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Post#51 at 03-05-2010 05:20 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
Woah! You don't mess arouind, do you?! Are all Millys as hard-working as you? I'll check some of these out given time; I've started with "The Obselete Man" FWIW. I hope this didn't put you out too much.

Thanks, PoC67

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Oh I've just been up 'till 4 AM each night thinking about this and gathering links. (speaking of which I better get going to bed) I'm still not completely satisfied with the list & I'll probably be adding a lot to this over the course of the coming week. Also any suggestions from anyone else would be perfectly fine with me.

Are all Millies as hard-working as me? I'd have to say yes. When we have something on our mind we generally focus on it until it gets done. However I consider this to be a very basic human trait that most people have, if only people would develop it. Some develop it more than others I believe.

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#52 at 03-05-2010 09:57 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Okay, here's the first part of tracing the evolution of Micro-turnings through multimedia. Some of it is actual footage, others are recreations of earlier eras (mostly the early 20th century links). I tried to find examples of home life, political life, but mostly I went for the general "feel" to each micro-turning--didn't always succeed in getting the other points. I'm quite willing to keep on adding to this post & have others contribute pertinent examples as well.

The years are a combination from the original post/Mr. Reed's post. In fact this post started as a response to Mr. Reed.

Awakening-crisis: 1901 – 1907:




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Unraveling-high: 1907 – 1912:





Unraveling-awakening: 1912 – 1917:





Unraveling-unraveling: 1917 – 1925:





Unraveling-crisis: 1925 – 1929:





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Crisis-high: 1929 – 1933:





Crisis-awakening: 1933 – 1938:





Crisis-unraveling: 1938 – 1941:










Crisis-crisis: 1941 – 1946:





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High-high: 1946 – 1950:






  • Isn’t It Kinda Fun – State Fair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0As5d0hdmbA (despite its 1945 release, the entire movie has a very post-Crisis feel to it, looking forward to the society that’s being set up & critiquing it a little too);



  • The Chase – Brigadoon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPGv3yr3Lpk (musical: 1949, movie 1954 – expresses the postwar feelings of GIs and allegorically criticizes & celebrates the return to “simpler” & older values & morals.)


High-awakening: 1950 – 1955:







High-unraveling: 1955 – 1959:













High-crisis: 1959 – 1963/4:














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Awakening-high: 1963/4 – 1967:











Awakening-awakening: 1967 – 1973:











Awakening-unraveling: 1973 – 1978:













Awakening-crisis: 1978 – 1984:













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Unraveling-high: 1984 – 1988:


Classic John Hughes movies















Other










Unraveling-awakening: 1988 – 1995:






  • Hocus Pocus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDidHzwYu3E (made in 1998, set in 1993, shows the stereotyped relationship between Nintendo Xer teens & Gen Yer younger siblings; also depicts that the kids are left on their own while parents are off partying in a self-gratifying world of pleasure that was the 1990s) ;


Unraveling-unraveling: 1995 – 2000:












  • Cuckoo Clock of Doom – Goosebumps - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezvEP6Wg5ak (set in 1995 with tensions between a 1983 Gen Yer clinging to the young teen Nintendo Xer stereotype & a 1988 Gen Yer younger sister; the story uses the stereotyped relationship between Nintendo wave Xers & Gen Yers during the 1990s)


Unraveling-crisis: 2000 – 2005:






























Enjoy watching them, it's taken a whole week to gather and decide on what to include.

Comments? Critiques?

~Chas'88
Holy sh*t, that is AWESOME!
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Post#53 at 03-05-2010 12:33 PM by Xer H [at Chicago and Indiana joined Dec 2009 #posts 1,212]
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F'ing brilliant, Chas... effin' brilliant!







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Oh I've just been up 'till 4 AM each night thinking about this and gathering links. (speaking of which I better get going to bed) I'm still not completely satisfied with the list & I'll probably be adding a lot to this over the course of the coming week. Also any suggestions from anyone else would be perfectly fine with me.

