Originally Posted by The Rani

Egads:

Oregon Meat Plant Contractor Falls To Death In Ground Beef Grinder

Hoisted on his own petard.

In the case of seat belts, it could not be clearer that the "beneficial effect" is worth the minimal "restriction."

Thank you for admitting that the position of the "left" on this board is one of violence and hatred against people who disagree with you. The central problem of our times is that many people, empowered by Baby Boomer histrionics, believe they have the right to harm others and control their behavior. And they congratulate themselves for doing so.

This is why Baby Boomers will be remembered especially unfavorably as a group. It is not due to a lack of effective prosecution of their wishes. It is because their politics is fundamentally immoral, and this will bring us to ruin.

"Prophets" are completely amoral, while imagining themselves to have a monopoly on same. Because true morality consists of only those things that involve regard for one's fellow humans, this self-centeredness and egotism is absolutely opposed to morality. This moral flight of fancy leads to abject immorality as one's own ego is seen as justification for imposing one's will on others. For their own good, naturally. The argument in one's mind then becomes, "It would be immoral NOT to impose myself!". This is lunacy, and it is what has driven our culture for over two decades at least.

It is a strange scheme where "pragmatism" is somehow drawn on the opposite end of a scale from "morality", as S&H seem to state with their generational comparisons. Such a worldview is dangerous, and you have to wonder where it comes from.

It may have common origin with a sentiment expressed by one of the people involved in making "Generation Zero" in an interview. In his opinion, it took the fear and horror of World War II to encourage GI mothers to actually mother their children. This is how he explained the difference between people his age and his parents. This is an unbelievably bizarre mindset, and yet so many people share it.

What kind of place does one start from that requires evil and rapaciousness in the absence of coercive force? This goes a long way to explaining the control-freak mindset of the Baby Boomers in general. It is an immoral mind that requires fear of retribution in order to behave properly. Those who live this way cannot imagine that other people are different, and operate out of kindness and charity simply because it is built into the human animal, and lived naturally by those who are not corrupted by a evil, coercive system.

It is also absolutely anti-social behavior to impose your will on others, and yet this is the basis of our "society". Which is to say, we have no society at all. All we have ever known is fear and violence, whether overt or in the form of repression.

There is no evil on this Earth but that of men conspiring to control other men.

I couldn't care less about the chest-thumping or the scheming that goes on to devise whatever control system some people want to impose next. What bothers me is the rising tide of acceptance for murder, and the origins of those feelings in normal people. The schemers, the planners of our lives, those who falsely believe their duty is to inflict their ego on the rest of us, will always exist as long as people accept coercion and obedience to authority as necessary for life. It is the object of a just society to move past those ancient constructs.

The only important thing now is to stop the violence of the police state and interrupt the people's tolerance of murder by government force. The longer this goes on, the greater the opportunity for escalation. We have already become used to the idea that people being killed over petty crimes is a necessary cost of "civilization". It's only a matter of time before mass murder, both of citizens and people of other countries through war, becomes the new cost of safety and civilization. And the evidence for this is right here on this board.

Originally Posted by Seattleblue

Thank you for admitting that the position of the "left" on this board is one of violence and hatred against people who disagree with you. The central problem of our times is that many people, empowered by Baby Boomer histrionics, believe they have the right to harm others and control their behavior. And they congratulate themselves for doing so.

Give me a high five!

Those who live this way cannot imagine that other people are different, and operate out of kindness and charity simply because it is built into the human animal, and lived naturally by those who are not corrupted by a evil, coercive system.

It is rather strange that many supposedly pragmatic Xers adopt this extreme naivete.

There is no evil on this Earth but that of men conspiring to control other men.

What conspiracy was it if a robber pulls a gun on you?

The only important thing now is to stop the violence of the police state and interrupt the people's tolerance of murder by government force. The longer this goes on, the greater the opportunity for escalation. We have already become used to the idea that people being killed over petty crimes is a necessary cost of "civilization". It's only a matter of time before mass murder, both of citizens and people of other countries through war, becomes the new cost of safety and civilization. And the evidence for this is right here on this board.

I think we crossed that line eons ago.

Originally Posted by Seattleblue

In the case of seat belts, it could not be clearer that the "beneficial effect" is worth the minimal "restriction."

