Originally Posted by playwrite

...where is your fact of a previous credible and offical US government statement that Iran had a weaponization program...

-The only thing "shocking" (for some) was that the Iranians actually stopped in the Fall of 2003, not that they had started. I find it amusing that Playwrite claims to be the only one on the planet who was "shocked! simply shocked!" that the Iranians were working on this.

If I was "shocked! simply shocked!" it was that their Russian buddies (the same ones who protected Saddam, and will continue to protect Iran) didn't simply make one for them.

And Playwrite has yet to comment on the fact that Operation Iraqi Freedom permanently took an enemy off the table. Again, I'd like to see PW explain how well he thinks President Obama would be doing, when he can't even handle North Korea or Iran.

Sheesh.

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Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

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Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

-The only thing "shocking" (for some) was that the Iranians actually stopped in the Fall of 2003, not that they had started. I find it amusing that Playwrite claims to be the only one on the planet who was "shocked! simply shocked!" that the Iranians were working on this.

If I was "shocked! simply shocked!" it was that their Russian buddies (the same ones who protected Saddam, and will continue to protect Iran) didn't simply make one for them.

Nice try, but it ain't working on anybody - at least anyone with a brain. Again, where is the requested FACT of a credible and official US government conclusion of an Iranian weaponization program before this NIE?

Nothing subtle for you crankies; what does one have to do, hit you upside your head with a 2x4 or something?

Again, my thick-as-a-brick local crankie, the Iranians having a weaponization program isn't what was amazing - fifth graders have been speculating that in their world history classes for years.

The amazement is the NIE officially stated that they did. Amazing that the NIE stated that even in the face of the previous NIE Iraqi WMDs fiasco. Amazing what kind of evidence they must have had to risk the ridicule. Amazing that even with that kind of evidence, we can't do shit about it. Why? Because of the amazing situation that Bush has got us in.

Finally, and most amazing, is how stupid you crankies are not to get this. Pathetically, after the last eight years, that is the one thing that is actually not amazing.

Originally Posted by playwrite

Nice try, but it ain't working on anybody - at least anyone with a brain. Again, where is the requested FACT of a credible and official US government conclusion of an Iranian weaponization program before this NIE?

Nothing subtle for you crankies; what does one have to do, hit you upside your head with a 2x4 or something?

Again, my thick-as-a-brick local crankie, the Iranians having a weaponization program isn't what was amazing - fifth graders have been speculating that in their world history classes for years.

The amazement is the NIE officially stated that they did. Amazing that the NIE stated that even in the face of the previous NIE Iraqi WMDs fiasco. Amazing what kind of evidence they must have had to risk the ridicule. Amazing that even with that kind of evidence, we can't do shit about it. Why? Because of the amazing situation that Bush has got us in.

Finally, and most amazing, is how stupid you crankies are not to get this. Pathetically, after the last eight years, that is the one thing that is actually not amazing.

I think PW is on his own.

1) Still no mention of how President Obama would probably be running around like the proverbial chicken with it's head cut off if he still had to face a hostile Iraq (as opposed to what he is doing).

2) FWIW, the sanitized, Unclassified extract of the 2007 NIE:

http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf

"We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons
program..."

"We continue to assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Iran does not currently
have a nuclear weapon..."

"We continue to assess with low confidence that Iran probably has imported at least
some weapons-usable fissile material, but still judge with moderate-to-high confidence it
has not obtained enough for a nuclear weapon..."

...i.e., nothing about "only 30 days to weaponize"; the program stopped Fall 2003 - Fall 2007 (at least), which means we bought 4 years (at least).

It also assesses that the halt was due to "international pressure".

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Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

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Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

"We judge with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons
program..."

Yes, little Jimmie, that's what it said. Now, for the umpteenth time, your assignment is to show us the official government document that came before this NIE that said they had a nuclear weapons program.

Is this really too subtle for you?

