Originally Posted by Justin '77

... Yet another piece of proof that the statistics are inflated to hide the fact that tax-feeding-in-uniform, as a job, is one hell of a safe, cushy gig.

It's not as cushy as it is safe, and it's only safe outside a war zone. War zones are a bit Mad-Max like as places to live, so even in the non-combat sense, they are dangerous.

But I really have more issue with the cushy part. Both officers and enlisted operate under an absolute labor contract, and a$$holes in high places can and do take advantage of that. It really comes down to the inability to tell your boss to take a hike ... and some situational issues unique to service, of course. A submariner that developes severe claustrophobia at the beginning of a deployment may be stuck under water for 3 to 6 months before he gets sprung. Soldiers and Marines are subject to unaccompanied deployments in crappy places - especially recently.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

It's not as cushy as it is safe, and it's only safe outside a war zone. War zones are a bit Mad-Max like as places to live, so even in the non-combat sense, they are dangerous.

Yeah, but we were talking about the cake assignment of being stationed in Germany in the mid-80s. As I pointed out earlier, not only was that not a war zone, that was one of the few place son earth fairly well guaranteed not to become a war zone.

But I really have more issue with the cushy part. Both officers and enlisted operate under an absolute labor contract, and a$$holes in high places can and do take advantage of that. It really comes down to the inability to tell your boss to take a hike ... and some situational issues unique to service, of course.

But those issues are far and few between -- and not even remotely part of what someone like glick is talking about when he flogs the superiority of the meat-sack over us proles.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Hot-tar roofing is far more dangerous and inconvenient than military training (any number of work-related mortality statistics will help you see that). And moreso, it actually serves a useful purpose -- nobody had to dress me up pretty and tell me over and over again what a hero I was. People who hired me (via the company I worked for for several years) to put a roof on their building actually got real value for their money.

I remember sitting in the cafeteria in my first week at Upjohn with some colleagues watching some hot tar roofers. It was July 1988 and the temperature was 100 degrees. One of the guys said as we looked at those roofers, Gentlemen, this is why we went to school. And I said amen.

Originally Posted by Mikebert

I remember sitting in the cafeteria in my first week at Upjohn with some colleagues watching some hot tar roofers. It was July 1988 and the temperature was 100 degrees. One of the guys said as we looked at those roofers, Gentlemen, this is why we went to school. And I said amen.

Oh yeah. The tar really isn't even the worst part (except when you get burned, but that only happens occasionally). The worst part is when you are replacing an old roof that was insulated with the old pressed-sheet fiberglass they used to use. The shit -- we called it 'yellow death' -- flakes up and forms a thick suspension in the air. And any part of you skin it touches itches like mad; sweating and scratching makes it worse. And inside of ten minutes you've got it all over your body. I've seen guys (tried it myself, to be honest) on hot summer days working in multi-layers of full flannel shirts with their gloves taped airtight to their sleeves, scarves on their faces, tapes to their collars, goggles, and hats, and pants cuffs taped to their boots -- all to try to at least cut down on how much yellow death got through. I would wear out a pair of jeans every three days and four t-shirts a week doing it, too. It sucks.
Although there were some high points. For example, I saw more glorious sunrises and sunsets in three years than I think most people accumulate in their lives; we saw every single one of each for the months of August, September, and most of October one year from the top of the new expo center near Jantzen Beach -- when the sun comes up behind mt. Hood, it casts this amazing 45-degree shadow all the way across the sky. Plus, I learned to be pretty good at reading the weather comng in.

On the other hand, it only took a couple months doing it before any ambivalence about getting my ass into school was killed off. And a couple years worth of working to be able to pile up enough to afford school. (and it probably added no small part to motivating me to double-load study and finish in three years). I totally recommend the job to anyone. Just be careful, the first crew I was on I replaced a guy who ended up dying from the burns he had received the day before.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...somehow during the time of your tax-feeding, created something of value. I still haven't seen you specify it, but you seem really sure[/i that you did...

-It was here:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

-For one & two: The fact that you were able to leave Russia , and come back to a country that is still free (1) and prosperous (2). And there's also the fact that you could even consider going to a Russia that is no longer Communist in the first place (3). I understand that freedom isn't someting which you can drop on your foot, but I think you understand the basic concept. I think you can understand being alive...

