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Post#4051 at 04-17-2013 11:12 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by jadams View Post
That's interesting. Aren't the Texas bombing thought to be aryan prison gang inspired? Not sure, can't remember.

Just on tumbler: AP : BREAKING: Person briefed on probe: Boston explosives made of pressure cookers with metal, ball bearings -MM

Pressure cooker and ball bearings? Speculation?
A pressure cooker exploding? Such was used as a murder weapon in Texas. Someone left a pressure cooker with the valves closed running in a room with his lover's parents with the intention of getting his lovers' parents' inheritance. It exploded, killing the elderly couple. The killer eventually started dropping clues, and was extradited to Texas where he was convicted and executed.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#4052 at 04-17-2013 11:15 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by '58 Flat View Post
This will shock the Boomer New Leftists who dominate this forum, but I don't think Muslims did it.

Think about it: April 15th is Tax Deadline Day - and it was also Patriot's Day, which used to be celebrated on its actual date instead of the third Monday in April.

And that actual date? April 19th - the holiest day on the far-right "liturgical calendar" (see Waco, Oklahoma City, etc.).

If it had been Muslims they would have proudly claimed credit for it by now.
Terrorists gladly adopt the techniques of other terrorists so long as the techniques fit their proclivities.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#4053 at 04-17-2013 02:35 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by '58 Flat View Post
This will shock the Boomer New Leftists who dominate this forum, but I don't think Muslims did it.
If Muslims did it, that would fit well into the New Right neo-con program. Their (and your) expectable reaction to that would NOT be a shock to "Boomer New Leftists who dominate this forum;" it would be business as usual.

Think about it: April 15th is Tax Deadline Day - and it was also Patriot's Day, which used to be celebrated on its actual date instead of the third Monday in April.

And that actual date? April 19th - the holiest day on the far-right "liturgical calendar" (see Waco, Oklahoma City, etc.).

If it had been Muslims they would have proudly claimed credit for it by now.
Probably so. The day fits the right-wing agenda. But the technique seems to resemble Al Qaeda bombings in places like Iraq. We'll see soon, I guess.

It is interesting that we are seeing simultaneous mail poison terrorism directed at public officials, just like we saw after 9-11. Eerie. I have no political or astrological explanation for that (other than this is a time when greater violence was expected).
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Post#4054 at 04-17-2013 02:36 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
It's tragic that events like the Boston bombing take so many lives and hurt so many people, but perhaps it's even more tragic that they spark a frenzy of "who's to blame" speculations, usually based on people's underlying prejudices rather than the underlying facts of the case.
But then, that's probably one of the goals of these psychos, to get more people hating on each other.
Can we not rise above?
Indeed.

I guess JB has an answer:
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Post#4055 at 04-17-2013 02:51 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
If Muslims did it, that would fit well into the New Right neo-con program. Their (and your) expectable reaction to that would NOT be a shock to "Boomer New Leftists who dominate this forum;" it would be business as usual.



Probably so. The day fits the right-wing agenda. But the technique seems to resemble Al Qaeda bombings in places like Iraq. We'll see soon, I guess.

It is interesting that we are seeing simultaneous mail poison terrorism directed at public officials, just like we saw after 9-11. Eerie. I have no political or astrological explanation for that (other than this is a time when greater violence was expected).
There is also April 20, the anniversary of the birth of someone whose name is best left unmentioned.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#4056 at 04-17-2013 06:43 PM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Irony intended:

Congratulations to the corporate veto in effect in the US Senate that allowed the National Rifle Association to get its way to exempt Americans on the whole from having to get background checks when buying firearms -- so that such clients of its associated manufacturers can sell as many weapons as possible to such "well-regulated militias" as the Bloods, Crips, Aryan Brotherhood, and MS-13.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#4057 at 04-17-2013 07:00 PM by Kepi [at Northern, VA joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,664]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
It's tragic that events like the Boston bombing take so many lives and hurt so many people, but perhaps it's even more tragic that they spark a frenzy of "who's to blame" speculations, usually based on people's underlying prejudices rather than the underlying facts of the case.
But then, that's probably one of the goals of these psychos, to get more people hating on each other.
Can we not rise above?
It's media generated hysteria coupled with the overkill of a 24 hour news cycle. Until people learn to control the amount of news content they take in per time unit, this nonsense response is going to keep happening.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
It's media generated hysteria coupled with the overkill of a 24 hour news cycle. Until people learn to control the amount of news content they take in per time unit, this nonsense response is going to keep happening.
I live just south of Boston. The three traditional network stations are still doing all day coverage of the bombing.