Originally Posted by playwrite

...Now, for the umpteenth time, your assignment is to show us the official government document that came before this NIE that said they had a nuclear weapons program...

1) I don't take orders from frauds like Playwrite;

2) Right now, I'm not taking orders from anyone ();

3) Why would PW need an official governement document (unclassified) to know that the Iranians were working on nukes?

DUH.

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Back to Playwrite:

I'd still love to know: When PW was supposedly visiting SE Asia, did he bother to check out the "Anti-War" movement's handiwork in the re-education camps, and in the killing fields? The answer seems to be NO...

Back to Haymarket':

I'd still love to know: Who paid Haymarket's Military Service Tax? Come on, I know you're retired, Haymarket. I'd think it'd be easy to go check out the old county draft records from 1969. You can look the guy up, and thank him for his inconvenience...

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Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Those Dangerous Whackos finally decided to take the S.Hussein path -- though, unlike him, they managed to let fly with their only weapon, instead of being taken out by Uncle Sam's hit squad for even talking about it.

It'll be interesting to see how rhetoric changes now that the thing the US Establishment has been actually afraid of (no one seriously thought Iran threatened the US militarily -- that was just prole-candy) has come to pass.

As for me, I'm glad most of what we made these last several years is stashed in Euros...

This is a fairly amusing (sort of) take on the result of President Obama's floundering:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/appease_does_apocalypse_for_weak_9HzomoUqSd9gZJINI wtJlL

DID it surprise a single Post reader that Iran's been hiding a big nuclear weapons development facility? It stunned our president when he learned about it months ago. Then he kept it secret from you. Obama didn't want you to know how much progress Iran had made. It's an embarrassment.

-Although to be fair, President Obama may have kept it secret to avoid revealing how we found out.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/04/enter_the_white_queen_98561.html#

Regarding Iran, what did we learn when we learned about the secret nuclear facility in the tunnel? That Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons? We knew that. That Iran lies? We knew that, too. We did, however, learn something when the president, at the G-20 meeting in Pittsburgh, went public with his knowledge of the facility.

...Gates says "the only way" to prevent a nuclear-capable Iran "is for the Iranian government to decide that their security is diminished by having those weapons, as opposed to strengthened." But to accept that formulation requires accepting two propositions that would tax the White Queen's powers of belief.

One is that possession of nuclear weapons would make Iran less secure. Question: If Saddam Hussein had possessed nuclear weapons in March 2003, would the United States have invaded Iraq? Iran's leaders probably think they know the answer.

The other proposition is that Iran's regime seeks nuclear weapons merely to enhance the nation's security and not also for regional hegemony or the enjoyment of the enlarged status that comes from being a nuclear power. To believe that, draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.

In the "Obama makes the French look like they have Backbones" category:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-bolton18-2009oct18,0,4090854.story

"I support America's 'extended hand.' But what have these proposals for dialogue produced for the international community? Nothing but more enriched uranium and more centrifuges."


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Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

-So cry many Boomers (self-professed Lefties, mostly) whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

Iran, late October 2009

One might, if so inclined, contrast with this. Or with other similar occurrences.

Obama's floundering isn't so funny anymore:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703315404575250172000040654.html

What a fiasco. That's the first word that comes to mind watching Mahmoud Ahmadinejad raise his arms yesterday with the leaders of Turkey and Brazil to celebrate a new atomic pact that instantly made irrelevant 16 months of President Obama's "diplomacy." The deal is a political coup for Tehran and possibly delivers the coup de grace to the West's half-hearted efforts to stop Iran from acquiring a nuclear bomb...

Full credit for this debacle goes to the Obama Administration and its hapless diplomatic strategy.

Only last week, diplomats at the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency reported that Iran has increased the number of centrifuges it is using to enrich uranium. According to Western intelligence estimates, Iran continues to acquire key nuclear components, such as trigger mechanisms for bombs. Tehran says it wants to build additional uranium enrichment plants. The CIA recently reported that Iran tripled its stockpile of uranium last year and moved "toward self-sufficiency in the production of nuclear missiles." Yesterday's deal will have no impact on these illicit activities.

