I know THIS Millie has been frustrated for a while. It's a shame to think I have to wait that long.Originally Posted by Eric the Green
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I know THIS Millie has been frustrated for a while. It's a shame to think I have to wait that long.
Well, Howe and I agree that the 2008 crash was the real beginning of the 4T. The effect that the recent events in Boston have in changing our mood back into a pre Katrina "the authorities know what they're doing" mode will test this. If we see some candidate, and it could be from either major party, promoting a jingoistic agenda in 2016 then the case for 911 as the catalyst will be strengthened.
I plan to watch this.
All of these, and even more, will be chronic issues that endanger a high recovery and also the foreseeable future, yes.
Last edited by herbal tee; 04-22-2013 at 10:33 PM.
9/11 was a mere warning wave. Our next Pearl Harbor is still TBD.
And is more likely to be a Fort Sumpter.
Sadly, all too true...
Sorry about that, Jordan. X will have it's turn center-stage during this decade and much of the 2020's. Better consult PRB about fine wines, and Rags about shrooms until then. I'm pretty much done, myself, as Obama is probably the best my contemporaries can come up with. I don't drink/drug, so bad fanfic, amusing boardgames, and lots of walks, followed by naps is the best I can manage...
Yeah, I'm good on the drinking and drugs bit. Covered that. I'm actually more interested in being productive, laying the groundwork for something better.
Huh?
I don't grow those kind of shrooms.
I grow these:
Oyster mushrooms
Turkey tails
etc.
You cook with oyster mushrooms and make turkey tail tea if you catch the flu. As for druggie plants, yeah, I grow tobacco.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Interesting. For personal use?
Yes, and it's perfectly legit.
1. I'll be growning Scherazi (picture below) , will go into front yard since I think it as pretty flowers. Nicotine impact is "normal'. Main ingredient for snus.
Obvious, nicotine impact is high. Additive to snus and for making juice for corn silk to keep those damn earworms away.
TA108 Lizard tail turtlefoot.
I have something like 30 varieties of tobacco in inventory.It's such a versatile plant! I'm using it for an ornamental, bug killer, and of course to make Swedish snus.
Processing.
1. When leaves start turning brown , take a knife and whatever and cut the plant stalk and hang upside down somewhere to cure. IE. the leaves turn brown and dry out.
2. For snus only. Take dry leaves and grind in food processor and weigh out 1 kilogram of dried leaves.
3.Mix with 1.1 liter of water.
4. Mix with 50 grams of table salt.
5. Place in oven at 45-50 degrees C for 5 days.
6. When 5 days are up, take the bowl/pan of tobacco outside and add 90 grams of potassium carbonate. You want to do it outside because you get ammonia fumes that reek. Potassium carbonate will also freebase the nicotine.
7. Test moisture. If too wet,let it dry a bit, if too dry add a bit of water.
8. Add flavoring if desired. I like mint.
Mint flavor:
obtain high proof vodka or just Everclear. Gather mint leaves and add to booze. Store in dark place for a few days. Put mixture into freezer. Mint oil will freeze out and rise to top. Add just a little mint oil to snus. Mint oil tends to be caustic.
Oh yeah, starting by seed. Easiest way is to use the usual things you start seeds in, but
1. Pack the dirt down tight and water. Repack.
2. apply tobacco seeds on top. Do not insert into soil. They use light to tell them when to germinate.
3. After seed application, put plastic on top of pot. This will keep the soil moist so you won't have to apply water which might bury the seeds. You can remove the plastic once the seedlings start to touch the plastic. Normal watering can then be done.
Fertilizer. The basic Copperfield piss application suffices in Oklahoma. No liming needed as it's natural here. Coffee grounds provide assorted trace nutrients. Tobacco is a heavy nitrogen feeder.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
I do believe you are the first person that I have ever run across who grows his own personal tobacco plants (though that is almost certainly a geographical thing). How long of a growing season for the plants and what are the space requirements?Yes, and it's perfectly legit.
1. I'll be growning Scherazi (picture below) , will go into front yard since I think it as pretty flowers. Nicotine impact is "normal'. Main ingredient for snus.
Obvious, nicotine impact is high. Additive to snus and for making juice for corn silk to keep those damn earworms away.
TA108 Lizard tail turtlefoot.
I have something like 30 varieties of tobacco in inventory.
Processing.
1. When leaves start turning brown , take a knife and whatever and cut the plant stalk and hang upside down somewhere to cure. IE. the leaves turn brown and dry out.
