I think you're right Chas that the Crisis Awakening started last year not this year. Last year was the year that, just like in the normal Awakening, the Prophet generation challenged the paradigm of the High and completely changed the national dialogue.Originally Posted by Chas'88
micro-high - the society crystallizes the culture that will exist over the course of this Turning; a mood is established and stabilizes itself, the resultant hard work of the previous turning's efforts
micro-awakening - the society divides into two (or more) ideologies that will develop during this period; new ideas are thought of in response to the micro-High culture
micro-unraveling - the ideologies battle each other and decay & begin destroying the larger Turning culture; often this is the time when the most memorable developments in artistic achievement occur
micro-crisis - the culture of the Turning can no longer be supported--a repudiation of the previous Turning culture, and a new identity is formed that'll ferment into the next Turning's cultural identity forms & begins to take over & push through drastic societal changes
I thought I'd repost these definitions.
~Chas'88
Last edited by Chas'88; 03-16-2012 at 07:56 PM.
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
An interesting thing I noticed is that Grunge and the "mainstreaming" of Alt-Rock in general coincides perfectly with the micro-Awakening of the 3T.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Don't forget Dr. Dre/Snoop-Dogg "The Chronic" was 1992/1993 as well!
Nirvana/Pearl Jam were 1992;
Smells Like Teen Spirit/Jeremy(The Blockbusters).
Now look about 5 years further(1997) and what do you find for the 3T Unraveling-unraveling?
Yup! You got it!
PoC67
PS: I did a bunch of research on the different MTs i/r/t VERY POPULAR musical genre shifts. I can try to find it and post it. I never did b/c no one seemed to be interested.
I think that's REALY COOL that you noticed that!
Last edited by princeofcats67; 02-16-2011 at 11:33 AM.
I Am A Child of God/Nature/The Universe
I Think Globally and Act Individually(and possibly, voluntarily join-together with Others)
I Pray for World Peace & I Choose Less-Just Say: "NO!, Thank You."
Prescient Theory
Chas -
Your theory continues to look prescient. The current US 4T micro-awakening period battle in Madison WI between the Progressives (Unions) and Libertarians (Tea Party) should continue for the next two years as the battlesites move on to Columbus, Lansing, Minneapolis, etc, and culminate in the national elections in 2012. There's a lot at stake in these battles because the winning ideology is likely to dominate the next saeculum. My guess is the Libertarians (attackers) will replace the Progressives (defenders) by 2014.
It might even last until 2015. Lately I've been analyzing Micro-Turnings and finding that they're either 4, 5, or 6 years long. More often they tend to last about five years and four or six are more often anomolies, and the micro-awakening started in 2010 by my accounts. It continues to grow and fester as we move on.
I don't predict who will win, but these patterns keep repeating themselves.
I'd say that the last part of the Crisis-high was Obama's election and Healthcare reform bill.
Also I think more groups other than just the Tea Party will start making an appearance as the Crisis-awakening continues, although you might not see them advertised on TV.
~Chas'88
Last edited by Chas'88; 02-19-2011 at 01:20 PM.
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Well, with what is going on in Wisconsin we can definitely say that your Crisis-Awakening has begun! Talking about a stunning confirmation of the hypothesis!
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Chas -
After the 1928 elections, the Gilded Conservatives (Republicans) held both houses comfortably; the Senate 56-39, the House 270-164.
The 1930 elections saw the Progressives (Democrats) pick up 52 seats in the House, and following some post election events where they picked up two more seats, took control of the House 218-217. In the Senate, the Progressives picked up 8 seats but the Conservatives retained control of the Senate by a slimmer margin 48-47.
The Progressives then picked up 97 seats in the House in 1932 greatly expanding control of the House 315-160. The Progressives picked up 12 seats in the Senate and a comfortable majority of 60-35.
In the 1934 elections, the Progressives increased their majorities by 9 seats in each house. These majorities pretty much held until the Reagan revolution 50 years later.
Despite the Progressive 52 house seat pick-up in the 1930 elections, I’d still find it hard to think the period 1930-34 was the micro-awakening of the 1929-45 4T. But the similarities between the 1928 and ‘30 election results with the 2008 and ’10 elections are almost eerie. The Progressives in 1930, the Libertarians in 2010.
