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Post#76 at 03-16-2010 05:47 PM by deafskeptic [at joined Feb 2007 #posts 121]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Oh, do you want to get me started about the yuppie parents of autistic kids who try the most moronic "treatments" to try and "cure" their kids?
Only if you want me to rail - er rant about parents who want cure for the deaf.. Most of those in the Deaf population don't think they're disabled and Deaf Ed.
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Only if you want me to rail - er rant about parents who want cure for the deaf.. Most of those in the Deaf population don't think they're disabled and Deaf Ed.
I have tons of things that I could say regarding Deaf Ed.







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Okay, here's the media post again, since I've been adding so much to it, I thought I'd re-post it.

Awakening-crisis: 1901 – 1907:



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Overall trends of this Unraveling:

The growth and development of Automobiles, Radio, & Electricity.
Faith & distrust of new technologies--"Unsinkable Ships"
Widening gap between social classes.
Income Tax & Prohibition.
Breakdown of Gender Roles - Flappers & Nancy Boys.
The growth of cities and urban areas.




Unraveling-high: 1907 – 1912:


  • Titanic - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qakVJW8FYc
  • Chitty Chitty Bang Bang - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTQyKV0K3Nc (sure its looking at England--but at this time England was the global hegemon; but it generally displays the positive aspects associated with the wonder and awe surrounding "the motorcar" & the newly developed and dangerous racing culture that was developing very accurately IMO. Also it brings a question about how children should be raised as Jemima & Jeremy seem to me to be very typical British Contemptibles or the equivalent to Losts)
  • The Secret Garden - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMahhudZvo (book was published in 1910 by a British-American author; further shows life for the little Contemptibles aka Losts--left to their own devices)
  • A Little Princess - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_zW4QdGDC8 (book by the same authoress as The Secret Garden, this one looks more at American children, particularly the difference between the rich Lost & the poor Lost)
  • Five Children and It - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veq-jtyg-F0 (again, showing how the Contemptibles & therefore the Lost, occupied themselves while their parents were busy doing other things)

I have to say, the Contemptibles & the Losts really had a lot of great Children's Literature written about them.





Unraveling-awakening: 1912 – 1917:

Unraveling-unraveling: 1917 – 1925:


Unraveling-crisis: 1925 – 1929:



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Crisis-high: 1929 – 1933:



Crisis-awakening: 1933 – 1938:



Crisis-unraveling: 1938 – 1941:







Crisis-crisis: 1941 – 1946:



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High-high: 1946 – 1950:




  • Isn’t It Kinda Fun – State Fair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0As5d0hdmbA (despite its 1945 release, the entire movie has a very post-Crisis feel to it, looking forward to the society that’s being set up & critiquing it a little too);


  • The Chase – Brigadoon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPGv3yr3Lpk (musical: 1949, movie 1954 – expresses the postwar feelings of GIs and allegorically criticizes & celebrates the return to “simpler” & older values & morals.)

High-awakening: 1950 – 1955:





High-unraveling: 1955 – 1959:





High-crisis: 1959 – 1963/4:




  • Dr. Strangelove - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU ;
  • Splish, Splash - Bobby Darin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMCsc4Iqvqc
  • Who Put the Bomp - Barry Mann - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIP9Dwzdt3g (With Splish, Splash & Who put the Bomp, I'm demonstrating what happened to Rock 'n' Roll after its major creative artists all stopped being influential in 1959--due to various scandals such as Payola. Rock 'n' Roll was taken over by the Record Industry who took Rock 'n' Roll as it was, "clean it up", made MANY references to songs/styles from the previous golden period that had just ended, they produced easily forgettable songs like a factory, and tried to maintain profits on the genre. This style of Rock 'n' Roll is often called Bubblegum Rock or Bubblegum Pop.)


  • The Shelter – The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHIxR-D4Evo ;
  • It's a Good Life - The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfGWvexg90w ; This episode starts looking at Boomer kids in a negative light, depicting them lost in a world of their own making & having ideas that they can get whatever they want because they want it, warning of the authoritarian tendencies being planted in them. It also depicts the inability of Silent parents to cope with having to raise a kid like a GI would--"indulgently". It shows that the Silents haven't formed their own parenting influence and are merely copying the GIs at the moment. Also a nice introduction of the Aunt Amy shows that the Interbellums/Losts are starting to age and have dementia. That they show signs of being more a hindrance than a help in their elder years.



