This South Carolina Republican Congressional hopeful has produced perhaps the first campaign ad calling for revolution.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...war-against-us
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This South Carolina Republican Congressional hopeful has produced perhaps the first campaign ad calling for revolution.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...war-against-us
David Kaiser '47
My blog: History Unfolding
My book: The Road to Dallas: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy
I’m not completely sure how to respond to this ad.Originally Posted by KaiserD2
Politically, I fall in the center. Generally, when someone is moderate politically, they refer to themselves as ‘center-right’ or ‘center-left.’ I’m truly ‘center-center,’ which makes voting in general elections very difficult. I have to choose which half of my philosophical views I am willing to betray in effort to serve the other half. I live in an area of the country where the political views of the local population are equally split.
That being my personal world view, here’s my reaction.
This particular ad speaks to a segment of the population with whom I have limited contact. I don’t know how well it would be received locally. But that harkens to just how vast and varied our national philosophies are. There are reasons this might play well for its target audience. Some of those reasons might be valid for honest debate, the other reasons are darker and concerning.
The call to impeach, presumably, President Obama stems from reasons that, to me, are unclear. Has he egregiously violated the Constitution or the Oath of Office? This question isn’t tongue-in-cheek. I think I remain abreast of national events, but it’s possible something slipped past me. If not, I do have serious concerns about our increasing societal propensity toward tossing around very strong words and reactions in effort to censure those we disagree with. Impeachment isn’t a minor consequence.
The camera shot of a pistol wasn’t subtle and, I’m guessing, wasn’t intended to be.
Hope I can phrase this accurately. I am weary of the use of our founding fathers as a means to rally support. We know who they were generally. We do not know who they were specifically. We do not know how they would vote if presented with accurate information come 2012. It’s very possible that someone, somewhere, would be a Democrat.
Yes, he has.
It's just that the way Obama has violated the Constitution tends to piss off the same people who elected him, and pleases the "opposition" party which would otherwise reign him in.
I saw that Stewart bit. It's uncomfortable, but I'm forced to agree that Obama has continued the fascistic policies. What blinders I've worn recently are rapidly coming off. Damn all! It's very disappointing.
Tone70
"Freedom is not something that the rulers "give" the population...people have immense power potential. It is ultimately their attitudes, behavior, cooperation, and obedience that supply the power to all rulers and hierarchical systems..." - Gene Sharp
"The Occupy protesters are acting like citizens, believing they have the power to change things...that humble people can acquire power when they convince themselves they can." - William Greider
It appears that many of us have had our eyes opened over the past few weeks. In a way, I'm grateful that so many are tearing off the veil, because revolutions come from disillusioned, oppressed, and betrayed citizens.
Although, we are nowhere close lanterns and pitchforks. Yet.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
What remains to be seen, of course, is if people are actually "tearing off their veils". More likely, at least looking at things from a broader experience, the bulk of those who are seeing things now were (metaphorically) forced, kicking and screaming, into it. Give them the merest excuse to re-veil themselves, and they will fall on their knees with gratitude to you. And return to the comforting darkness.
There's no pitchforks in the near-term or mid-term future. Democracy in the USA has done its work well.
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch
"Человек не может снять с себя ответственности за свои поступки." - L. Tolstoy
"[it] is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky
Your probably correct, the political opiate in this country is very powerful. But I can hope can't I? Oh, I forgot, hope is what got us deeper into this quick sand of endless war.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
-snicker-
Hope for Change. It's what all the cool kids were doing not so long ago.
They made up posters and everything...
"Qu'est-ce que c'est que cela, la loi ? On peut donc être dehors. Je ne comprends pas. Quant à moi, suis-je dans la loi ? suis-je hors la loi ? Je n'en sais rien. Mourir de faim, est-ce être dans la loi ?" -- Tellmarch
"Человек не может снять с себя ответственности за свои поступки." - L. Tolstoy
"[it] is no doubt obvious, the cult of the experts is both self-serving, for those who propound it, and fraudulent." - Noam Chomsky
Yah but he's still doing it to get elected to the UNITED STATES government. All he's doing is duping the people that actually want revolution but are too geriatric to fight in one.
I wonder what some of our senior historical activists like, Rosa Parks, Mother Jones, Granny D, Ghandi, Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn and many more, would say about that?
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
They'd say "We shall overcome, we shall overcome...."
But note, none of them were calling for armed revolution. If it couldn't be done Gandhi-style, it wouldn't be done right.
That candidate is not, of course, sincere, but it's indicative just the same that he's appealing to sentiments of that nature.
"And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"
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-I guess you've never heard of metaphor. As an example, President Obama compared the BP Clean-up to the gear up for WWII.
So...
Does that mean that the WH is planning to kill people, or that BO is insincere?
I still think it's funny that all these Lefties on the 4TF are screaming about violence, when most of the real violence (as opposed to made up stuff in their heads) comes from just about everyone EXCEPT Conservatives or Libertarians.