...After 16 months of his extended hand and after downplaying support for Iran's democratic opposition, Mr. Obama now faces an Iran much closer to a bomb and less diplomatically isolated than when President Bush left office.


Oh well.

Originally Posted by haymarket martyr

WARNING: The poster known as jamesdglick has a history of engaging in fraud. He makes things up out of his own head and attempts to use these blatant lies to score points in his arguments. When you call him on it, he will only lie further. He has such a reputation for doing this that many people here are cowed into silence and will not acknowledge it or confront him on it.

Anyone who attempts to engage with glick will discover this and find out you have wasted your time and energy on an intellectual fraud of the worst sort.

...So cry many Boomers like Haymarket & Playwrite whenever they fail to explain their hypocritical self-justifications, their double-standards, and their double-think forays into evil. Perhaps their consciences bother them, perhaps not. Who knows.

More sanctions are being discussed, as usual, but the big international players just won't agree:
http://gsn.nti.org/gsn/nw_20100518_9428.php

It's becoming another big failure in US international policy. First Clinton let totalitarian communist China join the WTO, then Bush let India and Pakistan develop nuclear weapons without cutting them off with strict sanctions, etc. Then Bush got the US and NATO bogged down in a nasty war in central Asia.

One of my old friends put it this way: imagine a really stupid yet possible foreign policy change; our leadership is so bad that the stupid change has a definite probability of occurring.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38688732...deastn_africa/

The Next Decade by George Friedman. He suggests a disconserting scenario that, nevertheless, resolve America's strategic dilemma in the Iraq/Persian Gulf region. Detente between America and Iraq. The reasoning is that both countries - though they despise each other - have some interests that are actually compatible. For example, it is in the interest of both countries that oil continues to flow through the Strait of Hormuz (meaning profits for Iran, and oil for the oil importing countries). Also, Shiite Iran and America are neither compatible with Sunni Arab jihadists. So an Iranian/American entente is concievable. It would be, of course, an alliance of meer convenience. The author suggests that Obama would appear to be a weak appeaser if he proposed this, rather than cynical and cunning. Friedman compares the proposed alliance to the WWII Soviet/American alliance, and to detente with China during the Nixon administration.

So...what does the United States have to offer Iran? The author commented that the Iranians view the United States as dangerous and unpredictable. (And American troop deployments have had the effect of encircling Iran). Detente could potentially would have the effect of ensuring regime survival in Iran. In the long run, however, a rising Turkey is a potential rival. And the Turks will have an interest in Persian Gulf oil.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ira...id/416733?s=al
How long will we be involved in this mess? Could this be the trigger for WW3?

Israel's Peres says Iran attack ‘more and more likely'

Israeli President Shimon Peres said “an attack on Iran” by Israel and other countries was “more and more likely.”

He told Israeli private television’s second channel: “The intelligence services of the different countries that are keeping an eye on (Iran) are worried and putting pressure on their leaders to warn that Iran is ready to obtain the nuclear weapon,” Israeli media reported.

“We must turn to these countries to ensure that they keep their commitments … this must be done, and there is a long list of options,” Peres declared.

More: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/0...d-more-likely/

Originally Posted by Deb C

Israel's Peres says Iran attack ‘more and more likely'

Israeli President Shimon Peres said “an attack on Iran” by Israel and other countries was “more and more likely.”

He told Israeli private television’s second channel: “The intelligence services of the different countries that are keeping an eye on (Iran) are worried and putting pressure on their leaders to warn that Iran is ready to obtain the nuclear weapon,” Israeli media reported.

“We must turn to these countries to ensure that they keep their commitments … this must be done, and there is a long list of options,” Peres declared.