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Overall themes of this Awakening:

Sexual Revolution--Free Love & Swingers, Civil Rights Movement--Racial Equality & Racial Pride, Jesus Movement, Divorce, Growing influence of Corporations, Feminism--Women's Liberation, Intensification of Cold War, enlightenment through self-satisfying pleasure.

Awakening-high: 1963/4 – 1967:






Awakening-awakening: 1967 – 1973:







Awakening-unraveling: 1973 – 1978:











Awakening-crisis: 1978 – 1984:








  • The Hunt for the Red October - http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=S6x61YkZX54&v=3C2tE7vjdHk ; (the book is from 1984, the movie is from 1990; shows how far the Cold War paranoia went, with the author fictionally portraying the nightmarish technology that the GOP were saying the USSR was accomplishing, but in actuality they weren't)




  • Poltergeist - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szoTggTxygY ; (In both ET & Poltergeist I’m looking at the parents’ behaviors - In E.T. a divorced single working mom who is clueless about E.T.'s presence in her home & what her kids do; In Poltergeist: pot smoking parents who are more into satisfying themselves, and often do things that nowadays parents would be heavily critized for - letting Carol Anne watch a violent war movie being one example)

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Overall themes of this Unraveling:

The growth of the personal computer & the Internet, End of the Cold War, a growing Gothic & a combination of fairy tale/science fiction/mythology/fantasy culture oriented towards teens & children, Era of Neo Conservatism, Terrorism, Yuppie & the Upwardly Mobile culture, gated communities, rise of the Geek.

Unraveling-high: 1984 – 1988:

Classic John Hughes movies











Other










  • Children’s Zoo – The Twilight Zone (1985 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBe3zS1H3A8 (starts around 1:19; it’s about the transition in parenting styles from self-absorbed, condescending, & argumentative parents to caring, sincere, & nurturing parents)
  • The Uncle Devil Show - The Twilight Zone (1985 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIMzH9yuywI (it's also about the transition in parenting styles, ironically funny its message is that parents should pay more attention to their kids & monitor what they watch on television: "And remember kids, have it the way I do, with plenty of sweets and candy bars in between meals.")

Unraveling-awakening: 1988 – 1995:





  • Goodbye Lenin! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kehu8QBHCCk ; (made: 2003, set in: 1989-1990: hilarious German comedy about the reunification of Germany--a very pro DDR mother has a stroke after seeing her son protesting amongst the group of people that would eventually topple the wall; she wakes up after the fall of communism and the son is told by the doctors not to give her any more shocks to her system--or she'll have another stroke and die. So her son develops this elaborate ruse to keep her in the dark about the fall of communism. This is the scene where the mother sneaks out of the house and sees for the first time East & West Germany culturally reunifying. I'm using this to point to the elevated euphoric emotions that would come to dominate this time period & drive the U-a in America and showing the root of the cause being the end of the Cold War.)
  • Addams Family Values - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccj2BH25c0I (Perfect example of the divide amongst Gen Yers--from this you can tell who the future Ron Paul voters & future Obama voters will be & also an explanation of why this is so; parodies Yuppie & Upwardly Mobile culture as well)


  • Hocus Pocus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDidHzwYu3E (made in 1998, set in 1993, shows the stereotyped relationship between Nintendo Xer teens & Gen Yer younger siblings; also depicts that the kids are left on their own while parents are off partying in a self-gratifying world of pleasure that was the 1990s; also depicts the fantasy market that was aimed at children) ;

Unraveling-unraveling: 1995 – 2000:



Unraveling-crisis: 2000 – 2005:





















~Chas'88
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Post#79 at 03-16-2010 09:04 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by deafskeptic View Post
Only if you want me to rail - er rant about parents who want cure for the deaf.. Most of those in the Deaf population don't think they're disabled and Deaf Ed.
I view the Deaf Rights movement as an inspiration for the Autistic Rights movement.
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Post#80 at 03-16-2010 11:00 PM by deafskeptic [at joined Feb 2007 #posts 121]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I view the Deaf Rights movement as an inspiration for the Autistic Rights movement.
So I heard.