Are all Millies as hard-working as me? I'd have to say yes. When we have something on our mind we generally focus on it until it gets done. However I consider this to be a very basic human trait that most people have, if only people would develop it. Some develop it more than others I believe.

~Chas'88
Thanks! Look forward to going through these







Post#55 at 03-05-2010 02:12 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by scotths View Post
Thanks! Look forward to going through these
Thanks to everyone! I'm glad that others are going to enjoy the links. I've added a few links to the Awakening-Crisis & the Unraveling-Awakening concerning the Cold War.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#56 at 03-06-2010 06:27 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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I've added new links concerning the Child/Teen culture of the last Unraveling:

Gothic & Gothic Romance - Teens
Fantasy/Science Fiction/Fairy Tale/Mythology/Semi-gothic - Children

My favorite new link: Addams Family Values

From this link, one can see the seeds that would grow into the divide amongst the Gen Yers that exists today: One can tell who the future Ron Paul voters & future Obama voters are & why they are the way they are.

~Chas'88
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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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I just watched the Twilight Zone "Shelter" you have put in the High-Crisis. Not to carry the fractal thought too far, but it struck me that in the short span of the show(one evening in time), the S/H constellation was played out.

1. High - birthday part with neighbors.
2. Awakening - announcement of UFOs.
3. Unraveling - neighbors all begin attacking each other.
4. Crisis - the battering ram breaks down the door of the shelter.

These patterns are universal.

James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton







Post#58 at 03-07-2010 01:06 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by James50 View Post
I just watched the Twilight Zone "Shelter" you have put in the High-Crisis. Not to carry the fractal thought too far, but it struck me that in the short span of the show(one evening in time), the S/H constellation was played out.

1. High - birthday part with neighbors.
2. Awakening - announcement of UFOs.
3. Unraveling - neighbors all begin attacking each other.
4. Crisis - the battering ram breaks down the door of the shelter.

These patterns are universal.

James50
Agreed the patterns are simply a rewash of all 4 patterns in Western cultural history:

4 Seasons - Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter
4 Elements - Earth, Fire, Air, Water
4 Humors - Sanguine, Melancholy, Phlegmatic, Choleric

We just keep renaming them.

And I conqur, fractal examination is interesting but it can be taken too far.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
I've added new links concerning the Child/Teen culture of the last Unraveling:

Gothic & Gothic Romance - Teens
Fantasy/Science Fiction/Fairy Tale/Mythology/Semi-gothic - Children

My favorite new link: Addams Family Values

From this link, one can see the seeds that would grow into the divide amongst the Gen Yers that exists today: One can tell who the future Ron Paul voters & future Obama voters are & why they are the way they are.

~Chas'88
Thought that was funny even if I didn't understand what was being said. Too bad this is subtitled in what appears to be Dutch. I think there was a translation below the vid though.

Don't worry. I don't expect people to provide subtitled vids on this site; I just won't comment on the youtube links unless I'm very sure I know what's it's all all about.

If it were a site for the deaf, I'd just be making a small request for a transcript.







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Quote Originally Posted by deafskeptic View Post
Thought that was funny even if I didn't understand what was being said. Too bad this is subtitled in what appears to be Dutch. I think there was a translation below the vid though
Full Transription:

Yuppie Pilgrim Girl (YPG): I am so glad that we invited the Chippewas for this holiday meal. Remember that these savages are our guests. We must not be surprised at any of their strange customs. After all, they've not had our advantages, such as fine schools, libraries full of books, shampoo.

(Yuppie parents faintly laugh)

(ENTER WEDNESDAY & other misfits/minorities dressed as Indians)

Wednesday Addams (W): How, I am Pocahantas, a Chippewa maiden.

Yuppie Father: An Indian.

Yuppie Mother: Enough said.

(Yuppie Father & Mother laugh)

Jewish Boy: And I am Running Bear, betrothed to Pocahantas, in the play.

Jewish Yuppie Mother: 20 grand for summer camp, he's mister woo-woo.

W: We have brought a special gift for this holiday feast.

