Originally Posted by x in az

I find this micro-turning idea fascinating, and wonder how it extends into the Awakening/Unraveling. So would the Awakening-Awakening then be 1969 (Summer of Love) and then perhaps end with 1972 and the Watergate trials?

Yes, actually.

1963 - 1967 - Kennedy - Summer of Love (These were the years of The Great Society)

1967 - 1973 - Summer of Love - Watergate

1973 - 1978 - Watergate - Malaise/Nuclear Scare/Religious Right

1978 - 1984 - Malaise/Nuclear Scare/Religious Right - Morning in America/Nuclear Disarmanent

1984 - 1988 - Morning in America/Nuclear Disarmanent - Return of the Religious Right/Economic Slump

1988 - 1995 - Economic Slump/Return of the Religious Right - Shut Down of Government

1995 - 2000 - Shutdown of Government - 2000 Election/Millennium/Y2K

2000 - 2005 - Millennium/Y2K/2000 Election - Katrina/No WMDs/No Osama

That's to simplify things.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Chas'88

Yes, actually.

1963 - 1967 - Kennedy - Summer of Love (These were the years of The Great Society)

1967 - 1973 - Summer of Love - Watergate

1973 - 1978 - Watergate - Malaise/Nuclear Scare/Religious Right

1978 - 1984 - Malaise/Nuclear Scare/Religious Right - Morning in America/Nuclear Disarmanent

1984 - 1988 - Morning in America/Nuclear Disarmanent - Return of the Religious Right/Economic Slump

1988 - 1995 - Economic Slump/Return of the Religious Right - Shut Down of Government

1995 - 2000 - Shutdown of Government - 2000 Election/Millennium/Y2K

2000 - 2005 - Millennium/Y2K/2000 Election - Katrina/No WMDs/No Osama

That's to simplify things.

~Chas'88

The 3T's of each Turning seem to give a hint of the up coming 4T's themes. For example, we had a physical shut down of Government and a white house moral issue that took away it's credibility and created huge and hateful partisanship. Add the 2000 election debacle and a hint of Y2k=2012 voodoo and here we go.

Originally Posted by millennialX

The 3T's of each Turning seem to give a hint of the up coming 4T's themes. For example, we had a physical shut down of Government and a white house moral issue that took away it's credibility and created huge and hateful partisanship. Add the 2000 election debacle and a hint of Y2k=2012 voodoo and here we go.

BINGO! Would you like to buy a vowel?

An example of the Crisis-unraveling to Crisis-crisis shift: Walt Disney's Dumbo was going to be on TIME magazine's cover as one of the most influential things of that year... until Pearl Harbor happened.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Chas'88

BINGO! Would you like to buy a vowel?

~Chas'88

Umm, an "O" for occupy please?

(boos from the crowd)

See the edit.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Chas'88

An example of the Crisis-unraveling to Crisis-crisis shift: Walt Disney's Dumbo was going to be on TIME magazine's cover as one of the most influential things of that year... until Pearl Harbor happened.

~Chas'88

Has anyone developed a multiple catalyst theory that drives each micro turning into the next?

Originally Posted by millennialX

Has anyone developed a multiple catalyst theory that drives each micro turning into the next?

I've been working on it to some degree, but one has to remember that not all of history turns on a dime--sometimes it does, sometimes the change is more gradual.

~Chas'88

Millennial 3T micro-turnings.

Unraveling-High (1984-1989): Morning in America, Reagan's speech after he won his second term, began a new mood that finally shifted away from Awakening ideals such as discovering yourself at the expense of the family, and suddenly it was considered "selfish" for women to put their careers or self-discovery ahead of their children. Of course this was also the era of the Yuppie, and it was perfectly okay, in fact very desirable, for women to have high powered careers, or delay childbearing, but once they had children no longer was letting them run free to do as they wished acceptable. (as Xer and Boomer childhoods had been like). New laws to protect children and harsh punishments and judgment of parents who failed to protect and organize their childrens' activities were put into effect. Suddenly the child became the new status symbol for Boomer parents, just as their homes, cars, food fads, natural fiber clothing, and everything else had been. Books on pregnancy and child rearing became popular, albeit with a much stricter and more rigid agenda for raising kids than books written for GIs on raising their Boomer children. The world was unsafe and uncertain, and the economy shaky, so kids were given many rules and many began to be homeschooled or sent to expensive private schools (another Boomer status symbol--"I got my kid into a better nursery school than yours.") Churchgoing became popular, but this time not the mainstream churches, but fundamentalist Christianity, or for more progressive parents, New Age religions or Buddhism. Kids were held to a standard of perfection not seen in years. The Drug Wars started by Reagan were one of the primary issues of the day, and the nation began to polarize into the religious Right and everyone else. Popular music was newly upbeat again, with pop stars like Madonna, Michael Jackson, Blondie, The Cars, Cyndi Lauper and Culture Club pop-ifying new wave and disco and turning it into danceable, feel good music. Young Xers and Jonesers listened to this danceable music, went "clubbing," and dressed in bright primary colors. Goth music foreshadowed the nihilism and cynicism of the 1990s. TV shows and movies like The Big Chill and thirtysomething showed the push-pull of wanting to "have it all" and wanting to be good parents among 30-ish Boomers.