I know two deaf who are also austistic - actually I should say deaf-blind in both cases. I notice that those hearing folks with disabilies have been more sympathetic toward how the Deaf view themselves than the mainstream. I'm not an aspie or austistic myself but I could be considered a "cousin" cuz of my ADD.







Post#81 at 03-17-2010 10:08 AM by Earl and Mooch [at Delaware - we pave paradise and put up parking lots joined Sep 2002 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by deafskeptic View Post
So I heard.

I know two deaf who are also austistic - actually I should say deaf-blind in both cases. I notice that those hearing folks with disabilies have been more sympathetic toward how the Deaf view themselves than the mainstream. I'm not an aspie or austistic myself but I could be considered a "cousin" cuz of my ADD.
What about those who can speak but won't, or read lips but won't, or get implants but won't, and feel entitled to have everything interpreted for them?
"My generation, we were the generation that was going to change the world: somehow we were going to make it a little less lonely, a little less hungry, a little more just place. But it seems that when that promise slipped through our hands we didn´t replace it with nothing but lost faith."

Bruce Springsteen, 1987
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Post#82 at 03-17-2010 01:00 PM by deafskeptic [at joined Feb 2007 #posts 121]
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Quote Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch View Post
What about those who can speak but won't, or read lips but won't, or get implants but won't, and feel entitled to have everything interpreted for them?
That's fine with me.

Deaf are entitled to an education and if they can't understand what's going on, they're not getting one. period.


Implants won't help all the deaf - because not all deafness can be treated the same way. If you get your cochlea implanted, you risk losing a lot of your natural hearing that you have left. There's a reason why it's currently limited to those with a severe to profound deafness and only those with a damaged cochlea.

Second, cochlea implants aren't a cure for deafness. I had to relearn many sounds because things sounded different with my implant. Even though I can hear at near normal range with mine, I do not hear anything like a person with normal hearing. I have poor auditory memory so I remember things much better in sign language. I can hear some sounds but not recognize them. Two, the auditory part of my brain has atrophied to an extent so just having normal hearing won't help.

It's like a blind man learning how to see. Even with normal sight, he will not see things the same way the sighted see things.

Lipreading is not very effective in anything that's a less than an ideal situation. For example, a teacher may be facing the blackboard. I can't lipread the back of their heads. Or the speaker is covering their mouths. Even my implant can't cope with people speaking all at once. Lipreading is an exhausting business and I used to come home with my face aching from lipreading all day. You'd be surprised at how many people get mad at me when I have to ask them to repeat.

Many deaf with good speech don't speak because it creates more communication problems for them than it solves. It sounds paradoxical but it happens. It certainly has happened to me. People will wrongly assume that those deaf's hearing is normal and behave like they can hear normally.
If I'm in a hurry and in a room full of strangers, I'll pretend I can't speak because it's much easier to convince people that I'm deaf then if I open my mouth.

And yes, they will need a sign language interpreter even if they won't get implants or speak when they could. Education comes first, imo.







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So someone with 20/200 vision should have the right to refuse to wear glasses, and the rest of us on the road should have to accommodate him when he's behind the wheel?

At least you aren't saying deaf parents are entitled to have deaf children.
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Quote Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch View Post
So someone with 20/200 vision should have the right to refuse to wear glasses, and the rest of us on the road should have to accommodate him when he's behind the wheel?
To most thinking people, there's a huge difference between having an interpreter present at speeches and allowing someone to drive recklessly.

Really, what do you have against helping people with a disability?







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Quote Originally Posted by Xer H View Post
To most thinking people, there's a huge difference between having an interpreter present at speeches and allowing someone to drive recklessly.

Really, what do you have against helping people with a disability?
Exactly. Most blind can't be helped with glasses or corrective surgery. They may tell others that they are low vision because people will think if you can see at all, you're not blind at all.

Just as I tell strangers that I'm a bit hard of hearing. It will become apparent to them that my loss is in the profound range and I'm really deaf when my cochlear batteries go dead.

I remember hearing about some blind guy who went driving drunk. He had a friend who was as drunk as he was helping him to drive. I think they deserved the punishment they got. BTW, the blind drunk driver lost his sight when a drunk driver crashed into his family's car when he was little.

Nothing wrong with helping the disabled but I don't condone reckless behavior.