(ENTER PUGSLY, dressed as a turkey)

Pugsly Addams: I am a turkey, kill me!

YPG: What a thoughtful gift! Why you are as civilized as we, except we wear shoes and have last names (Yuppie parents chuckle), welcome to our table, our new primative friends.

W: Thank you Sara Miller, you are the most beautiful person that I've ever seen. Your hair is the color of the sun, your skin is like fresh milk, and everyone loves you.

YPG: (falsely modest) Stop. Sit.

W: (blocking fellow "Indians") Wait.

YPG: What?

W: We cannot break bread with you.

YPG: (looking at the camp counselors/directors) Huh? Becky, what's going on?

Becky (female director): (whispering) Wednesday!

W: You have taken the land which is rightfully ours. Years from now my people will be forced to live in mobile homes on reservations. Your people will wear cardigans, and drink highballs. We will sell our bracelets by the road sides. You will play golf, and enjoy hot hors d'oeuvres. My people will have pain and degradation. Your people will have stick shifts. The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, 'Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller'

YPG: (to Gary, the male director) Gary, she's changing the words.

W: And for all of these reasons, I've decided to scalp you, and burn your village to the ground.

("Indians" perform a raid on the Village & set fire to it.)

Gary: Children, stop it, you are destroying my text!

(Yuppie parents start reacting, some standing up to object, others looking confused. YPG is brought to a stake.)

Yuppie Jewish Father: He's not a team player.
Yuppie Jewish Mother: He's a special child, but he needs friends.
Yuppie Jewish Father: He needs friends like this?

(Jewish Boy pulls a lever and dumps his parents & the row they're sitting in off the bleachers. YPG screams, but is gagged by an apple that Pugsly puts in her mouth. Indians shoot flaming arrows at Gary & Becky. Random Pilgrim girl is sent flying into the nearby lake. Wheelchair bound Indian ties up YPG. Gasoline is put on the logs that are at YPG's feet. Yuppie parents of YPG object, and are immediately pied in the face. Wednesday approaches YPG, lights a match, and smiles devilishly.)

CUT to later. Indians are sitting at the table, waiting to eat. Gary & Becky are over an open flame being BBQed. Wednesday & Jewish Boy are in a canoe on the lake, leaving the scene of the crime.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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I loved the Children's Zoo - I am a 67 x'er and although my parents weren't quite that bad, I have many memories about playing legos by myself in my room while my parents had some crazy argument downstairs. This may be telling: I actually watched the video with my 4 year old on my lap (I am a stay at home dad) - shows the difference between silents and gen x parents! I asked him if mom and dad argue like that and he said no. One logical problem with the episode though - the really bad parents wouldn't agree to both take the kid to the zoo!







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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Holy sh*t, that is AWESOME!
Yes, that really was awesome, Chas! Really, you did your homework. Thank you for making that post.
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Full Transription:

Yuppie Pilgrim Girl (YPG): I am so glad that we invited the Chippewas for this holiday meal. Remember that these savages are our guests. We must not be surprised at any of their strange customs. After all, they've not had our advantages, such as fine schools, libraries full of books, shampoo.

(Yuppie parents faintly laugh)

(ENTER WEDNESDAY & other misfits/minorities dressed as Indians)

Wednesday Addams (W): How, I am Pocahantas, a Chippewa maiden.

Yuppie Father: An Indian.

Yuppie Mother: Enough said.

(Yuppie Father & Mother laugh)

Jewish Boy: And I am Running Bear, betrothed to Pocahantas, in the play.

Jewish Yuppie Mother: 20 grand for summer camp, he's mister woo-woo.

W: We have brought a special gift for this holiday feast.

(ENTER PUGSLY, dressed as a turkey)

Pugsly Addams: I am a turkey, kill me!

YPG: What a thoughtful gift! Why you are as civilized as we, except we wear shoes and have last names (Yuppie parents chuckle), welcome to our table, our new primative friends.

W: Thank you Sara Miller, you are the most beautiful person that I've ever seen. Your hair is the color of the sun, your skin is like fresh milk, and everyone loves you.

