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Post#1051 at 04-27-2010 07:20 PM by Tone70 [at Omaha joined Apr 2010 #posts 1,473]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
Uh, Cynic, IIRC, the predator nations lost and were occupied by us, who were distinctly neither predator nor prey. Between the wolves and the sheep there is an entity called a guard dog.
David Grossman illustrates this point in regards to a societies composition in his book "On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society"

Basically it's
  • Sheep: 97%
  • Wolves: 2%
  • Sheepdogs: 1%

The wolves are our socoipaths...

WooF!

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Post#1052 at 04-27-2010 07:22 PM by wtrg8 [at NoVA joined Dec 2008 #posts 1,262]
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rush View Post
Having to declare this on a tax return is really not in the same ballpark as being pulled over by the cops, required to show your birth certificate, and being arrested and put in jail if you can't. Nobody's going to jail you for not having health insurance. There is some question of whether or not the no-health-insurance tax is constitutional, but comparing it to the new Arizona law is truly reaching.



No, absolutely it is NOT a state's authority to do so. (And states don't even HAVE "rights.")
You accuse me of over-reaching however both items do in fact speak to the over-reaching of Federal/State government entities. I see both being struck down in court, as well as they should.

Jayhawkers tried to kill my family during the Union Army occupation of New Orleans and the Mississippi territory. They saw the lawlessness and ineptitude of the Federal Government since their was no order in the chaos. Now in the back of my mind; I can only think about the rancher who was murdered on his own ranch. And it could have been prevented. Now you know the other side.







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Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59 View Post
I'm thinking I should purchase a gun, and not only learn how to use it, but become very good at using it.

Just in case.
You don't have a gun?

Good thought...Pick something with common ammo. A class on how to shoot others and not yourself is also good. Don't buy one unless your willing to learn IMO.
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Post#1054 at 04-27-2010 07:29 PM by Tone70 [at Omaha joined Apr 2010 #posts 1,473]
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Quote Originally Posted by Bob Butler 54 View Post
Violent words might let off steam for some, but they might justify violence for others. On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society goes into cultural taboos about killing, and when it is justified. One of the book's prime themes is that post tramatic stress depends in part on whether socitiey's norms will justify acts performed. If a veteran comes back to see anti-war protests rather than being part of a victory parade, the stress level is different. An awards ceremony for a police officer might produce different levels of stress than a review questioning if it was a justified shoot.

Those are the after the fact expressions of a society's taboo against killing. There are also before the fact expressions, where society establishes under what conditions violence might be justified.

Society sets a norm for when violence is acceptable. Limbaugh and company are to some extent moving that norm, whether they intend so or not.
I should read more before I post
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Post#1055 at 04-27-2010 07:34 PM by Brian Rush [at California joined Jul 2001 #posts 12,392]
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Quote Originally Posted by wtrg8 View Post
You accuse me of over-reaching however both items do in fact speak to the over-reaching of Federal/State government entities. I see both being struck down in court, as well as they should.
If the Arizona law is struck down, it will be for 4th Amendment violations, a severe and dangerous encroachment on basic civil liberties by a state government. If the no-health-insurance tax is struck down, it will be for the federal government enacting a law for which it is not empowered by the Constitution, a technical offense that violates nobody's rights anywhere. A state government could do the exact same thing and it would be perfectly constitutional, no question. In fact, a state could impose at least civil fines for failure to buy health insurance, as states do now with auto insurance. Thus, while there is a possibility the federal government has overstepped itself in this case, in no way has it violated any person's legal rights. There is simply no comparison between the two cases. You do NOT have a fundamental right under the law not to buy health insurance -- or a state government would also be prohibited from requiring you to, not just the federal government.

Jayhawkers tried to kill my family during the Union Army occupation of New Orleans and the Mississippi territory. They saw the lawlessness and ineptitude of the Federal Government since their was no order in the chaos. Now in the back of my mind; I can only think about the rancher who was murdered on his own ranch. And it could have been prevented. Now you know the other side.
Now I know the other side's complete irrationality. Not only do you compare a possible technical violation of the limits on the scope of the federal government with clear jack-booted tyranny as if they were even remotely equivalent, but you also equate conditions under martial law during the Civil War with normal federal government operations, as if they were even remotely equivalent. And you blame the federal government for the actions of private activists, as if direct responsibility existed.