2. For snus only. Take dry leaves and grind in food processor and weigh out 1 kilogram of dried leaves.
3.Mix with 1.1 liter of water.
4. Mix with 50 grams of table salt.
5. Place in oven at 45-50 degrees C for 5 days.
6. When 5 days are up, take the bowl/pan of tobacco outside and add 90 grams of potassium carbonate. You want to do it outside because you get ammonia fumes that reek. Potassium carbonate will also freebase the nicotine.
7. Test moisture. If too wet,let it dry a bit, if too dry add a bit of water.
8. Add flavoring if desired. I like mint.
Mint flavor:
obtain high proof vodka or just Everclear. Gather mint leaves and add to booze. Store in dark place for a few days. Put mixture into freezer. Mint oil will freeze out and rise to top. Add just a little mint oil to snus. Mint oil tends to be caustic.
Oh yeah, starting by seed. Easiest way is to use the usual things you start seeds in, but
1. Pack the dirt down tight and water. Repack.
2. apply tobacco seeds on top. Do not insert into soil. They use light to tell them when to germinate.
3. After seed application, put plastic on top of pot. This will keep the soil moist so you won't have to apply water which might bury the seeds. You can remove the plastic once the seedlings start to touch the plastic. Normal watering can then be done.
Fertilizer. The basic Copperfield piss application suffices in Oklahoma. No liming needed as it's natural here. Coffee grounds provide assorted trace nutrients. Tobacco is a heavy nitrogen feeder.
1. Tobacco will mature in 11 to 15 weeks, assuming you've started them indoors before planting. The plants should be around 4-6 inches tall before transplanting.
2. Spacing: 18 to 24 inches between plants. I'd go with 24 for the large varieties like lizard tail turtle foot and 18 for the smaller Indian. The Indian variety is nicotinia rustica, while the other 2 are nicotinia tobaccum.
3. Bonus. If you want to grow it every year, make sure to rotate it out with something that isn't a nightshade (no peppers/tomatoes/potatoes). I haven't had bug issues here, but for bugs on other stuff, I use garlic juice. Nematodes? Oyster mushrooms are your friend. Get a hardwood log that's been cured for about 3 weeks and put oyster mushroom plugs in it. Place log under plants. Oyster mushrooms when growing will eat the nematodes. For faster oyster mushrooms, get a kit off teh internets , grow it as usual, then gather some hay (heat to about 140) and place kit in that. You may be able to get some quickie ones that way. The usual compost method usually suffices.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
After a seven month hiatus I have returned to revive this thread. :
The holiday shopping season is beginning and the trend towards more workers being forced to work on holidays seems destined to continue.
The roll out of the ACA or ''Obamacare'' is fraught with technical glitches. The usual political posturing is going on because of these glitches.
And finally your host here is still seeking work in either a blue or purple state. And this is because nothing that has happened in the last seven months has convinced me that my reluctant conclusion that this 4T would be much like the Civil War 4T was incorrect. If anything I suspect that the process of the two American becoming less and less alike is accelerating.
Are you sure about this? I think they've been pretty much lobotomized with Ishits and Facefuck.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP
There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
Maybe it's just a practice run for the next 3T Cocoon to come. :Are you sure about this? I think they've been pretty much lobotomized with Ishits and Facefuck.
I think Bad Dog is on the right track, and so is herbal tee.Are you sure about this? I think they've been pretty much lobotomized with Ishits and Facefuck.
You may have a point Rags, but American culture can hold down the people for only so long.
I also agree, but fear it maybe a 2T event, rather than the conclusion of this 4T. The dam is starting to leak a bit, but it may not be enough to trigger a breech. A little patching of the socio-economic pact could easily quiet all but the most vigilant egalitarians ... but, as you note, not forever. David Kaiser is firmly in the next-saeculum group on this, and I'm easily persuadable. This 4T is not going well so far.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.
I seriously doubt it. For example, Obama is equally un-liked by both the Far Right and the Far Left. That demonstrates just how fringe they are. As geopolitical crises hit with ever increasing frequency and severity, only the most fringe elements will remain vested in the dumb "Blue" vs "Red" conflicts of the Late 20th Century. Most folks are really tired of the bickering and just want to be good Americans.
Remember the 4T is far from over, and we are in an Indian Autumn, or acc. to the pattern I just discovered, a crisis-high microturning.