It remains to be seen if these past patterns will continue in future elections.
Okay, Chas, time to dust this thread off and take a look at how it's playing out. Since the Tucson shooting, we've had the Japan earthquake/tsunami/nuclear meltdown, further unrest in the MENA (with the US playing a role) and now Osama bin Laden's death (not to mention a few other things). Then there are domestic issues like price inflation in food/fuel/energy, QE2 and (soon) the termination of the extra 99 weeks of unemployment benefits.
Thinking of society's reaction to all these events, is the M-T theory holding? If so, are we still Crisis-Awakening?
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." —Albert Einstein
"The road to perdition has ever been accompanied by lip service to an ideal." —Albert Einstein
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.” —Albert Einstein
....and series of unusual F5 tornados on a path of destruction through the south east and a British wedding making us feel warm and fuzzy inside!
I need to explore this thread to see the definitions of each turning within the turning to state further thoughts, but my guess would be that we are in a different part of the turning. The mood of this 4T instantly feels different and the ball seems to be in Mr. Obama's court again.
Last edited by millennialX; 05-02-2011 at 01:50 PM.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
It does feel different, doesn't it, MX? I've been reading all the usual blogs -- left, right, center and Libertarian -- and they all seem to agree that something about this doesn't feel quite right. Something is changing in the public mood... just can't put a finger on what it is, yet.
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." —Albert Einstein
"The road to perdition has ever been accompanied by lip service to an ideal." —Albert Einstein
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.” —Albert Einstein
I am really isolated at the moment and unaware of society's reaction to OBL's death. Last night I was working on my Dramaturgical File for class while watching the second season of Boy Meets World that I just bought (very Gen Y--but the show has a lot of continuity errors and the 1982 cohorts of the first & second season become 1979 cohorts when the writers had them skip a grade or two--mostly middle school). I've been ODing on Nostalgia... wishing for someway to get back to the '90s when it all seemed to make sense, people dressed oddly but in a way that made more sense, and... I don't know how to describe it, things just made fucking sense!
In other words I've been doing the emotional research I need for writing my next play... God... I just bought the third and fourth seasons of Boy Meets World online... now it's getting really bad, especially on my wallet!
Give me a day or two to get back in touch with society and get a pressure gage from it & think about it, then I'll come back and post my thoughts on things.
As for the other things, they've been making me more depressed as the line that society has been taking about all these issues has been "things are going to get better, goddammit!" even though we all know that they're just saying it to try and convince themselves. Perhaps with Osama gone Obama will now be perceived again as "getting things done" and a "man of action" and no longer the Grand Capitulator role he's been taking on.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
.....continuity errors! This show is still the closet to the way my life felt in the late 90's. But maybe that's because it takes place in Philly.
Born in 1981 and INFJ Gen Yer
The show also resounds for me--maybe for similar reasons.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
I can't help but think that people are going to use this as an excuse to maintain the status quo especially since the wedding (and now this) completely buried a SCOTUS decision that allows companies to override class action lawsuits.
Fuck. The world is full of vengeful little buggers who are all blind and toothless. And are kept so by the puppeteers who dangle us on strings.
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
The "Regeneracy"=Crisis-awakening.
Prince
PS: Rise and Shine!
I Am A Child of God/Nature/The Universe
I Think Globally and Act Individually(and possibly, voluntarily join-together with Others)
I Pray for World Peace & I Choose Less-Just Say: "NO!, Thank You."
My guess is the micro-high will end, and the micro-awakening will begin, when the Grey Champion is identified. Washington-1776; Lincoln-1860; Roosevelt-1932. Hindsight being 20/20, it's easy to look back on these three Champions and see them as obvious. Looking ahead to 2012 isn't so easy. I'm guessing the next Champion will be a political Boomer.
My guess is that this Crisis hasn't begun in earnest yet, even though it's doubtlessly tough in many parts of the world, including the US. When it does hit the fan, we will all look back to the 2008-2013 (?) period as the "Crisis High", not to mention "the good old days".
I think there could be micro turnings. I'm just not sure they can be defined and categorized by such neat definitions as was originally conceived of by Chas.