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...generated and maintained the Russian generational cycle...

-No, I said we defended the free world until Communism collapsed; you seem to think that a 4T guaranteed the collapse of the Soviet Empire, despite the fact that political systems normally survive their 4Ts (the Czars did well until 1914-1917...)

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...Anyway, the argument about who gets hurt more isn't terribly pertinent to the question of use...

-Then why did you expend so much effort on it?

By the way, you botched a few things...

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...the Internet has it all, for those who care to look...

Military sector (this one includes up to 2008)
Productive sector (This one only goes up through '07)

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...A roofer or logger doesn't get counted as an occupational statistic if he plows his motorcycle into a brick wall on the way home from a bar, but a soldier does...

-Apparently, all sort of stuff gets counted in the civilian stat's. If we look at the chart again:

Productive sector (This one only goes up through '07)

...we see that what pumps up the accidental death rate for civilians is the deaths of those between 55-64 years of age (4.6), and the 65 and over crowd (10.2 per thousand); I guess heart attacks & strokes do count. There aren't very many 55-64 year olds serving on active duty; mandatory retirement age for active -duty officers is usually 55, for active-duty enlistment men it's 50, and for all reservists it's usually 60. General Petreus is old at 56, and even Admiral Mullen is only 62.

BTW, this has slightly different figures:

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=2695

"...Defense safety officials report that accidental deaths increased in FY 2000 to 113 on-duty deaths (108 deaths in FY 1999) and 322 off-duty deaths (321 in FY 1999). The accidental death rate increased to 33.46 deaths per 100,000 members assigned (30.3 deaths per 100,000 in FY 1999) members assigned..."

...so On-Duty deaths in 2000 would equate to 8.37 per 100K, and FY 1999 deaths would equate to 7.6 per 100K.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...soldiers who die when their humvee flips over on them fleeing an ambush are also counted as 'road accident' deaths...

-False; such fatalities are counted as combat deaths. Consider yourself informed!

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...A roofer or logger doesn't get counted as an occupational statistic if he plows his motorcycle into a brick wall on the way home from a bar, but a soldier does...

-Apparently, all sort of stuff gets counted in the civilian stat's. If we look at the chart again:

Productive sector (This one only goes up through '07)

...we'll see that what pumps up the accidental death rate for civilians is the deaths of those between 55-64 years of age (4.6), and the 65 and over crowd (10.2 per thousand); I guess heart attacks & strokes count. There aren't very many 55-64 year olds serving on active duty; mandatory retirement age for active -duty officers is usually 55, for active-duty enlistment men it's 50, and for all reservists it's usually 60. General Petreus is old at 56, and even Admiral Mullen is only 62.

BTW, this has slightly different figures:

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=2695

"...Defense safety officials report that accidental deaths increased in FY 2000 to 113 on-duty deaths (108 deaths in FY 1999) and 322 off-duty deaths (321 in FY 1999). The accidental death rate increased to 33.46 deaths per 100,000 members assigned (30.3 deaths per 100,000 in FY 1999) members assigned..."

...so On-Duty deaths in 2000 would equate to 8.37 per 100K, and FY 1999 deaths would equate to 7.6 per 100K.

Originally Posted by Mikebert

I remember sitting in the cafeteria in my first week at Upjohn with some colleagues watching some hot tar roofers. It was July 1988 and the temperature was 100 degrees...

-Try wearing full battle-rattle or a MOPP suit in the same weather, then tell me about it.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...Military service has always been a sinecure...

-Sure, that's why less than 20% of all men of the Xer and Millenial generations have taken advantage of it.

Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

---

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, Jim, you keep telling yourself that. Whatever helps you get to sleep at night...

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...I've seen guys (tried it myself, to be honest) on hot summer days working in multi-layers of full flannel shirts with their gloves taped airtight to their sleeves, scarves on their faces, tapes to their collars, goggles, and hats, and pants cuffs taped to their boots -- all to try to at least cut down on how much yellow death got through. I would wear out a pair of jeans every three days and four t-shirts a week doing it, too. It sucks...

-Try wearing a MOPP suit & full battle rattle at NTC on a similar day; I'm sure you'd be curled up in the fetal position, sucking your thumb.

"But Sergeant! It's heavy! And it's hot out!"

Ha ha ha!

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Yeah, Jim, you keep telling yourself that. Whatever helps you get to sleep at night...