I seriously doubt it. You may be in the middle politically, but somehow the middle doesn't seem to gain power, but keeps on losing it. "Independents" do not support an independent candidate, but are quite satisfied to vote red or blue. It is not a "dumb" conflict; it is the conflict that rules our society, because the wealthy get ever-more favors and ever-more freedom to corrupt it. With Citizens United the law of the land for some time to come, and countless other Reaganomics and Bush policies still in place, the Republican right-wing fanatics will be well-funded. They will be strong enough for a while to keep government deadlocked and unable even to pass laws that are in their own political interest, like immigration reform. They are truly pathetic, married not only to outdated culture-war issues, but most firmly to libertarian economics, which has been proven to fail time after time. And Obama will be long gone before this 4T is over. The right-wing fringe-- the only fringe that is a problem-- will be happy to demonize whoever else seeks to enact a moderate to liberal policy.
The geo-political crises you speak of, are mainly global warming, and other peoples' desire for freedom. Dealing with global warming is very much a red-blue issue, and Americans have little appetite for helping freedom movements. So we are stuck, and they will get worse. Only if the red side is defeated and sent home, will we be able to get a politics that enables us to deal with issues and crises in a constructive way. So THAT is the nub of our problem-- getting rid of the red side. They are just blocking us, and the dam will burst eventually. They can't block progress forever.
I don't think of it as the fringe of the left/right that dislikes Obama, more like the two current flavors of populism, libertarians and progressives, both realize that Obama is 90% big money and corporate interests with a 10% change candy coating and they are rejecting him for it. The struggle of our time is not left versus right, but top versus bottom. The left and the right both want the same thing (that is, for the system to hear their voices and respond to their needs) even as the culture gulf between them is as wide as ever. It is worth noting that the two news sources many rely on, FOX News and MSNBC, are corporate media outlets dictating from the top why half of those on the bottom should hate the other half. And so, the America on TV becomes a weird distorted caricature of America as we know it.
Edit: Since I forgot to include my original point, I don't think we're looking at a Fort Sumter OR Pearl Harbor, but more akin to a Lexington and Concord.
Last edited by Vid Ryan; 11-28-2013 at 05:35 PM.
Maybe another MacArthur overstepping with the Bonus Army?
"My generation, we were the generation that was going to change the world: somehow we were going to make it a little less lonely, a little less hungry, a little more just place. But it seems that when that promise slipped through our hands we didn´t replace it with nothing but lost faith."
Bruce Springsteen, 1987
http://brucebase.wikispaces.com/1987...+YORK+CITY,+NY
Ahem. Original thread here.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
The pattern I "discovered" is entirely different though, although the idea of micro-turnings itself is not mine. It's based on an entirely different way of timing the micro-turnings (as if you didn't notice??). I didn't think there were any until I decided to go through history and look.
http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...197#post489197
http://www.fourthturning.com/forum/s...633#post489633
Maybe my pattern has some validity. People may find yours more valid though. It's just speculation anyway.
But on the other hand, no way can I subscribe to a 2005 4T start date. There was some concern over Katrina and global warming, but no action was taken except by individuals, as per a 3T. The great recession OTOH required strong government intervention to stop the economy from going off a steep cliff, and has left millions unemployed; apparently forever. So to me the green awakening following Katrina and Gore's film, and the growing opposition to the Iraq War, was a mini-awakening-- an unraveling-awakening micro-turning. Almost like a mini-late 1960s in those respects, if not culturally.
So based on that idea, I went through and looked at the other turnings. I admit that the 1989-1994 period could be called an unraveling-awakening too. (Uranus-Neptune conjunction after all; you can't ignore that; but note that my micro-turning pattern was not based on astrology)
Last edited by Eric the Green; 11-29-2013 at 02:19 AM.
That could be; probably some of both, or even all three.
The problem with this point is that the difference between left and right is more than "cultural." At least, it is clearly an economic theory that divides the two sides most strongly. The right (including libertarians) supports the economic theory upon which corporate America depends for its wealth and power, and which has created this inequality.
What the right wants the system to "respond to," is their desire for lower taxes instead of government spending on welfare and other government programs. Remember, TEA Party stands for Taxed Enough Already. That is NOT what the Left says at all. For some of these folks on the right, there is a cultural element in this; they don't want to help ethnic minorities with their tax money. For others, such as many libertarians, this ethnic or racial aspect may not be a factor at all.