More: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/0...d-more-likely/

What do you think is driving this need to attack Iran. I don't mean Israel, I mean America's drive to attack. How far will this attack escalate? Let's set aside the nukes issue for a moment, I mean Pakistan has nukes. To expect a modern nation to not have at least nuclear energy is nuts. Is this actually an attempt to maintain western hegemony over the oil producing states. Does this have anything to do with our economic meltdown? What? How? Are there other issues as well? What will China and Russia do? How will the arab world, including arabs in europe, react? Somewhere down the road, willl this be the big war for the 4T? Will dominoes fall like in WWI? Are we seeing the opening shots in WWIII?

Peres is dick-waving. There isn't going to be an Israeli bombing of Iran.

Originally Posted by jadams

What do you think is driving this need to attack Iran. I don't mean Israel, I mean America's drive to attack. How far will this attack escalate? Let's set aside the nukes issue for a moment, I mean Pakistan has nukes. To expect a modern nation to not have at least nuclear energy is nuts. Is this actually an attempt to maintain western hegemony over the oil producing states. Does this have anything to do with our economic meltdown? What? How? Are there other issues as well? What will China and Russia do? How will the arab world, including arabs in europe, react? Somewhere down the road, willl this be the big war for the 4T? Will dominoes fall like in WWI? Are we seeing the opening shots in WWIII?

I don't know for sure. But the following is a bit disturbing.

Engineering Consent For Attack On Iran? IAEA: Iran Had Model of Nuclear Warhead By Associated Press November 06, 2011 "AP" -- VIENNA // The UN atomic agency plans to reveal intelligence this week suggesting Iran made computer models of a nuclear warhead and other previously undisclosed details on alleged secret work by Tehran on nuclear arms. Other new confidential information the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) plans to share with its 35 board members will include satellite imagery of what it believes is a large steel container used for nuclear arms-related high-explosives tests, diplomats recently told the Associated Press. The IAEA has previously listed activities it said indicated possible secret nuclear weapons work by Iran, which has been under IAEA perusal for nearly a decade over suspicions that it might be interested in develop such arms. But the newest compilation of suspected weapons-related work is significant in substance and scope. The diplomats said they would reveal suspicions that have not been previously made public and greatly expand on alleged weapons-related experiments that have been published in previous reports on Iran's nuclear activities. The news also came as the drumbeat of reports about possible military action against Iran's nuclear facilities intensified. The Israeli president, Shimon Peres, said on Friday that the international community was closer to pursuing a military solution to the stand-off over Iran's nuclear programme than a diplomatic one. The comments, from a known dove, assumed added significance because they followed unsubstantiated reports that the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was seeking his government's support for a strike against Tehran. British media have separately cited unnamed British officials as saying that the UK was prepared to offer military support to any US strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. In Vienna, the diplomats - from IAEA member nations - asked for anonymity because their information was privileged. One of them said the material drawn up by the IAEA chief, Yukiya Amano, will be in an annex and attached to the latest of a regular series of agency reports on Iran's nuclear enrichment programme and other activities that could be used to arm nuclear missiles. Significantly, said the diplomats, these alleged experiments took place after 2003 - the year that Iran was believed to have stopped secret work on nuclear weapons, according to a 2007 US intelligence assessment. The annex will also say that more than 10 nations have supplied intelligence suggesting Iran is secretly developing components of a nuclear arms programme - among them an implosion-type warhead that it wants to mount on a ballistic missile. One of the diplomats said that Iran was given a copy of the annex earlier this week, giving a chance for comment that would be included when the report is shared with board members. While Iran initially refused to accept a copy of the report, the Iranian foreign minister, Ali Akbar Salehi, yesterday said the evidence was a fabrication. He told a news conference in Tehran that the IAEA had given in to US pressure to level accusations against Tehran. "The Americans raised documents like this in the past: the Niger scandal", he said, in reference to claims made prior to the 2003 Iraq war, based on a forgery, that Baghdad had sought uranium from Niger. The upcoming report is meant to ratchet up pressure on the Islamic republic to stop four years of stonewalling of IAEA experts seeking to follow up intelligence of such secret weapons-related experiments. Iran denies such activities, asserting that they were based on intelligence fabricated by Washington. It also denies that its uranium enrichment programme - under UN Security Council sanctions because it could manufacture fissile warhead material - was meant for anything else but making nuclear fuel. The US and its western allies on the Security Council hope the upcoming report will be strong enough to persuade the IAEA board at its mid-November meeting to report it anew to the council. It was the board that first referred Iran to the Security Council in 2006 - a move that led to a series of sanctions punishing Tehran for its nuclear defiance. If that fails, they would like a board resolution setting a deadline of only a few months for Iran to start co-operating with the agency's investigation - or face the prospect of renewed Security Council referral at the next board meeting in March.

