The Walmart era lives on. Mad rush for towels and other trinkets injures players.

Originally Posted by Huffington Post

video was taken at a Walmart in Johnson City, Tenn., according to Instagram user jcooper770. Such instances weren't limited to a single Walmart store, according to various Internet users

And what rough beast it's hour come 'round at last.....

Originally Posted by herbal tee

The Walmart era lives on. Mad rush for towels and other trinkets injures players.

1. Substitute Thursday for Saturday.
2. Play the song instead of silly standard Christmas muzak all over the store of choice.
3. Ppl with Ishits etc. can then record away with proper sound track and scenery!

And what rough beast it's hour come 'round at last.....

Or what's old is new again.

Originally Posted by herbal tee

The Walmart era lives on. Mad rush for towels and other trinkets injures players.

And what rough beast it's hour come 'round at last.....

Celebrating American exceptionalism.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Celebrating American exceptionalism.....

....one dead retail worker at a time.

Read an article on how nasty the fulfillment warehouses were to work in. This is their worst time of year.

Originally Posted by Bad Dog

Read an article on how nasty the fulfillment warehouses were to work in. This is their worst time of year.

One time when I was unemployed I worked as a seasonal worker with Target. They try to project an image as a progressive Minnesota based employer. There was nothing progressive about the whip crackers in line supervision positions who competed to see who could be the most ruthless manager. They promoted based on how much turnip blood a manager could extract per shift.

Originally Posted by herbal tee

One time when I was unemployed I worked as a seasonal worker with Target. They try to project an image as a progressive Minnesota based employer. There was nothing progressive about the whip crackers in line supervision positions who competed to see who could be the most ruthless manager. They promoted based on how much turnip blood a manager could extract per shift.

Well, there goes my alternative to... aw hell, it's going to be the dollar store at best for me from now on.

I will point out that generally, Target has better looking women wandering around...

But climate change/global warming can only be successfully dealt with if the entire world can be brought on board - and for China and India that would be economic suicide; and worse yet, Russia and Canada are literally battening off the warming itself (have you been to Dudinka or Churchill, Manitoba lately?).

And that would necessitate the greatest far-right bete noire of all:

World Government.

Originally Posted by '58 Flat

But climate change/global warming can only be successfully dealt with if the entire world can be brought on board - and for China and India that would be economic suicide; and worse yet, Russia and Canada are literally battening off the warming itself (have you been to Dudinka or Churchill, Manitoba lately?).

And that would necessitate the greatest far-right bete noire of all:

World Government.

Nonsense. China and India are already doing more than we are. They have burgeoning alternative energy industries, growing faster than ours. They need help and leadership from America, and are not getting it. The problems lies solely in Washington DC, and squarely upon the shoulders of the loonies in the House, and those loonies who voted for them on Nov.2, 2010.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Nonsense. China and India are already doing more than we are. They have burgeoning alternative energy industries, growing faster than ours. They need help and leadership from America, and are not getting it. The problems lies solely in Washington DC, and squarely upon the shoulders of the loonies in the House, and those loonies who voted for them on Nov.2, 2010.

Eric, according to Slate, India is a problem. They are rapidly trying to modernize, trying to get electricity, heat and AC, and plumbing to its population of 1.2 billion. So they are blocking climate agreements.

A powerful but unpredictable force is rising in the battle over the future of the climate. It’s the type of powerful force that’s felt when 1.2 billion people clamor for more electricity—many of them trying to light, heat, and refrigerate their ways out of poverty; others throwing rupees at excessive air conditioning and other newfound luxuries. And it’s the type of unpredictable force that’s felt when the government of those 1.2 billion is in election mode, clamoring for votes by brazenly blocking progress at international climate talks.

Hundreds of millions of Indians live in poverty, wielding a tiny per-person carbon footprint when compared with residents of the West and coming out on top of environmental sustainability surveys. But the country is home to so many people that steady economic growth is turning it into a climate-changing powerhouse. It has developed a gluttonous appetite for coal, one of the most climate-changing fuels and the source of nearly two-thirds of the country’s power. India recently overtook Russia to become the world’s third-biggest greenhouse gas polluter, behind China and the United States. (If you count the European Union as a single carbon-belching bloc, then India comes in fourth).

India has been obstructing progress on international climate talks, culminating during the two weeks of U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change negotiations that ended Saturday in Warsaw. The Warsaw talks were the latest annual get-together for nearly 200 countries trying to thrash out a new climate treaty to replace the Kyoto Protocol.

India’s erraticism at international climate talks is frustrating the West. But it is also starting to anger some developing nations struggling to cope with violent weather, droughts, and floods blamed on climate change.

India’s stance during climate talks is that developed countries should be legally committed to addressing global warming by reducing their greenhouse gas emissions, and that developing countries should do what they say they can do to help out.

