I'm having a strong case of deja vu. I believe I've heard this story before. Stop the middle eastern country from making and using WMDs. First we go to through a series of talks along with putting sanctions on them and when those fail, our only alternative is to send in the military.Originally Posted by katsung47
Last edited by ASB65; 05-21-2012 at 09:30 AM.
Amy, given the source of the post, I'd take it with a grain of salt.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
I went back and looked for the source. The story came from the Associate Press. So what is the source I should take with a grain of salt? Perhaps I'm sounding a bit naive, but I'm confused.
Katsang47. His posts are rather bizarre, but even a broken clock can be rights twice a day.
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
I can take what a poster says with a grain of salt, but the article (written by provided by AP?) is a horse of a different color. Yikes...good to know.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
And the same article elsewhere in the news. Actually Katsung is reporting old-ish news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18110191
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-rea...0#.T7qL1bKF9PE
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
...and...
QUOTE=Chas'88;431825]And the same article elsewhere in the news. Actually Katsung is reporting old-ish news...[/QUOTE]
-Actually, Duh. We have plans to do plenty of things in case we have to, and always have.
Look up "Plan Crimson."
I seriously suggest that anyone who has children or grandchildren with whom they would rather not see as soldiers, get their anti-war boots on. Because those boots are going to come in handy no matter who is elected in November.
How the Obama Administration Is Stalling Its Way to War with IranInstead, three and a half years after George W. Bush left office, his successor continues to insist that Iran surrender to Washington’s diktats or face attack. By doing so, Obama is locking America into a path that is increasingly likely to result in yet another U.S.-initiated war in the Middle East during the first years of the next presidential term. And the damage that war against Iran will inflict on America’s strategic position could make the Iraq debacle look trivial by comparison.
Deep-Sixing the China Option
Since talks with Iran over its nuclear development started up again in April, U.S. officials have repeatedly warned that Tehran will not be allowed to “play for time” in the negotiations. In fact, it is the Obama administration that is playing for time.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/06/19-9
Last edited by Deb C; 06-19-2012 at 05:39 PM.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
Sorry, Deb, there have been so many claims over the past 10 years about the US being about to invade Iran that I just ignore them. There is going to be no invasion of Iran.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Unfortunately, the cyber attacks (which are considered an act of war by US) and sanctions are only the beginning. Time will tell but the war drums are sure getting louder and louder.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a
They said that years ago and no war materialized.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
A friend sent me the real reason neocons want a war with Iran
http://www.strategicinvestment.com/p...&code=ENDPN301
With the election of moderate and insider Rouhani is the "time ripe for Iran reset?"
I confess to being still pessimistic that ultimate war between the US and Iran (over Iran's nuclear program) can be avoided - despite the recent election of Rouhani and probably (still) greater US sympathy among ordinary Iranians than elsewhere in the region.
The continuing question would seem to be whether or not the regime (and the power behind the power: the Ayatollah and the clerics) would in the end be a rational actor vis a vis nuclear weapons. And given not only the rhetoric of the regime re: Israel but of sponsorship of Hezbollah (who were among the first to popularize the use of suicide bombings) and other attacks on civilians, and the use of suicide bombers in the Iran-Iraq war I think the concern is not potentially without merit (as well as what may differentiate the regime from loafer thumping Russians).
Is Iran going to be an existential threat to the US*. I don't think so. But that doesn't mean a nuclear armed Iran may in the end be an existential threat to Israel, and in turn itself. And of course that can't be tolerated - even if practically no one in the US and probably not very Iranians want a US-Iran war.
* There is the issue of potential nuclear blackmail though, as well as the potential sharing of materials and know-how with other states and terrorist networks, and in the longer term the potential for delivering medium and long range nuclear weapons.
Last edited by Linus; 06-26-2013 at 07:00 PM.
"Jan, cut the crap."
"It's just a donut."
http://theweek.com/articles/560256/t...-world-suckers
...The dovish case for negotiating with Iran on its nuclear program always was an "if-then" proposition.
If Iran was prepared to give up its military nuclear program in exchange for inducements, then wouldn't that be great?
The answer, of course, is that it would be. But is Iran really prepared to do that?
Iran hawks answered in the negative, and argued that any negotiations would merely allow Iran to buy time to expand its nuclear activities even further.
Given that it really would be really great if the "if" was true, there was a very strong case, for a very long time, for giving Iran that Iran kept growing its nuclear stockpile throughout the negotiations, despite White House assurances to the contrary, was the last nail in the coffin.
Iran has been caught red-handed lying, cheating, and double-talking throughout this process. It is still developing missiles designed to carry nuclear warheads, according to the Pentagon. It is reportedly still working with North Korea on military nuclear technology.
In other words, everything we know suggests Iran is still on its nuclear trip, despite its promises and despite the ongoing negotiations...
My grand trine prediction is going to work, dammit!
My grand trine prediction is going to work, dammit! The Early Summer of 2013 featured Jupiter-Saturn-Neptune all 120 degrees apart within 4 minutes of arc. Great figure! I predicted peace agreements and new constitutions would follow. Rohani was promptly elected, and Egypt's Morsi overthrown. The Pope sponsored a US opening with Cuba. And more. The Iran negotiations will work! Let's hear it for the grand trine!
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"...senior White House officials gleefully confess they use friendly reporters and nonprofits as public relations tools in the selling of President Obama’s foreign policy — and can do it almost at will because these tools are ignorant, will believe what they’re told, will essentially take dictation and are happy to be used just to get the information necessary for a tweet or two.
Their greatest triumph, according to Samuels, was selling a misleading narrative about the nuclear deal with Iran — the parameters of which were set a year before the administration claimed and which had nothing to do with the fact that a supposedly more accommodating government had risen to power..."
The original story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/ma...ioncollection%
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