Originally Posted by James50
That is just horrible and I don't care who's doing it. Disgusting.
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That is just horrible and I don't care who's doing it. Disgusting.
Health care reform anger takes a nasty, violent turn
CNN Reports Health care reform anger takes a nasty, violent turn
No real surprise here.
Looks like Cantor was lying his ass off.
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Talk about "Going Rogue". Sorry, but nothing good comes from mob rule.
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To reply to the speculation on the 2010 thread, this is our Bleeding Kansas.
I keep putting it off...
...but I really ought to learn how to properly handle and maintain a firearm. The day may very well come when I'll need one to defend my life, my loved ones lives, and my property. As it stands right now, I'd be a sitting duck.
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I think so too.
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And I also think that the Kansas-Nebraska Act began the Civil War 4T in 1854.
For the record, I suspect that the true season of that saecular winter was the 16 years from 1854 to the Grant inaugural in 1869. Once Grant becomes president, classic nomadic tycoons like Rockefeller and Mellon made the Guilded Age happen. A hard winter had turned into an austere spring that was cold for many.
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I hear you. I'm usually a pacifist, James50, but I've recently been harassed on a local forum that I've been a member of for 7 years. All of a sudden, people began to take potshots at my race, gender, educational level, etc. over the past few months. They said I was arrogant and... "uppity." It was the strangest thing, but I appeased people by apologizing, and don't plan to spend much time there in the future.
Things are growing unsafe. Seriously, I feel as if my little corner of the world is like Rivendell or Lothlorien in the Third Age of Middle-earth. There are places that I used to feel safe traveling that I wouldn't travel to alone anymore in this skin. Maybe it's all in my mind, but the world has definitely changed. It's enough to encourage me to speak softy, but carry a great big stick.
I'm reminded of Claude McKay's poem, "If We Must Die"...
http://www.wsu.edu/~wldciv/world_civ...r_2/mckay.htmlIf we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursed lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one deathblow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we'll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!
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Agreed on the pacifism bit. I am also sorry to hear that you've been attacked recently, even if it was only on a forum--it still hurts.Glad to see that you're posting again, though.
Agreed. I've been feeling the same about walking around in cities & towns very late at night. Even here in "quiet" Gettysburg, where recently we've been getting Townies drive-thru the campus @ night, shouting profanities & insults at the students--I often get the weight related ones--and throwing trash at us as well. Things are really starting to get nasty, and I'm starting to notice that my valley at home is not only a quiet realm away from all of that, but it's also suffocating in its own sense. Especially since I'm stuck in it taking care of Dad when I'm home.Things are growing unsafe. Seriously, I feel as if my little corner of the world is like Rivendell or Lothlorien in the Third Age of Middle-earth. There are places that I used to feel safe traveling that I wouldn't travel to alone anymore in this skin. Maybe it's all in my mind, but the world has definitely changed. It's enough to encourage me to speak softy, but carry a great big stick.
It's also interesting because I also get this feeling when I'm at Boy Scout camp believe it or not. But in that case it's not the place, but the people who are causing that. Since I started working there in 2005, it has increasingly undergone a microcosom "Crisis". The Boomers took over the camp from the Silents and have been all about making the camp "customer friendly", worrying over the slightest thing that goes wrong, and micromanaging everything. They also aren't as "forgiving" as the old Silent who used to run the camp was. There are finer and finer lines being drawn each year at the camp and it's becoming more and more defined, authoritarian, & rigid each year. As you can imagine, it doesn't inspire a general feeling of safety or comfort.
I'm reminded of Claude McKay's poem, "If We Must Die"...
http://www.wsu.edu/~wldciv/world_civ...r_2/mckay.html
Cool poem.
~Chas'88
Last edited by Chas'88; 03-25-2010 at 11:45 PM.
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First of all, I am glad to see you posting again. I have always enjoyed reading your posts, and hope to see you here more often.
As for your point, I have had the same feelings based on my own experiences. Nothing bad has happened to me, but I do not feel as comfortable in my small community as I had in the past. This is primarily due to me being a progressive in a conservative leaning area. If I didn't have my family, this forum, and the university as an escape, I probably would be going crazy right now.
Cantor (R-VA) was completely lying about violence against him
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...-vandalism.phpRichmond Police Investigate Cantor Building Vandalism
March 25, 2010
The Richmond Police Department is investigating an act of vandalism at the Reagan Building, 25 E. Main St., Richmond, Virginia. A first floor window was struck by a bullet at approximately 1 a.m. on Tuesday, March 23. The building, which has several tenants including an office used by Congressman Eric Cantor, was unoccupied at the time.
A Richmond Police detective was assigned to the case. A preliminary investigation shows that a bullet was fired into the air and struck the window in a downward direction, landing on the floor about a foot from the window. The round struck with enough force to break the windowpane but did not penetrate the window blinds. There was no other damage to the room, which is used occasionally for meetings by the congressman.