Thank you for admitting that the position of the "left" on this board is one of violence and hatred against people who disagree with you. The central problem of our times is that many people, empowered by Baby Boomer histrionics, believe they have the right to harm others and control their behavior. And they congratulate themselves for doing so.

Law enforcement exists to deter behavior that is tempting but wrong, and it uses harsh techniques to deter violations of statutory law. Example: any idiot can pull off an armed robbery, but most people find such behavior appalling. Of those who find it tempting as an easy way of getting money to solve some money problems, the threat of 25 to life in prison might stop one. If that doesn't stop you, maybe the state troopers will convince you to surrender and plea bargain to 25; if that doesn't work and you try to get away from the troopers by firing back at them you might die of police brutality. Justifiable homicide by the police force is still brutality -- in that case fully acceptable.

This is why Baby Boomers will be remembered especially unfavorably as a group. It is not due to a lack of effective prosecution of their wishes. It is because their politics is fundamentally immoral, and this will bring us to ruin.

Boomer politics have been far from entirely Left. Sure, New Left Boomers were awful, and it is a good thing that they never achieved power. They exemplify what Howe and Strauss see as the worst traits of an Idealist generation (this applies to Missionary contemporaries of Herbert Hoover, Transcendental contemporaries of Abraham Lincoln, Awakening contemporaries of Benjamin Franklin, and Reformation contemporaries of Martin Luther or Ignatius Loyola): that they can be ruthless, arrogant, and selfish. Those three vices pose no lesser danger whether they serve reactionary, revolutionary, nationalist, or religious causes. Just think of the horrible Russian Civil War in which Reds and Whites accused each other of murderous intolerance and a complete lack of decency but also consummate narcissism. Both were right about each other but failed to see the planks in their eyes.

The Boomer Right has been awful, too. Think of Karl Rove, who wielded much power through his role as a Party Boss, on behalf of entrenched elites -- definitely right-wing -- with insatiable appetites for power and luxury. Think of Boomers who as CEOs and other top executives earn seven-digit compensation largely for treating subordinates badly and keeping customers from having choices. Those executives seem much like the "governors" of the workhouse in which Dickens' fictional Oliver Twist had a bad time. Charles Dickens was writing about his contemporaries, people corresponding to the Transcendental Generation.

History typically glorifies the last members of Idealist generations on the scene -- the religious and political reformers, the crusaders against such evils as slavery, and notably the great creative people who peak late in life. It doesn't glorify the brutal managerial elites or those who glorify exploitation and superstition.

"Prophets" are completely amoral, while imagining themselves to have a monopoly on same. Because true morality consists of only those things that involve regard for one's fellow humans, this self-centeredness and egotism is absolutely opposed to morality. This moral flight of fancy leads to abject immorality as one's own ego is seen as justification for imposing one's will on others. For their own good, naturally. The argument in one's mind then becomes, "It would be immoral NOT to impose myself!". This is lunacy, and it is what has driven our culture for over two decades at least.

If you can't see the difference between Leon Trotsky and Mohandas Gandhi, both of them decidedly Left, then you are ethically blind. It may be that the first waves of Idealist elites get away with behavior that would be struck down quickly or never form either in any other generation (without question, Boomers and GIs grew up in vastly-different environments, and Boomer and Millennial kids discovered very different rules of the Universe)... and of course what would never tolerated among the peons and proles whose class reality overpowers any generational identity. Of course the most powerful Boomers this time have intensified the degradation of almost everyone not in the economic elite.

I'm old enough to know GIs, the Silent, and Boomers as superiors on the job -- and Boomers were far worse as superiors for reasons that you state. Maybe I would have fit better into the more collegial GI world than the cutthroat world of Boomer-led bureaucracies. The GI executive got his start on the shop floor, married his high-school or college sweetheart, and worked his way through accounting, finance, marketing, production, or engineering through some not-so-promising jobs and didn't become an executive until he was in late middle-age -- by which time he had no desire for sports cars, mansions, a trophy wife, and skiing. The Boomer executive got an MBA and got opportunities that nobody else could ever get again while establishing glass ceilings and treating anyone stuck under those glass ceilings badly because such is good for profits if nothing else. Boomers could bring back the exploitative workhouse as the norm of management-labor relations.