Unraveling-Awakening (1989-1994): The stock market crashed on "Black Monday" in October 1989, and yuppie hedonism and materialism came to a halt, and now began to change into a more midlife attitude of judgmentalism and intolerance of differences. This was a relatively uneventful time, but parenting became glorified, and now it was again acceptable for women to choose to stay home to raise their children rather than trying to "have it all." The rise of the dot.coms and sudden overnight wealth, along with a temporarily booming economy under the Clinton administration with many new jobs created made it possible for a short time for Boomer mothers to not have to work, or to work from home while raising their kids. It was also acceptable now for father to stay home, if the wife's earnings were better. Home buying was way up, and there was a Boomerang baby boom of many children born to Boomer parents in the early 1990s, peaking around 1991-1994.

Unraveling-Unraveling (1994-2001): Several things happened in 1994 that darkened the mood and changed the changed the mood to a pre-Crisis one. Kurt Cobain, unwilling Xer musical icon, committed suicide in 1994, and by now the airwaves were filled with Mariah Carey, power ballads, and grunge music, which was already becoming commercialized. The internet became widely available and totally changed the way people lived and communicated. Older people had trouble adapting to all these rapid changes, but younger people were making a killing with the dot.coms, only to see that bubble burst in 2000, leaving many young entrepreneurs floundering and losing their fortunes. Kids were more overprotected than ever, and the culture wars were becoming more intense, and the Far Right increasingly strident and aggressively anti-government, anti-abortion, anti gay rights, anti-drug, and anti-tax. Religion was increasingly visible in politics, and the election of Bush Jr. in 2000 changed the mood of the 1990s to a more pre-Crisis one. The Unraveling-Unraveling came to a screeching halt with 9/11.

Unraveling-Crisis (2001-2005 or 2008?): It's still tempting to say 9/11 was the beginning of the 4T, but it was simply too early, with the generations still not in their 4T life roles. I will say, however, that 9/11 was the beginning of the Crisis phase of the Unraveling. For a short time Americans seemed to come together in solidarity no matter what their religious or political creed--we were all Americans after all. National security was ramped up to unheard of levels, and new laws like the Patriot Act, supposedly intended to protect us from terrorism, actually did more harm than good, and took away many of the freedoms we took for granted before. The patriotism and solidarity after 9/11 was short lived, however, and soon we were back to business as usual, following the lives of troubled celebrities like Britney Spears, watching the freaks on reality TV, and most people either not bothering to vote, or voting only half-heartedly without much faith in our leaders. Rock music ceased to have relevance, and no new mainstream movements in this genre had been seen since the early-mid 1990s. Country music (and Millennial pop and r&b) was suddenly more popular than rock. The gap between the rich and poor was wider than ever, the polarization between the right and left deeper than ever, and there was a complete total lack of trust in government or institutions on both the left and the right. The end came with either Katrina in 2005 or the housing bubble bursting in 2008 (I'm still not sure which is the real start of the Crisis).

Originally Posted by LateBoomer

Unraveling-Awakening (1989-1994): The stock market crashed on "Black Friday," October 1989, and yuppie hedonism and materialism began to change into a more midlife attitude of judgmentalism among Boomers. This was a relatively uneventful time, but parenting became glorified, and now it was again acceptable for women to choose to stay home to raise their children rather than trying to "do it all." The rise of the dot.coms and sudden overnight wealth, along with a temporarily booming economy under the Clinton administration with many new jobs created made it possible for a short time for Boomer mothers to not have to work, or to work from home while raising their kids. It was also acceptable now for father to stay home, if the wife's earnings were better. Home buying was way up, and there was a Boomerang baby boom of many children born to Boomer parents in the early 1990s, peaking around 1991-1994.

