Hmmmm... OK. Interesting... but I'm not a Republican and consider myself pretty middle-of-the-road.

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YOUR SCORE
Your scored 2 on Moral Order and -2 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism
3. Party: Republican Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush
6. 08' Election: John McCain

Of the 625,671 respondents (11,413 on Facebook):

1. 5% are close to you.
2. 8% are more conservative.
3. 19% are more liberal.
4. 52% are more socialist.
5. 5% are more authoritarian.

Originally Posted by Adina

What exactly do you mean by non-partisan? The only time I've heard that term was for figurehead rulers who weren't supposed to voice their opinions. Or do you just mean not Democratic or Republican?

I mean not beholden to a single political party. Although I consider myself a moderate, it's not like I'm moderate on all the issues. I'm quite conservative on some things and quite liberal on others.

Originally Posted by Adina

A. V.'S SCORE Your scored 1.5 on Moral Order and -4.5 on Moral Rules. The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible) System: Conservatism Ideology: Capita Republicanism Party: Republican Party Presidents: Richard Nixon 04' Election: George W. Bush 08' Election: John McCain

Of the 625,664 respondents(11,413 on Facebook) 3% are close to you 8% are more conservative. 11% are more liberal. 67% are more socialist. 13% are more authoritarian

Right: structured moral order
Left: flat moral order

Top = society benefits from collective initiatives.

Bottom: priority is given to individual initiatives.

From http://www.moral-politics.com/

Your scored -7 on Moral Order and 5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: International Socialism, Activism, Libertarian Socialism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich

TONE70'S SCORE
Your scored -4 on Moral Order and -1 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Liberalism
Ideology: Capital Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: John F Kennedy
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: Barrack Obama


Of the 625,677 respondents (11,413 on Facebook):
6% are close to you.
38% are more conservative.
3% are more liberal.
13% are more socialist.
34% are more authoritarian

This, at least mirrors my votes so far and locates me in approximately the same quadrant as the other test around here.

I would say this captured me accurately after reading more about the meaning of the results.

Kind of makes sense: (although, like Ziggy, I'm vehemently nonpartisan)


Your scored -0.5 on Moral Order and -4 on Moral Rules.


The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: John Kerry, Michael Badnarik
6. 08' Election: John McCain

Of the 625,680 respondents (11,413 on Facebook):

1. 5% are close to you.
2. 12% are more conservative.
3. 7% are more liberal.
4. 51% are more socialist.
5. 24% are more authoritarian.

I don't think I'm a Republican though. They support war and capital punishment.

I just retook the Moral Politics test with the "hints" on instead of off, and I shifted from -1.5, -1.5 to -3.5 Order, -1 Rules. So, I'm still in their liberal zone, but more to the left.

Also, taking everyone else's data and using their order score as a proxy for the Mitchell horizontal axis and their rules score as occurring along a 45 degree line from lower left (positive) to upper right (negative) -- I can estimate their position on my revision of the Mitchell Chart.

For me (-3.5 Order, -1 Rules) that yields about a 125 degree angle, which would be upper left, slightly more upper than left.

For Adina (1.5 Order, -4.5 Rules) that yields a 73 degree angle, which would be true top, but close to the upper right zone.

For ziggyX65 (1 Order, 1 Rules) that yields a 293 degree angle, which would be on the true bottom, lower right boundary. (Did you have hints on or off?)

For Roadbldr '59 (2 Order, -2 Rules) that yields a 23 degree angle, which would be on the true right, upper right boundary.

For Odin (-7 Order, 5 Rules) that yields a 181 degree angle, which would be true left.

For Tone70 (-4 Order, -1 Rules) that yields a 147 degree angle, which would be upper left, slightly more left than upper.

For Wes84 (-1 Order, 4.5 Rules) that yields a 260 degree angle, which would be true bottom, but toward the left.

For Xer H (-0.5 Order, -4 Rules) that yields a 95 degree angle, which would be true top.

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ziggyX65's is the only one of those results that seems off.

It's interesting to note that the aggregate data on the Moral Politics site shows that their results are stretched more on the socialist/conservative diagonal than on the liberal/authoritarian diagonal. The fact that their results are squished like that hints that one of their axes might not be entirely independent of the other.

Originally Posted by Kurt Horner

For ziggyX65 (1 Order, 1 Rules) that yields a 293 degree angle, which would be on the true bottom, lower right boundary. (Did you have hints on or off?)

Off. Here's another try with hints on, which slightly changed a handful of answers. If it still seems quirky it wouldn't surprise me since my politics tend to be all over the map depending on the issue:

Your scored 1 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism, Authoritarianism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism, Social Republicanism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Gerald Ford
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

Of the 625,694 respondents (11,414 on Facebook):

1. 8% are close to you.
2. 16% are more conservative.
3. 31% are more liberal.
4. 34% are more socialist.
5. 5% are more authoritarian.