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I added more links spanning the High-unraveling: Golden Age of Rock 'n' Roll - to the Awakening-high; all of them concerning the development of Rock 'n' Roll & the changes that occurred to it from:

High-unraveling (Golden Oldies) - Jailhouse Rock by Elvis Presley - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpzV_0l5ILI

High-crisis (Bubblegum Pop) - Who put the Bomp (in the Bomp Bomp Bomp) by Barry Mann - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIP9Dwzdt3g

Awakening-high (Folk Rock) - I dig Rock and Roll Music by Peter, Paul, and Mary - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrXXx9706tc (It's a parody of the way the music industry was at the time, but it covers quite well what Rock 'n' Roll had developed into by this point.)

If anything this development makes sense in the mini-turnings. In larger turnings we notice that during Unravelings music/entertainment has an "edge" to it. During a Crisis music/entertainment has a "cleaner" twist to it. And that during a High a standard is enforced, and since the overall Turning is an Awakening, it's a revolutionary spiritual standard that overthrows the existing standard and establishes itself.

I also added all the focus on juvenile delinquents that came with the final wave of the Silent in their teenage years during the High-unraveling. Gives them quite an echo-Nomad feel. Perhaps you could even say that the late Silents who came of age during the High-unraveling were Silent-nomads, however that might be taking fractional look at history/generations too far.

In contrast the War Babies, who came of age during the High-crisis, had the good-kid clean image that adults wanted their kids to emulate. Okay, this might get me into looking at fractional generations... at another time of course, but if someone wants to pick up this train of thought and run with it, be my guest.

I also added a link that connects you to Linda Goodman's Sun Signs book, which is often credited as being a major proponent in getting the New Age beliefs started. Interestingly enough Linda Goodman was a 1925 GI/Silent "Greatest" cusper (1922 - 1927), which lends credence to my claim that the Greatest cuspers during the Awakening trended more to the Silent side of things rather than the GI side.

Also, Vox, I haven't forgotten your question, but this post as well as several other things have gotten me to rethinking the answer I was going to give you.

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Hmmm, fractional generations, that would make me a Prophet-Civic, which fits.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Hmmm, fractional generations, that would make me a Prophet-Civic, which fits.
Not necessarially. It depends upon when you define that you came of age. From your birth year you would've come of age in 2004, which was an Unraveling-crisis; making you a Civic-civic. I came of age immediately afterwards so I'd be thrown in the same category. The core Millies who are coming of age right about now (like Rose) would be Civic-artists. The Civic-prophets wouldn't come of age until we get into the Crisis-awakening in a few years. This would make the War Baby cuspers the first part of the Baby Boom Generation, which it contains, but not completely IMO.

Again this is just a theoretical look (nothing I'm formulating concretely, yet), feel free to debate the idea.

A Larger Generation therefore would start coming of age with a mini-civic generation in the mini-Crisis and the final wave would be a mini-nomad generation coming of age in the mini-Unraveling. The complete opposite of how we currently order Generations (Prophet centered).

I'm not completely convinced of the idea myself, but I'm willing to share, explore, and debate it with others to see if there's any validity to the thinking.

Another thought which I just realized:

It's always the early part of a generation that really makes a dramatic effect on politics:

Interbellum (early GIs): Voted FDR & pressed for the New Deal, McCarthy
Greatest (early Silents): Fought in WWII, supported McCarthyism & are still in Congress
War Babies (early Boomers): Voted JFK & pressed for Civil Rights
Busters (early Xers): Are wrenching the Tea Party away from the Republicans & formulating the Coffee Party
Yers (early Millies): Voted Obama/Ron Paul & formed moveon.org

This would turn my cuspers into full blown members of the following generation (and make it that the early Silents were the ones who were the cannon fodder who fought in WWII! ) but I think you can get what I'm seeing at least initially. That's not to say that other parts of a generation aren't political or don't leave an influence, but it seems to be the early part of a generation is the most politically active. And it isn't like there's just one-side to them, they seem to have elements of both red & blue within them.

