Another victory for the Second Amendment:
http://www2.tbo.com/news/pinellas-ne...-se-ar-603022/
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Another victory for the Second Amendment:
http://www2.tbo.com/news/pinellas-ne...-se-ar-603022/
1. Agreed. I would also be ok with allowing non-FFLs to use NICS to verify private sales. (I'd prefer it, since any time something happens and a private sale ends up with the bad guy getting the gun, it's jumped all over without evidence as malice, when the seller likely can't determine it. If there is evidence the seller knew and did it anyway, then they should be prosecuted as well.)Originally Posted by B Butler
2. Ok, with caution. A lot of potential for monkeying around on this one, what aspects of mental health disqualify, temporary or permanent, what prevents either side from stacking the deck? (Can only see the anti-gun side here. If you want a gun, you're too unstable to have one...)
3. Never in favor of persecution. Prosecuting serious local gun crimes, yes, whether they were committed by (former) felons or not.
4. Watch list is an area I don't like, exactly for the reasons you mention.
"On the day the storm has just begun I will still hope there are better days to come."
Merciful $deity...
Rule one. (And two for that matter.)
"On the day the storm has just begun I will still hope there are better days to come."
1) I'm good with.
2) Is highly questionable. There'd have to be a significant amount of of oversight, it'd have to be easy to take people on and off the system, and there'd have to be stringent requirements for objective definitions of people we're denying service, not just a mental health diagnosis in and of itself.
3) I'm not cool with persecuting anyone. If you meant prosecuting, yeah, obviously. Convicted felons shouldn't have guns, and we should do more to make sure they're removed from their possession on conviction.
Breaking- High School shooting in CA:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...unty.html?fark
You have to admire Joe Biden being able to enter a den of wolves and deal with them. He did it with the NRA, and with the Republicans. A 74-year old presidential candidate? Who knows!
Some ideas...
Yep. I used the wrong word. Should have used prosecuting.
I do agree that #3, tracking people with potentially violent mental problems, would have to be handled very carefully.
Breaking from Newsmax.com
PPP: NRA Support Fell After Sandy Hook
A new poll shows that in the three weeks after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., the popularity of the National Rifle Association began to drop. Public Policy Polling found that support for the gun advocacy organization fell from 48 percent to 42 percent, while negative views increased from 41 percent to 45 percent.
In its analysis, PPP suggests that the NRA proposal to place armed guards in schools, or to arm teachers and administrators, has driven some of the new dissatisfaction with the NRA.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/poll-nra-s...o_code=11D41-1
But who de-institutionalized violent mental patients to begin with?
It wasn't the NRA; it was a bunch of knee-jerk radicals of the type the late Morton Downey Jr. characterized as "pablum pukers."
But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.
Don't blame me - I'm a Baby Buster!
This is a perfect case of bad policy derived directly from good intentions. Yes, we institutionalized far too many people in the past, and the idea that they could be cared-for in the commuintiy seemed right. But once the doors opened, the wallets closed. Now, the harmless live in the park and the dangerous are housed in prison. What a plan.
So, we don't know if the idea is viable in this country. It's never been tried.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
Responsible Gun Use:
http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Polic...186516031.html
This guy finally used something *other* than an AR-15:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/cal...html?hpt=hp_t1
Responsible gun use:
Officers Richard Niven (left) and Jeffrey Smoak handle guns that were bought back at St. Benedict's Church in Oakland. Photo: Michael Short, Special To The Chronicle
Definition of a sick society:
A society that sees 26 children and teachers massacred by a psycho with an assault rifle, and yet still refuses to ban them after years and years of mass shootings.
Syn. The United States of America.
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Last edited by Eric the Green; 01-12-2013 at 12:48 AM.
Looks like a case of natural selection to me, weeding out the stupid. He violated several rules of handling firearms.
If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.
- Ludwig von Mises
Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil.
- Lazarus Long
After the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, mental wards went from being seen as innocuous settings for 'inconvenient' people to dehumanizing snake pits. People went there for reasons that would never be accepted today.
How real was 'Nurse Ratched'? There has to be some reality behind convincing fiction. The dirty secret that most people in mental wards are there for alcoholism.
The mass release of mental patients served left-wing values (more personal freedom) and right-wing interests (budget cuts) at the same time. Many mental patients were more competent than the mental ward complex would have had us known. Such people were 'cash cows' for the institution -- easy to manage if they could be sedated into complacency. Some others, of course, were foisted onto families who might qualify for SSI payments. But if mental institutions could be corrupt entities whose employees got a vested stake in keeping people incarcerated as long as possible, most people who got a patient lacked the means for dealing with someone with real problems.
People might be competent at some aspects of life yet be utter lunatics on others. In recent times, does Jared Laughner suggest himself? Where does the line separate the cranky from the violently insane?
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
This sounds more like a victory for natural selection than anything.
Oh but you were editorializing weren't you.
*Edit* Beaten to it by 3 hours.
You'd be better off sending him a pair of pom poms and a skirt... It would fit his self-selected role.
"On the day the storm has just begun I will still hope there are better days to come."
"And I say to you, it's simple. No-one hunts with an assault rifle! No-one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer! End the madness now... set an example for the rest of the nation! You show them how we lead"
http://youtu.be/oc74IY1pAeE
Go Governor Cuomo! Tell it to those on this site who think hunters and citizens need assault weapons and "semi-automatics." Stop obfuscating the issue! It is "simple." Those who oppose these things, are supporting more little children getting riddled with bullets. If we don't act, expect more of the same.
Last edited by Eric the Green; 01-13-2013 at 02:46 AM.
Oh how cute! Cuomo is already angling to be the next guy who gets to routinely order the deaths of little children.
Check with George W. Bush. He may have a spare set left over...
That sound you are hearing is the plane flying right over your head.
You guys who oppose gun control and a "well regulated militia;" you guys are the ones ordering up another one of these massacres. Count on it.
As it turns out, not nearly as many as you voters do.
No reason not to support the one, if you support the other. Not me, I didn't vote for either.
But you do play the game and are a proud and vocal supporter of Barry. Indeed, you stated before the recent election that if you did not live in a state where Barry's victory was certain that you would cast your vote for him.
So how do you feel being a murderer Eric?
