Here are some very disturbing remarks from a former UN ambassador, who perhaps doesn't want the world to follow the example of Neville Chamberlain:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100817...20100817120240
Oh, Bolton. He's still around?Originally Posted by jpatrick
Yeah . . . I'm terrified that Iran is about to achieve a 60 year old power generation technology that is fully inspected by the international community. Some one must act now before their plans for world domination come to fruition. Or, maybe, we should just ignore professional bed-wetters like Bolton.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Well, Glen Beck is having his modern day Klan Rally in DC today, an insult to MLK Jr.
These people are scary sh*t. Our very own brownshirts.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
I'm in agreement!
I find the following a bit alarming. Albert Pujols is being honored at the Beck rally. He and the manager of the Cardinals, Tony La Russa, are both attending that crazy event.
In the news:
WASHINGTON (AP) - Baseball star Albert Pujols of the St. Louis Cardinals says he's honored and humbled after receiving an award for his off-field charitable work during Glenn Beck's rally in Washington.
Pujols says he thanks God for giving him a platform through a high-profile career - and says that allows him to be more than just being a player.
Pujols has set up a foundation that helps people with Down syndrome and assist the poor in the Dominican Republic.
Pujols' manager, Tony La Russa, says heroes often are seen as products of movies, television and fiction books, but there are real-life ones.
La Russa says Pujols has had amazing accomplishments in baseball, but what makes him so special is his commitment to his family, faith and community.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story...storyid=213890
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
What is alarming about a wealthy baseball player wanting to help people in his home country with Down's syndrome? And being committed to "family, faith, and community"?
And how is this like a Klan rally?
Sheesh. Listen to yourself.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
Because a significant portion of the American left doesn't know how to combat the Tea Party movement except to accuse it of being little more than a racist backlash against a black president?
Charges of racism are becoming the new McCarthyism, IMO. (And no, I'm definitely *not* a fan of Glenn Beck.)
You mean of course the PC-ness has finally taken its final role before it is overthrown.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Those high profile sports figures being present at a crazy fest with Glen Beck insinuates that they support him and his cause. La Russa, has already aired his voice in the past to the neo-conservative agenda. He is behind the racial profiling that's going on down in Arizona.
Maybe Puljols is sincere, and is only being used as a pawn in Beck's game. But knowing of La Russa's past and current positions, there's more to this than meets the eye.
The PR person for the Cardinals was on television last evening down playing the appearance of his two high profile sports figures attending that ruse of an event. Beck and Palin were sabotaging the anniversary speech of MLK and making it into the opposite of what this peace loving man would have wanted. Being there, unless you were protesting, gave the impression that you were in support of what these hate mongering people were projecting.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
It's beyond racism, these people are radical Fascist authoritarians, and Beck as inciting them into a mouth-foaming mob.
Though perhaps "Racism" is not the right word. It seems to be not a direct hate of non-whites, it is more like a fear about whites no longer being the majority of the population. Many of these people have an "ethnicist" view of what a "Real American" is.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Whhattt? Larussa is behind the vote in Arizona? The manager of a baseball team in Missouri is the secret wizard behind everything that is happening in Arizona. We only need to pull back the curtain. Where do you get this stuff?
Of course, Pujols is just a pawn. Just a child in a man's body. A complete dupe. Now I get it.Maybe Puljols is sincere, and is only being used as a pawn in Beck's game. But knowing of La Russa's past and current positions, there's more to this than meets the eye.
Please quote me a "hate mongering" statement from the rally. They are not even carrying signs. Conservative does not equal hate. Conservative does not equal racist. All I know is what CNN is reporting. It sounds more religious than anything else. Alveda King is there for pete's sake. Or do you think she is also a poor stooge?The PR person for the Cardinals was on television last evening down playing the appearance of his two high profile sports figures attending that ruse of an event. Beck and Palin were sabotaging the anniversary speech of MLK and making it into the opposite of what this peace loving man would have wanted. Being there, unless you were protesting, gave the impression that you were in support of what these hate mongering people were projecting.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
To some of the folks here, I suspect that's even worse than conservative.