-I defended my country, and paid my other taxes; all you did was pay your taxes.

Presumably...

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

-Try wearing a MOPP suit & full battle rattle at NTC on a similar day; I'm sure you'd be curled up in the fetal position, sucking your thumb.

Try hacking both your legs off with an axe and sticking a fork in your eye... I bet it would be even more uncomfortable.

But fortunately, the question of usefulness and the question of uncomfortability are almost completely unrelated. Though I could understand how his bosses would encourage someone whose work was high on the second and null on the first to confuse the two...

-I defended my country, and paid my other taxes...

As to the second, you 'paid' your taxes with loot taken from productive people. congratulations, I guess. have a cookie on me.

As to the first... you keep making that claim, but as yet have done nothing whatsoever to back it up. I long ago asserted my contention that you did nothing of the sort, and requested that you give one concrete example to support your claim. So far, nothing from you but that one assertion, repeated over and over in several slightly-varying iterations. It's almost enough to make one conclude outright that my contention is dead-on.

But I'll continue to extend you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you have something resembling a rational answer. What concrete thing did you do that materially contributed in a unique way (that is, in a way not common to the productive and tax-feeder alike) to 'defending' the USA?

Hmmm... Everyone is continuing to miss out on the opportunity to comment on a practical proposal like this:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

Let's Help Iranians Beat the Censors

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124779708428055757.html

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...the question of usefulness and the question of uncomfortability are almost completely unrelated...

1) Keeping track of bad guys who mean the USA harm, and stopping them. To a certain extent, there's a blow-by effect, by which other countries (including even Babushka Russiya) also benefit by American actions (one being that Babushka Rus is somewhat less unfree than it was 20 years ago). Some will probably growl that it's only Americans who are footing the bill. Cest la Vie (or Guerre)...

2) Deterrence; a military which isn't trained, fit, and has it's gear in order isn't much of a deterrence.

Again, I'm sorry that you can't drop freedom on your foot.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...you 'paid' your taxes with loot taken from productive people...

1) Before your attempt at playing Big-Shot Tycoon in Babushka Rus flopped, I bet you had somebody to protect your factory. So, were they compensated, or did you convince them to do it as a hobby?

2) That doesn't include those little part-time jobs I had before going on active duty, and it doesn't include the wealth I gained thru' my savings & investments. Or, is that tainted as well?

3) No need to put the word 'paid' in parentheses; if I hadn't, Uncle Sam or the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania would've 'paid' me a visit.

BTW, your "About Me" file still has you listed as living in Pushkin, and as having a job. Isn't it about time you updated your file?

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Try hacking both your legs off with an axe and sticking a fork in your eye... I bet it would be even more uncomfortable...

-I have hacked off my legs, but they just keep growing back.

This, coming from you, the guy who previously claimed that the military is a cushy gig, but couldn't even hack it as a roofer. If this 4T ends up like every other 4T in Anglo-American history, I suspect that your son will be able to disabuse you of your silly notions about how cushy (most) of the military has it.

But then again, you're only 32; draft age in WWII eventually extended from 18-45, so you still might earn some first hand knowledge, although anything over 28 was normally considered a bit much...

"But Sarge! I don't wanna go out! It's hot!"

Ha! Ha! Ha!

---
Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

---

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows. [/QUOTE]

Pathetic, glick. All that [virtual] ink spilled in a feeble attempt to protect your built-up self-esteem from an encounter with the truth. And ultimately, as would most when they find they have nothing of value to offer, you fall back to scrambling to change the subject.

----

And while I recognize your clearly deep-held need for nothing but pure accuracy and truth (of course, only on those matters that have fuck-all to do with you), I will point out that for now my profile is still correct -- I get to spend another several days in the company of free men before I return to the sick society that you so desperately want to take credit for. Rest assured, I'll keep that oh-so-vital piece of info updated as conditions justify.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Pathetic, glick. All that [virtual] ink spilled in a feeble attempt to protect your built-up self-esteem from an encounter with the truth. And ultimately, as would most when they find they have nothing of value to offer, you fall back to scrambling to change the subject.

-Wow. What a scintillating point-by-point refutation of my facts!

