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Post#2726 at 05-17-2011 12:04 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
...I said both hypothetical and unusual. And Bob Butler is right. Just because something happens very occasionally is no reason to pass laws or take personal action to take care of that very unlikely contingency...
-Hundreds of thousands of times per year is not "unlikely."

Anyway...

Leftie Thuggery:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...mfkwzmNK5EkDxK

Back in Wisconsin, the state attorney general's office last week released documents and audio recordings of some 70 threats against state officials.

Among the most outrageous was an e-mail allegedly from schoolteacher Katherine Windels, which read: "Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell." She's been charged with two felony counts, including a bomb threat.









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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post

Proud Wisconsin Progressive -- screw us and we multiply!
...and send out the occasional death threat to people you disagree with:

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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...mfkwzmNK5EkDxK


Back in Wisconsin, the state attorney general's office last week released documents and audio recordings of some 70 threats against state officials.

Among the most outrageous was an e-mail allegedly from schoolteacher Katherine Windels, which read: "Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell." She's been charged with two felony counts, including a bomb threat.


...ah, yes. Your children are in safe, sane progressive hands...







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The Spiral of Violence

Should we post said flyers around the Faux News studio?







Post#2729 at 05-23-2011 11:50 AM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by evaniMess View Post
Should we post said flyers around the Faux News studio?
-If you enjoy being a thug, and would like to be arrested. Sure!







Post#2730 at 05-23-2011 12:11 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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The hateful troll is back, I see, spouting his hate. He probably still thinks I'm a parasite, too.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







Post#2731 at 05-23-2011 12:21 PM by ziggyX65 [at Texas Hill Country joined Apr 2010 #posts 2,634]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The hateful troll is back, I see, spouting his hate. He probably still thinks I'm a parasite, too.
Yep, and it took me about a second and a half to add to my ignore list.







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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The hateful troll is back, I see, spouting his hate...
Right. This:

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
-Leftie Thuggery:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...mfkwzmNK5EkDxK

Back in Wisconsin, the state attorney general's office last week released documents and audio recordings of some 70 threats against state officials.

Among the most outrageous was an e-mail allegedly from schoolteacher Katherine Windels, which read: "Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell." She's been charged with two felony counts, including a bomb threat.
...is not hate. Pointing out that it's hate is the real hate...

Are you this stupid in real life?







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OMG, posting flyers! There's some real thuggery! And here I was worried about looting.







Post#2734 at 05-23-2011 01:43 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by annla899 View Post
OMG, posting flyers! There's some real thuggery!
-You didn't read it, did you?

Quote Originally Posted by JDG 66 View Post
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...mfkwzmNK5EkDxK

Back in Wisconsin, the state attorney general's office last week released documents and audio recordings of some 70 threats against state officials.

Among the most outrageous was an e-mail allegedly from schoolteacher Katherine Windels, which read: "Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your families will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell." She's been charged with two felony counts, including a bomb threat.


-Death Threats constitute thuggery.







Post#2735 at 05-23-2011 08:53 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by ziggyX65 View Post
Yep, and it took me about a second and a half to add to my ignore list.
I'm suprised he hasn't been IP-blocked because of all the hateful things he's spewed at me.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Post#2736 at 05-24-2011 08:27 PM by KaiserD2 [at David Kaiser '47 joined Jul 2001 #posts 5,220]
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This is a very interesting news clip. As you will see, it occurs during Netanyahu's speech to Congress, when a young Jewish-American pro-Palestinian activist [sic!] began screaming at him from the gallery. I don't approve of her behavior but I approve of what happened next much less. While Bibi was extolling democracy, she was literally set upon by AIPAC members and beaten so badly that she had to go the hospital.

I am no fan of Netanyahu's. He is not the least bit interested in peace and, I suspect, dreams of the day when enough settlers have planted their roots on the West Bank to force all the Palestinians out. I am rather depressed that he could repeatedly bring the entire Congress to its feet cheering in a way that no American President could at this point.







Post#2737 at 05-25-2011 08:22 AM by Earl and Mooch [at Delaware - we pave paradise and put up parking lots joined Sep 2002 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
I am no fan of Netanyahu's. He is not the least bit interested in peace and, I suspect, dreams of the day when enough settlers have planted their roots on the West Bank to force all the Palestinians
out.
And then he'll want a new buffer zone to protect that area. (And once the Arabs are driven from it, he'll want another buffer zone to protect it, too.)

I am rather depressed that he could repeatedly bring the entire Congress to its feet cheering in a way that no American President could at this point.
Considering how many Xers there are in Congress now, and how we were raised to believe Israel can do no wrong . . .
"My generation, we were the generation that was going to change the world: somehow we were going to make it a little less lonely, a little less hungry, a little more just place. But it seems that when that promise slipped through our hands we didn´t replace it with nothing but lost faith."