691. October 21 plot (11/1/2011)

The Feds used to create big events such like natural disaster, terror attack and war to distract public attention from the case they framed on me. They used to have their assets to spread the disaster information to cheat religious people.

The Feds prepared a framed case on 10/21. 10/21 was Friday – trash collect day in my community. They prepared a big earthquake on that day and let Harold Camping to announce it was the world end day to justify the disaster. The similar attempt last time of “The judgment Day” was 5/21/2011. My wife was arranged a trip to East Coast between 5/20 and 5/22. (see “670. New warning in May (5/20/2011)” and 671) This time she was arranged a Philippine tour from 10/18 to 10/26.

Harold Camping Predicts End of the World, Again
Oct 11, 2011 1:33pm
Harold Camping, the Christian broadcaster who predicted the end of the world would come last May, says the true end is now near. He was off by five months, he says; the real day is Oct. 21.
The Family Radio website has the full text of his latest prediction.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...e-world-again/

I know the disaster was an earthquake because they prepared a largest drill the world has ever seen on 10/20.

Bay Area prepares for the big one with statewide earthquake drill
By: Bay City News | 10/19/11 11:21 PM

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Bay Area residents are expected to participate in a statewide earthquake drill Thursday at 10:20 a.m. (Courtesy photo)More than 8.5 million Californians will be refilling emergency kits, ducking under tables or standing in doorways as they participate in the largest earthquake drill the world has ever seen Thursday morning, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) said.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011...rthquake-drill

There were two earthquakes took place on 10/20 to justify the coming planned big quake. The miracle was that in last world end prediction, there was also a similar earthquake (magnitude 3.6) took place on 5/21. See #571.

2 earthquakes shake up San Francisco Bay Area
By: Sarah Gantz | 10/20/11 10:30 PM Examiner Staff Writer

Two earthquakes (magnitude 3.8 and 4.0) rattled the Bay Area on Thursday just hours after millions of people statewide practiced how to respond to the big one.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/bay-...cisco-bay-area

You can see that was a routine job. From organizing the trip, action day selection (weekends) announcing the Judgment Day, to the scale of the cover up earthquakes. It was a skilled technique.

Of course, there was Iran war as I always said. ABC News reported Harold Camping’s prediction on 10/11. Next day A.G. Holder and FBI Chief Mueller announced “Iran’s plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador in US”. The comments in the Internet mostly think it is a sting to justify a war on Iran.

692. Iran war (11/8/2011)
To justify a war on Iran, the accusation is that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. To push the Americans to support the war, the Feds did a lot of provocateur work.

1. Psychological work: Intimidate public with nuclear crisis. We saw on 3/11/2011, an earthquake in Japan which damaged the nuclear plant in Fukushima. Media blew the trumpet to make it another Chernobyl case. Then in June, (timing is important here. Remember the Operation Geronimo was on May 1st. ) They prepared two nuclear disasters in US. One was in Calhoun Nuclear Plant in Nebraska, the other one was in Los Alamos nuclear Lab in New Mexico.