After the Newtown shootings it was suggested that hyper publicizing spree shooters was a bad idea. I'm not sure it is any different with the more political killers. Corporate media is giving them just what they are looking for. Then again, if we are looking at a spiral of violence, sure, the extremists on both sides want to maximize the hype and the violence. The corporate media policy makers are starting to feel like accomplices.
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Post#4059 at 04-17-2013 10:53 PM by annla899 [at joined Sep 2008 #posts 2,860]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
It's tragic that events like the Boston bombing take so many lives and hurt so many people, but perhaps it's even more tragic that they spark a frenzy of "who's to blame" speculations, usually based on people's underlying prejudices rather than the underlying facts of the case.
But then, that's probably one of the goals of these psychos, to get more people hating on each other.
Can we not rise above?
Amen. And the so-called "point" of these acts are to terrorize people. We can either choose to be terrified or refuse. Since 911, the US in general has been buying into it. As individuals, we have choices.







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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
It's tragic that events like the Boston bombing take so many lives and hurt so many people, but perhaps it's even more tragic that they spark a frenzy of "who's to blame" speculations, usually based on people's underlying prejudices rather than the underlying facts of the case.
But then, that's probably one of the goals of these psychos, to get more people hating on each other.
Can we not rise above?
Ha! Dream On! you pragmatically-idealistic/idealistically-pragmatic Early-Xer!
So selfish, you are! So mean! So full of hatred! You'll never learn.

fumai-inga/furaku-inga
Sasori no sashi kizu-Satori!
furaku-inga/fumai-inga
Totemo shizen!
Totemo kawaii!


Prince

PS: Check this out:

2:35PM in response to '58 Flat.

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
If Muslims did it, that would fit well into the New Right neo-con program. Their (and your) expectable reaction to that would NOT be a shock to "Boomer New Leftists who dominate this forum;" it would be business as usual.

Probably so. The day fits the right-wing agenda. But the technique seems to resemble Al Qaeda bombings in places like Iraq. We'll see soon, I guess.
2:36PM in response to your post.
Literally, one minute later!

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Indeed.
You simply can't make this shit up!
(You just gotta love 'em!)
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plus ca change

plus c'est la meme chose
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"Can it be believed that the democracy that has overthrown the feudal system and vanquished kings will retreat before tradesmen and capitalists?" Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America







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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Irony intended:

Congratulations to the corporate veto in effect in the US Senate that allowed the National Rifle Association to get its way to exempt Americans on the whole from having to get background checks when buying firearms -- so that such clients of its associated manufacturers can sell as many weapons as possible to such "well-regulated militias" as the Bloods, Crips, Aryan Brotherhood, and MS-13.
I do not think any of those guys worry about background checks or bans on assault rifles.







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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
It's tragic that events like the Boston bombing take so many lives and hurt so many people, but perhaps it's even more tragic that they spark a frenzy of "who's to blame" speculations, usually based on people's underlying prejudices rather than the underlying facts of the case.
But then, that's probably one of the goals of these psychos, to get more people hating on each other.
Can we not rise above?
I guess not.







Post#4064 at 04-18-2013 03:07 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Ha! Dream On! you pragmatically-idealistic/idealistically-pragmatic Early-Xer!
So selfish, you are! So mean! So full of hatred! You'll never learn.

fumai-inga/furaku-inga
Sasori no sashi kizu-Satori!
furaku-inga/fumai-inga
Totemo shizen!
Totemo kawaii!


Prince

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2:35PM in response to '58 Flat.



2:36PM in response to your post.
Literally, one minute later!



You simply can't make this shit up!
(You just gotta love 'em!)
Consistency is a virtue, after all.

So, I expect you can rise above, and see the light. I have faith; it is possible. The right-wing will not control your mind forever. You have a mind of your own!! The Lord works in mysterious ways. Peace

I'm gonna rise above
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Post#4065 at 04-18-2013 03:08 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Irony intended:

Congratulations to the corporate veto in effect in the US Senate that allowed the National Rifle Association to get its way to exempt Americans on the whole from having to get background checks when buying firearms -- so that such clients of its associated manufacturers can sell as many weapons as possible to such "well-regulated militias" as the Bloods, Crips, Aryan Brotherhood, and MS-13.

Congratulations are in order indeed. The NRA and the gun nuts have virtual ownership of our congress. It would be nice if we the people could take it back. It IS possible!
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

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Post#4066 at 04-18-2013 03:10 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I close my eyes, and I can see people rising above ...
But then I open them again, and there's Eric.

