Originally Posted by Brian Rush

There is no logical connection between wars being waged by the U.S. abroad, and the threat of domestic insurgency here, and to bring the one up as a response to concern about the other is a non-sequitur.

Not entirely. There is overlap in the sense that both the potential domestic insurgency and the violent foreign policy are driven by the political right.

It's also unclear which part of the right is most likely to spawn an insurgency. There's the militia movement, which might, but they've got a lot of conspiracy theorists who are against the war on terror. There are white supremacist groups, but they are few in number and very well infiltrated by law enforcement. I actually think most likely situation would be entirely new groups spun off of the Tea Parties and drawing from the core of the conservative rank-and-file. Such groups would be most likely to be unified in going violent and because of their recent origin, least likely to be successfully detected by law enforcement. Because of that, the part of the right which has driven our foreign policy catastrophes is, in fact, the very same part that is most likely to try to start a civil war.

Originally Posted by Matt1989

Racial insults and homophobia are new to right-wingers? News to me.

Threats of violence are no joke (though vandalizing a DNC HQ is good for a laugh), but liberal attention is misplaced here. What ever happened to the anti-war movement?

There were protests around the anniversary of the Iraq War, but they were overshadowed by the health care debate.

Originally Posted by SaintStephen74

I could have swore that I posted about the shrinking perception between terrorists and american protesters, etc. ( I can't find it now -maybe I posted it elsewhere) I have noted the language changes going on. The Militia groups that were busted are getting WAY different labels than they would have 10 years ago. The Militias haven't changed so much as the way that they are being presented on the MSM. Can you imagine if Columbine happened last week? The talking heads wouldn't be asking 'what when wrong with these kids?', they rather be asking 'How were these kids infiltrated by Al Qaeda?' The game is perception management. Hasn't anyone here ever heard of Edward Bernays? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

How about this video for starters:

The Century Of The Self - Part 1 of 4

If you don't think that the media is rolling out sophisticated propaganda (or PR as it has been refered to for the past 100 yrs), you VASTLY underestimate the potential benifits of doing so. Or is PR something that is only done by evil 'other' nations (like N.Korea, China, Cuba, Iraq, Iran, cold war Russia, etc.)

Poet Robert Bly states in "The Sibling Society" that we are the first culture that has colonized itself. What do you suppose he meant?

I first heard of Ed Bernays in Civilization: A New History of The Western World by British historian Roger Osborne,Bernays is a relative of Freud IIRC. His influence is disturbing.

But I don't think "Columbine = AQ" would go down well with most people, people are not THAT stupid.

Originally Posted by Wes84

I disagree, getting worked up over racial insults, homophobia, threats of violence and acts of vandalism is not crazy talk. I agree that some of it may be a little too much considering that there have been no deaths yet, but the actions of the teabaggers should not be ignored.

Use "Tea partiers" please.

From USA Today:

A 21-year-old white supremacist in Tennessee has pleaded guilty to plotting to kill President Obama near the end of the 2008 campaign along with dozens of other blacks, the Associated Press is reporting.

Daniel Cowart of Bells, Tenn., pleaded guilty today to eight of 10 counts. A plea agreement recommends 12 to 18 years in prison, but a federal judge could impose a longer sentence.

Cowart's co-defendant, 19-year-old Paul Schlesselman of Helena- West Helena, Ark., pleaded guilty in January and will be sentenced April 15.

Authorities have described the two as skinheads who planned a cross-country spree of home robberies and murder that would end with an attack on Obama. They planned to kill 88 blacks and behead 14 of them, police said at the time.

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

... What's actually happened so far isn't so much of a much, but the danger is real, and doesn't rise so much from the Tea Partiers per se as it does from the militia movement. There's a lot of civil-war thinking among militia types. Not all of them (nor even most of them) share the religious apocalyptic thought of the bunch that got arrested recently and are accused of conspiracy to murder police officers and try to spark a revolution, nor are all of them (or even most of them) believers in the race-war idea that consumes some. But all of them believe that they are training for an inevitable war against the government. The violence displayed by the right recently is the tip of the iceberg. In itself it's mostly minor stuff, but it's the immediately-visible portion of something potentially much bigger and more dangerous.

Everyone on all sides needs to get a Chicken Little Reality Check(TM). If the violence is minor and not organized, then it needs to be considered as what it is: petty vandalism. Deal with it as a criminal issue, and downplay the political part. If it can be shown that Important People(TM) collaborated, enabled or even justified these actions, address that. If the actions become serious, demand immediate and forceful action.