YPG: (falsely modest) Stop. Sit.

W: (blocking fellow "Indians") Wait.

YPG: What?

W: We cannot break bread with you.

YPG: (looking at the camp counselors/directors) Huh? Becky, what's going on?

Becky (female director): (whispering) Wednesday!

W: You have taken the land which is rightfully ours. Years from now my people will be forced to live in mobile homes on reservations. Your people will wear cardigans, and drink highballs. We will sell our bracelets by the road sides. You will play golf, and enjoy hot hors d'oeuvres. My people will have pain and degradation. Your people will have stick shifts. The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, 'Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller'

YPG: (to Gary, the male director) Gary, she's changing the words.

W: And for all of these reasons, I've decided to scalp you, and burn your village to the ground.

("Indians" perform a raid on the Village & set fire to it.)

Gary: Children, stop it, you are destroying my text!

(Yuppie parents start reacting, some standing up to object, others looking confused. YPG is brought to a stake.)

Yuppie Jewish Father: He's not a team player.
Yuppie Jewish Mother: He's a special child, but he needs friends.
Yuppie Jewish Father: He needs friends like this?

(Jewish Boy pulls a lever and dumps his parents & the row they're sitting in off the bleachers. YPG screams, but is gagged by an apple that Pugsly puts in her mouth. Indians shoot flaming arrows at Gary & Becky. Random Pilgrim girl is sent flying into the nearby lake. Wheelchair bound Indian ties up YPG. Gasoline is put on the logs that are at YPG's feet. Yuppie parents of YPG object, and are immediately pied in the face. Wednesday approaches YPG, lights a match, and smiles devilishly.)

CUT to later. Indians are sitting at the table, waiting to eat. Gary & Becky are over an open flame being BBQed. Wednesday & Jewish Boy are in a canoe on the lake, leaving the scene of the crime.

~Chas'88
Thanks. Your transcript is much appreciated.







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
I've added new links concerning the Child/Teen culture of the last Unraveling:

Gothic & Gothic Romance - Teens
Fantasy/Science Fiction/Fairy Tale/Mythology/Semi-gothic - Children

My favorite new link: Addams Family Values

From this link, one can see the seeds that would grow into the divide amongst the Gen Yers that exists today: One can tell who the future Ron Paul voters & future Obama voters are & why they are the way they are.

~Chas'88
I like that video. I didn't actually watch the show though when it aired.

I usually think of the Goth culture as being mainly an Xer one. But you can definitely see its influences in Millie pop culture, particularly in today's werewolf/vampire/etc themes movies and television shows.

I think that Goth culture has morphed directly into Geek culture once the Millennials arrived on the scene in high school, from my own personal observations and experiences. Although Japanese culture and video/computer games were popular among Xers, these become dominant definitely by the time you get to the first Millennial cohorts.

In high school, I was a Quake player. We played hella deathmatch Quake over the school networks. Quake is a game made by and for Xers. Quake is a very dark and gory game filled with demons (as was Doom, which was its predecessor). A major transition happened (IMO) when Unreal Tournament was released (a game I still love). The game was not dark, although it did contain the infamous Gothic (and similar) levels. The game was even more gory than Quake, but I think that the developers intended it to be more humorous than dark. It contained themed levels of all kinds (pretty much all that matches what you state for kiddie 3T culture), and had a lot more multiplayer modes. Halo is a result of the total makeover of youth culture. I think that the Halo series is one of the most overrated, but it's wartime and ultra-futuristic theme speaks volumes. Besides first person shooters, there is the transition from Magic: The Gathering to Pokemon, from Goth to Lolita, etc.

One of the most fundamental changes (as expected) is the end of the worship of darkness that as the hallmark of Xer culture, whether it is grunge, Goth, gangsta rap, etc. Quake 3 was a total multiplayer experience, and was not nearly as dark as Quake 1. I expect that early this decade, the breakout will complete itself by completing the transition towards brightness and illumination, as opposed to darkness.