(I know, I'm so mean)
So, just keep your eyes closed!
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Congratulations are in order indeed. The NRA and the gun nuts have virtual ownership of our congress. It would be nice if we the people could take it back. It IS possible!
Ownership is an appropriate word.

Politifact found the following to be true.

In her op-ed, Gabby Giffords said polls show that Americans "overwhelmingly" support "expanding background checks." Four independent polls taken in the previous month showed that some sort of expansion of background checks earned the support of between 83 percent and 91 percent of respondents, a level of backing we think qualifies as "overwhelming." We rate her statement True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...lmingly-suppo/
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
I close my eyes, and I can see people rising above ...
But then I open them again, and there's Eric. <snip ultra-smiley>
Oh my! <heavy giggle-chuckle-laugh>
(I'm running out of terms to describe my laughter.)

Quote Originally Posted by Rani
(I know, I'm so mean) <snip regular-smiley>
I think we both know who the "mean-one" is.
(Oh look! Here he comes, now. )

Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Consistency is a virtue, after all.
Hmm. I haven't heard that one before. I have heard this, though:
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds".
(It is, of course, up to you to determine what is "foolish").

Quote Originally Posted by Eric
So, I expect you can rise above, and see the light. I have faith; it is possible. The right-wing will not control your mind forever. You have a mind of your own!!
Don't worry, Eric. Just remember: We Love You!
(But, then again, you never can tell. )

Quote Originally Posted by Eric
The Lord works in mysterious ways. Peace
Indeed!


Prince

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Quote Originally Posted by Eric
"I'm gonna rise above"
"Born to be Somebody"? "Somebody"? Really?
"And this world will belong to me."?

Good luck with that, Eric.
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
PS:


"Born to be Somebody"? "Somebody"? Really?
"And this world will belong to me."?

Good luck with that, Eric.
I thought he was just getting down with some Black Flag!







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
I thought he was just getting down with some Black Flag!
<LMAO!> Oh man. Could you imagine that?


Prince

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I don't even dare post that performance-vid from youtube!
Poor Eric might never recover.
(That's some Good Sh*t!)
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Oh my! <heavy giggle-chuckle-laugh>
(I'm running out of terms to describe my laughter.)
The Rani must have X-ray vision through her computer.

I think we both know who the "mean-one" is.
(Oh look! Here he comes, now. )
Such judgmental attitudes emanating from the Prince of Cool.

Hmm. I haven't heard that one before. I have heard this, though:
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds".
(It is, of course, up to you to determine what is "foolish").
I have determined it long ago. Consistent Foolishness is adhering to right-wing economic policies, and hiding behind your opinions with laughter. Ha ha ha!

Don't worry, Eric. Just remember: We Love You!
(But, then again, you never can tell. )
Chuck Berry agrees
http://youtu.be/n7qpavmyMU0
PS:

"Born to be Somebody"? "Somebody"? Really?
"And this world will belong to me."?

Good luck with that, Eric.
JB seems to have done pretty well with it! He's an inspiration to all about how we can rise above, and light up the sky like lightning!
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
<LMAO!> Oh man. Could you imagine that?


Prince

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I don't even dare post that performance-vid from youtube!
Poor Eric might never recover.
(That's some Good Sh*t!)
No indeed. 10 seconds was enough. Well, at least I agree with the Sh*t part! Where's my insecticide? Well, at least we're back on topic (violence).
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Been gone for a few months because this board became uninteresting, unnecessarily argumentative and repetitive. Read one page of this forum, was reassured that nothing has changed. See all of you in a 5 more months to see if you guys are done chasing your tails and can discuss anything in an interesting way again.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Rani View Post
Rise above, my friend. Rise above.

ETA some comic relief:
Internet Comes Up With 8.5 Million Leads On Potential Boston Bombing Suspect
No matter who did it; tragedy will be turned into prejudice and an excuse for revenge. That's apparently how many of us roll. Besides, whatever the media reports, we just know for sure that it must be the gospel truth.
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There's no doubt about who did it now. They are two brothers, Muslim fanatics, but appear to be acting on their own. One has already been killed, and a massive manhunt is going on for the second. The older one who was killed has a you tube page that has a lot of Muslim stuff on it, and a deleted playlist entitled "terrorists." They have apparently been in America around Boston for 10 years, but they felt they didn't fit in and hated everyone here.

No doubt some people and pundits will use them as an excuse for more war mongering against Muslims. That would just be perpetuating the spiral of violence.
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