I could put the blame on the State of Louisiana for those guys attacking your ancestors. After all, if Louisiana hadn't seceded, U.S. troops would not have been occupying New Orleans. I can similarly blame the State of Texas for my own ancestor's miserable experience in Hood's Division. In fact, every single one of the casualties of the Civil War, and all the loss of property except maybe the loss represented by emancipation itself, can and should be blamed on the state governments that seceded. The federal government was only putting down an insurrection. And that, (possibly) unlike the no-health-insurance tax, IS within its authority under the Constitution.
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Post#1056 at 04-27-2010 07:44 PM by wtrg8 [at NoVA joined Dec 2008 #posts 1,262]
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rush View Post
If the Arizona law is struck down, it will be for 4th Amendment violations, a severe and dangerous encroachment on basic civil liberties by a state government. If the no-health-insurance tax is struck down, it will be for the federal government enacting a law for which it is not empowered by the Constitution, a technical offense that violates nobody's rights anywhere. A state government could do the exact same thing and it would be perfectly constitutional, no question. In fact, a state could impose at least civil fines for failure to buy health insurance, as states do now with auto insurance. Thus, while there is a possibility the federal government has overstepped itself in this case, in no way has it violated any person's legal rights. There is simply no comparison between the two cases. You do NOT have a fundamental right under the law not to buy health insurance -- or a state government would also be prohibited from requiring you to, not just the federal government.



Now I know the other side's complete irrationality. Not only do you compare a possible technical violation of the limits on the scope of the federal government with clear jack-booted tyranny as if they were even remotely equivalent, but you also equate conditions under martial law during the Civil War with normal federal government operations, as if they were even remotely equivalent. And you blame the federal government for the actions of private activists, as if direct responsibility existed.

I could put the blame on the State of Louisiana for those guys attacking your ancestors. After all, if Louisiana hadn't seceded, U.S. troops would not have been occupying New Orleans. I can similarly blame the State of Texas for my own ancestor's miserable experience in Hood's Division. In fact, every single one of the casualties of the Civil War, and all the loss of property except maybe the loss represented by emancipation itself, can and should be blamed on the state governments that seceded. The federal government was only putting down an insurrection. And that, (possibly) unlike the no-health-insurance tax, IS within its authority under the Constitution.
Majority of State's are looking into writing their own law to keep it from happening.

But I get it now; if a person is on his own property, another person has the right to kill you and take everything you own.
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Quote Originally Posted by wtrg8 View Post
Majority of State's are looking into writing their own law to keep it from happening.
Keep what from happening?

But I get it now; if a person is on his own property, another person has the right to kill you and take everything you own.
No, obviously you don't get it. Did you ask me whether those Jayhawks had a right to try to kill your family? Did I volunteer an opinion on that? No. Nor is the question relevant in any way to what we were discussing.
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rush View Post
Nor is the question relevant in any way to what we were discussing.
It does when an illegal kills a rancher in Arizona on his own property.







Post#1059 at 04-27-2010 08:21 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Tone70 View Post
I'm afraid GWB also acted exactly like a boomer would be expected to act during a crisis, according to S&H. But, OTOH, no one listened so perhaps it is perceived otherwise, as was said elsewhere, and the lack of coordination makes it a 3T over-reaction on the part of GWB.
Whoops! You responded to a post with a big, bad typo (my typo!) that utterly chanced its meaning; 1939, the seventh-to-last year of the last 4T, was clearly 4T. George W. Bush was no FDR; although willing to exploit a short-lived time of martial frenzy, he couldn't channel it to evoke the need for personal sacrifices.

In 1939, international tensions were escalating rapidly; Americans knew something was going very wrong. Although Americans would not organize without a reason, they had shown their willingness to organize to achieve economic justice (unions) and big projects (unprecedented bridges and dams). Two years later Americans would see a despicable act by an aggressive power as a cause for steely resolve. World War II was quickly seen as an ugly, unwelcome, undesired war that had to be won. 2001 was sixty-two years later.

A 3T has weak leadership, intensifying inequality, and an ethos of "get what you can while you can". Sixty years after a 4T is usually a 3T. Sixty-five years after a 4T might be 4T.
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Post#1060 at 04-27-2010 10:44 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by Tone70 View Post
Yes it turned out it was...remember those f**king "townhalls"?
I fear this summer will be even worse If a Dem immigration bill gets going. Expect violence in Arizona.
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It's official, the GOP is now little better than the Nazis.

Install microchips in illegal immigrants, GOP candidate says

Instead of building a border fence to help stem illegal immigration, the U.S. government should implant microchips into immigrants before deportation, much like what is done with pets, Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician and one of seven Republicans running in the 3rd District Congressional primary, said Monday.

