But I didn't vote for Barry; that's still the fact. So you can't legally say that I supported drones. I don't support drones, and I don't support assault weapons. I am consistent; you are not. How does it feel to be a murderer copperfield?

The fantasy about the USA being a tyrannical government that citizens need to be armed to the teeth against, is really amazing. And the gun nuts really think that they need to kill children in order to protect their "right" against a government enforcing the law of the land. This makes me shudder at what kind of country we live in. A shoot 'em up society is not good for the soul. We ought to be concentrating and developing our creative ability and sensitivity. That there's a great need for that is painfully obvious everywhere. If people could appreciate life, they would not be so intent on shooting it to death out of fear of criminals or the government. People would focus on other things. There's a beautiful life out there. I say, come out from behind your walls and your guns, and embrace it and spread it around. We can have a golden age, or we can shoot each other. We have the tools and the potential for either. It is our choice.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

But I didn't vote for Barry; that's still the fact. So you can't legally say that I supported drones. I don't support drones, and I don't support assault weapons. I am consistent; you are not. How does it feel to be a murderer copperfield?

The fantasy about the USA being a tyrannical government that citizens need to be armed to the teeth against, is really amazing. And the gun nuts really think that they need to kill children in order to protect their "right" against a government enforcing the law of the land. This makes me shudder at what kind of country we live in. A shoot 'em up society is not good for the soul. We ought to be concentrating and developing our creative ability and sensitivity. That there's a great need for that is painfully obvious everywhere. If people could appreciate life, they would not be so intent on shooting it to death out of fear of criminals or the government. People would focus on other things. There's a beautiful life out there. I say, come out from behind your walls and your guns, and embrace it and spread it around. We can have a golden age, or we can shoot each other. We have the tools and the potential for either. t is our choice.

But you support him and will continue to support him (you have said as much). Hiding behind your vote may be convenient for you when you look in the mirror or during those long, dark nights but in the end you are still just as much a killer as he is.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

But you support him and will continue to support him (you have said as much). Hiding behind your vote may be convenient for you when you look in the mirror or during those long, dark nights but in the end you are still just as much a killer as he is.

I certainly think Obama was much better than Rob-me, and one of those two dudes was going to be elected. If Romney had won, we would have had much more war and more drones than with Obama; I am sure of that.

Unlike you scientific dudes who are so careful about avoiding breaking physical laws and stuff, I am a very practical and realistic guy

"am going to support him"? I dunno; we'll see. He's not running again. Mostly I write to him and express my opinions.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

The fantasy about the USA being a tyrannical government that citizens need to be armed to the teeth against, is really amazing. And the gun nuts really think that they need to kill children in order to protect their "right" against a government enforcing the law of the land

I am astounded that you can say that after the NDAA was passed, which allows for indefinite detention of American citizens without any kind of trial. Come to think of it the president now has a kill list which strikes me as a big indication that we do have a tyrannical government. There is also the matter of the spying the government is doing. There is of course the fact that you are Eric the Obtuse with an infinite ability to overlook the obvious. The Boomers were bitching about the imperial presidency of Nixon for wire-tapping a few phones and breaking into the Democratic Party headquarters which seems positively benign by comparison to what is going on now.

I guess its acceptable now because it is someone you support doing it. Don't give me any crap about not voting for him because you have been very vocal about your support for Obama for years.

This article sums up the double standard that the powers that be have about firearms.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I certainly think Obama was much better than Rob-me, and one of those two dudes was going to be elected.

And if those were the only two options available to you, you would vote for....

Originally Posted by Copperfield

But you do play the game and are a proud and vocal supporter of Barry. Indeed, you stated before the recent election that if you did not live in a state where Barry's victory was certain that you would cast your vote for him.

So how do you feel being a murderer Eric?

Who is Barry? You don't mean this clown?

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

Who is Barry? You don't mean this clown?

RWers like to call the president by his childhood nickname Barry for some reason. Probably as a way to belittle him (essentially called a black man "boy").

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

Who is Barry? You don't mean this clown?

Nah. Different clown. His kindergarten teacher from Hawaii apparently remembers him using that nickname as a kid. It's a reasonable enough shortening for his given name.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

And if those were the only two options available to you, you would vote for....

I didn't know "scientists" like you talked on the basis of speculation......

I haven't had to vote on that basis since 1988. There have been other options since then. Even in 1980 I didn't have to vote Democratic, and I didn't.

I just think the people can realize, if they choose, than guns are no longer a worthwhile hobby. There are many other sports that are a lot more fun than target practice or shooting poor animals and robbing them of life just for your fun. And there are other means of defense. Move to a safer neighborhood, for one. There is no reason for Americans to have by far the biggest obsession with guns in the world. At some point, we could choose to be civilized instead. And gun nuts would not have to scream "second amendment" or "confiscation" whenever anyone suggests that there are other obsessions besides guns to have, or when anyone proposes sensible regulations like Obama and Cuomo are proposing.

It is rather ironic too that "the need for a well-regulated militia" is used by some to justify "the right to bear arms," when such a militia was supposedly needed for the government to put down rebellions (according to the second amendment); and it's exactly to stage a rebellion as "citizens' defense against the government" that lots of folks scream that they need their guns for.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

There are many other sports that are a lot more fun than target practice or shooting poor animals...