It is a strange scheme where "pragmatism" is somehow drawn on the opposite end of a scale from "morality", as S&H seem to state with their generational comparisons. Such a worldview is dangerous, and you have to wonder where it comes from.

Pragmatism is one of the checks upon "morality" best described as a perverse superego. People can think of their rapaciousness, cruelty, and exploitation as expressions of the highest morality. Just think of what some of the big planters thought of themselves in relation to their slaves -- of all things, benefactors.

Reality has a way of striking such folly. Further tendencies toward economic exploitation in America can end with either a reversal of the trend or some calamity such as either a war to expand the rotten order where it isn't welcome with people scheduled for enslavement defeating America... or perhaps a violent revolution as in Russia in 1917, China in 1949, Cuba in 1958, Romania in 1989, or Libya in 2011.

It may have common origin with a sentiment expressed by one of the people involved in making "Generation Zero" in an interview. In his opinion, it took the fear and horror of World War II to encourage GI mothers to actually mother their children. This is how he explained the difference between people his age and his parents. This is an unbelievably bizarre mindset, and yet so many people share it.

Could it be that Civic generations get the harshest youth and early adulthood and react by making things easy for their children and that Idealist youth get the best and fail to create the benign world in which they were born? Such is one possible explanation of the Generational Cycle. No generation has ever seen education so cheap as Boomers and none has made it so expensive as have Boomers.

What kind of place does one start from that requires evil and rapaciousness in the absence of coercive force? This goes a long way to explaining the control-freak mindset of the Baby Boomers in general. It is an immoral mind that requires fear of retribution in order to behave properly. Those who live this way cannot imagine that other people are different, and operate out of kindness and charity simply because it is built into the human animal, and lived naturally by those who are not corrupted by a evil, coercive system.

If the last completed Crisis says anything, Boomer influence at the end will be restricted to those whom younger adult generations (midlife X and rising-adult Millennial) find most able to appeal to their desires. Only so long will people accept that the way to prosperity is greater sacrifices by the masses on behalf of bureaucratic elites and political hacks who simply take the proceeds of those sacrifices -- unless those elites can get a Gestapo/Kempeitai/NKVD/Mukhabarrat to enforce its way with the threat of the modern equivalent of breaking at the wheel. Boomer elites might still be that bad... but we still have elections. We had better use those wisely.

It is also absolutely anti-social behavior to impose your will on others, and yet this is the basis of our "society". Which is to say, we have no society at all. All we have ever known is fear and violence, whether overt or in the form of repression.

Return, please, to my explanation of why and how society represses armed robberies that neither conscience nor fear stop. Repression of armed robberies is a necessity. Repression of political dissent is an abomination.

There is no evil on this Earth but that of men conspiring to control other men.

Predation does not always rely upon extensive and sophisticated conspiracy.

I couldn't care less about the chest-thumping or the scheming that goes on to devise whatever control system some people want to impose next. What bothers me is the rising tide of acceptance for murder, and the origins of those feelings in normal people. The schemers, the planners of our lives, those who falsely believe their duty is to inflict their ego on the rest of us, will always exist as long as people accept coercion and obedience to authority as necessary for life. It is the object of a just society to move past those ancient constructs.

Texas has a busy death chamber, almost entirely dedicated to putting violent brutes -- all convicted murderers -- to death. I'm not judging the death penalty in this paragraph. The death penalty shows unambiguous condemnation of those seen as the worst of the worst. Are you discussing the formal death penalty, abortion, drone strikes, or workplace deaths? Or the sick role of the National Rifle Association in promoting guns for anyone willing to buy one?

The only important thing now is to stop the violence of the police state and interrupt the people's tolerance of murder by government force. The longer this goes on, the greater the opportunity for escalation. We have already become used to the idea that people being killed over petty crimes is a necessary cost of "civilization". It's only a matter of time before mass murder, both of citizens and people of other countries through war, becomes the new cost of safety and civilization. And the evidence for this is right here on this board.

It took force -- military force -- to put an end to the killings and tortures in Nazi dungeons, 'medical clinics' of the T4 'euthanasia' program, concentration camps, and extermination camps in the last Crisis Era. Osama bin Laden died in an assassination resembling a gangland hit (which was the only way in which to dispose of him) in this Crisis Era. Such is reality. History is an obscene tale written in the blood of innocent people and perpetrators alike.