Insiders knew the disaster to come in advance, gave a warning.

6/10/11 NASA Emails ALL Employees to PREPARE!
June 10, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUPG...layer_embedded

“ Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 & Getting Worse -
June 14, 2011 (1of3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvm...ature=youtu.be “

“10 Mile Mandatory Evacuation Area at the Fort Calhoun Nuclear Plant
Posted on July 2, 2011 by admin
http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/10-m...-nuclear-plant

“Mandatory evacuation ordered as blaze threatens Los Alamos
Posted On Tuesday, June 28, 2011 By . Under WORLD

http://mysouth.su/2011/06/mandatory-...ns-los-alamos/ “

You also can see how US media is under the control of the Feds. They didn’t report the disaster, although it was at #4 emergency level, same level Fukushima had had. They were waiting for a false flag nuclear attack from “Al Qaida”. They wanted to make a shock and awe. When people were frozen in nuclear panic, Pentagon could activate a war.

The nuclear disaster hadn’t developed further because their main case failed to go through.

1. A false flag nuclear attack to justify war on Iran.

(1) On April 25, Five days before “Operation Geronimo”, so said “Al Qaida” knew Bin Laden would be “killed” and threatened a nuclear attack.
(2)
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Al-Qaeda Threatens to Unleash ‘Nuclear Hellstorm’ if bin Laden Caught

Posted by Ingrid Turner on Apr 25, 2011

Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (NEWSTABULOUS) – According to news reported by WikiLeaks, threats have been received from al-Qaeda terrorists, stating that they will “unleash a nuclear hellstorm” upon Western countries if Osama bin Laden is ever caught or killed.

http://newstabulous.com/al-qaeda-thr...n-caught/9761/

(3) May 1st, Operation Geronimo. Bin Laden was “killed” in a corpse less show.

(4) June 8, an announcement from Al Qaida justified the planned June nuke attack.

(5)

Bin Laden's No. 2: Muslims will destroy America

By BEN HUBBARD, Associated Press Ben Hubbard, Associated Press – Wed Jun 8, 4:24 pm ET
CAIRO – Osama bin Laden's deputy warned Wednesday that America faces not individual terrorists or groups but an international community of Muslims that seek to destroy it and its allies. He was delivering a 28-minute videotaped eulogy to slain al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/..._qaida_message

Though the June plot failed, the Feds still plans one before the end of the year – before Pentagon has to withdraw the troops from Iraq in 2011. So we saw Holder and Mueller have pushed out an “Iran is to assassinate Saudi Ambassador in US soil” case and now this news:

Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died
11/7/2011
http://news.yahoo.com/correcting-fai...054233289.html

Government changed the “kill Bin Laden” story again and again. It made their credit notorious low. They don’t care. Yesterday they let out a new one. What’s the purpose? My point of view: It’s a trick to remind public of Operation Geronimo. It’s a psychological tactic to let people believe it is a “revenge from Al Qaida” when a nuclear attack happens,.

Originally Posted by katsung47

691. October 21 plot (11/1/2011)

The Feds used to create big events such like natural disaster, terror attack and war to distract public attention from the case they framed on me. They used to have their assets to spread the disaster information to cheat religious people.

The Feds prepared a framed case on 10/21. 10/21 was Friday – trash collect day in my community. They prepared a big earthquake on that day and let Harold Camping to announce it was the world end day to justify the disaster. The similar attempt last time of “The judgment Day” was 5/21/2011. My wife was arranged a trip to East Coast between 5/20 and 5/22. (see “670. New warning in May (5/20/2011)” and 671) This time she was arranged a Philippine tour from 10/18 to 10/26.



I know the disaster was an earthquake because they prepared a largest drill the world has ever seen on 10/20.


There were two earthquakes took place on 10/20 to justify the coming planned big quake. The miracle was that in last world end prediction, there was also a similar earthquake (magnitude 3.6) took place on 5/21. See #571.