I think that film and television producers are slowly coming around to this reality. But the music industry, however, is not...well maybe except for Muse. Muse stands at the cutting edge of culture; they seem to sense that we are in a Fourth Turning. The banner song is Knights of Cydonia. The video seems to be a mixture of western, fantasy, and science fiction. The song's meaning "is to teach people to stand up for themselves and make their own destiny". And most of all, the song itself sounds very epic. The song is part of the album Black Holes and Revelations (2006), which Wikipedia says "has political and sci-fi undertones, with the lyrics covering topics as varied as political corruption, alien invasion, New World Order conspiracies as well as more conventional love songs." And then there is their 2009 album The Resistance, with the banner song The Uprising.

So while I always talk about how bad today's music is, there are a few exceptions with Muse being one of them. But I think that the concept can be taken further. For one thing, make the song even more epic. Listen to Dancing Mad (parts 1 and 2). Now THAT's epic. And instead of rock stars that worship darkness, the rock star is a hero fighting evil. So imagine the new rock (or rap) star in his/her song and video battling demons with his holy sword, or fighting against "the man" in a rock song themed off of a modern American Revolution. The theme for this genre would be an epic battle between the forces of good and evil. And then those who create this songs can become filthy rich by selling merchandise, and possibly even a movie, book/comic, or a video game based upon a popular song. I think that would fit in very well with a Fourth Turning mood.
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Quote Originally Posted by TJ-67 View Post
I loved the Children's Zoo - I am a 67 x'er and although my parents weren't quite that bad, I have many memories about playing legos by myself in my room while my parents had some crazy argument downstairs. This may be telling: I actually watched the video with my 4 year old on my lap (I am a stay at home dad) - shows the difference between silents and gen x parents! I asked him if mom and dad argue like that and he said no. One logical problem with the episode though - the really bad parents wouldn't agree to both take the kid to the zoo!
Glad you enjoyed it.

Yeah, that's the thing about the later Twilight Zone revivals, logic doesn't seem to work in them--that & no one ever asks why these things are happenning to them.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Reed
Yes, that really was awesome, Chas! Really, you did your homework. Thank you for making that post.
Your welcome & I have you to thank for inspiring me to make the post.

Quote Originally Posted by deafskeptic
Thanks. Your transcript is much appreciated.
You're welcome. If you ever need a transcript in the future, just ask.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Reed
I like that video. I didn't actually watch the show though when it aired.
The clip is from the second movie they made in 1993, not the TV show that aired on Fox Family (It's now ABC Family). Although I admit I watched reruns of the TV show.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Reed
I usually think of the Goth culture as being mainly an Xer one. But you can definitely see its influences in Millie pop culture, particularly in today's werewolf/vampire/etc themes movies and television shows.

I think that Goth culture has morphed directly into Geek culture once the Millennials arrived on the scene in high school, from my own personal observations and experiences. Although Japanese culture and video/computer games were popular among Xers, these become dominant definitely by the time you get to the first Millennial cohorts.
Quite agreed here. Although I will add that kids were targeted with semi-gothic shows. They weren't anywhere near the level of gothic that was aimed at Xers (like Sleepy Hallow, that Snow White remake, and that Little Red Riding Hood remake they made back in the 1990s). However I'd call it gothic-lite. Instead of the above, we got: Are You Afraid of the Dark? & read Goosebumps & Fear Street books. It was a toned down & more lighthearted version of what was aimed at Xers & more often ended somewhat happily--but not always. Also it wasn't a pure gothic-lite culture. It was more akin to the Twilight Zone for kids, where fantasy, folklore, myth, and science fiction were all scrambled & mixed together.

As for Japanese culture, it's interesting to see how it evolved from

Xers: Akira & Dragonball Z

Inbetween you had Miyosaki: Princess Mononoke & Kiki's Delivery Service

to Yer Millennials: Digimon & Pokemon & Inuyasha (something representing the non-kiddie stuff out there for Millies)

Often my Yer friends were introduced to Anime through Pokemon & Digimon and worked backwards to the Xer stuff & never left Xer beloved anime.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Reed
Besides first person shooters, there is the transition from Magic: The Gathering to Pokemon, from Goth to Lolita, etc.
The Pokemon trading card game never really caught on where I lived--in fact it sucked IMO. The only thing the cards were good for were for collecting.