Originally Posted by '58 Flat

Since when is hyper-religiosity a necessary prerequisite for being a Neocon - when the prohibitive majority of Necons are nominally Reform Jews who have probably never set foot in a synagogue other than for a wedding or funeral since they were 13 years old?

^

A number of them were Democrats prior to the late 1970s.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Corporate America is almost 100% right-wing. Its dream politicians would be members of the Birch Society, and the dream electorate would accept whatever GOP Pravda (a/k/a FoX News Channel) says on behalf of the Master Class.

That's interesting. Most of the executives I know are very, very Blue and some have sat with Obama at fundraisers.

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

That's interesting. Most of the executives I know are very, very Blue and some have sat with Obama at fundraisers.

I don't personally know anyone rich enough to buy seats next to big shot politicians, but I do have the feeling that the 1% is investing in both parties. The few times I was invited to join corruption in action, the PAC at the corporation I worked for was encouraging 'donations' and letters to congressmen favoring awarding a contract we wanted to win against another corporation in another state. Part of one successful effort to sway the awarding of a contract was a commitment to build the factory in the congressional district of the influenced politician.

While it seems likely that the corporate PAC did some big picture lobbying to increase the defense budget, I got the feeling that more of it was to achieve stuff specific to a given contract.

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

That's interesting. Most of the executives I know are very, very Blue and some have sat with Obama at fundraisers.

My younger sister has worked for years in telecommunications as a fairly high level manager (division director and junior executives). Most of her bosses have voted GOP; she's always felt like the odd duck.

CNN is reporting 17 wounded in New Orleans as several shooters fired into a crowd watching a parade. Nothing life threatening according to early reports.

I don't know if I want to bother distinguishing between the apolitical and political shooters at this point.

Originally Posted by B Butler

CNN is reporting 17 wounded in New Orleans as several shooters fired into a crowd watching a parade. Nothing life threatening according to early reports.

I don't know if I want to bother distinguishing between the apolitical and political shooters at this point.

According to your link, it's up to 19 wounded.

Another responsible gun owner:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/us/pen...html?hpt=hp_t2

Over the last twenty years, the number of people injured or killed by guns in California
has decreased dramatically. In 1993, 5,500 Californians were killed by gunfire; by 2010,
the most recent year for which data is available, that number had dropped to 2,935.

http://mikeb302000.blogspot.com/2013...Mikeb302000%29

http://smartgunlaws.org/wp-content/u...rWebFINAL3.pdf



In just two decades, the state’s gun death rate has been cut by 56%, a reduction that
translates to thousands of lives saved every single year.

The rate of gun violence in California has also fallen notably compared to rest of the
country. Today, California has the ninth lowest gun death rate of any state nationwide
when twenty years ago, it had the thirty-fifth lowest rate.

California has taken a comprehensive and courageous approach to addressing the
epidemic of gun violence, and that approach has succeeded.

This is amusing as all hell:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...r-be-shot?lite

Another responsible gun owner:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/52775463/n...&lite=obinsite

This handsome young gentleman simply came unprepared. He only had 498 rounds of ammo for his AK-47, when he came to the elementary school:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...mmunition?lite

Teach 'em when they're young, preferably with black powder:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/ten...html?hpt=hp_t2

Henderson County Sheriff Brian Duke said Terry York, 48, was showing his loaded AR-15 to a family friend in the back room of his wooden mobile home when it misfired and a small fire was ignited.
"It was a bizarre misfire that I hadn't seen for more than 20 years," Duke said.
The fire didn't start out as severe but soon triggered explosions "one right after another" in minutes, according to one neighbor's account made to CNN affiliate WBBJ. Henderson County Fire Chief Lynn Murphy said it took firefighters more than four hours to contain the fire. The entire back room was burned down while the rest of the house saw little damage.
The victim's 12-year-old son died when trying to douse the flames, Duke said. The father was pronounced dead at the scene while the son died en route to the hospital.
Kate Abernathy, a spokeswoman for the state's Bomb and Arson Investigation unit, said there was black gunpowder found inside the room that the victim possibly used to reload his weapon, but it wasn't immediately known what role it played in the incident.
At least one other family member also suffered burns from attempts to enter the back room. No firefighters or neighbors were hurt, investigators said.