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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Not necessarially. It depends upon when you define that you came of age. From your birth year you would've come of age in 2004, which was an Unraveling-crisis; making you a Civic-civic. I came of age immediately afterwards so I'd be thrown in the same category. The core Millies who are coming of age right about now (like Rose) would be Civic-artists. The Civic-prophets wouldn't come of age until we get into the Crisis-awakening in a few years. This would make the War Baby cuspers the first part of the Baby Boom Generation, which it contains, but not completely IMO.

Again this is just a theoretical look (nothing I'm formulating concretely, yet), feel free to debate the idea.

A Larger Generation therefore would start coming of age with a mini-civic generation in the mini-Crisis and the final wave would be a mini-nomad generation coming of age in the mini-Unraveling. The complete opposite of how we currently order Generations (Prophet centered).

I'm not completely convinced of the idea myself, but I'm willing to share, explore, and debate it with others to see if there's any validity to the thinking.

Another thought which I just realized:

It's always the early part of a generation that really makes a dramatic effect on politics:

Interbellum (early GIs): Voted FDR & pressed for the New Deal, McCarthy
Greatest (early Silents): Fought in WWII, supported McCarthyism & are still in Congress
War Babies (early Boomers): Voted JFK & pressed for Civil Rights
Busters (early Xers): Are wrenching the Tea Party away from the Republicans & formulating the Coffee Party
Yers (early Millies): Voted Obama/Ron Paul & formed moveon.org

This would turn my cuspers into full blown members of the following generation (and make it that the early Silents were the ones who were the cannon fodder who fought in WWII! ) but I think you can get what I'm seeing at least initially. That's not to say that other parts of a generation aren't political or don't leave an influence, but it seems to be the early part of a generation is the most politically active. And it isn't like there's just one-side to them, they seem to have elements of both red & blue within them.

~Chas'88
Hmm, the fractional generations thing is interesting, since I turned 18 in late 08 that would make me a civic artist ? I've always felt like 1990 is a transitional year, we aren't the oldest people in the generation, yet we aren't the ones who are getting the main attention of the media right now, its the ones born later into the 1990s that are.







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Quote Originally Posted by collegeguy90 View Post
Hmm, the fractional generations thing is interesting, since I turned 18 in late 08 that would make me a civic artist ? I've always felt like 1990 is a transitional year, we aren't the oldest people in the generation, yet we aren't the ones who are getting the main attention of the media right now, its the ones born later into the 1990s that are.
I'd add 1989ers as well, at least from my experience. Not to put you guys down or anything, but I've noticed that 1989ers & on have this kind of dull "porcelain doll" kinda look to them in their eyes, and they tend to be more conforming than Millies born earlier. Now, I'm not exactly putting you guys down, I'm just telling you what I've observed.

The following is speculative and purely theoretical:

Judging from the posters on this board I'd classify things like this:

Millennials (coming of age 18) Year Range: 2000 - ???

1982 - 1988 - Civic-civic - Mary Kate 1982, Chas'88, Odin (1986), Wes'84, Mr. Reed (1982)
1989 - 1993 - Civic-artist - Rose1992, Matt1989, collegeguy90
1994 - ??? - Civic-prophet - General Mung Beans (1996)
??? - ??? - Civic-nomad - n/a

GIs (coming of age 21): 1925 - 1941: Possible range of GIs coming of age

1904 - 1908 - Civic-civic - LBJ, McCarthy, Lillian Hellman
1908 - 1912 - Civic-artist - Leonard Bernstein
1912 - 1917 - Civic-prophet - Jackson Pollock
1917 - 1920 - Civic-nomad - J.D. Salinger, Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie

The change between 21 for GIs & 18 for Millies occurred due to the lowering of voting age & the focus on graduation from high school.

1901 - 1904 would be added to the Nomad-nomads - Louis Armstrong (makes sense)
1920 - 1924 would be added to the Artist-civics - Sammy Davis Jr, Rod Serling (makes sense)

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That's interesting, I have, in fact, noticed a little "break point" around the 1988 and 1989 birth-years.
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Awakening-crisis: 1901 – 1907:

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Overall trends of this Unraveling:

The growth and development of Automobiles, Radio, & Electricity.
Faith & distrust of new technologies--"Unsinkable Ships"
Widening gap between social classes.
Income Tax & Prohibition.
Breakdown of Gender Roles - Flappers & Nancy Boys.
The growth of cities and urban areas.