The last Turning does seem to crystallize into some more or less well defined periods:
1977-1983: Part of Unraveling High (although not hegemonic yet) or Awakening to Unraveling Transition period (Brian Beecher calls it "the grey area" and I agree).
1983-1987: Unraveling High ("Blue skies" solidified yuppie and "High 80's" era - this is the part of our 3T that looks the most like the roaring 20's)
1987-1994: Unraveling Awakening (60's-70's nostalgia, grunge era, intense culture wars and free wheeling ideological experimentation in the ensuing vacuum left by the implosion of communism)
1994-2001: Unraveling Unraveling (Not simply no direction home but no direction anywhere as Clinton and Blair are managing lethargically tid bit and ideology free administrations amidst a blighted Unraveling culture. Management by quarterly balance sheet)
2001-2008 Unraveling Crisis (9/11 and wars unleash our own crazed little Vietnam era during the 00's)
I'm not sure how it all fits together, but look upon it as a work in progress...
Last edited by Tussilago; 08-23-2011 at 06:11 AM.
INTP 1970 Core X
What I find interesting is that despite the President giving a rhetorically rousing speech--accomplishing the tasks that reporters said kept him distant from the public (naming bills with long Congressional speech, speaking impassionedly, etc.) The general vibe I get from everyone is that they want results, not promises. Which is an interesting turn of events. Action is demanded, not words. The general vibe I get from people is that they want something done and they don't care what it takes to do it or who does it, as long as someone does something.
~Chas'88
Last edited by Chas'88; 09-11-2011 at 02:03 AM.
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
It's been a couple pages, so I'll bump this growing post up.
Awakening-crisis: 1901 – 1907:+++++++++++++++++++++++++
- Ragtime! – Ragtime - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZbPdFv7qVs
- The Railway Children - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw43SSzutlE (the book by E. Nesbit was published in 1906, but it shows the transition from a Missionary Childhood to a Lost Childhood at least in England)
- Peter Pan - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKnI2KPMEjs ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCH8xULFigg (play written in 1904, book 1911; Looking at the childhood of the British Contemptibles)
- The Oz Books - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipivUGVydMY
Unraveling-high: 1907 – 1912:
Unraveling-unraveling: 1917 – 1925:
- The Great Race - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIBJJX7gy_k
- Titanic - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qakVJW8FYc
- Chitty Chitty Bang Bang - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTQyKV0K3Nc (sure its looking at England--but at this time England was the global hegemon; but it generally displays the positive aspects associated with the wonder and awe surrounding "the motorcar" & the newly developed and dangerous racing culture that was developing very accurately IMO.)
- The Secret Garden - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrMahhudZvo (book was published in 1910 by a British-American author; further shows life for the little Contemptibles aka Losts--left to their own devices)
- A Little Princess - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_zW4QdGDC8 (book by the same authoress as The Secret Garden, this one looks more at American children, particularly the difference between the rich Lost & the poor Lost)
- Five Children and It - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veq-jtyg-F0 (again, showing how the Contemptibles & therefore the Lost, occupied themselves while their parents were busy doing other things)
Unraveling-awakening: 1912 – 1917:- The Music Man – Ya Got Trouble - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI
- Pollyanna -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dge1E...eature=related - (novel published: 1913; it depicts Lost/GI aka Interbellum cuspers. Comparing the Interbellum Pollyanna here to previous children's lit. characters she's the perfect child that all the adults want to protect and nurture, other such children would make appearances at this time as well: The Bobsey Twins. They lack the mischievousness of earlier Nomad characters)
Unraveling-crisis: 1925 – 1929:
- Thoroughly Modern Millie – Thoroughly Modern Millie - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVNcLUE87HQ
- Something Wicked This Way Comes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up7KHbJTmoo (although written by a 1920 GI, the film has a style that suits a small town undergoing the transition between the Wilson years that Pollyanna shows and the Depression era small towns)
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- Bubble Economics - Stock Market Crash - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJpLMvgUXe8
Crisis-high: 1929 – 1933:
Crisis-awakening: 1933 – 1938:
- 42nd Street – 42nd Street - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuqJJMSK15U
- Blow Gabriel Blow - Anything Goes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCSl7rw4ERI
Crisis-unraveling: 1938 – 1941:
- We’re in the Money – Gold Diggers of 1933 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJOjTNuuEVw
- Star Dust – Glenn Miller - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5eiyLrHXY;
- Reefer Madness - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4 ;
Crisis-crisis: 1941 – 1946:
- Bringing up Baby - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4U4aA0ZmVM
- Tora! Tora! Tora! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFmVtZLnHio
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- Oklahoma! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DOuDipKFuQ
- Carousel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6V9EbnNx6U
High-high: 1946 – 1950:
- It’s a Wonderful Life - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k_Vsmqf6X8 ;
- Isn’t It Kinda Fun – State Fair - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0As5d0hdmbA (despite its 1945 release, the entire movie has a very post-Crisis feel to it, looking forward to the society that’s being set up & critiquing it a little too);
High-awakening: 1950 – 1955:
- The Chase – Brigadoon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPGv3yr3Lpk (musical: 1949, movie 1954 – expresses the postwar feelings of GIs and allegorically criticizes & celebrates the return to “simpler” & older values & morals.)