While speaking at a Tama County Republican forum, Bertroche made it clear that he wasn’t joking when he suggested treating undocumented immigrants like pets.

From the Cedar Rapids Gazette:

“I think we should catch ’em, we should document ’em, make sure we know where they are and where they are going,” said Pat Bertroche, an Urbandale physician. “I actually support microchipping them. I can microchip my dog so I can find it. Why can’t I microchip an illegal?

“That’s not a popular thing to say, but it’s a lot cheaper than building a fence they can tunnel under,” Bertroche said.
Five of the six other candidates vying for the chance to take on Democratic U.S. Rep. Leonard Boswell also spoke at the event, and each came out strongly against amnesty and in favor of tougher border security. State Sen. Brad Zaun of Urbandale said “illegal people who are here, put them on a bus and send them wherever they came from.” He also contended that immigrants in the country illegally receive government services, like education and health care, and typically aren’t helping pay to support those services.

But that isn’t true. A 2007 study by the non-partisan Iowa Policy Project found that the average undocumented family in Iowa pays about $1,254 in sales and excise taxes, $110 in property taxes and $307 in income taxes, for a total tax contribution of $1,671 each year. This represents approximately 80 percent of the total amount of taxes paid by a documented family in Iowa earning the same income.

Undocumented immigrant workers who work “on the books” also contribute additional state and federal taxes that go to pay for benefits that, because of their illegal status, these workers will never be able to access. Every year, employers pay the State of Iowa an estimated $1.85 million to $2.86 million in state unemployment insurance premiums on behalf of their unauthorized employees, and undocumented workers and their employers together pay an estimated $50.3 million to $77.8 million in Social Security and Medicare taxes to the federal government.
My god, equating human beings with dogs...
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Post#1062 at 04-28-2010 01:04 AM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
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Quote Originally Posted by Tone70 View Post
You don't have a gun?

Good thought...Pick something with common ammo. A class on how to shoot others and not yourself is also good. Don't buy one unless your willing to learn IMO.
Absolutely.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tone70 View Post
You don't have a gun?

Good thought...Pick something with common ammo. A class on how to shoot others and not yourself is also good. Don't buy one unless your willing to learn IMO.
.223, .308, and a shotgun doesn't hurt.

Most important is a .22 which will feed your family better than any hunting rifle if things get really bad (birds, squirrels, rats, the neighbor's cat, you get the idea).







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Quote Originally Posted by wtrg8 View Post
It does when an illegal kills a rancher in Arizona on his own property.
It turns out that the rancher killed was in New Mexico, not Arizona.

Given all the sturm und drang about the Arizona situation, I looked on the Arizona Dept of Public Safety website at their crime statistics.

http://www.azdps.gov/About/Reports/Crime_In_Arizona/

In summary, through 2008, here is what I found:

Year # of Violent Crimes # of Murders
2005 29424 441
2006 30833 462
2007 29612 464
2008 28753 404

Wouldn't you think that it would be a necessary (but perhaps not sufficient) condition that to enact draconian legislation, we should be seeing some kind of trend upward in the sorts of crime that we say are worrying us?
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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
It turns out that the rancher killed was in New Mexico, not Arizona.

Given all the sturm und drang about the Arizona situation, I looked on the Arizona Dept of Public Safety website at their crime statistics.

http://www.azdps.gov/About/Reports/Crime_In_Arizona/

In summary, through 2008, here is what I found:

Year # of Violent Crimes # of Murders
2005 29424 441
2006 30833 462
2007 29612 464
2008 28753 404

Wouldn't you think that it would be a necessary (but perhaps not sufficient) condition that to enact draconian legislation, we should be seeing some kind of trend upward in the sorts of crime that we say are worrying us?
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ona-ranch.html







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I stand corrected.

New Mexico sent troops to its border in response to the murder.

This is what I get for assuming that they did it in response to a NM murder.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."







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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
I stand corrected.

New Mexico sent troops to its border in response to the murder.

This is what I get for assuming that they did it in response to a NM murder.
Its unfortunate that New Mexico has to protect itself in that way. I should have included the article, which was my bad.







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Quote Originally Posted by Tone70 View Post
S&H described this as happening in the 2020's over a rumor. It seems to have happened, in fact, after 9/11. Like I said, I am still studying. But does this not suggest an early and perhaps prolonged crisis? Or do I mis-understand, and this will shorten it? Neither?