Taking the advice of an admitted total-ignorant as to how much fun the thing about which he is ignorant is, compared to other things, would be... a little silly, to say the least. Next you would have us take Mandarin Chinese lessons from a person who has never been outside lower Appalachia* or met ever met anyone who has?

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*I pick the region to correspond best to Eric's biases, not because it's in any way particularly justified in fact.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Taking the advice of an admitted total-ignorant as to how much fun the thing about which he is ignorant is, compared to other things, would be... a little silly, to say the least. Next you would have us take Mandarin Chinese lessons from a person who has never been outside lower Appalachia* or met ever met anyone who has?

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*I pick the region to correspond best to Eric's biases, not because it's in any way particularly justified in fact.

Yeah, I used to like Appalachia, but they've gone over to the other side. West Virginia voted for Jimmy Carter in 1980, and Dukakis in 1988, and had one of the biggest margins for Romney of any state.

I'm sure they have lots of guns to go along with their coal. But I know what shooting a gun is. That's not hard to imagine at all. There are lots of other ways to have fun. what's really hard for me to imagine, is how people can value such a silly hobby more than they value peoples' lives. Yeah, now that is hard.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

You guys who oppose gun control and a "well regulated militia;" you guys are the ones ordering up another one of these massacres. Count on it.

That's right, blame us and continue to ignore the issue (the sicko's) who do the killing.

New York Nears Gun Limits
Tighter Weapon Law Passes Senate With Bipartisan Support, Moves to Assembly

By LAURA NAHMIAS
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...004271978.html

ALBANY, N.Y.—Gov. Andrew Cuomo and state lawmakers agreed late Monday on a series of new gun-control laws that would make New York the first state to put new restrictions on firearms after the Newtown, Conn., school shooting in mid-December.

The bill passed the state Senate Monday at about 11:20 p.m. by a vote of 43-18, and the more liberal state Assembly said it would take up the measure on Tuesday morning. The legislative package included nearly everything sought by Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat who has exhorted state lawmakers to lead the nation on the issue.

The measure, which would tighten the state's ban on what it defines as assault weapons, would include a ban on ammunition magazines holding more than seven bullets, increased penalties and prison sentences for some gun crimes and a requirement that mental-health providers report potentially dangerous patients to authorities.

The legislation would also expand background checks for most gun owners and require them to renew their license every five years, among other things.

"This is one of the greatest problems facing the state," Mr. Cuomo said at a news conference in the Capitol on Monday night. "It's one of the, if not the most comprehensive responses to this crisis. I think it will go a large way toward making a difference."

Originally Posted by Classic-X'er

That's right, blame us and continue to ignore the issue (the sicko's) who do the killing.

I blame both. Why do you want sickos to have weapons?

Uh, there are already laws against murder. And guess what, Mr. Lanza won't be punished by one.

Originally Posted by Classic-X'er

That's right, blame us and continue to ignore the issue (the sicko's) who do the killing.

OK, I asume you're on board to spend the roughly $100B needed to reestablish a viable mental health system. Can we count on your vote?

From 2009:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...retired-lawyer

Owner of 41 weapons in home smothered with a pillow...

Everytime someone with a firearm screws up, or mass murders people, weapons enthusiasts are going to be more popular. Right?

Originally Posted by The Rani

It's a wasted effort to scapegoat the mentally ill as being responsible for gun violence.
As others have repeatedly noted, our entire society is sick.

Do you have a prescription?

Originally Posted by The Rani

I'd start with waking the hell up and not voting for presidential candidates who bomb more innocent people than all serial killers/mass murderers combined.
"The other guy would have been worse" is no excuse. By that logic, we should have elected the school killer, since his total body count was less than thirty.

if this is really about "body counts," obama's polcies will probably end up saving more lives than they take.

Originally Posted by The Rani

It's a wasted effort to scapegoat the mentally ill as being responsible for gun violence.
As others have repeatedly noted, our entire society is sick.

There is actually a north-south gradient when it comes to violent crime rates. the northern states are about as low as those of Canada and Western Europe, while the crime rates in the South and Southwest are extremely high. So, obviously, the northern states, whether they be blue or red, are doing something right, while the southern states have a problem.

Responsible Gun Owner Persecuted By Government:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...mit/?mobile=nc

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

OK, I asume you're on board to spend the roughly $100B needed to reestablish a viable mental health system. Can we count on your vote?

I think that will happen as soon as the right-to-lifers begin adoping unwanted children in large numbers...

This was depressing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States . It is a well organized list of school shootings by decade with a chart of the notable ones at the bottom. If this is even remotely accurate, there are many, many more of these shootings than I ever knew.

Originally Posted by The Rani

It's a wasted effort to scapegoat the mentally ill as being responsible for gun violence.
As others have repeatedly noted, our entire society is sick.

And the answer from the gun toters is to allow, nay even encourage, sickos to have semi-automatic weapons.

Gun obsession is the chief symptom of whatever sickness can be diagnosed in our society. I'd say it's a good place to start treating the sickness, even if it's not the only place.