You can see that was a routine job. From organizing the trip, action day selection (weekends) announcing the Judgment Day, to the scale of the cover up earthquakes. It was a skilled technique.

Of course, there was Iran war as I always said. ABC News reported Harold Camping’s prediction on 10/11. Next day A.G. Holder and FBI Chief Mueller announced “Iran’s plot to assassinate Saudi ambassador in US”. The comments in the Internet mostly think it is a sting to justify a war on Iran.

692. Iran war (11/8/2011)
To justify a war on Iran, the accusation is that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. To push the Americans to support the war, the Feds did a lot of provocateur work.

1. Psychological work: Intimidate public with nuclear crisis. We saw on 3/11/2011, an earthquake in Japan which damaged the nuclear plant in Fukushima. Media blew the trumpet to make it another Chernobyl case. Then in June, (timing is important here. Remember the Operation Geronimo was on May 1st. ) They prepared two nuclear disasters in US. One was in Calhoun Nuclear Plant in Nebraska, the other one was in Los Alamos nuclear Lab in New Mexico.

Insiders knew the disaster to come in advance, gave a warning.





You also can see how US media is under the control of the Feds. They didn’t report the disaster, although it was at #4 emergency level, same level Fukushima had had. They were waiting for a false flag nuclear attack from “Al Qaida”. They wanted to make a shock and awe. When people were frozen in nuclear panic, Pentagon could activate a war.

The nuclear disaster hadn’t developed further because their main case failed to go through.

1. A false flag nuclear attack to justify war on Iran.

(1) On April 25, Five days before “Operation Geronimo”, so said “Al Qaida” knew Bin Laden would be “killed” and threatened a nuclear attack.
(2)
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(3) May 1st, Operation Geronimo. Bin Laden was “killed” in a corpse less show.

(4) June 8, an announcement from Al Qaida justified the planned June nuke attack.

(5)


Though the June plot failed, the Feds still plans one before the end of the year – before Pentagon has to withdraw the troops from Iraq in 2011. So we saw Holder and Mueller have pushed out an “Iran is to assassinate Saudi Ambassador in US soil” case and now this news:



Government changed the “kill Bin Laden” story again and again. It made their credit notorious low. They don’t care. Yesterday they let out a new one. What’s the purpose? My point of view: It’s a trick to remind public of Operation Geronimo. It’s a psychological tactic to let people believe it is a “revenge from Al Qaida” when a nuclear attack happens,.

What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by TimWalker

The Next Decade by George Friedman. He suggests a disconserting scenario that, nevertheless, resolve America's strategic dilemma in the Iraq/Persian Gulf region. Detente between America and Iraq. The reasoning is that both countries - though they despise each other - have some interests that are actually compatible. For example, it is in the interest of both countries that oil continues to flow through the Strait of Hormuz (meaning profits for Iran, and oil for the oil importing countries). Also, Shiite Iran and America are neither compatible with Sunni Arab jihadists. So an Iranian/American entente is concievable. It would be, of course, an alliance of meer convenience. The author suggests that Obama would appear to be a weak appeaser if he proposed this, rather than cynical and cunning. Friedman compares the proposed alliance to the WWII Soviet/American alliance, and to detente with China during the Nixon administration.

I assume you meant detente with Iran, not Iraq? If so, I agree, despite current headlines.

Originally Posted by TeddyR

What are you talking about?

He's off his meds.

Originally Posted by jadams

Let's set aside the nukes issue for a moment, I mean Pakistan has nukes. To expect a modern nation to not have at least nuclear energy is nuts.

I have a sort of reservation about the whole doctrine of restricting states from developing nuclear weapons technology itself: Nuclear weapons pretty much ensure that a state that has them will be left alone from the military fuckery of bigger powers. Sort of like the argument for the Second Amendment (which I agree with) of the right of self-defense--similar principle.