A shining example of upstanding gun owners wanting to be free:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...egas-cops?lite

A couple spent hundreds of hours over four months plotting to abduct, torture and kill Las Vegas police officers as a way to attract attention to their anti-authority "sovereign citizens" movement, police said.
David Allen Brutsche and Devon Campbell Newman attended training sessions about sovereign citizen philosophy, shopped for guns, found a vacant house and rigged it to bind captives to cross beams during interrogation, and recorded videos to explain their actions and why officers had to die.

This tragedy strikes close to home; I know Toastmasters who work in Navy Yard, which is only 5-6 miles from my home. Fortunately, the Toastmasters that I know are all safe.

As many as two shooters, including one in fatigues, killed at least four people and wounded eight others in a rampage at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, police said, spreading fear and chaos across the region as authorities tried to contain the incident.

12 Dead in DC Rampage, Shooter Identified
Monday, 16 Sep 2013 03:59 PM
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http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Nav...o_code=14E37-1

One gunman, and possibly a second, opened fire Monday inside one of the Navy's oldest buildings, attacking office workers at a heavily guarded military facility in the heart of the nation's capital. Twelve people were killed and several others — including two police officers — were wounded.

One of the gunmen was dead. Federal law enforcement officials identified him as Aaron Alexis. The two officials spoke Monday to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed-carry weapon permit.

That official says Alexis is believed to have gotten into the Navy Yard by using someone else's identification card. It is not yet clear if that individual was an accomplice or if that person's ID card was stolen.

Police initial said they were searching for two other men believed to have joined in the attack. A possible third suspect was identified Monday afternoon and cleared, police said.

The remaining possible suspect reportedly was disguised in olive-green military-style clothing, and said to be carrying a long gun, D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said.

Investigators said they had not established a motive for the shooting rampage, which unfolded less than four miles from the White House. As for whether it may have been a terrorist attack, Mayor Vincent Gray said: "We don't have any reason to think that at this stage."

The shootings began about 8:20 a.m.

President Barack Obama was getting frequent briefings on the shootings, and in remarks Monday afternoon, called the shooting victims "patriots." Targeting military personnel and civilians, he said, is a "cowardly" act. He described the shootings as an act of "unimaginable violence."

The FBI has taken the lead role in the investigation.

Witnesses described a gunman opening fire from the fourth floor, aiming down on people in the first-floor cafeteria. Others said a gunman fired at them in a third-floor hallway.

As witnesses emerged from the building, a helicopter hovered over the building, schools were on lockdown and airplanes at nearby Reagan National Airport were briefly grounded.

CNN reported an increase in security at the Pentagon and other military installations in the Washington area.

Less than two miles away, security was beefed up at the Capitol. The Senate and its adjacent office buildings were locked down, the Senate sergeant at arms announced.

Monday night's baseball game between the Washington Nationals and the Atlanta Braves was postponed because of the proximity of the stadium, Nationals Park, to the Navy Yard.

DC police were using the stadium parking lot as a location to reunite families with those who work at the Navy Yard.

The conditions of those wounded were not immediately known.

About 3,000 people work at the Naval Sea Systems Command headquarters, which builds, buys, and maintains the Navy's ships, submarines and combat systems. The Washington facility is the largest of the Navy's five system commands and accounts for a quarter of the Navy's entire budget.

Todd Brundidge, an executive assistant with Navy Sea Systems Command, said he and other co-workers encountered a gunman in a long hallway of their building on the third floor. The gunman was wearing all blue, he said.

"He just turned and started firing," Brundidge said.

Terrie Durham, an executive assistant with the same agency, said she also saw the gunman firing toward her and Brundidge.

"He aimed high and missed," she said. "He said nothing. As soon as I realized he was shooting, we just said, 'Get out of the building.'"

Rick Mason, a program management analyst who is a civilian with the U.S. Navy, said a gunman was shooting from a fourth-floor overlook in the hallway outside his office. He said the gunman was aiming down at people in the building's cafeteria on the first floor. Mason said he could hear the shots but could not see a gunman.