The Fall of the Berlin Wall also helped instigate the Unraveling-awakening. For once Boomers could live in a world not on the brink of nuclear disaster. The election of 1992 really embodies the Unraveling-awakening for me. As does the 1995 Government shutdown, which was the fruition of the Unraveling-awakening--after which public opinion changed to "why can't the elephants and donkeys just get along?"

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Chas'88

The Fall of the Berlin Wall also helped instigate the Unraveling-awakening. For once Boomers could live in a world not on the brink of nuclear disaster. The election of 1992 really embodies the Unraveling-awakening for me. As does the 1995 Government shutdown, which was the fruition of the Unraveling-awakening--after which public opinion changed to "why can't the elephants and donkeys just get along?"

~Chas'88

That's a good point. There was a sense of relief after the Berlin wall fell, that extended to America, and also during the 3T-2T, the Communist Russian government was dismantled and we were no longer living in fear of the "evil" empire nuking us to smithereens.

The idea of micro turnings really is fascinating.

I noticed something interesting. The young adult culture that defines that turning makes itself known during its matching micro-turning counterpart, and always involves the first wave of that generation:


High-high: Young adult Beatnik-era (first wave) Silents settling down at an early age to home life, raising children, and joining the working world as "men in gray flannel suits," as helpmates to the GIs, not questioning the system.

Awakening-awakening: Young adult Aquarian Boomers becoming hippies, changing the musical culture, protesting against Vietnam and on campus, experimenting with drugs, free love and other alternative lifestyles during the 1960s and early 1970s.

Unraveling-unraveling: Young adult Atari wave Xers becoming nihilistic and disaffected, listening to rap and grunge, and dressing in dark colors and flannels, defining the grunge/rap movements of the early-mid 1990s.

Crisis-crisis: Well, I guess my theory dioesn't really work out for first wave Civics. It will be the last wave Civics or early Homelanders who define the youth culture of the Crisis-Crisis.

I also wonder if people born in micro turnings take on some characteristics of the counterpart primary turning. For example, would a Prophet born in the Unraveling part of a High have some Civic characteristics, An Artist born in the High part of a Crisis have some Prophet characteristics, or a Civic born in the Awakening part of an Unraveling have some Nomad characteristics? This would be interesting to look into.

Originally Posted by LateBoomer

The idea of micro turnings really is fascinating.

I noticed something interesting. The young adult culture that defines that turning makes itself known during its matching micro-turning counterpart, and always involves the first wave of that generation:

I've responded with some "films" which capture what you're trying to say.

High-high: Young adult Beatnik-era (first wave) Silents settling down at an early age to home life, raising children, and joining the working world as "men in gray flannel suits," as helpmates to the GIs, not questioning the system.

Revolutionary Road

Awakening-awakening: Young adult Aquarian Boomers becoming hippies, changing the musical culture, protesting against Vietnam and on campus, experimenting with drugs, free love and other alternative lifestyles during the 1960s and early 1970s.

Easy Rider

Unraveling-unraveling: Young adult Atari wave Xers becoming nihilistic and disaffected, listening to rap and grunge, and dressing in dark colors and flannels, defining the grunge/rap movements of the early-mid 1990s.

Fight Club

Crisis-crisis: we are seeing this now with Millennial youth culture--they seem to have a clean cut but hipster or retro way of dressing, listen to electronic dance pop and r&b and pop country, which are popular among this age group right now. Being that we've entered the Awakening part of the Crisis, we are now seeing political and civic involvement among Millennials (Occupy movement, etc.)

TBD

I also wonder if people born in micro turnings take on some characteristics of the counterpart primary turning. For example, would a Prophet born in the Unraveling part of a High have some Civic characteristics, An Artist born in the High part of a Crisis have some Prophet characteristics, or a Civic born in the Awakening part of an Unraveling have some Nomad characteristics? This would be interesting to look into.

Go back and reread this thread from the beginning & you'll find some interesting thoughts.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by LateBoomer

The idea of micro turnings really is fascinating.

I noticed something interesting. The young adult culture that defines that turning makes itself known during its matching micro-turning counterpart, and always involves the first wave of that generation:


High-high: Young adult Beatnik-era (first wave) Silents settling down at an early age to home life, raising children, and joining the working world as "men in gray flannel suits," as helpmates to the GIs, not questioning the system.

Awakening-awakening: Young adult Aquarian Boomers becoming hippies, changing the musical culture, protesting against Vietnam and on campus, experimenting with drugs, free love and other alternative lifestyles during the 1960s and early 1970s.