Unraveling-high: 1907 – 1912:



I have to say, the Contemptibles & the Losts really had a lot of great Children's Literature written about them.


Unraveling-awakening: 1912 – 1917:
  • The Music Man – Ya Got Trouble - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI
  • Pollyanna - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dge1E...eature=related - (novel published: 1913; it depicts Lost/GI aka Interbellum cuspers. Comparing the Interbellum Pollyanna here to previous children's lit. characters she's the perfect child that all the adults want to protect and nurture, other such children would make appearances at this time as well: The Bobsey Twins. They lack the mischievousness of earlier Nomad characters)

Unraveling-unraveling: 1917 – 1925:


Unraveling-crisis: 1925 – 1929:



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Crisis-high: 1929 – 1933:



Crisis-awakening: 1933 – 1938:





Crisis-unraveling: 1938 – 1941:







Crisis-crisis: 1941 – 1946:






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High-high: 1946 – 1950:




  • Isn’t It Kinda Fun – State Fair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0As5d0hdmbA (despite its 1945 release, the entire movie has a very post-Crisis feel to it, looking forward to the society that’s being set up & critiquing it a little too);



High-awakening: 1950 – 1955:





High-unraveling: 1955 – 1959:





High-crisis: 1959 – 1963/4:



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Overall themes of this Awakening:

Sexual Revolution--Free Love & Swingers, Civil Rights Movement--Racial Equality & Racial Pride, Jesus Movement, Divorce, Growing influence of Corporations, Feminism--Women's Liberation, Intensification of Cold War, enlightenment through self-satisfying pleasure.

Awakening-high: 1963/4 – 1967:






Awakening-awakening: 1967 – 1973:







Awakening-unraveling: 1973 – 1978:











Awakening-crisis: 1978 – 1984:








  • The Hunt for the Red October - http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=S6x61YkZX54&v=3C2tE7vjdHk ; (the book is from 1984, the movie is from 1990; shows how far the Cold War paranoia went, with the author fictionally portraying the nightmarish technology that the GOP were saying the USSR was accomplishing, but in actuality they weren't)





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Overall themes of this Unraveling:

The growth of the personal computer & the Internet, End of the Cold War, a growing Gothic & a combination of fairy tale/science fiction/mythology/fantasy culture oriented towards teens & children, Era of Neo Conservatism, Terrorism, Yuppie & the Upwardly Mobile culture, gated communities, rise of the Geek.

Unraveling-high: 1984 – 1988:

Classic John Hughes movies











Other










  • Children’s Zoo – The Twilight Zone (1985 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBe3zS1H3A8 (starts around 1:19; it’s about the transition in parenting styles from self-absorbed, condescending, & argumentative parents to caring, sincere, & nurturing parents)
  • The Uncle Devil Show - The Twilight Zone (1985 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIMzH9yuywI (it's also about the transition in parenting styles, ironically funny its message is that parents should pay more attention to their kids & monitor what they watch on television: "And remember kids, have it the way I do, with plenty of sweets and candy bars in between meals.")

Unraveling-awakening: 1988 – 1995:





  • Goodbye Lenin! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kehu8QBHCCk ; (made: 2003, set in: 1989-1990: hilarious German comedy about the reunification of Germany--a very pro DDR mother has a stroke after seeing her son protesting amongst the group of people that would eventually topple the wall; she wakes up after the fall of communism and the son is told by the doctors not to give her any more shocks to her system--or she'll have another stroke and die. So her son develops this elaborate ruse to keep her in the dark about the fall of communism. This is the scene where the mother sneaks out of the house and sees for the first time East & West Germany culturally reunifying. I'm using this to point to the elevated euphoric emotions that would come to dominate this time period & drive the U-a in America and showing the root of the cause being the end of the Cold War.)
  • Addams Family Values - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccj2BH25c0I (Perfect example of the divide amongst Gen Yers--from this you can tell who the future Ron Paul voters & future Obama voters will be & also an explanation of why this is so; parodies Yuppie & Upwardly Mobile culture as well)