Shortly after the gunfire, Mason said someone on an overhead speaker told workers to seek shelter and later to head for the gates at the complex.

Patricia Ward, a logistics management specialist, said she was in the cafeteria and heard shots. They sounded like "pop, pop, pop," she said. After a few seconds, there were more shots.

"Everybody just panicked at first," she said. "It was just people running, running, running."

Ward said security officers started directing people out of the building with guns drawn.

Police and federal agents from multiple law enforcement agencies responded. Ambulances were parked outside, streets in the area were closed, and departures from Reagan National Airport were temporarily halted for security reasons.

Among the wounded was a D.C. police officer, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss an ongoing investigation.

A U.S. Park Police helicopter hovered over the building and appeared to drop a basket with a person onto the roof.

Officials at MedStar Washington Hospital Center said three shooting victims had been brought there and were in critical condition..

District of Columbia schools officials said six schools and one administrative building in the vicinity of the Navy Yard were placed on lockdown. The action was taken due to an abundance of caution, schools spokeswoman Melissa Salmanowitz said.

The Navy Yard is part of a fast-growing neighborhood on the banks of the Anacostia River in southeast Washington, just blocks from Nationals Park baseball stadium and about 1½ miles southeast of the U.S. Capitol.

It houses a museum and the residence of the chief of naval operations, and is responsible for weapons development, among other functions. No other Navy installations have been locked down because of the situation in Washington, the Navy said.

The Washington Post reported that gunfire was heard about 11 a.m., and also that one of the heavily armed shooters was "down." One shooter reportedly was dressed in black and was armed with an assault rifle.

The Post reported there were up to three shooters, one dressed in military fatigues.


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ID on the Navy Yard shooter (he held a Texas concealed carry permit):

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09...gton.html?rh=1#

FORT WORTH — The man suspected of killing 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard, identified as Aaron Alexis of Fort Worth, left the Navy in 2011.
Alexis, 34, was found dead at the site of the Monday morning shooting in Washington. Police say they do not have a motive for the shootings.
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09...#storylink=cpy

Arrested in September 2010
Records show that Alexis was arrested in September 2010 for discharging a firearm within a municipality.
According to a Fort Worth police report, police had been dispatched to the Oak Hills apartments about 6:40 p.m. Sept 4, 2010, on a report that someone had fired a shot through the floor and into the ceiling of a woman’s apartment.
The woman told police she had been sitting in a chair when she heard a loud pop and saw dust.
“She then saw that there was a hole in her floor just a couple of feet from where she was sitting while shredding papers and a hole in the ceiling,” the report states. “She told me that she believed someone had shot a bullet through her apartment.”
The woman told police that Alexis, her downstairs neighbor, did not come up to check on her after the shooting.
She said that Alexis had called police on her several times in the past for “being loud” but that police never heard anything and therefore, no action was taken.
“She said that several days ago Aaron confronted her in the parking lot about making too much noise,” the report states.
The woman told police that she was “terrified” of Alexis and felt the shooting was done intentionally.
The report states police attempted to contact Alexis at his apartment but received no response.
Fearing someone could be hurt, police had called the Fire Department to the scene to attempt to force entry into the man’s apartment. When firefighters arrived on the scene, however, Alexis came outside voluntarily and told officers he had been cleaning his gun when it went off.
“He said that he was trying to clean his gun while cooking and that his hands were slippery. He told me that he began to take the gun apart when his hands slipped and pulled the trigger, discharging a round into the ceiling,” the report states.
“When asked why he didn’t call police or go check on the resident above him, Aaron said that he didn’t think it went all the way through since he couldn’t see any light through the hole,” the report states.
Alexis told police he thought people would dismiss the noise as a firecracker.
“I think he asked why he wouldn’t answer the door when I knocked and he said that he thought it was just his upstairs neighbor and he didn’t want to talk to her because she is always making noise,” the report states.
Police observed the dismantled, oil-covered gun in the apartment with a gun cleaning kit nearby, the report states.
Police arrested Alexis at the scene on suspicion of discharging a firearm in a municipality, a Class A misdemeanor. He was released from jail the next day, Tarrant County records show, and was never formally charged in the case.
“After reviewing the facts presented by the police department, it was determined that the elements constituting recklessness under Texas law were not present and a case was not filed,” said Melody McDonald, a spokeswoman with the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office.
The Orion at Oak Hill apartments in Fort Worth began eviction efforts against Alexis later in September 2010. Records show that he moved from the Oak Hill apartments in December 2010.
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09...#storylink=cpy