I can see where you may have misunderstood my comment about LaRussa in regards to the immigration issue in Arizona. La Russa is not the master mind, he has voiced his support for what the racist sheriff from Arizona is doing in regards to his tactics with the Hispanic population.
I think from Beck's numerous hateful comments and mama grizzley's BS, you don't have to be a genius to understand that there is a hidden agenda in this rally. It's a propaganda fest.
Just wait and see.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
Quotes, please, from the rally.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
I'll get back to you with quotes. In the meantime, I offer this.
Meet MLK's Glenn Beck-loving niece
Pro-life, anti-gay Alveda King talks to Salon about her uncle, beliefs and planned speech at Saturday's big rally
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...ing_glenn_beck
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
I don't live in Arizona so I cannot say whether it is a good or bad law. I do know that the law specifically prohibits profiling and that 64% of the country supports it.
I looked up the section:
B. For any lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of this state or a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency of a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance of a county, city or town or this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien and is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. Any person who is arrested shall have the person's immigration status determined before the person is released. The person's immigration status shall be verified with the federal government pursuant to 8 United States code section 1373(c). A law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution. A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification."
So all you have to have is a driver's license which everyone who is driving is supposed to have anyway. How is asking for someone's driver's license at a traffic stop a "racist tactic"? I get asked for id nearly everywhere I go these days.Interestingly, the federal suit against it does not mention profiling.
Now I am not so naive as to think that police never profile. Obviously some of them do as do many ordinary citizens in their daily lives. But the law specifically prohibits it.
James50
EDIT: original post left out number 4. Sloppiness on my part. The forum vigilantes don't miss a thing.
Last edited by James50; 08-28-2010 at 05:44 PM.
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
Don't kid yourself, they racial profile on a regular basis. And, they ask for papers, not just a drivers license.
Do you carry your birth certificate or immigration papers with you in case you get pulled over? You probaly don't have to unless you have a brown complexion and live in the most racist parts of Arizona.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
I'm all for religious freedom. But I don't believe that some relgious beliefs become part of the law for everyone.
And I am firmly against distorting the loving message of MLK Jr..
Glenn Beck is NOT Martin Luther King Jr.!
Coalition of Interfaith and Civic Leaders Expressed Outrage at Beck's Attempt to Usurp Martin Luther King Jr.'s Civil Rights Legacy
Debuted Brave New Foundation's "Glenn Beck Is Not Martin Luther King Jr." Short
LOS ANGELES - August 27 - Religious leaders today unveiled "Glenn Beck Is No Martin Luther King, Jr." a new online short from Brave New Foundation to express outrage over Glenn Beck's 'Restore Honor' rally and his attempt to usurp the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King's 'I Have A Dream Speech' by holding the event on the anniversary of King's landmark speech. To view online short, click: glennbeckisnotmartinlutherkingjr.com
The speakers at the event, at Hamilton United Methodist Church, included Brave New Foundation's Executive Director, Jim Miller; Reverend Eric Lee, of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC); Reverend William D. Smart of Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice (CLUE); Rabbi Leonard Beerman of Temple Leo Baeck, and Rabbi Steven B. Jacobs, Founder, Progressive Faith Foundation.
http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/08/27-5
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
So God did this?
Quote from the rally today:
Beck said God has been sending the American people many wakeup calls, including the terrorists attacks on 9/11. But he said fear only wakes people up for a very short period of time.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...-for-direction
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
Hopefully that means his 15 minutes are almost up...
Do you live in Arizona?
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
So are most Americans.
Agreed again.But I don't believe that some relgious beliefs become part of the law for everyone.
Yep.And I am firmly against distorting the loving message of MLK Jr..
Blindingly obvious statement of the day.Glenn Beck is NOT Martin Luther King Jr.
What are we arguing about?
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
Can you substantiate this statement? That is not what the law says.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
If Arizona cops are doing this, it isn't because of the law. And if they are doing this contrary to state law they should be fired.