For a little while I played Magic in high school. A few friends of mine & I would do it during lunch. I wasn't a big player, but I know how to play.

Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Reed
One of the most fundamental changes (as expected) is the end of the worship of darkness that as the hallmark of Xer culture, whether it is grunge, Goth, gangsta rap, etc. Quake 3 was a total multiplayer experience, and was not nearly as dark as Quake 1. I expect that early this decade, the breakout will complete itself by completing the transition towards brightness and illumination, as opposed to darkness.
Agreed. It wasn't so much that darkness ended for Yers--we got a good bit of it too--it's just that things were more likely to end happily & comedy was never too far in our gothic-lite TV shows and books. Often it went hand in hand with the darkness.

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I think that film and television producers are slowly coming around to this reality. But the music industry, however, is not...
Agreed. However I see the darkness to lightness as having already begun its change. I'll have to check out Muse.

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So imagine the new rock (or rap) star in his/her song and video battling demons with his holy sword, or fighting against "the man" in a rock song themed off of a modern American Revolution. The theme for this genre would be an epic battle between the forces of good and evil. And then those who create this songs can become filthy rich by selling merchandise, and possibly even a movie, book/comic, or a video game based upon a popular song. I think that would fit in very well with a Fourth Turning mood.
Hmm... I might have to steal this idea...

~Chas'88
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Yuppie Pilgrim Girl (YPG): I am so glad that we invited the Chippewas for this holiday meal. Remember that these savages are our guests. We must not be surprised at any of their strange customs. After all, they've not had our advantages, such as fine schools, libraries full of books, shampoo.

(Yuppie parents faintly laugh)

(ENTER WEDNESDAY & other misfits/minorities dressed as Indians)

Wednesday Addams (W): How, I am Pocahantas, a Chippewa maiden.

Yuppie Father: An Indian.

Yuppie Mother: Enough said.

(Yuppie Father & Mother laugh)

Jewish Boy: And I am Running Bear, betrothed to Pocahantas, in the play.

Jewish Yuppie Mother: 20 grand for summer camp, he's mister woo-woo.

W: We have brought a special gift for this holiday feast.

(ENTER PUGSLY, dressed as a turkey)

Pugsly Addams: I am a turkey, kill me!

YPG: What a thoughtful gift! Why you are as civilized as we, except we wear shoes and have last names (Yuppie parents chuckle), welcome to our table, our new primative friends.

W: Thank you Sara Miller, you are the most beautiful person that I've ever seen. Your hair is the color of the sun, your skin is like fresh milk, and everyone loves you.

YPG: (falsely modest) Stop. Sit.

W: (blocking fellow "Indians") Wait.

YPG: What?

W: We cannot break bread with you.

YPG: (looking at the camp counselors/directors) Huh? Becky, what's going on?

Becky (female director): (whispering) Wednesday!

W: You have taken the land which is rightfully ours. Years from now my people will be forced to live in mobile homes on reservations. Your people will wear cardigans, and drink highballs. We will sell our bracelets by the road sides. You will play golf, and enjoy hot hors d'oeuvres. My people will have pain and degradation. Your people will have stick shifts. The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, 'Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller'

YPG: (to Gary, the male director) Gary, she's changing the words.

W: And for all of these reasons, I've decided to scalp you, and burn your village to the ground.

("Indians" perform a raid on the Village & set fire to it.)

Gary: Children, stop it, you are destroying my text!

(Yuppie parents start reacting, some standing up to object, others looking confused. YPG is brought to a stake.)

Yuppie Jewish Father: He's not a team player.
Yuppie Jewish Mother: He's a special child, but he needs friends.
Yuppie Jewish Father: He needs friends like this?