The problem of course is that unlike guns (which are too common and widespread to do anything substantial about anyway if we wanted to), the use of one nuclear weapon could kill millions, not to mention the additional nukes that would likely be detonated within minutes in response. So, while expanding MAD to more portions of the world and making more countries off-limits to conventional invasions and such, might actually make the world a bit more peaceful, the risk of even one going off is pretty unacceptable from a "whole human race" standpoint--and in that light, the less hands they are in the less risky.

But you know what? I sort of understand why Iran wants to develop a nuke, if that's what they're trying to do. Neither we nor anyone else will invade them at that point. And I think the government of Iran itself is pragmatic enough not to launch a nuclear attack that will turn their own country into a mushroom farm thirty minutes later (Israel has an "estimated" 200-some nukes last I read).

The genie's been long out of the bottle, or as Kosh would say, "the avalanche has begun [in 1945!], it is too late for the pebbles to vote." It's inevitable that more and more countries will gain the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons (along with using nuclear power), so the question shifts to how we adapt to this reality. If we foster a world order based on mutual respect and cooperation, we would reduce the incentive for countries to start "packing heat". If nations continue to seek domination where they can and spread fear and loathing, that incentive will increase and more countries will end up having nukes--or we'll have an endless war (PNAC wet dream) trying to stop it.

Originally Posted by Alioth68

I have a sort of reservation about the whole doctrine of restricting states from developing nuclear weapons technology itself: Nuclear weapons pretty much ensure that a state that has them will be left alone from the military fuckery of bigger powers. Sort of like the argument for the Second Amendment (which I agree with) of the right of self-defense--similar principle.

The problem of course is that unlike guns (which are too common and widespread to do anything substantial about anyway if we wanted to), the use of one nuclear weapon could kill millions, not to mention the additional nukes that would likely be detonated within minutes in response. So, while expanding MAD to more portions of the world and making more countries off-limits to conventional invasions and such, might actually make the world a bit more peaceful, the risk of even one going off is pretty unacceptable from a "whole human race" standpoint--and in that light, the less hands they are in the less risky.

But you know what? I sort of understand why Iran wants to develop a nuke, if that's what they're trying to do. Neither we nor anyone else will invade them at that point. And I think the government of Iran itself is pragmatic enough not to launch a nuclear attack that will turn their own country into a mushroom farm thirty minutes later (Israel has an "estimated" 200-some nukes last I read).

The genie's been long out of the bottle, or as Kosh would say, "the avalanche has begun [in 1945!], it is too late for the pebbles to vote." It's inevitable that more and more countries will gain the ability to manufacture nuclear weapons (along with using nuclear power), so the question shifts to how we adapt to this reality. If we foster a world order based on mutual respect and cooperation, we would reduce the incentive for countries to start "packing heat". If nations continue to seek domination where they can and spread fear and loathing, that incentive will increase and more countries will end up having nukes--or we'll have an endless war (PNAC wet dream) trying to stop it.

More of us need to understand what you are saying. Thanks.

Stephen Zunes writes: "The march to war with Iran appears to have the support a sizable number of liberal Democrats. Indeed, more than 40 members of the so-called “Progressive Caucus” have signed on as co-sponsors of the bill..Unless the public mobilizes against this legislation, then, it will be passed and the risks of a disastrous war will be markedly increased."

'Iran Threat Reduction Act' Actually Enhances Threat of War
by Stephen Zunes

Congress is taking up dangerous legislation which appears to be designed to pave the way for war by taking the unprecedented step of effectively preventing any kind of U.S. diplomatic contact with Iran. The Iran Threat Reduction Act of 2011 (H.R. 1905), sponsored by the right-wing chair of the House Foreign Relations Committee Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, contains a provision (Section 601, subsection (c)) which would put into law a restriction whereby

No person employed with the United States Government may contact in an official or unofficial capacity any person that. . . is an agent, instrumentality, or official of, is affiliated with, or is serving as a representative of the Government of Iran;

Continued: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/12-4