- Sit down you're rockin' the boat - Guys & Dolls - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7kzsZreG0o
- Adelaide's Lament - Guys & Dolls - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCSl7rw4ERI
- The Manchurian Candidate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iBcXCu84w ; (made in 1962 but this scene takes place in the early 1950s, before Raymond goes off to fight in Korea)
High-unraveling: 1955 – 1959:
- Two Lost Souls - Damn Yankees - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRWoc3X4ek0 (book: 1954, musical: 1955, movie: 1958 - shows that the youth are more jazzy “beatniks” than “rock ‘n’ rollers”)
- The Robe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sZcL1ooHK0
- The Ten Commandments - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXyEcMG5bDs
- Blackboard Jungle - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr7n9Wxmcf4
High-crisis: 1959 – 1963/4:
- Hound Dog – Elvis Presley - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6A3vLlVa3I ;
- Rock Around the Clock (movie) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS6jrs7LE3E
- Rock, Rock, Rock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GiS_KKmWY
- Don't Knock the Rock - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n4_qg8QFyA ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm5wJ0IMjGE ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzC1h2XnmwY (The 1920's Dance in the last link is how the movie is appealling to the parents to get them to accept Rock 'n' Roll by saying: "hey you guys were once young and crazy too!"--this was the approach that was actually working on parents before the Payola scandal & other scandals of Rock 'n' Roll stars hit the news and undid all the goodwill that Alan Freed had tried to build up)
- Untamed Youth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHbotucguaM
- West Side Story - America - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6wo2wpT2k
- Juvenile Delinquent Movie Trailers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7nwC0VapnQ ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Po_zTbgms ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WLyKMO4Ps8
- Honestly Sincere – Bye Bye Birdie - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqCjsxkB4KE (even though this movie version is set in the early 1960s, the original play is set in 1958) ;
- Bell, Book, & Candle - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Gpdo3DZ3A ;
- Everyday – Buddy Holly - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMezwtB1oCU
- The Obsolete Man – The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXzQD...rom=PL&index=3 ;
- Dr. Strangelove - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gb0mxcpPOU ;
- Splish, Splash - Bobby Darin - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMCsc4Iqvqc
- Who Put the Bomp - Barry Mann - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIP9Dwzdt3g (With Splish, Splash & Who put the Bomp, I'm demonstrating what happened to Rock 'n' Roll after its major creative artists all stopped being influential in 1959--due to various scandals such as Payola.
- The Shelter – The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHIxR-D4Evo ;
- It's a Good Life - The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfGWvexg90w ; This episode starts looking at Boomer kids in a negative light, depicting them lost in a world of their own making & having ideas that they can get whatever they want because they want it, warning of the authoritarian tendencies being planted in them. It also depicts the inability of Silent parents to cope with having to raise a kid like a GI would--"indulgently". It shows that the Silents haven't formed their own parenting influence and are merely copying the GIs at the moment. Also a nice introduction of the Aunt Amy shows that the Interbellums/Losts are starting to age and have dementia. That they show signs of being more a hindrance than a help in their elder years.