(Jewish Boy pulls a lever and dumps his parents & the row they're sitting in off the bleachers. YPG screams, but is gagged by an apple that Pugsly puts in her mouth. Indians shoot flaming arrows at Gary & Becky. Random Pilgrim girl is sent flying into the nearby lake. Wheelchair bound Indian ties up YPG. Gasoline is put on the logs that are at YPG's feet. Yuppie parents of YPG object, and are immediately pied in the face. Wednesday approaches YPG, lights a match, and smiles devilishly.)

CUT to later. Indians are sitting at the table, waiting to eat. Gary & Becky are over an open flame being BBQed. Wednesday & Jewish Boy are in a canoe on the lake, leaving the scene of the crime.

~Chas'88
You know, this vid and transcript has struck a raw nerve in me.. and I feel like ranting about all the yuppie parents that I met during my days at Model Secondary School for the Deaf who were unhappy with their deaf kids because they didn't have good speech and didn't live up to their exepections.. and a host of other things.







Post#67 at 03-11-2010 03:13 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by deafskeptic View Post
You know, this vid and transcript has struck a raw nerve in me.. and I feel like ranting about all the yuppie parents that I met during my days at Model Secondary School for the Deaf who were unhappy with their deaf kids because they didn't have good speech and didn't live up to their exepections.. and a host of other things.
I completely understand. I ran into my own share of Yuppie parents (I believe my mother wanted to be one but never could become one due to our situation as a family). They were very condescending and always wanting everything to be perfect--especially their kids. And if not everyone fit in, we were told to conform to the Yuppie definition of childhood perfection, period. I once has a Joneser semi-Yuppie mother observe that I didn't fit in at a Boy Scout meeting. She approached her son about why that was so, and then approached me (a sixth grader) & told me that I had to buy these special types of clothes (courderoy pants called Pipes were popular at the time--and never again), and start acting like her son & his friends did if I wanted to be included. I think you can tell I didn't do any of those things & what I wished to do to that infernal Joneser--*breaks off into mumbled death threats*.

But anyway, yeah, that's why early Millennials are the way they are. Because the majority of them lived up to the Yuppie definition of perfection, while those who didn't still felt more of a Nomad feel of being the oddballs (one guess as to which group I belonged to).

Yuppie dream of perfection for a boy:

Captain of a sports team (preferably Football, Basketball, or Baseball; but other sports are acceptable) and is athletically "developed"
Intelligent, with good grades
Wears designer clothing (Abercrombie & Fitch, American Eagle, etc.)
Has a "bro" attitude -- i.e. a future Fraternity brother
Is "nice" to other people, especially those who are less fortunate than they are
Is Prom King/Homecoming King

Yuppie dream of perfection for a girl:

Captain of the Cheerleading Squad/Homecoming Queen/Prom Queen
Intelligent, with good grades
Beautiful & Blonde with highlights
Wears designer clothing (Abercrombie, American Eagle, etc.)
Has a "supercute" attitude - i.e. girly, but still "empowered" & a future Sorority sister
Is "nice" to other people, especially to those who are less fortunate than they are: (as exampled in the above transcript: Why you are as civilized as us, except we wear shoes & have last names.)

All of them, except for the intelligence are very superfiscial definitions of perfection. As a kid, I'd have loved to have done what Wednesday & Pugsly do in that link to those @!&$#(#$*&@ Yuppies.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
I completely understand. I ran into my own share of Yuppie parents (I believe my mother wanted to be one but never could become one due to our situation as a family). They were very condescending and always wanting everything to be perfect--especially their kids. And if not everyone fit in, we were told to conform to the Yuppie definition of childhood perfection, period. I once has a Joneser semi-Yuppie mother observe that I didn't fit in at a Boy Scout meeting. She approached her son about why that was so, and then approached me (a sixth grader) & told me that I had to buy these special types of clothes (courderoy pants called Pipes were popular at the time--and never again), and start acting like her son & his friends did if I wanted to be included. I think you can tell I didn't do any of those things & what I wished to do to that infernal Joneser--*breaks off into mumbled death threats*.