  • Hocus Pocus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDidHzwYu3E (made in 1998, set in 1993, shows the stereotyped relationship between Nintendo Xer teens & Gen Yer younger siblings; also depicts that the kids are left on their own while parents are off partying in a self-gratifying world of pleasure that was the 1990s; also depicts the fantasy market that was aimed at children) ;
  • Are You Afraid of the Dark? - The Tale of the Full Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Rq7FyIN1Y ; (Famous Nickelodeon SNICK program--SNICK was a two hour primetime block that started at 8:00 and went until 10:00. SNICK ran from 1992 - 2004, and its shows often are fond childhood nostalgia memories for Gen Y Millennials. This is one of the few comedic gothic-lite episodes; the episode's stylized manner of storytelling reminds me of the several children's books published for Gen Y Millennials)
  • Are You Afraid of the Dark? - The Tale of Watcher's Woods - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5Zg...eature=channel (A more typical AYAOTD? episode)

Unraveling-unraveling: 1995 – 2000:



Unraveling-crisis: 2000 – 2005:





















~Chas'88
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Post#93 at 03-22-2010 06:02 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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In the last update of the Media Post I've added links that'll be more familiar to our Nomad Gen Xers childhoods & possibly our Joneser friends as well:

I traced the evolution of Hanna-Barbera Cartoons.

High-crisis
The Flintstones - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PPf3aaZmUw ;
The Jetsons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg1F2VyMjVM ;

Awakening-high
Johnny Quest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT0rzDGJ6vc ;
Space Ghost - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6uXE...om=PL&index=36 ;

Awakening-awakening
Scooby Doo, Where are you? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY ;
Josie and the Pussycats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH_bNu6RudU ;
The Fantastic Four - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoBiL4bEFy0 ;

Awakening-unraveling
Awakening-crisis
Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzkLSUsWuhg ;
The Smurfs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8kTcKFnAMU ;

Enjoy the childhood nostalgia... or not if you prefer.

~Chas'88
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What happened to Rock 'n' Roll after 1959? The Music Industry took over & tried to clean it up by creating teenage pop idols who looked good on television & were mostly clean cut looking Italian kids, who would imitate the grown up music of Frank Sinatra & the Rat Pack. Essentially what the Music Industry was doing was the same thing they did to Jazz in the 1940s & 1950s--ignore the African-American roots, and get clean cut "all-American" types performing toned down versions of the music. In conclusion the music industry tried to merge Rock 'n' Roll with the existing Adult music culture.

This is the music of the early 1960s that the War Babies grew up with & loved. It's called: Bubblegum Pop. Because it's as artificial & hollow & innocent looking as Bubblegum.

Keep in mind: War Babies bridge the Silent & Boomer Generation (1941 - 1945)

Bobby Rydell - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MNws9CoB68 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NYBJgg--oc ;

Frankie Avalon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbPsfP-T01M ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4W9bgh19Ys (with Annette Funicello; the same Annette from the Mickey Mouse Club whom my mother adored as a kid);

Ann Margaret - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXLosqX0wf8 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxGliUtEutM ;

Although the original play came earlier, Bye Bye Birdie from 1963 represents what the adults were trying to do to Rock 'n' Roll.

One Boy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbbPl-7Ed6U ;

One Last Kiss - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GODXHZFT3rs ;

And just because:

What's the matter with Kids today? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wCXr_6wgns

I like the generational interactions here:

Mama - Interbellum Cusper
Mr. & Mrs. McAffe - Greatest GI
Albert - core Silent
Kim - War Baby Cusper
Randal - core Boomer

~Chas'88
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Chas'88.

After a long time lurking, I decided to take the plunge for my baptismal posting on the theory. I have been studying the theory for several years, and use it frequently on business and in general conversation. In my experience, it's well received by some and rejected out of hand by others. I consider that cause for digging more deeply and developing a more intensive and enriched understanding of the theory.

I like your concept of fractals as part of the saeculum. It makes sense that the cycles would manifest themselves in smaller forms, and in mega-saeculum as well. In that way, it's very similar to the fractals formed by the Elliott Wave Principle in the markets. Smaller time frame waves resemble those of larger degree waves, in form and size.

I agree with your dates and evidence for the smaller turnings within turnings, but I can also see how the very concept of fractal turnings could be very controversial. They do explain well the differences within the turnings themselves. There were clear differences in moods during the 2T and 3T at various stages, as you pointed out in your posting series. Those fractal micro-turnings were clearly in evidence in the 2T and 3T, and have often been used by critics of the theory as evidence that it's invalid. The fractal micro turning concept solves that problem to a large degree.