Originally Posted by Bad Dog

ID on the Navy Yard shooter (he held a Texas concealed carry permit):

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09...gton.html?rh=1#

FORT WORTH — The man suspected of killing 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard, identified as Aaron Alexis of Fort Worth, left the Navy in 2011.
Alexis, 34, was found dead at the site of the Monday morning shooting in Washington. Police say they do not have a motive for the shootings.
Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/09...#storylink=cpy

Arrested in September 2010
Records show that Alexis was arrested in September 2010 for discharging a firearm within a municipality.
According to a Fort Worth police report, police had been dispatched to the Oak Hills apartments about 6:40 p.m. Sept 4, 2010, on a report that someone had fired a shot through the floor and into the ceiling of a woman’s apartment.
The woman told police she had been sitting in a chair when she heard a loud pop and saw dust.
“She then saw that there was a hole in her floor just a couple of feet from where she was sitting while shredding papers and a hole in the ceiling,” the report states. “She told me that she believed someone had shot a bullet through her apartment.”
The woman told police that Alexis, her downstairs neighbor, did not come up to check on her after the shooting.
She said that Alexis had called police on her several times in the past for “being loud” but that police never heard anything and therefore, no action was taken.
“She said that several days ago Aaron confronted her in the parking lot about making too much noise,” the report states.
The woman told police that she was “terrified” of Alexis and felt the shooting was done intentionally.
The report states police attempted to contact Alexis at his apartment but received no response.
Fearing someone could be hurt, police had called the Fire Department to the scene to attempt to force entry into the man’s apartment. When firefighters arrived on the scene, however, Alexis came outside voluntarily and told officers he had been cleaning his gun when it went off.
“He said that he was trying to clean his gun while cooking and that his hands were slippery. He told me that he began to take the gun apart when his hands slipped and pulled the trigger, discharging a round into the ceiling,” the report states.
“When asked why he didn’t call police or go check on the resident above him, Aaron said that he didn’t think it went all the way through since he couldn’t see any light through the hole,” the report states.
Alexis told police he thought people would dismiss the noise as a firecracker.
“I think he asked why he wouldn’t answer the door when I knocked and he said that he thought it was just his upstairs neighbor and he didn’t want to talk to her because she is always making noise,” the report states.
Police observed the dismantled, oil-covered gun in the apartment with a gun cleaning kit nearby, the report states.
Police arrested Alexis at the scene on suspicion of discharging a firearm in a municipality, a Class A misdemeanor. He was released from jail the next day, Tarrant County records show, and was never formally charged in the case.
“After reviewing the facts presented by the police department, it was determined that the elements constituting recklessness under Texas law were not present and a case was not filed,” said Melody McDonald, a spokeswoman with the Tarrant County District Attorney's Office.
The Orion at Oak Hill apartments in Fort Worth began eviction efforts against Alexis later in September 2010. Records show that he moved from the Oak Hill apartments in December 2010.
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And some contracting firm gave this guy a job working at the Navy Yard.

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

And some contracting firm gave this guy a job working at the Navy Yard.

Desperate to meet that quota. Contracting is now quite common in the military. RAH was big on farming out non-combat specialties to civilian contractors (see:Starship Troopers), and we can see just how well *that* turned out in Iraq/Afghanistan. Class A misdemeanors might get past some screens, but the State Of Texas *supposedly* revokes a CCH for such.

Originally Posted by Bad Dog

Desperate to meet that quota. Contracting is now quite common in the military. RAH was big on farming out non-combat specialties to civilian contractors (see:Starship Troopers), and we can see just how well *that* turned out in Iraq/Afghanistan. Class A misdemeanors might get past some screens, but the State Of Texas *supposedly* revokes a CCH for such.

Who or what is "RAH"?

I keep seeing news reporters acting incredulous over the security failures. The minute someone is familiar with your security from an internal perspective, the more irrelevant it becomes. There's no way to defend against people who've become the barbarians at their own gates.