend so or not.
I was being a bit flippant.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Sorry, I was in a bit of a foul mood when I posted that.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Slow down, there. Let's allow the investigation to take place. The last thing we need is a rush to judgment.
Because no countries welcome such people (unless they become Islamic or Commie extremists -- the latter perhaps welcome only in North Korea). Right-wing, ultra-nationalist ideologies don't travel well.A census worker was found hanged with the word "fed" scrawled onto his chest: www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/1248263.html. I don't know about anyone else, but I am getting sick of this paranoia that is being spread by the right-wing over the US Census.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
How do we know that it was a murder, and that if it was a murder it wasn't committed by someone who confuses the Census with the IRS, FBI, DEA, or BATF? Southeastern Kentucky has much outlaw activity.
He could have stumbled into some moonshine stills or a meth lab.
Note:
Census workers are in no way connected to any federal, state, or local law enforcement activities or to any tax authority.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Oops! My bad. Sorry!
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."
"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.
Or maybe he just pissed off a guy named Frank Evans Davidson. Or maybe just a really hungry crazy guy.
'fed' can mean a lot of things. Jumping all over this at first opportunity reeks of the same old desperation-stench that has characterized democrat-ideologues since the one they were sold as Their Man got started actually doing what he meant to do in power. Though to be fair, the republicans did the same thing during their at-bat.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch
"Человек не может снять с себя ответственности за свои поступки." - L. Tolstoy
"[it] is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky
Or it could just mean that Odin is a tad excitable at times.
We democrats can police ourselves.
We need to keep you folks away from spray paint, mace, stink bombs and fur.Or it could just mean that Odin is a tad excitable at times.
We democrats can police ourselves.
I said "democrats," not hoodlums.
That may be, but there have been many complaints by the right over the upcoming 2010 Census: http://mediamatters.org/research/200906250045.