Bruce Springsteen, 1987
http://brucebase.wikispaces.com/1987...+YORK+CITY,+NY







Post#2738 at 05-25-2011 09:33 AM by KaiserD2 [at David Kaiser '47 joined Jul 2001 #posts 5,220]
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Quote Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch View Post
And then he'll want a new buffer zone to protect that area. (And once the Arabs are driven from it, he'll want another buffer zone to protect it, too.)



Considering how many Xers there are in Congress now, and how we were raised to believe Israel can do no wrong . . .
I am curious to hear more about that last sentence of yours. I assume you are not referring merely to Jewish Xers?







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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I'm suprised he hasn't been IP-blocked because of all the hateful things he's spewed at me.
-Golly, oh self-procalimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom, hate like this?


Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
...All these right-wing racist kooks need to be shut up before they cause a f*cking civil war...
How about your well-documented lies?

...Never happened- a LIE:

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The Secret Service says allegations that attendees at two of Sarah Palin's rallies called for the death of Barack Obama are unfounded...


Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I have been shocked and disgusted by this orgy of right-wing hate, starting with people going "KILL HIM!!!" at Palin's rallies last summer.

...never happened- a LIE:

Quote Originally Posted by jamesdglick View Post
http://politifi.com/news/Video-Proof-No-Tea-Party-Protesters-Really-Didnt-Call-Anyone-The-NWord-312377.html


But now, via Jim Hoft , comes video showing that no such words were said at all...
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I am almost speechless. Republican TERRORISM, that is what this is. Send Limbaugh, Beck, Bachmann, and Palin to Gitmo!
...Didn't happen- a LIE:

Quote Originally Posted by jamesdglick View Post
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2009/11/census_worker_killing_probe_ne.html

The Census Bureau employee found dead in September killed himself and staged his death to look like a homicide, state and federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday...
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Looks like Cantor was lying his ass off.
...uh, it did happen. YOU LIED:

Quote Originally Posted by jamesdglick View Post
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=133821

The only member of Congress to have experienced a bona fide act of violence was a Republican, Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, who had gunshot go through his window and has received actual anti-Semitic threats faxed to him...
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...Oh, but now there is a n***** in the White House, so it's different...
...uh, YOU LIED:

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So funny that you think this guy had a problem with a melanin-enhanced dude in the white house.

More Lies:

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...Translatrion: "They are exposing our war crimes! WAAAAAH!"
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Well, Glen Beck is having his modern day Klan Rally in DC today, an insult to MLK Jr.

These people are scary sh*t. Our very own brownshirts.
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The One Nation progressive rally is on in DC right now and it sounds like a lot more people than at Beck's rally of idiots.

...I'm sure I missed a few.







Post#2740 at 05-25-2011 02:14 PM by Bob Butler 54 [at Cove Hold, Carver, MA joined Jul 2001 #posts 6,431]
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Guys, this is the Spiral of Violence thread, not the Spiral of Accusations That Those Other Guys Call People Names thread.







Post#2741 at 05-25-2011 02:20 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by Bob Butler 54 View Post
Guys, this is the Spiral of Violence thread, not the Spiral of Accusations That Those Other Guys Call People Names thread.
-Same thing.

Besides, accusing one side (or the other) of things they did or didn't does fit in with the spiral. Common to every 4T.







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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
I am curious to hear more about that last sentence of yours. I assume you are not referring merely to Jewish Xers?
Speaking as a 1972er here - between school and the media we, as a whole, not just Jews, have been fed a steady dose of "Arabs are bad, Israelis are innocent victims". I didn't begin to consider that there might be another side to the argument until I was in college.
"My generation, we were the generation that was going to change the world: somehow we were going to make it a little less lonely, a little less hungry, a little more just place. But it seems that when that promise slipped through our hands we didn´t replace it with nothing but lost faith."

Bruce Springsteen, 1987
http://brucebase.wikispaces.com/1987...+YORK+CITY,+NY







Post#2743 at 05-25-2011 05:53 PM by Bob Butler 54 [at Cove Hold, Carver, MA joined Jul 2001 #posts 6,431]
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Quote Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch View Post
Speaking as a 1972er here - between school and the media we, as a whole, not just Jews, have been fed a steady dose of "Arabs are bad, Israelis are innocent victims". I didn't begin to consider that there might be another side to the argument until I was in college.
I see your 1972 and raise to 1954...