With hints:
and -3.5 on Moral Rules. The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible) System: Conservatism Ideology: Capita Republicanism Party: Republican Party Presidents: Richard Nixon 04' Election: George W. Bush 08' E

Originally Posted by Kurt Horner

I just retook the Moral Politics test with the "hints" on instead of off, and I shifted from -1.5, -1.5 to -3.5 Order, -1 Rules. So, I'm still in their liberal zone, but more to the left.

Also, taking everyone else's data and using their order score as a proxy for the Mitchell horizontal axis and their rules score as occurring along a 45 degree line from lower left (positive) to upper right (negative) -- I can estimate their position on my revision of the Mitchell Chart.

For me (-3.5 Order, -1 Rules) that yields about a 125 degree angle, which would be upper left, slightly more upper than left.

For Adina (1.5 Order, -4.5 Rules) that yields a 73 degree angle, which would be true top, but close to the upper right zone.

For ziggyX65 (1 Order, 1 Rules) that yields a 293 degree angle, which would be on the true bottom, lower right boundary. (Did you have hints on or off?)

For Roadbldr '59 (2 Order, -2 Rules) that yields a 23 degree angle, which would be on the true right, upper right boundary.

For Odin (-7 Order, 5 Rules) that yields a 181 degree angle, which would be true left.

For Tone70 (-4 Order, -1 Rules) that yields a 147 degree angle, which would be upper left, slightly more left than upper.

For Wes84 (-1 Order, 4.5 Rules) that yields a 260 degree angle, which would be true bottom, but toward the left.

For Xer H (-0.5 Order, -4 Rules) that yields a 95 degree angle, which would be true top.

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ziggyX65's is the only one of those results that seems off.

It's interesting to note that the aggregate data on the Moral Politics site shows that their results are stretched more on the socialist/conservative diagonal than on the liberal/authoritarian diagonal. The fact that their results are squished like that hints that one of their axes might not be entirely independent of the other.

Nice analysis, Kurt! You are only -3.5 on social order? That's surprising, I thought it would be more negative.

Originally Posted by Odin

Nice analysis, Kurt! You are only -3.5 on social order? That's surprising, I thought

Is your post incomplete, or did you forget the period?

Originally Posted by Adina

Is your post incomplete, or did you forget the period?

Fixed!!!!!

Keep in mind that these are just my personal, private viewpoints, and are very egocentric, and I almost never discuss politics in real life, except to advocate non-violence. When I do have to discuss politics, I tend to just talk about politics in general, rather than what my personal viewpoints are. I will also speak against someone if they slander a politician.

1- God. I have conflicting beliefs about religion, so I chose God may exist

2- Ethnic groups. Didn't quite understand the question so I chose None of the above.

3- Cultures. There are some cultures that I have issues with. 'nuff said.

4- Countries. I believe that individual needs trump the interests of a country. I do not believe that "we should do anything for our country." or "The needs of a country come before the individual." at all. Loving ones land is good, but fighting for it is unnecessary and immoral, for instance.

5- Lifestyles. Traditional, wholesome lifestyles should be encouraged certainly, but most lifestyles should not be actively prohibited or surpressed.

6- Men & Women. Without hints, I would be inclined to just say equal. But with hints: Equal, but should be able to play different roles if they please.

7- Nature. Sort of undecided. But I think I put "is a resource that must be managed carefully".

8- Success. Success is how much money or power one has. But that's mostly because of how I define the word "success", and not because I think it's the only thing of value.


9- Business. Sort of undecided. But at present, I think businesses have too many restrictions on them.

10- Work. Work and discine should pay off, and some people should be paid more than others. I'm not a socialist.

11- Education. Hard to answer this one. I said is a private matter.

12- Health care. Hard to answer. Would depend on a number of factors. For example, if you could give everyone free healthcare and only raise taxes an infinitessimal amout then go for it. But raising it by a huge amount is unacceptable.

13- Financial security. Should first be individual. I'm not a socialist.

14- Charity. Should be almost completely voluntary. Should be used in extreme cases.

15- Security. Should be solely collective, because I am strongly opposed to vigillantee justice. And I don't think that in this day and age, people have the ability to really defend themselves against the government with rifles and butterknives.

16- Law. Fair laws.

I took the quiz again by reading through all of the hints this time, and came up with slightly different, but similar results. One of the problems with this quiz is that there are a number of answers I like for certain questions, and it was hard to decide between them.

Your scored -2.5 on Moral Order and 1.5 on Moral Rules.


The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism
3. Party: No match.
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: John Kerry, David Cobb
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

Of the 625,819 respondents (11,417 on Facebook):

1. 7% are close to you.
2. 52% are more conservative.
3. 15% are more liberal.
4. 17% are more socialist.
5. 13% are more authoritarian.

Kurt, where would this put me at now.

Originally Posted by Wes84

I took the quiz again by reading through all of the hints this time, and came up with slightly different, but similar results. One of the problems with this quiz is that there are a number of answers I like for certain questions, and it was hard to decide between them.