I didn't change the subject. I answered your questions (several times over). If you don't appreciate or understand my explanations, that's on you. Then I added additional topics.

justin87 ...I get to spend another several days in the company of free men...[/QUOTE]

-Russians?! Would that be "free" of their sobriety, "free" of having bathed in the past 24 hours, or "free" of dental hygiene?

BTW, going back to my previous point (which you've either ignored, or claim to not undersatnd), who are they paying to keep themselves safe & "free"?

You and Haymarket like to screech at each other about "Liberty" & "Freedom", but neither one of you has ever put your precious skin on the line to defend it. You two really aren't that different; in the words of Heinlein, you're nothing but a pair of bug-mouthed parlor pinks (or, in your case, a parlor white ).

Well, we have a few decades to see how well your theories hold up; don't give up your US passport.
---
Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

---

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

-Wow. What a scintillating point-by-point refutation of my facts!

Oh. There were facts somewhere in your spew over the last weeks?

-checks post history-

...

...

Nope. Not a one. Though I did on several occasions request that you provide them, you still haven't (the Inter Nets are handy about that -- it's all up here, effectively, forever for anyone to see, anytime). Instead you just flail around and screech. Like I said, pathetic.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Oh. There were facts somewhere in your spew over the last weeks...

-Go back and check post #82. Excerpts:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

By the way, you [Justin] botched a few things...

Originally Posted by Justin '77

...actually, that's not even correct -- soldiers who die when their humvee flips over on them fleeing an ambush are also counted as 'road accident' deaths...

-False; such fatalities are counted as combat deaths. Consider yourself informed...

WRT stat's:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

[Using My stat's & Justin's]
Military sector (this one includes up to 2008)
Productive sector (This one only goes up through '07)

-Apparently, all sorts of stuff gets counted in the civilian stat's. If we look at the chart again:

Productive sector (This one only goes up through '07)

...we'll see that what pumps up the accidental death rate for civilians [at 3.8/100K] is the deaths of those between 55-64 years of age (4.6), and the 65 and over crowd (10.2 per thousand); I guess heart attacks & strokes count. There aren't very many 55-64 year olds serving on active duty; mandatory retirement age for active -duty officers is usually 55, for active-duty enlistment men it's 50, and for all reservists it's usually 60. General Petreus is old at 56, and even Admiral Mullen is only 62...

...compared to:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=2695

"...Defense safety officials report that accidental deaths increased in FY 2000 to 113 on-duty deaths (108 deaths in FY 1999) and 322 off-duty deaths (321 in FY 1999). The accidental death rate increased to 33.46 deaths per 100,000 members assigned (30.3 deaths per 100,000 in FY 1999) members assigned..."

...so On-Duty deaths in 2000 would equate to 8.37 per 100K, and FY 1999 deaths would equate to 7.6 per 100K...

I pointed out that if you went back to the Cold War period (1980-1989), that the death rate was higher.

In post #86, I tried to explain what value I provided the US taxpayer:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

1) Keeping track of bad guys who mean the USA harm, and stopping them...

2) Deterrence; a military which isn't trained, fit, and has it's gear in order isn't much of a deterrence...

...and to help you understand further, I put this questions to you, in terms which I thought you'd understand:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

1) Before your attempt at playing Big-Shot Tycoon in Babushka Rus flopped, I bet you had somebody to protect your factory. So, were they compensated, or did you convince them to do it as a hobby?

...which you haven't answered, and this:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

-BTW, going back to my previous point (which you've either ignored, or claim to not undersatnd), who are they paying to keep themselves safe & "free"?

...which you've also avoided.

Keep your US passport handy.

---
Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

---

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Uh-huh, glick. As I said, you're very concerned about correctness when the topic has nothing to do with you -- that's never been at issue.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Uh-huh, glick. As I said, you're very concerned about correctness when the topic has nothing to do with you -- that's never been at issue.

-You claimed that I don't offer any facts, so in post #90, I reminded you ofa few of the facts I've previously posted (including times I've had to correct you). You were wrong.

As for me, if you don't understand what a US serviceman does to earn his pay, then that's your problem. Meanwhile, you've yet to reply to this:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

1) Before your attempt at playing Big-Shot Tycoon in Babushka Rus flopped, I bet you had somebody to protect your factory. So, were they compensated, or did you convince them to do it as a hobby?

...or this:

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

-BTW, going back to my previous point (which you've either ignored, or claim to not undersatnd), who are they paying to keep themselves safe & "free"?