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Quote Originally Posted by Bob Butler 54 View Post
Guys, this is the Spiral of Violence thread, not the Spiral of Accusations That Those Other Guys Call People Names thread.
That's why I have that stalker on ignore.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Post#2745 at 05-26-2011 12:40 PM by JDG 66 [at joined Aug 2010 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
You do realize that saying "I have someone on ignore" is not the same as "ignoring."
Especially when you are still name-calling.
-The self-proclaimed One-Eyed God of Wisdom defines "Stalker" as someone who notices when he's full of it, and calls him on it.







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Quote Originally Posted by KaiserD2 View Post
... I said both hypothetical and unusual. And Bob Butler is right. Just because something happens very occasionally is no reason to pass laws or take personal action to take care of that very unlikely contingency. I feel sure that the chance of me being hit by a car and killed on my bike, on which I spend hundreds of hours a year, is much higher than the chances of me being killed by an intruder, but I'm not going to stop riding. There's a saying in the legal profession: "Hard cases make bad law."
Private citizens using firearms over 100,000 times a year is not hypothetical or unusual. This happened to a guy who just happens to be a big shot:

http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_ne...71811-03.shtml

Leonard Boswell, a 77-year-old Democratic member of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee from Iowa, fended off an attempted home invasion at his home in Iowa over the weekend...


Fast & Furious:

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/fe...-news-gun.html

United States taxpayers were picking up the tab for Mexican drug lords' weaponry in order that the ATF could identify high-up gun-traffickers. But, as it turns out, these high-up gun-traffickers were already known to other agencies – FBI, DEA and other big-spending acronyms in the great fetid ooze of federal alphabet soup in which this republic is drowning. And, indeed, some of those high-ups are said to have been paid informants for those various federal agencies... dollars went to fund one federal agency to buy guns for the paid informants of another federal agency to funnel to foreign criminals in order that the first federal agency might identify the paid informants of the second federal agency...

If, by this stage, you're wondering why U.S. stimulus dollars are being used to stimulate the Mexican coffin industry, consider the dark suspicion of many American gun owners – that the real reason the feds embarked on this murderous scheme was to plant the evidence that the increasing lawlessness on the southern border is the fault of the gun industry and the Second Amendment, and thereby advance its ideological agenda of ever greater gun control...

The striking feature of big government, from Athens to Sacramento, is its imperviousness to any kind of accountability – legal, fiscal, electoral, popular.



http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...xYF8r1GobKS89M

...Operation Fast and Furious, which seems about to explode right in the face of Attorney General Eric Holder -- and maybe other administration officials, too.


Also known as Project Gunrunner, the Arizona-based operation was supposed to be a sting, under which the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is part of the Justice Department, allowed "straw purchasers" to transfer weapons from gun shops in Arizona to Mexican drug cartels to trace and halt crossborder arms-trafficking.



That's the official version, anyway -- but it's crumbling, fast...

"The evidence we have gathered raises the disturbing possibility that the Justice Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons, but that taxpayer dollars from other agencies may have financed those engaging in such activities," they wrote...

"It is one thing to argue that the ends justify the means in an attempt to defend a policy that puts building a big case ahead of stopping known criminals from getting guns. Yet it is a much more serious matter to conceal from Congress the possible involvement of other agencies in identifying and maybe even working with the same criminals that Operation Fast and Furious was trying to identify." That's the key to this mess -- and the reason that Operation Fast and Furious might turn out to be the biggest Washington scandal since Iran-Contra...
...So if the identities of the Mexican criminals were known to the feds, what was the point of Project Gunrunner -- and why is Holder so desperately trying to stonewall by withholding hundreds of documents from Congress?
Law-abiding gun owners and dealers think they already know. With the Obama administration wedded to the fiction that 90 percent of the guns Mexican cartels use originate here -- they don't -- many suspect that "Fast and Furious" was a backdoor attempt to smear domestic gun aficionados as part of its stealth efforts on gun control by executive fiat. "I just want you to know that we're working on it," Obama was quoted as saying to gun-control advocate Sarah Brady in March. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar..." Unfortunately for the administration, this one's out in the open now...










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I couldn't think of where else to put this:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/to...upert-murdoch/

...On returning, I learned of the already infamous pie-throwing incident. Or, more precisely, the thrower-slapping incident in which Rupert Murdoch’s wife Wendi reacted with wonderful swiftness and accuracy, smacking down the idiot Leftie comedian who so crudely assaulted her husband and perhaps – one can but hope – deterring such stupid stunts in the future...

http://news.yahoo.com/wendi-deng-mur...173000384.html

After Tuesday, the thing they will remember most about the News of the World scandal is the punch Wendi Deng threw to protect spouse Rupert Murdoch from an attacking nobody struggling toward the limelight.