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

Eric, according to Slate, India is a problem. They are rapidly trying to modernize, trying to get electricity, heat and AC, and plumbing to its population of 1.2 billion. So they are blocking climate agreements.

It doesn't change the fact that India is ramping up its wind and solar energy. e.g.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/aj...solar_and.html

If America would set an example and commit to helping developing nations, as it agreed to do, India would cooperate. The fault lies entirely with us, and with Republicans especially, and with those who vote for them-- such as the lady here whom you defended against me for no reason.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

It doesn't change the fact that India is ramping up its wind and solar energy. e.g.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/aj...solar_and.html

If America would set an example and commit to helping developing nations, as it agreed to do, India would cooperate. The fault lies entirely with us, and with Republicans especially, and with those who vote for them-- such as the lady here whom you defended against me for no reason.

Republican pols take their marching orders from Big Oil.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Nonsense. China and India are already doing more than we are. They have burgeoning alternative energy industries, growing faster than ours. They need help and leadership from America, and are not getting it.

Backwards. We need help from China and India because they are doing more than we are. We are also debt serfs who can't help anyone 'cause we're broke and we worship at the holy shrines of con$umerism every black Friday by stampeding the doors and doing the ritualistic cha-cha-ching for Ishits.

The problems lies solely in Washington DC, and squarely upon the shoulders of the loonies in the House, and those loonies who voted for them on Nov.2, 2010.

Are you sure?



The blame belongs more with the above, IMHO.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

Backwards. We need help from China and India because they are doing more than we are. We are also debt serfs who can't help anyone 'cause we're broke and we worship at the holy shrines of con$umerism every black Friday by stampeding the doors and doing the ritualistic cha-cha-ching for Ishits.

No, we need to help them because we are developed nations and they are developing nations. We are and have been using the most fossil fuels. We developed the new technology first, and should have converted long ago. Reagan stopped the conversion. We need to take the lead again. But as long as crazies control the House, we are mostly stymied. The American people made the decision to stop all progress on absolutely everything on Nov 2, 2010. Stupid people!

Are you sure?



The blame belongs more with the above, IMHO.

Policies in Washington determine whether new green energy companies or old fossil-fuel ones get subsidies. The record is clear: Republicans support the latter and Democrats the former. The League of Conservation voters ranked all the congress members and the rating were like 90=% to -10%. The DINOs and Republicans in the Senate killed the carbon tax in 2009, and the post-Nov.2, 2010 Republican House will never pass it.

Policies in Washington determine whether car companies are required to have high mileage standards too, and how strictly greenhouse gases are regulated. The pressure to keep coal companies is business is the problem.

Consumerism is only relevant to the extent that people buy gas and use fossil fuels. Use of fossil fuels is the issue, not how many Christmas gifts we buy. It is true that rampant consumerism uses energy. But if we switched our energy use to green alternatives, and stop saying we can't do it and just do it, it wouldn't matter that much how many products we make or import, buy and sell.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

No, we need to help them because we are developed nations and they are developing nations. We are and have been using the most fossil fuels. We developed the new technology first, and should have converted long ago. Reagan stopped the conversion. We need to take the lead again. But as long as crazies control the House, we are mostly stymied. The American people made the decision to stop all progress on absolutely everything on Nov 2, 2010. Stupid people!

1. I'm gonna channel my inner Vandal and point out a strawman fallacy, colored in yellow.
2. Your point is not relevant to what I was saying Eric. It is probably true that China and India are "developing countries" and have used [ on a historic basis] fewer fossil fuels than "developed countries".
3. The fact is that China and India have the technology and are currently using using it. As follows:
4. China and India are going to pursue their own interests regardless of what the US says or does. Neither country gives a rat's ass and this goes especially to China. The US thinks its important. That was true, but its not true now. Shrub trashed that idea a while back.

Originally Posted by Eric

It doesn't change the fact that India is ramping up its wind and solar energy. e.g.
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/aj...solar_and.html

4. Reagan did X. Rags counts 2 straw men in 1 post. Reagan's policies have no bearing on China and India's grid build out now.

You yourself said this, I didn't. I'm using Eric the Green as my source to validate my line item #3.

Policies in Washington determine whether new green energy companies or old fossil-fuel ones get subsidies. The record is clear: Republicans support the latter and Democrats the former. The League of Conservation voters ranked all the congress members and the rating were like 90=% to -10%. The DINOs and Republicans in the Senate killed the carbon tax in 2009, and the post-Nov.2, 2010 Republican House will never pass it.

Uh, I'll make the point that your remark I colored green for $ is true. I dare say our national religion of con$umeri$m makes for lots of stupid people. The shrines [malls] have swill trays aka "shelves". If ppl are busy looking up the latest door buster items de jour then they can't possibly be thinking of public policy.

Policies in Washington determine whether car companies are required to have high mileage standards too, and how strictly greenhouse gases are regulated. The pressure to keep coal companies is business is the problem.