...why? If you answer them, it might bring you one step closer to helping you to understand what US servicemen do.

---
Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

---

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Justin'77 has good incentive to be anti-american as it improves his current position in the eyes of his masters, the russian KGB directorate. It's was not a coincidence that it was as russian 'economist' who claimed that america would soon break up. However the russians intend this breakup of the US to not be the result of natural tensions within america, but instead plan for this collapse to be the result of external pressure instigated by russia itself. It is well known in internet circles that russia plans the conquest of the US and as an extension, the world. The russian/islamic alliance plans for this conquest to be followed by a racial and religious "cleansing" of the world. Populations slated for extermination include poles, jews, finns, balts, western europeans, white americans, all of the african diaspora populations in africa and the western hemisphere, most latin-americans, central and southern chinese, japanese, and philipinos and other southeast asians.

The communist/islamic/neo-nazi alliance plans to annihilate chrisitianity, judaism and other religions following their planned conquest of the world, to facilitate this conquest they slipped several moles to acted as instigators when activated by the KGB. Recently the KGB got obama into the white house taking advantage of the fact that an african arab would be more palatable to white racists than a christian or a black president. White racist despite their rhetoric actually hate christianity, this hatred can be starkly shown when they burn crosses. Obama also wooed and disarmed the racist crowd by clandestinely showing support for the ideas of margaret sanger and the organization she created, planned parenthood whose stated objective is the extermination of all non-whites from america using abortion.

The commies are also responsible for funding the nation of islam as well as jerimiah wrights' church, the objective was to lull the black community into supporting obama and to coverup the fact that he is an arab muslim, it is also designed to improve relations between africans and arabs. It's mission was also to coverup the fact that the arabs and european racists ( and the ancestors of the european racists, the slave traders) had been allied since the 16th century. Indeed the muslims and nazis have been so closely allied that both the N-word and it's south african equivalent "kaffir" ('unbeliever' derived from the arabic word "kuffar" and a major racial slur in south africa) have islamic origins. The arabs and nazis both carried out the oklahoma city bombing as a joint attack in 1995 (the arab portion of the attack was carried out by the infamous john doe number 2) , when the 9/11 attacks occured neo-nazis as well as muslims celebrated. The muslims and commies spread the myth that the christian church supported the slave trade, when in reality the popes condemned the slave trade from early on. The muslim/communist/nazi alliance plans world domination the enslavement of all of mankind in their evil totalitarian grip. As for Justin'77 he has chose to serve the bringers of evil who reside in the kremlin and their allies in arabia to help carry out their aim of world conquest.

-sigh-

go play with your new friend, glick. He's just as deluded as you.

And people talk about me being off my meds?

Originally Posted by Justin '77

-sigh-

go play with your new friend, glick. He's just as deluded as you.

Nah. Jamesdglick adheres to a certain ideology that is the polar opposite of yours. Cynic Hero is just nuts.

That's just my take on it.

This thread might be interesting again if we all ignore "Jimmy the Glick". Thank you, Justin, for exposing the intellectual emptiness but thinly-hidden anger and vague assertions of being under-appreciated from JDG. He can't fault Dubya for a pair of bungled wars for his glorification.

Iran seems to have the sort of government that plays a big role in shaping the 4T. The results are likely to be tragic for many in Iran -- particularly to the sorts of people like its mad leader who denies the Holocaust and thus fails to learn some of the most overt lessons of the last 4T, among them that adherence to falsehood that leads one to the vilification of innocent people leads to catastrophe first for the persecuted and then to the persecutors.

Oh, JDG -- don't bother responding to this post. You are back on my Ignore list. I expect no better treatment from you than Justin '77 or Haymarket Martyr received.

Yesterday, 08:11 PM
jamesdglick
This message is hidden because jamesdglick is on your ignore list.

Today, 04:12 AM
Cynic Hero '86
This message is hidden because Cynic Hero '86 is on your ignore list.

Just a reminder.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Iran seems to have the sort of government that plays a big role in shaping the 4T. The results are likely to be tragic for many in Iran -- particularly to the sorts of people like its mad leader who denies the Holocaust and thus fails to learn some of the most overt lessons of the last 4T, among them that adherence to falsehood that leads one to the vilification of innocent people leads to catastrophe first for the persecuted and then to the persecutors...