It was a ridiculous scene, something that should have never happened, something that left you worrying that some terrorist could just waltz into a Parliamentary proceeding and begin shooting. Murdoch's attacker, the guy who tried to throw a shaving cream pie in Murdoch's face, is described as a comedian and activist.

He was no Frankel, no Jon Stuart, no Michael Moore. He was not even a Bill Maher. He was simply a common chump taking a beat down from a petite woman in a pink jacket who looked like she could have stepped from the pages of Vogue.

http://www.denverpost.com/nationworl...279?source=rss

...Some reports in the British media suggested that after Tuesday's thwarted attack she even shoved the pie back into the protester's face, screaming.
The protester — identified as Jonathan May-Bowles, a.k.a Jonnie Marbles, a comedian — was later led away by the police with his face covered in white cream.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ch-attack.html

After almost two and a half hours, some of the young members of the public who had queued for admittance were flagging. At the back of the room, Jonathan May-Bowles, 26, a stand-up comedian, rose, apparently to leave. As he passed by Rupert Murdoch, he pulled a shaving foam pie from a plastic bag, striking the older man in the head.


The first to react was Mr Murdoch’s wife, Wendi. She swung a slap at her husband’s attacker and then picked up the plate and tried to hit him with it. Then she moved back to her husband. Sitting on the table before him, she cleared the foam from his face, sometimes embracing him.

James Murdoch was visibly angry. Rupert Murdoch said little. Mr Whittingdale ordered the room cleared.

May-Bowles is a seasoned left-wing campaigner who occasionally performs as a stand up comedian...

A contemporary at university, who asked not to be named, said he had been heavily involved in student politics.

He said: “He was very left-wing and interested in all sorts of issues, but he was slightly frustrated being at Royal Holloway because it is middle class and quite a Conservative campus and he struggled to find people with similar views.”

Moment before launching the alleged attack on Mr Murdoch he used Twitter to announce: “It is a far better thing that I do now than I have ever don before #splat...”

His ex-wife refused to comment on the incident but his ex-girlfriend, Elise Bramich, a film researcher, condemned his actions on the social networking site Twitter.

His parents also refused to comment on the incident.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1226098128939

THE comedian who attacked Rupert Murdoch has lost his liberty, his Labour party membership and his girlfriend...

...John Bercow, the Commons speaker, last night initiated an investigation into the security breach. Visitors to the questioning of Mr Murdoch and his son James, had had to pass through one airport-style scanner with their bags...

After his arrest on suspicion of assault Mr May-Bowles responded to reporters' questions: "As Mr Murdoch himself said, I'm afraid I cannot comment on an on-going police investigation."

(OK. That was funny...)

Last night, Mr May-Bowles's membership of the Labour Party was suspended and a woman claiming to be his girlfriend posted on Twitter: "Not funny. Not clever. Not your girlfriend."

(That is funnier, even if not authentic)

Wes Streeting, the former National Union of Students president, described Mr May-Bowles as a "self-indulgent moron" who had just given Mr Murdoch "a needed exit".



Hoist by his own cus-tard? The joke's on him?

Hmmm...

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/da...als-parliament

But there will perhaps be another longer-lasting effect. Those charged with security at the Houses of Parliament hardly need any more excuse to add to their grand theatre of anti-terrorism. When I first visited the Palace of Westminster in the late 1980s, there was relatively little security, even though there was the clear and present danger of Irish republican attacks. And once you were in, you could walk around reasonably freely.

Now, there is as much ceremony getting into Parliament as when the Queen actually opens it. There are queues, photographs, machine guns, elaborate bag-searches, and very serious faces. The uniformed officials seem to revel in taking even trivial items from frightened visitors and exercising their moment of power. By the time you get through all this you are highly conscious of the power of Parliament's officials, and also the lack of your own.

And thanks to the idiot Jonathan May-Bowles this will undoubtedly get worse. It may well be that the public will be excluded from certain hearings, or partitioned off. Those seeking to legitimately lobby their Members of Parliament will be subjected to more intense searches and, indeed, humiliations by "security" officials.

One has no idea what he was hoping to achieve with his stunt; but we can be fairly certain what "security" officials will try to achieve off the back of it.









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To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







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Bradley Dean, a conservative minister and Michele Bachmann supporter, has filed a huge lawsuit against Rachel Maddow and MSNBC. As far as I can see from the link he hasn't got a leg to stand on. He was quoted completely accurately.







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My first suspicion of the atrocity in Norway was... people linked to dictator Moammar Qaddafi. Needless to say, first suspicions aren't reliably valid. Glenn Beck has shown himself again for what he is worth as a logger of political history -- nothing at best and worse than worthless at the worst. The Hard Right seems to be taking on cult-like characteristics.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
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