I'm curious what people who have spent more then 3 weeks thinking about the saeculum have to say.
Apologies if I'm trodding familiar ground here, but Howe himself has said in the past year or so what others have said on these boards -- that the sundry generations in 2001 hadn't yet reached an age where they could play their assigned roles on the stage. So yes, Boomer "leaders would define the enemy broadly and demand its total defeat," but one of the suggested weapons was shopping.

Me, I read T4T shortly after 9/11 and the more I ponder this stuff the less certain I am of anything, save for the fact we've not reached any sort of Regeneracy. And on that, I reserve the right to change my mind...







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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
It's official, the GOP is now little better than the Nazis.

Install microchips in illegal immigrants, GOP candidate says

My god, equating human beings with dogs...

my god, equating just 1 out of 7 candidates for an office with the entire gop.







Post#1070 at 04-30-2010 11:34 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Texas Curl View Post
my god, equating just 1 out of 7 candidates for an office with the entire gop.
Redemption for the GOP is easy: disavow the comment and the person who made it. Did that happen?
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Redemption for the GOP is easy: disavow the comment and the person who made it. Did that happen?
ML, a communist and a Pollyanna to boot? A redemptive political party? The GOP? Please do not hold your breath sir.
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Question bad idea?

Quote Originally Posted by Texas Curl View Post
my god, equating just 1 out of 7 candidates for an office with the entire gop.
So you agree? You think this candidate is at least a dumb-ass? Unlike the other 6 of 7, of course?
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/04/29/reaction_to_immigration_law_worse_than_law_itself_ 105347.html

The law then requires that local police officers, in the context of a "lawful contact," follow up on "reasonable suspicion" that someone is in the country illegally, unless that would jeopardize an investigation, such as by inhibiting the cooperation of victims or witnesses...

...In virtually all cases, for people of all races legally in the United States, encounters with the police will not materially change. The law specifically states that an Arizona driver's license, the first thing the police ask for in most stops, creates a presumption of lawful presence...


Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
It's official, the GOP is now little better than the Nazis.

Install microchips in illegal immigrants, GOP candidate says

My god, equating human beings with dogs...
-No, its equating Illegals with criminals who have a high rate of recidivism.

Which they are.

BTW, the article says how much Illegals pay in taxes, but it somehow failed to answer the original question "how much do Illegals suck out of the taxpayer?" The article does admit that Illegals only pay 80% of what Legals pay, although it leaves the reasons unstated.

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Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket & Playwrite whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.








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Quote Originally Posted by jamesdglick View Post
...In virtually all cases, for people of all races legally in the United States, encounters with the police will not materially change. The law specifically states that an Arizona driver's license, the first thing the police ask for in most stops, creates a presumption of lawful presence.
If that's the case, then explain this:

Truck driver forced to show birth certificate claims racial-profiling


PHOENIX – A Valley man says he was pulled over Wednesday morning and questioned when he arrived at a weigh station for his commercial vehicle along Val Vista and the 202 freeway.

Abdon, who did not want to use his last name, says he provided several key pieces of information but what he provided apparently was not what was needed.

He tells 3TV, “I don't think it's correct, if I have to take my birth certificate with me all the time.”

3TV caught up with Abdon after he was released from the Immigration and Customs Enforcement office in central Phoenix. He and his wife, Jackie, are still upset about what happened to him.

Jackie tells 3TV, “It's still something awful to be targeted. I can't even imagine what he felt, people watching like he was some type of criminal.”

Abdon was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled into a weigh station to have his commercial truck checked. He provided his commercial driver’s license and a social security number but ended up handcuffed.

An agent called his wife and she had to leave work to drive home and grab other documents like his birth certificate.

Jackie explains, “I have his social security card as well and mine. He's legit. It's the first time it's ever happened.”

Both were born in the United States and say they are now both infuriated that keeping important documents safely at home is no longer an option.

Jackie says, “It doesn't feel like it's a good way of life, to live with fear, even though we are okay, we are legal…still have to carry documents around.”

A representative at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) returned 3TV’s calls after researching the incident and she said this was standard operating procedure.
The agents needed to verify Abdon was in the country legally and it is not uncommon to ask for someone's birth certificate. She also said this has nothing to do with the proposed bill or racial profiling.
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Quote Originally Posted by Rose1992 View Post
If that's the case, then explain this:
1) Is that an AZ driver's liscence he's holding? If so, then the cop was out of line.

2) What did the driver do wrong to attract the cops attention? The law is like the seatbelt law in most states; they only bust you if you did something else wrong, first. I'm sure we'll find out the whole story with all the details, which for some reason "Guanabee, Hot & Spicy" wasn't intersted in exploring.

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WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket & Playwrite whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

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