-All very nice, but getting back to the original point, nothing which President Obama's administration has done so far is has (or will) change that.

I'm taking the other stuff to the "Libertarian Hypocrisy" thread.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Thank you, Justin, for exposing the intellectual emptiness but thinly-hidden anger and vague assertions of being under-appreciated from JDG...

1) The intellectual emptiness of a Justin, who can't figure out military's role in preserving a free society?

2) The intellectual emptiness of Justin, who lives (lived) in what continues to be one of the most un-libertarian countries on the planet, and one of the most corrupt ones, yet declares it to be some sort of libertarian paradise?

3) I'm not under-appreciated in the way that matters so far; I'm getting what my contract(s) stated, in the same way that I performed as my contract required (well, I actually performed more, but most do);

4) Since when is my anger "thinly veiled"?

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

...You are back on my Ignore list. I expect no better treatment from you than Justin '77 or Haymarket Martyr received...

-Hmmm... any chance you're still upset about me correcting your BOGINT wrt Bush's service record?

You'll get the treatment I give everyone else: The treatment which you ask for, and the treatment which you deserve.

I'll catch you when you ricochet yet again, PBR!

---
Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

---

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

This thread might be interesting again if we all ignore "Jimmy the Glick". Thank you, Justin, for exposing the intellectual emptiness but thinly-hidden anger and vague assertions of being under-appreciated from JDG. He can't fault Dubya for a pair of bungled wars for his glorification.

Iran seems to have the sort of government that plays a big role in shaping the 4T. The results are likely to be tragic for many in Iran -- particularly to the sorts of people like its mad leader who denies the Holocaust and thus fails to learn some of the most overt lessons of the last 4T, among them that adherence to falsehood that leads one to the vilification of innocent people leads to catastrophe first for the persecuted and then to the persecutors.

Oh, JDG -- don't bother responding to this post. You are back on my Ignore list. I expect no better treatment from you than Justin '77 or Haymarket Martyr received.

Slick had a response to you. Nothing of note; just the usual crap driven again by what Justin noted.

I only respond to him on occasion; actually to keep him going, i.e. rattle his cage. In addition to finding his idiocy amusing, I believe him a good barometer of the Right wing nut cases that have driven the 3T to this now 4T.

On another thread, I used the analogy of a eunuch bragging about his size. I think that holds for Slick and, as the barometer (sorry for the mixed metaphors), for the wing nuts in general. They know they've been neutered but can't quite accept it. They're lashing out, trying every 3T trick they can muster (e.g. Teabaggers screaming-down Congress critters during their August recess home district visits). They're near-desperate to show some potency. They got the old tool in hand but something seems to missing.

We need to keep watch, however. Just in case they grow a new pair and try to rape the country again.

Originally Posted by playwrite

...They're lashing out, trying every 3T trick they can muster (e.g. Teabaggers screaming-down Congress critters during their August recess home district visits)...

-Hmmm... we'll see who's more representative of the country: Those Congresscritters who are ruining the country, or the angry US taxpayer. If it turns out to be the latter, I wonder what Playwrite's cop-out will be.

THOSE WHO DENY, both on the right and on the left, that our political system has been thoroughly infiltrated and compromised to the point that elections are no longer about policies but instead are nothing more than performance pieces in which one communazi agent runs against another communazi agent. In 2008 this was made starkly clear in which an arab-muslim/communist "red daiper baby" (obama) ran against a hardened KGB turned and molded Manchurian candidate (Mccain whos turning to communism came under the auspices of soviet KGB in the hanoi hilton as a POW in the late 1960's). The running mates were walking communist cariacutures of americans, palin especially who was probably selected by mccains handlers in the FSB in order to claim that americans are stupid and inferior. On the left although biden was the running mate hilary was given prominence in order to serve the same purpose. The communist/Muslim/nazi alliance soon plans to conquer the world and "cleanse" it of all non-whites, westerners (who are considered to be race traitors by the KGB directorate), and others who are considered to be "impurities". All religions including christianity, judaism, buddhism, hinduism and others even including traditional islam are to be exterminated and replaced by the religion of Amolek. We must rise up and stop the forces of evil slowly gathering in the deepest reaches of eurasia. The final battle between good and evil will soon be decided. Pray to god for salvation victory and the defeat of evil.