- I Am the Night—Color Me Black – The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swiKTHeDNH8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URlR8-iRVBo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo5Zkq1Wd14
- The Flintstones - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PPf3aaZmUw ;
- The Jetsons - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg1F2VyMjVM ;
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
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Awakening-high: 1963/4 – 1967:
- The Bewitchin’ Pool – The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgoA66bmby4 ;
- Come Wander with Me - The Twilight Zone - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7RnqBchvTU (the entire episode puts an end to the previous era of Rock 'n' Roll and that Folk & Folk Rock is becoming more influential over Bubblegum Pop)
- I dig Rock and Roll Music - Peter Paul and Mary - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrXXx9706tc (just in case you didn't get the message that Bubblegum Pop was dead, PP&M here parody where Rock 'n' Roll has been developing & how the Music Industry censors things)
- I want to hold your hand - The Beatles - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvVIe8FFGrc (their first appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show)
- The Graduate - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9eIXN6Sp40 ;
- I am a Rock - Simon & Garfunkel - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My9I8q-iJCI
Awakening-awakening: 1967 – 1973:
- Rosemary’s Baby - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQ-18lmqdg (filmed in 1968, set in 1966)
- Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yt0wxoFl4o ;
- Brotherhood of Man - How to Succeed in Business without Really Trying - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_29IeEeZqo
- The Dutchman - by Amiri Baraka - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzAH20X2S3g
- Been a Long Day - How to Succeed in Business without Really Trying - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dF99H6ibnk (The Silent adulthood Dating Game; Favorite lines in it: "Service for two $3.58!" & "What female kind of trap could I spring?")
- Company Way - How to Succeed in Business without Really Trying - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGhTr8lDCV0 (Silent asking a GI about corporate loyalty)
- Johnny Quest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT0rzDGJ6vc ;
- Space Ghost - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6uXE...om=PL&index=36
- Sweet Charity – Rhythm of Life - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmKxgRzc3f0 ;
- Sweet Charity - The Pompeii Room - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ineIneEr5cU
- Linda Goodman's Sun Signs - http://www.cyberspacei.com/englishwi...c/contents.htm ; (link takes you to a website where the contents of the book are available for your reading pleasure. Published in 1968, is often credited with accelerating the New Age movement)
- The Fantastic Four - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoBiL4bEFy0 ;
- Vietnam War (actual footage) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDy0Z3HSkTE
- Say it Loud (I'm Black and I'm Proud) - James Brown - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VRSAVDlpDI ;
- Scooby Doo, Where are you? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY ;
- Josie and the Pussycats - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH_bNu6RudU ;
Awakening-unraveling: 1973 – 1978:
- What’s up Doc? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u43HqgbCSfA
- Rocky Horror Picture Show – Hot Patootie - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz99mdwojgo ;
- Network - "There is no Democracy" speech - http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=FBzYiwn-li8&v=RzSj1yNZdY8 ; (portrays the "death of the individual" & the creed of "corporate greed" that was just in its infancy during this time period.)
- Shining Star - Earth, Wind, & Fire - Genre: Funk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwc0AW67CmA ;
- The Addams Family - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj2hoqIArfU ;
- You are my first, my last, my everything - Barry White - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcd3XuQwDQQ ;
- Saturday Night Fever – Stayin’ Alive - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_PVPu1EKr4 ;
- The Stepford Wives - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9WOMDsMy78 ;
Awakening-crisis: 1978 – 1984:
- A Boy and his Dog - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ermq_-jog
- Shock Treatment – Shock Treatment - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnvVtCC-nsw ;
- Shock Treatment – Me of Me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5v-jYWukhw ;
- Red Dawn - http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=F0clv8ccTSI&v=1_I4WgBfETc ; This movie shows the over hyped paranoia associated with Cold War that starts in this time period and peeks in the Unraveling-high
- The Hunt for the Red October - http://www.youtube.com/watch#!videos=S6x61YkZX54&v=3C2tE7vjdHk ; (the book is from 1984, the movie is from 1990; shows how far the Cold War paranoia went, with the author fictionally portraying the nightmarish technology that the GOP were saying the USSR was accomplishing, but in actuality they weren't)