The Richmond Police Department is sharing information about the incident with appropriate law enforcement agencies.
At this time there are no suspects.
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That's terrible.
What other types of insults are they giving? Are they racial, political, or sexual?
Is there anyone on the campus or in the community trying to put a stop to this?
For what it's worth, I've never viewed you a being arrogant or uppity. You have always come across to me as being quite genuine and openly honest about your views and takes on things.
They've been known to insult some of our black students & a few girls (calling them sluts & whores).That's terrible.
What other types of insults are they giving? Are they racial, political, or sexual?
Is there anyone on the campus or in the community trying to put a stop to this?
Last night I caught their license plate number and reported it to the campus police. They're aware and are doing "as much as they can". Still it doesn't stop me from imagining setting up a trap that'll send their red pick-up flying off the road and land them right into the little creek behind the fraternities aptly named "the Tiber"--(we always see things from the fraternities floating in "the Tiber" that we'd rather not know exactly where they came from). Ahh, one can imagine.
~Chas'88
Last edited by Chas'88; 03-26-2010 at 01:32 AM.
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
The problem with violence is that it tends to escalate, in a one up sort of way. Acts of violence and retribution get worse and more deadly with every incident.
Those who incite violence, or even condone the use of violence to achieve their own goals, are wrong. It's the responsibility of everyone, regardless of their position on the artificial and very simplistic left-right scale, to speak out against violence and threats of violence of all types.
In a 4T, events can spiral out of control very quickly should the turning take a violent direction. 4Ts can be very violent, but they can also be times when people who disagree on policies can agree to unite toward peace and condemning violent acts of all types. Instead of inciteing violence and retribution, it is better to work toward peaceful solutions. There are so many problems in America needing solutions that taking extreme positions does little to solve them.
There are workable solutions that can be achieved with imagination and creativity. Instead, we have polarization and threats. That is not healthy for America or for any of its citizens, regardless of their political positions.
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To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
It is important to be skeptical. I am glad this looks like almost nothing. Still, I think the venom ("completely lying") toward Cantor is a little off. A place he meets is found with a window smashed and a bullet on the floor. The man is not a ballistics expert. Given the current climate, if I had been him, I would have assumed the worst as well. And the question still remains, where did the bullet come from?
One thing we can do to avoid the Armageddon, the thought of which seems to energize both left and right, to is at least try to assume people's good intentions.
James50
Last edited by James50; 03-26-2010 at 09:20 AM.
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You are speaking my language!
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
The reason many of us are more worried about the right in terms of political violence is not because the left is incapable of it (jeez, didn't the Awakening prove to the contrary?) but because at this time the right is losing the political battle, and it's Crisis-era normal (and a visible projection) that they're going to go on doing so for a while. The left has no reason to turn to violence; the political process is working for us.
Moreover, all of the semi-organized militias around the country are right-wing. So it's a reasonable fear that as progressives continue to win, as the effort to repeal health-care reform fails, as Republicans fail to score a big win this year, the right may come to see revolution as their only course of action. That isn't going to happen before the fall elections, I think, and it may not happen at all; we may see nothing beyond relatively minor things such as are occurring right now. I'm not willing to bet on it, though.
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As a relatively new "member" of this forum, I would caution you: Weasel words like these will not get you off the hook on this forum.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."
Thank you for the "warm" welcome to the forum. As a new "member", I will attempt to take your warnings to heart.
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As you know, I am not near as sanguine about dem prospects this fall, but we will find out soon enough. I think the big concern on the right is that some of the violence buzz is being ginned up to silence and discredit criticism from the right. Like I keep saying - be skeptical about news reports. Some of it is political theatre.
As far as betting on something: in a 4T, any bets are risky. Despite our best efforts, the future is unknowable.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
This is the most distrubing thing about the environment in which we are living in this country right now. Legally we have freedom of speech in this country, however, as noted, people are afraid to exercise this right for their own personal safety. Scary, scary times.Originally Posted by XerTeacher
I hear you. I'm usually a pacifist, James50, but I've recently been harassed on a local forum that I've been a member of for 7 years. All of a sudden, people began to take potshots at my race, gender, educational level, etc. over the past few months. They said I was arrogant and... "uppity." It was the strangest thing, but I appeased people by apologizing, and don't plan to spend much time there in the future.
Things are growing unsafe. Seriously, I feel as if my little corner of the world is like Rivendell or Lothlorien in the Third Age of Middle-earth. There are places that I used to feel safe traveling that I wouldn't travel to alone anymore in this skin. Maybe it's all in my mind, but the world has definitely changed. It's enough to encourage me to speak softy, but carry a great big stick.
Doesn't intent to do something always rule the day?
Yes, people should be held responsible for taking part in irresponsible actions, but you can't claim that someone's been targeted unless there is actual targeting being done. Targeting requires intent.
And I find it very hard to believe that there exists a shooter that is so awesome that he knows how to arc a bullet into a window.