But anyway, yeah, that's why early Millennials are the way they are. Because the majority of them lived up to the Yuppie definition of perfection, while those who didn't still felt more of a Nomad feel of being the oddballs (one guess as to which group I belonged to).

Yuppie dream of perfection for a boy:

Captain of a sports team (preferably Football, Basketball, or Baseball; but other sports are acceptable) and is athletically "developed"
Intelligent, with good grades
Wears designer clothing (Abercrombie & Fitch, American Eagle, etc.)
Has a "bro" attitude -- i.e. a future Fraternity brother
Is "nice" to other people, especially those who are less fortunate than they are
Is Prom King/Homecoming King

Yuppie dream of perfection for a girl:

Captain of the Cheerleading Squad/Homecoming Queen/Prom Queen
Intelligent, with good grades
Beautiful & Blonde with highlights
Wears designer clothing (Abercrombie, American Eagle, etc.)
Has a "supercute" attitude - i.e. girly, but still "empowered" & a future Sorority sister
Is "nice" to other people, especially to those who are less fortunate than they are: (as exampled in the above transcript: Why you are as civilized as us, except we wear shoes & have last names.)

All of them, except for the intelligence are very superfiscial definitions of perfection. As a kid, I'd have loved to have done what Wednesday & Pugsly do in that link to those @!&$#(#$*&@ Yuppies.

~Chas'88
LOL! Sometimes I think my parents were proto-yuppies but if I had been in your shoes, I'd be muttering death threats under my breath too if I had to face someone like that jonser mom.







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Quote Originally Posted by deafskeptic View Post
You know, this vid and transcript has struck a raw nerve in me.. and I feel like ranting about all the yuppie parents that I met during my days at Model Secondary School for the Deaf who were unhappy with their deaf kids because they didn't have good speech and didn't live up to their exepections.. and a host of other things.
Oh, do you want to get me started about the yuppie parents of autistic kids who try the most moronic "treatments" to try and "cure" their kids?
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
But anyway, yeah, that's why early Millennials are the way they are. Because the majority of them lived up to the Yuppie definition of perfection, while those who didn't still felt more of a Nomad feel of being the oddballs (one guess as to which group I belonged to).
Well, that definitely explains the Nomad side of my character...
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Added another short link to the 1984-1988 Unraveling High, showing the transition between parental styles.

Everybody loves The Uncle Devil Show!

I've also been adding some links which look at Children's culture at the turn of the century so the Lost/Contemptible childhood. In fact I'd say that the Contemptible/Lost had the best choices in terms of Childhood Literature:

J.M. Barrie
E. Nesbit
F. Hodgeson Burnett

That's just to name a few. I'd also venture to say that these stories were around for the fledgling Interbellum GIs to read & enjoy as well.

~Chas'88
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The micro-turning analysis is impressive, and there is certainly a strong impression of something being there. The issue I have with it is the lack of explanation, with the assumption of a four-part breakdown at this level. For the four main turnings, the described reason for it being a four-part cycle is the ratio of childhood (~20 years) to a full life (~80 years). What ratio (or other process/method) results in there being an additional four-part breakdown within each Turning?

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Quote Originally Posted by RanxeroxVox View Post
The micro-turning analysis is impressive, and there is certainly a strong impression of something being there. The issue I have with it is the lack of explanation, with the assumption of a four-part breakdown at this level. For the four main turnings, the described reason for it being a four-part cycle is the ratio of childhood (~20 years) to a full life (~80 years). What ratio (or other process/method) results in there being an additional four-part breakdown within each Turning?

RV

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Thanks for the question, it's got me thinking again, which is always a good thing. Unfortunately I have to get to bed since I have a mid-term tomorrow, but I'll definitely get back to your question sometime tomorrow.

~Chas'88
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Hey Chas, I have another handy research tool for you: C-Span Puts Full Archives on the Web







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Quote Originally Posted by Xer H View Post
Hey Chas, I have another handy research tool for you: C-Span Puts Full Archives on the Web
Thank you.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
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