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- Poltergeist - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szoTggTxygY ; (In both ET & Poltergeist I’m looking at the parents’ behaviors - In E.T. a divorced single working mom who is clueless about E.T.'s presence in her home & what her kids do; In Poltergeist: pot smoking parents who are more into satisfying themselves, and often do things that nowadays parents would be heavily critized for - letting Carol Anne watch a violent war movie being one example)
- Scooby Doo and Scrappy Doo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzkLSUsWuhg ;
- The Smurfs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8kTcKFnAMU ;
Unraveling-high: 1984 – 1988:
Classic John Hughes movies
- Sixteen Candles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcKqtzj8LAg ;
- The Breakfast Club - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8qb9TRqZsM ;
- Some Kind of Wonderful - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft7Lc0RN2_w ;
- Weird Science - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOHo5BoIXOA ;
Other
- Pretty in Pink - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcSMDqXT52s ;
- The Company of Wolves - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AbXBvWMrG0
- Neverending Story - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3DcWtkKeIY
- Labyrinth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_xpFZe20A
- Cocoon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQLZlIoNI8c ;
- Donnie Darko - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFoJ6XNeKOI & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Oa-qlz2AY (filmed in 2001 & set in 1988, some parts are partly autobiographical for the film maker) ;
- Into the Woods - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z20VJXdH4Dg
Unraveling-awakening: 1988 – 1995:
- Children’s Zoo – The Twilight Zone (1985 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBe3zS1H3A8 (starts around 1:19; it’s about the transition in parenting styles from self-absorbed, condescending, & argumentative parents to caring, sincere, & nurturing parents)
- The Uncle Devil Show - The Twilight Zone (1985 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIMzH9yuywI (it's also about the transition in parenting styles, ironically funny its message is that parents should pay more attention to their kids & monitor what they watch on television: "And remember kids, have it the way I do, with plenty of sweets and candy bars in between meals.")
- Beetlejuice - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FmiA7gGnvY
- 1992 GOP Convention - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E9sZqunJ_M ;
- The Stand - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsMp2pZK-Cw
- Patriot Games - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86janCeyCdg
- Goodbye Lenin! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kehu8QBHCCk ; (made: 2003, set in: 1989-1990: hilarious German comedy about the reunification of Germany--a very pro DDR mother has a stroke after seeing her son protesting amongst the group of people that would eventually topple the wall; she wakes up after the fall of communism and the son is told by the doctors not to give her any more shocks to her system--or she'll have another stroke and die. So her son develops this elaborate ruse to keep her in the dark about the fall of communism. This is the scene where the mother sneaks out of the house and sees for the first time East & West Germany culturally reunifying. I'm using this to point to the elevated euphoric emotions that would come to dominate this time period & drive the U-a in America and showing the root of the cause being the end of the Cold War.)
- Addams Family Values - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccj2BH25c0I (Perfect example of the divide amongst Gen Yers--from this you can tell who the future Ron Paul voters & future Obama voters will be & also an explanation of why this is so; parodies Yuppie & Upwardly Mobile culture as well)
Unraveling-unraveling: 1995 – 2000:
- Hocus Pocus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDidHzwYu3E (made in 1998, set in 1993, shows the stereotyped relationship between Nintendo Xer teens & Gen Yer younger siblings; also depicts that the kids are left on their own while parents are off partying in a self-gratifying world of pleasure that was the 1990s; also depicts the fantasy market that was aimed at children) ;
- Are You Afraid of the Dark? - The Tale of the Full Moon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Rq7FyIN1Y ; (Famous Nickelodeon SNICK program--SNICK was a two hour primetime block that started at 8:00 and went until 10:00. SNICK ran from 1992 - 2004, and its shows often are fond childhood nostalgia memories for Gen Y Millennials. This is one of the few comedic gothic-lite episodes; the episode's stylized manner of storytelling reminds me of the several children's books published for Gen Y Millennials)
- Are You Afraid of the Dark? - The Tale of Watcher's Woods - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-5Zg...eature=channel (A more typical AYAOTD? episode)
Unraveling-crisis: 2000 – 2005:
- Monica Lewinsky Scandal - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClfpG2-1Bv4 ;
- Dave - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkf4VQx2MHE ; (an obvious portrayal of the Clinton years, the dreams surrounding that time and the less than ideal realities.)