Yeah, I know. The hints help guide you but there are still times when I think the answer is context-dependent.

Originally Posted by Wes84

9- Business: 1) We should sanction businesses who don't play by the rules, or 2)We should reward businesses that put social responsibility ahead of profitability.

This one threw me, too. I mean, if you think about it they are both addressing the same idea -- a desire for responsible corporate citizenship -- but one uses carrots and the other uses sticks. Frankly, depending on the situation I would believe in using both carrots *and* sticks.

Having said that, I chose #2 here -- the carrots. But I could have easily gone either way.

Originally Posted by ziggyX65

Off. Here's another try with hints on, which slightly changed a handful of answers. If it still seems quirky it wouldn't surprise me since my politics tend to be all over the map depending on the issue:

Yeah, it seem like you're very close to the center regardless of the chart. On my chart, that makes your position particularly indeterminate since the exact center would mean that you were entirely satisfied with the current state of society.

Regardless, both sets of answers tend to put you in the lower right quadrant, but you're so close to the center that you'd be a swing voter before, during and even after the current Crisis. You currently tend to lean Democratic, correct? I suspect you'll end up a moderate Republican in old age (assuming 65 is your birth year) -- but that will be a different GOP.

Originally Posted by Odin

Nice analysis, Kurt! You are only -3.5 on social order? That's surprising, I thought it would be more negative.

Yeah, I think some of the negative social order answers are too non-judgmental for my tastes. I do think there are right answers to moral questions, I'm just highly critical of people who think those right answers were discovered by Bronze Age sheep herders.

Originally Posted by Wes84

I took the quiz again by reading through all of the hints this time, and came up with slightly different, but similar results. One of the problems with this quiz is that there are a number of answers I like for certain questions, and it was hard to decide between them.

Your scored -2.5 on Moral Order and 1.5 on Moral Rules.

Kurt, where would this put me at now.

That's a pretty big shift -- the new score would be 170 degrees, so true left, similar to Odin. Does that make more sense to you? That would make you more of a Netroots Democrat, while the previous score was like a moderate Democrat.

Originally Posted by Kurt Horner

On my chart, that makes your position particularly indeterminate since the exact center would mean that you were entirely satisfied with the current state of society.

Not at all surprised I'd be placed near the true center -- but as I indicated before, it's not a satisfaction with the status quo. It's entirely issue-based where I would support some "left-shifts" and some "right-shifts" for lack of a better term.

Given the issues most important to me *right now*, though, I'm more in tune with the left-shifts. If we were able to rank how important each of the issues currently were to us in this last quiz, I'd probably appear a little more leftist right now since my left-leaning answers would have a higher importance in most cases.

Originally Posted by Kurt Horner

Regardless, both sets of answers tend to put you in the lower right quadrant, but you're so close to the center that you'd be a swing voter before, during and even after the current Crisis. You currently tend to lean Democratic, correct? I suspect you'll end up a moderate Republican in old age (assuming 65 is your birth year) -- but that will be a different GOP.

In the current crisis and the current situation we're facing, I'd say I lean Democratic. In other earlier times I've leaned Republican (assuming those were my only two choices). But I don't ever recall a time where seeing the "D" or the "R" next to the name on the ballot was my main concern. Typically at any time I might have a few core issues that I'm most concerned about and decide which candidate/party is likely to have better answers and ideas for addressing it.

Right now, my main concern is the demise of the middle class at the hands of the corporate interests infecting government (in case my recent writings haven't made that obvious), and if I held my nose I'd say the Democrats are at least slightly more aligned with that than the Republicans (though Democratic support of the middle class appears to be very conditional today).

But yeah, I've pretty much been an independent "swing voter" for my entire adult life and I really don't expect that to change.

Originally Posted by Kurt Horner

That's a pretty big shift -- the new score would be 170 degrees, so true left, similar to Odin. Does that make more sense to you? That would make you more of a Netroots Democrat, while the previous score was like a moderate Democrat.

I think that I must be somewhere in between 170 and 260 degrees.

Originally Posted by Wes84

I think that I must be somewhere in between 170 and 260 degrees.

The second measure would work, since even though you're in the same sector as Odin, you would be closer to the center of the chart. So, same attitude toward political issues, but Odin is more radical/consistent/strident (however you want to put it).

Originally Posted by Kurt Horner

Yeah, I think some of the negative social order answers are too non-judgmental for my tastes. I do think there are right answers to moral questions, I'm just highly critical of people who think those right answers were discovered by Bronze Age sheep herders.

I an highly critical of this statement! You are obviously in error. You see, I believe they tended goats!

Originally Posted by Tone70

I an highly critical of this statement! You are obviously in error. You see, I believe they tended goats!

There's no way that morality can have a foundation in goat herding. You're just being ridiculous. Only sheep can show us the true path.