It's never smart to make small things seem big, because the big things can then get lost in the noise. People have little patieince for whining, so don't give them an excuse.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Everyone on all sides needs to get a Chicken Little Reality Check(TM). If the violence is minor and not organized, then it needs to be considered as what it is: petty vandalism. Deal with it as a criminal issue, and downplay the political part. If it can be shown that Important People(TM) collaborated, enabled or even justified these actions, address that. If the actions become serious, demand immediate and forceful action.

It's never smart to make small things seem big, because the big things can then get lost in the noise. People have little patieince for whining, so don't give them an excuse.

Well said.

James50

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

From USA Today:

A 21-year-old white supremacist in Tennessee has pleaded guilty to plotting to kill President Obama near the end of the 2008 campaign along with dozens of other blacks, the Associated Press is reporting.

Daniel Cowart of Bells, Tenn., pleaded guilty today to eight of 10 counts. A plea agreement recommends 12 to 18 years in prison, but a federal judge could impose a longer sentence.

Cowart's co-defendant, 19-year-old Paul Schlesselman of Helena- West Helena, Ark., pleaded guilty in January and will be sentenced April 15.

Authorities have described the two as skinheads who planned a cross-country spree of home robberies and murder that would end with an attack on Obama. They planned to kill 88 blacks and behead 14 of them, police said at the time.

Cool! I have no love for skinheads.

Der nutz come from der voodvork oudt!

Originally Posted by The Grey Badger

Der nutz come from der voodvork oudt!

I think that should be "Der Nutz oudt from der Voodvork come!" (To stay true to German grammar.)

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

I think that should be "Der Nutz oudt from der Voodvork come!" (To stay true to German grammar.)

Genau. Dass ist richtig. Jawohl.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Publius

A well-stated, though trite and distracting, meme of leftist elitists who wish to use the power of Big Government to wield absolute power over the liberty of the governed.

I'll try one more time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_protection

Government should have an absolute monopoly of force. Sheesh go read the Blackwater reference again.
Leftist elitist? You're evading the issue at hand. Wrt violence.

1. The bombings in Moscow, "bad violence".
2. Frying some murderer after due process, I'm OK with that. The violence is pardon the pun, "executed within a framework of laws.".
3. Define "Liberty of the governed".

Originally Posted by Chas'88

Genau. Dass ist richtig. Jawohl.
~Chas'88

Ach, du... Die Muttern von der Holzarbeit herauskommen!!

Alas, let us hope the end result is not -

Das eargeschplittenloundenboomerundlargenholeingrundun dalleskaput!

Originally Posted by Xer H

Ach, du... Die Muttern von der Holzarbeit herauskommen!!

Grüss Gott Xer H,

Du bist sehr perfektionistisch.

Du bist richtig, aber The Grey Badger hat "Deutchlish" gesprochen, und Brian Rush hat ihre Grammatik behoben. Ich war glücklich für die korrekte Grammatik.

Tchüss!

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by The Grey Badger

Alas, let us hope the end result is not -

Das eargeschplittenloundenboomerundlargenholeingrundun dalleskaput!

Dass ist Deutchlish.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by the grey badger

der nutz come from der voodvork oudt!

Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!

Originally Posted by Chas'88

Du bist sehr perfektionistisch.

Ja, aber Ich bin Deutsch!!

Tchüss!

Alright people, can we get back to writing in English. There is nothing wrong with the German language, but some of us are not that fluent in it.

Originally Posted by Wes84

Alright people, can we get back to writing in English. There is nothing wrong with the German language, but some of us are not that fluent in it.

Oui, certainement, je suis d'accord entirement. C'est une très bonne idée. Merci beaucoup pour la suggestion.

Originally Posted by Chas'88

Dass ist Deutchlish.

~Chas'88

Thu saecgst sooth. (Oops. Can't get special characters in this program.)

Originally Posted by Chas'88

Grüss Gott Xer H,

Du bist sehr perfektionistisch.

Du bist richtig, aber The Grey Badger hat "Deutchlish" gesprochen, und Brian Rush hat ihre Grammatik behoben. Ich war glücklich für die korrekte Grammatik.

Tchüss!

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Xer H

Ja, aber Ich bin Deutsch!!

Tchüss!

Originally Posted by Wes84

Alright people, can we get back to writing in English. There is nothing wrong with the German language, but some of us are not that fluent in it.

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Oui, certainement, je suis d'accord entirement. C'est une très bonne idée. Merci beaucoup pour la suggestion.

I participate in two boards ... just two. The other has taken to French for the last two days, and this one is now in German ... until that pesky French arrived here too.

Ach du lieber!

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Oui, certainement, je suis d'accord entirement. C'est une très bonne idée. Merci beaucoup pour la suggestion.

*** D'accord! ***

Originally Posted by The Grey Badger

*** D'accord! ***

No me gusta. En espanol, por favor.

為甚麼你們一定要講白人的話?

中文比你們的好!