Unraveling-unraveling: Young adult Atari wave Xers becoming nihilistic and disaffected, listening to rap and grunge, and dressing in dark colors and flannels, defining the grunge/rap movements of the early-mid 1990s.

Crisis-crisis: we are seeing this now with Millennial youth culture--they seem to have a clean cut but hipster or retro way of dressing, listen to electronic dance pop and r&b and pop country, which are popular among this age group right now. Being that we've entered the Awakening part of the Crisis, we are now seeing political and civic involvement among Millennials (Occupy movement, etc.)


I also wonder if people born in micro turnings take on some characteristics of the counterpart primary turning. For example, would a Prophet born in the Unraveling part of a High have some Civic characteristics, An Artist born in the High part of a Crisis have some Prophet characteristics, or a Civic born in the Awakening part of an Unraveling have some Nomad characteristics? This would be interesting to look into.

That would make me and my peers Prophet-like Civics.

This is very much deja-vu for me.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by Odin

That would make me and my peers Prophet-like Civics.

Since I'm technically an Xer would that make me a Artist-like Nomad?

No wonder why my peers are so whinny and emo.

Originally Posted by millennialX

Since I'm technically an Xer would that make me a Artist-like Nomad?

No wonder why my peers are so whinny and emo.

Yep!

More accurately, I think the Micro-Artists represent the cusps on both sides of the generational boundary.

Originally Posted by Chas'88

I've responded with some "films" which capture what you're trying to say.



Revolutionary Road



Easy Rider



Fight Club



TBD



Go back and reread this thread from the beginning & you'll find some interesting thoughts.

~Chas'88

All good examples of movies that defined these generations. I did have to go back and amend the "crisis-crisis" as we haven't reached it yet and ithe youth culture then will not involve first wave (Disney) Millennials, but late wave Homelander-cusp ones, or even early Homelanders.

Originally Posted by LateBoomer

All good examples of movies that defined these generations. I did have to go back and amend the "crisis-crisis" as we haven't reached it yet and ithe youth culture then will not involve first wave (Disney) Millennials, but late wave Homelander-cusp ones, or even early Homelanders.

Homelanders. cusp..now those will probably be the classic S & H scouts.

I was born in the 3T part of the 1T so that makes me a Civic type of Prophet. I guess that explains why I like the High more than other Boomers and why I like the Occupy movement so much.

With Nomads born in the High part of the 2T, it gets tricky, so any Prophetlike traits they have could either be due to the High micro-turning or their simply being born on the Boomer cusp anyway. I guess that explains why so many early Xers seem so Boom-like to me.

My two children were born in the early 90s, which is the 2T part of a 3T, and they are both quite Nomad-like in many ways, my 1991 son in particular.

Odin, you do have very Prophet-esque traits. That's a compliment btw.

Originally Posted by LateBoomer

All good examples of movies that defined these generations. I did have to go back and amend the "crisis-crisis" as we haven't reached it yet and ithe youth culture then will not involve first wave (Disney) Millennials, but late wave Homelander-cusp ones, or even early Homelanders.

It'll be Gen Z Millies IMO. Just like we all remember Swing-wave GIs, but forget about the Jitterbug-wave of GIs.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by LateBoomer

All good examples of movies that defined these generations. I did have to go back and amend the "crisis-crisis" as we haven't reached it yet and ithe youth culture then will not involve first wave (Disney) Millennials, but late wave Homelander-cusp ones, or even early Homelanders.

Or not. It's A Wonderful Life (1946) captures GIs & the Crisis-Crisis... although George Bailey is an Interbellum.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by millennialX

Homelanders. cusp..now those will probably be the classic S & H scouts.

That's what I think too. We tend to forget the Interbellum GIs were pretty wild when young, included flappers like Clara Bow (the edgy "it" girl of her time) and they also started labor riots and demonstrated during the Depression. The ones who fought in WWII tended to be the later wave of GIs.

Originally Posted by Chas'88

It'll be Gen Z Millies IMO. Just like we all remember Swing-wave GIs, but forget about the Jitterbug-wave of GIs.

~Chas'88

So is Gen Z the official name now? 1995 and up?

My sister and her peers are different then even the early 90's millies.

Originally Posted by millennialX

So is Gen Z the official name now? 1995 and up?

My sister and her peers are different then even the early 90's millies.

No, it's just a placeholder (for me) borrowed from marketing people. I'm letting them define their own name when they choose to let it be known.

~Chas'88

Originally Posted by millennialX

So is Gen Z the official name now? 1995 and up?

My sister and her peers are different then even the early 90's millies.

In what ways do they seem different?