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Wayne, welcome to the forums!

Are you a 1956 cohort? There are a few of us on these forums -- Tim Walker, Brian Rush, Publius, and me. Am I skipping anyone?
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Literature in micro-turnings

Hey, Chas,

I don't know how much you're including literature as additional indicators of micro-turnings, but Yates' Revolutionary Road is a 1961 novel which is, in my opinion, a well-written commentary on the dark side of the High's culture.

I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say whether or not it offers the same.

There's also Sinclair's The Jungle (1906, I believe) and, of course, To Kill a Mockingbird ('60).







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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonkette View Post
Wayne, welcome to the forums!

Are you a 1956 cohort? There are a few of us on these forums -- Tim Walker, Brian Rush, Publius, and me. Am I skipping anyone?
I am indeed a 1956 cohort, who has been immersed in Gen X culture very heavily.

Thanks as well, Wonkette for the kind greeting to the forums. It is greatly appreciated.
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Quote Originally Posted by Wayneh56 View Post
Chas'88.

After a long time lurking, I decided to take the plunge for my baptismal posting on the theory. I have been studying the theory for several years, and use it frequently on business and in general conversation. In my experience, it's well received by some and rejected out of hand by others. I consider that cause for digging more deeply and developing a more intensive and enriched understanding of the theory.

I like your concept of fractals as part of the saeculum. It makes sense that the cycles would manifest themselves in smaller forms, and in mega-saeculum as well. In that way, it's very similar to the fractals formed by the Elliott Wave Principle in the markets. Smaller time frame waves resemble those of larger degree waves, in form and size.

I agree with your dates and evidence for the smaller turnings within turnings, but I can also see how the very concept of fractal turnings could be very controversial. They do explain well the differences within the turnings themselves. There were clear differences in moods during the 2T and 3T at various stages, as you pointed out in your posting series. Those fractal micro-turnings were clearly in evidence in the 2T and 3T, and have often been used by critics of the theory as evidence that it's invalid. The fractal micro turning concept solves that problem to a large degree.
Welcome and I'm glad you find my little bit of ivory intriguing enough. I hope you enjoy your stay.

I kinda view the theory as resembling reality like this:

In physics you have certain degrees of measurements and if you take it times 10 to the X power you can either express larger or smaller levels & measurements. At the very bottom you have the quarts, then atomic particles, then the atoms, then the cells, then the organism, then the immediate environment, then your street, then your block, then your city, then your state, then your nation, then your continent, then the globe, then the inner solar system, then the entire solar system, then our arm of the galaxy, then our quadrant in the galaxy, then our half of the galaxy & so on and so forth. There's a movie they showed in Astronomy class once called Powers of Ten. That's what gave me the idea originally, well that & someone else's Macro-Saeculums theory. Now I hear rumor that an Ultra-Saeculum theory is in the works.

I believe that one could go on analyzing the microcosms & macrocosms to infinity, but one has to draw the line somewhere before one has to pull out a finite microscope to observe the level you're talking on. My Micro-turnings theory is just looking at things at a smaller level, but at a reasonable level. It could probably be taken into even smaller levels, but my mind can only accept splitting apart and examining so many minute pieces, eventually my brain starts hurting if I break things apart too much.

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Quote Originally Posted by BookishXer View Post
Hey, Chas,

I don't know how much you're including literature as additional indicators of micro-turnings, but Yates' Revolutionary Road is a 1961 novel which is, in my opinion, a well-written commentary on the dark side of the High's culture.

I haven't seen the movie, so I can't say whether or not it offers the same.

There's also Sinclair's The Jungle (1906, I believe) and, of course, To Kill a Mockingbird ('60).
Oh of course, but I've recently been sticking with movies & YouTube, because that's a more available medium online that doesn't require an extensive amount of commitment into "checking it out". However I'll definitely work on including more literary contributions. I did focus on the Children's Literature of the Lost/Contemptible generation--which was quite a golden age for Children's Lit.:

The Railway Children
Five Children and It
The Enchanted Castle
The Magic Carpet
Peter Pan (the definitive Contemptible childhood)
The Secret Garden
The Little Princess
Little Lord Fauntleroy

~Chas'88
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