Does the above have a "killer app" ?

Consumerism is only relevant to the extent that people buy gas and use fossil fuels. Use of fossil fuels is the issue, not how many Christmas gifts we buy. It is true that rampant consumerism uses energy. But if we switched our energy use to green alternatives, and stop saying we can't do it and just do it, it wouldn't matter that much how many products we make or import, buy and sell.

No, brain usage is like everything else in this universe. Folks are either thinking about public policy or they're thinking of sacraments (credit cards and ads about junk) or rituals (dark time campouts by the shrines and shrine door rushes.).

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

1. I'm gonna channel my inner Vandal and point out a strawman fallacy, colored in yellow.
2. Your point is not relevant to what I was saying Eric. It is probably true that China and India are "developing countries" and have used [ on a historic basis] fewer fossil fuels than "developed countries".
3. The fact is that China and India have the technology and are currently using using it. As follows:
4. China and India are going to pursue their own interests regardless of what the US says or does. Neither country gives a rat's ass and this goes especially to China. The US thinks it's important. That was true, but it's not true now. Shrub trashed that idea a while back.

1. Don't discredit yourself by attributing your critique ability to vandal. It is your own ability.
2. Yes China and India are using it.
3. Agreements can and are made among nations about international needs. So it can happen on this issue, and has before, although the USA under Shrub didn't sign on. The resistance now comes from his fellow GOPFERS. Demos frequently want to move forward on this issue; GOPFERS don't.

4. Reagan did X. Rags counts 2 straw men in 1 post. Reagan's policies have no bearing on China and India's grid build out now.

It has everything to do with it. We could have been an example to the world and helped other nations convert by now. Reagan took us way off track.

Uh, I'll make the point that your remark I colored green for $ is true. I dare say our national religion of con$umeri$m makes for lots of stupid people. The shrines [malls] have swill trays aka "shelves". If ppl are busy looking up the latest door buster items de jour then they can't possibly be thinking of public policy.

That's true.

Does the above have a "killer app" ?

I dunno. I don't use smart phones.

Originally Posted by pbrower2a

Republican pols take their marching orders from Big Oil.

But that's better than taking one's marching orders from Satan.

Originally Posted by '58 Flat

But that's better than taking one's marching orders from Satan.

How do you know that they're not one in the same?

Originally Posted by '58 Flat

But that's better than taking one's marching orders from Satan.

There's a difference between Satan and Big Oil? Pray tell? (echoing herbal tee)

Originally Posted by '58 Flat

But climate change/global warming can only be successfully dealt with if the entire world can be brought on board - and for China and India that would be economic suicide; and worse yet, Russia and Canada are literally battening off the warming itself (have you been to Dudinka or Churchill, Manitoba lately?).

And that would necessitate the greatest far-right bete noire of all:

World Government.

And those BRIC nations (most especially Russia and China) would never submit to the authority of any World Government. By its very nature a World Government would embody many aspects of the Magna Carta and the US Constitution. Such concepts are hated in the Eastern world. Therefore, instead of the UN becoming a World Federalist end game, it will incur the fate of the League of Nations. Total War shall ensue. The already predestined (by existing demographic momentum or lack thereof) population inflection will be highly accelerated possibly resulting in retreat to levels of population and development last seen 1500 years ago. Well, problem solved if one is seeking to undo the woes of "Evil Carbon Based Energy."

Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84

And those BRIC nations (most especially Russia and China) would never submit to the authority of any World Government. By its very nature a World Government would embody many aspects of the Magna Carta and the US Constitution. Such concepts are hated in the Eastern world. Therefore, instead of the UN becoming a World Federalist end game, it will incur the fate of the League of Nations. Total War shall ensue. The already predestined (by existing demographic momentum or lack thereof) population inflection will be highly accelerated possibly resulting in retreat to levels of population and development last seen 1500 years ago. Well, problem solved if one is seeking to undo the woes of "Evil Carbon Based Energy."

Brazil is as Western as the US -- as is the whole of Latin America. India is about as pro-Western as any country not in the core West (Europe and the Americas) except perhaps for the Philippines -- probably more Western than Japan or South Korea. If anything, America seems to be taking steps to separate itself from the norms of Europe and North America, rediscovering the ostensible virtues of feudal inequality and pre-scientific attitudes toward nature while establishing a profits-first, profits-only ethos. Just think of all the dolts who reject evolution as a temptation of the Devil.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

There's a difference between Satan and Big Oil? Pray tell? (echoing herbal tee)

Satan shits Big Oil.

Originally Posted by sbrombacher

Satan shits Big Oil.

One Venezuelan politician referred at the time of an oil boom that petroleum is la mierda del Diablo -- the $#!+ of the Devil -- in response to the dislocations, inequity, and corruption that oil fostered in a country whose institutions were too weak to handle it.