- 10 things I hate about you - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWmjzCZr0Jw
- Clueless - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFR9TNsByLk ;
- Snow White: A tale of terror - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmCLjShLiTQ
- 10th Kingdom - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVP2_BzNPxU
- The Odyssey - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfJ7GmTV26g
- Cuckoo Clock of Doom – Goosebumps - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shUOhGhER88 (set in 1995 with tensions between a 1983 Gen Yer clinging to the young teen Nintendo Xer stereotype & a 1988 Gen Yer younger sister; the story uses the stereotyped relationship between Nintendo wave Xers & Gen Yers during the 1990s)
- Are you Afraid of the Dark? - The Tale of the Renegade Virus - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxr-EhG3i94 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul5lspmu028 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxM2fSJGU5U ; (Part of the Nickelodeon's SNICK line up, children's television that used the gothic-lite childhood culture)
- Sleepy Hollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYHt8SdUj-U ;
- Flight 93 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afx8_5MVf5s ;
- Crooked E - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtDY8feXyPY ;
- Survivor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJrv6kT7zJQ ;
- How much do you love your kid? - Twilight Zone (2002 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrUrDg9uZFI ;
- Desperate Housewives - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06bNBvkX3kU ;
- Snow Queen - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEojXa6voVo
- 2000 election - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHK1-LA8zEU ;
- Twilight (book published in 2005) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2T7d8j6I5I
- Sanctuary – The Twilight Zone (2002 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qF2RuVHzrY ;
- Evergreen – The Twilight Zone (2002 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNGID9MMnLo
One thing I noticed that's really helpful is that the Twilight Zone was both time relaunceh in the Micro-Crisis and showed the ease from one turning into the next.
- Upgrade - The Twilight Zone (2002 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPkA5rphAM
- MadTV - Abercrombie Skits - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3-WzqfbVHU
- Future Trade - The Twilight zone (2002 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQiYn-xfNsk
- Found and Lost - The Twilight Zone (2002 series) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT23OvQKc8s
~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."
Part of the problem is that he proposed more or less the same thing that has been done to death for decades and it does not seem to be working. It is not just action that is required because Obama has been flailing about for some time now, it is action that gets positive results that is demanded. Right now the Boomers are attempting to keep everything as it was with the same solutions that have been used in the past.
The amusing thing about it all is that the only thing fresh on the menu is a Silent named Ron Paul. What if he turns out to be the prototype for the Gray Champion everyone is looking for. No doubt there will be howls of protest at the idea from the usual suspects but the irony of it appeals to me on so many levels. If there is anything I have learned over the years it is to always go with the irony.
If one rejects laissez faire on account of mans fallibility and moral weakness, one must for the same reason also reject every kind of government action.
- Ludwig von Mises
Beware of altruism. It is based on self-deception, the root of all evil.
- Lazarus Long
The idea of micro turnings and micro-generations makes a lot of sense to me. It does seem as those most typical of their generational archetype are those born in the years where the micro-generation matches the parent generation, eg, prophet-prophets, nomad-nomads, etc. It also explains why those born in the "crisis" period of the turning they were born in more often than not don't really relate as well to their home generational archetype and have characteristics of the next generation--the cuspers often feel like orphaned or even unwanted children in their own gen (I think this is especially true of the prophet archetype born in the High "crisis"--for example, I don't know too many Jonesers who relate very well to core Boomers at all or even understand them--even if their behavior can still be quite prophet-like at times. It could also explain why I seem to have a lot of silent-like traits, having been born during a micro-crisis.
My son, born in 1991 (unraveling-awakening), would be a civic-nomad, and now his nomadic traits seem to make a lot more sense. He seems to relate better to Xers than to other Millies, and since he's nowhere near the X-Millie cusp, I didn't understand that until reading this thread. My daughter, born two years later, is more civic-like, at least in the sense she is less of a free and independent thinker and seems to care very much about what her friends are thinking and doing. Of course, that could just be her younger age too.
It was fun watching the various clips of examples from each of the micro-turnings, and they do seem to fit for the most part. If we hold 2008 as the start of the 4T, then we are still about 2 years removed from the crisis-awakening. I wonder if that's when the Gray Champion will appear.
As for macro-turnings, what turning would this saeculum be? The awakening? I'm just guessing, here. I have to read up on it more.
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Both of these have been removed. Thought you would want to know. This is a great list.
James50
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected. - G.K. Chesterton