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
Considering the fact that you guys started two wars, both of which are still going strong, you might consider changing that tune a bit.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
-That's a distraction from the point that Kaiser keeps pretending that there are all these scary Conservatives and Libertarians and Tea Partiers who are going to beat him up. There aren't. The people who need to worry are the people he accuses. Khutzpah.
But anyway, I'll take a guess and assume you mean OEF & OIF.
1) WE had a truce with Iraq, not a treaty. Saddam consistently broke the terms of that truce, including the attempted assasination of ex-POTUS GHWB. Apparently, Michael Moron thought it was funny, but even POTUS Clinton say things differently;
2) AQ started OEF. Afghanistan was simply our response. A response most Leftiers agreed with, until they discovered that they could use it to take partisan digs at POTUS GHWB.
Including you:
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
The whole gun-culture thing is a bit scary ... especially when people think bringing them to political rallies is agood idea ... or to a bar ... or church. If you want to be considered normal, act that way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a reason to go into Afghanistan, but Iraq was pure hubris ... and greed, I suspect. Nonetheless, neither war has been a success. If either had been, it would have been over long ago.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
-No one gets hurt when Tea Partiers/Whoever do those things. The trouble only starts when union thugs/democratic activists/whatever show up.
Stop acting like thugs, and I'll [stop] pointing out your hypocrisy.
-It's called "finishing the job".
1) And if the enemy had won, it would have been over long ago. Duh.
2) Yes, from henceforth, we will only fight wars which are easy. That will really take us far during 4T.
-Yeah, I reminded you of your hypocritical partisan change of mind on that one. Thus:
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
Last edited by jamesdglick; 06-19-2010 at 12:26 PM.
Well well well. What do you know:
...again, every time we see "The Spiral of Violence", it's some Liberal or Democrat (or both) getting violent with a Conservative or Libertarian.
Huh.
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
While looking up something else, I found this:
...with the inevitable response:
...with this unusal attempt at sanity:
...while the winner is:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/11/census_worker_killing_probe_ne.html
The Census Bureau employee found dead in September killed himself and staged his death to look like a homicide, state and federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday...
I can hardly wait for the apologies from Wes & The Self-Proclaimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom on the revelation that yet another evil Rightie plot turns out to be, uh, a fraud...
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
I don't think that Wes had anything to apologize for. He was simply posting a news article.While looking up something else, I found this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wes84
A census worker was found hanged with the word "fed" scrawled onto his chest: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...y/1248263.html.
...with the inevitable response:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Odin
I am almost speechless. Republican TERRORISM, that is what this is. Send Limbaugh, Beck, Bachmann, and Palin to Gitmo!
...with this unusal attempt at sanity:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Child of Socrates
Slow down, there. Let's allow the investigation to take place. The last thing we need is a rush to judgment.
...while the winner is:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/11/census_worker_killing_probe_ne.html
The Census Bureau employee found dead in September killed himself and staged his death to look like a homicide, state and federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday...
I can hardly wait for the apologies from Wes & The Self-Proclaimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom on the revelation that yet another evil Rightie plot turns out to be, uh, a fraud...
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
-Tsk, tsk, Jenny. You should have clicked back to see the entire post. He (and The Self-Proclaimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom) was trying to blame it on Conservatives &/or Libertarians:
...as usual, it turned out to be wishful thinking.
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
Quit stalking me, Glick.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
The thorazine shot must of worn off. Must remember to use higher dosage...
"Freedom is not something that the rulers "give" the population...people have immense power potential. It is ultimately their attitudes, behavior, cooperation, and obedience that supply the power to all rulers and hierarchical systems..." - Gene Sharp
"The Occupy protesters are acting like citizens, believing they have the power to change things...that humble people can acquire power when they convince themselves they can." - William Greider
-What's a matter, Self-Proclaimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom? You don't like it when I point out when you put your Keyboard in Motion before your brain was in gear?
Like here:
...over a non-existent case of "Right Wing Terrorism"...
...and here, over a "Right Wing" guy:
Oops!
...and when you replied to this:
...with:
Oops!
There are others, but I think I've made my point.
If you want me to stop "stalking" you, maybe you should actually put some thought into what you post, instead of posting knee-jerk stuff which makes you look ridiculous when the truth comes out. You could also consider toning down your language e.g. you could refrain from calling people who say things you don't like "Liars" when you obviously don't know what you're talking about.
I'm sure that Grandpa Kenneth would be proud of you.
Or is that too difficult?
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
Looks like this:
was a lie:
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2008/10/16/kill_him/print.html
The Secret Service says allegations that attendees at two of Sarah Palin's rallies called for the death of Barack Obama are unfounded...
These claims were also lies:
http://politifi.com/news/Video-Proof-No-Tea-Party-Protesters-Really-Didnt-Call-Anyone-The-NWord-312377.html
But now, via Jim Hoft , comes video showing that no such words were said at all...
You really shouldn't jump to conclusions, oh self-proclaimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom; it only feeds the spiral.
...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows!
