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Post#376 at 08-29-2012 08:39 AM by Tussilago [at Gothenburg, Sweden joined Jan 2010 #posts 1,500]
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
What? Correctly? Why you...you...you "Hooligan"!

Prince

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"Hollow Core" Deliciousness!x2
LMAO!

Man, I had better go and get myself some American styled fluffy pizza. With added extra saccherine.

(After all, we Euro bastards are allowed to keep our favourite prejudices about the great land in the west, aren't we?)
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Post#377 at 08-29-2012 11:41 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by Tussilago View Post
Cool find.

Which kind of made me think of these music videos as early examples of the Unraveling-Awakening. You've probably seen them before (heavy rotation on MTV), but check the aesthetics:
August, 1987: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGPhUr-T6UM
April, 1988: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGbUOlTLzqk
They do look and sound familiar, but then again when I was three or four I sometimes would put on MTV (without realising it) just to look at all the pictures with amazement--most of the symbolism going right over my head and my eyes drawn to the eye candy videos.

Compare that to the "True Blue, Baby I Love You" of a year before.
Oh did I... let's see if I got all the High references:

Marilyn Monroe (Madonna)
Ann-Margaret (backup singers)
Soda Fountain Ice Cream Parlor
Chevy with tail-fins
Old fashioned Lamppost by an old fashioned park bench
Traditional Rock 'n' Roll beat and doo wop chord progression with an 80s twist...

Yep. Very Unraveling-High.

As for Unraveling-Awakening film, Forrest Gump is actually a prime example, covering the last Awakening from the vantage point of 1994. And it's got its 2T end dates set correctly as well.
*cough cough*

The origin or earliest use of the phrase is uncertain. In a review of The Yale Book of Quotations (2006) by Fred Shapiro, The New Yorker critic Louis Menand observed that it was "extremely interesting to know, for instance, that the phrase 'Shit happens' was introduced to print by one Connie Eble, in a publication identified as UNC–CH Slang (presumably the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill), in 1983."
Yes, correct endings indeed.

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
They do look and sound familiar, but then again when I was three or four I sometimes would put on MTV (without realising it) just to look at all the pictures with amazement--most of the symbolism going right over my head and my eyes drawn to the eye candy videos.
I can imagine the experience might almost have had some magical qualities to it.

Oh did I... let's see if I got all the High references:

Marilyn Monroe (Madonna)
Ann-Margaret (backup singers)
Soda Fountain Ice Cream Parlor
Chevy with tail-fins
Old fashioned Lamppost by an old fashioned park bench
Traditional Rock 'n' Roll beat and doo wop chord progression with an 80s twist...

Yep. Very Unraveling-High.
I actually think you hit the jackpot. Tracking Turnings by music video references is of course a highly scientific undertaking, but still, I'm truly impressed...



*cough cough*



Yes, correct endings indeed.

~Chas'88
In fact, we can easily identify the date when Gump recieves the letter from Jenny after which he goes to visit her. It was sometime after 2 PM, Monday March 30, 1981. Same day as the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan, which we happen to watch being reported on television at the post office. By then, Forrest Gump's "running days was over" for an unknown period of time.

We know that Gump ran for "three years, two months, fourteen days and sixteen hours" and given some time staying at home in Alabama, it appears that he must have begun his running session sometime in the late summer or early autumn of 1977 at the latest (by the look of the trees). However, when Jenny is staying with Forrest Gump, prior to sneaking away from him, we see something on the TV set that looks suspiciously like the Bicentennial celebrations in New York City, in such a case placing said events in the summer of 1976. It could of course also have been any 4th of July celebration.

In either case, it appears that the running sequence in Forrest Gump just happened to coincide almost perfectly with the Awakening-Crisis, if we do insist on assigning this to the ca 1977-1980 period. If so, we may conclude with a reasonable amount of precision that the Consciousness Revolution actually finally ended on an Arizona highway in the fall of 1980 (or 1979) with the following line being uttered by an unknown Boomer: "Now, what are we supposed to do!"

Given the movie's retrospective narrative it also seems reasonable to assume that by the time Gump was sitting on the park bench in March 1981, retellling his life's story, the Awakening ought to be over. In other words, back in 1994, and closer to the events in question, it was apparently taken for granted and implicitly understood, at least by director Robert Zemeckis, that what we refer to as the Conscousness Revolution 2T ended by the time of the Reagan revolution.


Now, how's that for "running on empty"?
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Films that capture or depict the zeitgeist of specific Micro-Turnings:

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1945 - 1950 - High-high

State Fair (1945)
The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)
It's A Wonderful Life (1946)
The Bachelor and the Bobbysoxer (1947)
State of the Union (1948)
Beyond the Forest (1949)
Father of the Bride (1950)

Nostalgia Films: Who Framed Rodger Rabbit? (1988) & Dick Tracy (1990) & Zoot Suit (1981) & Radio Days (1987)

1950 - 1955 - High-awakening

All About Eve (1950)
Sunset Blvd (1950)
A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)
Invasion USA (1952)
The War of the Worlds (1953)
On the Waterfront (1954)
Guys & Dolls (1955)

Nostalgia Films: Porky's (1982) & Cry Baby (1990) & Liberty Heights (1999) & Avalon (1990) & Mona Lisa Smile (2003) & The Last Picture Show (1971)

1955 - 1959 - High-unraveling

Blackboard Jungle (1955)
Rebel Without a Cause (1955)
The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit (1956)
Bell, Book and Candle (1957)
Houseboat (1958)
Imitation of Life (1959)

Nostalgia Film: Quiz Show (1994) & Pleasantville (1998) & Revolutionary Road (2008) & Back to the Future (1985) & Dead Poets Society (1989) & Diner (1982) & October Sky (1999) & Howl (2010)

1959 - 1964 - High-crisis

Gidget (1959)
The Apartment (1960)
Bells Are Ringing (1960)
Psycho (1960)
Breakfast at Tiffany's (1961)
The Parent Trap (1961)
The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
Bye Bye Birdie (1963)
Beach Bikini (1964)

Nostalgia Films: Flipped (2010) & Peggy Sue Got Married (1986) & Hairspray (1988) & American Graffiti (1973) & Grease (1978) & Dogfight (1991) & Calendar Girl (1993) & Corrina, Corrina (1994) & Dirty Dancing (1987)

1964 - 1968 - Awakening-high

Viva Las Vegas (1964)
What's New Pussycat? (1965)
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)
The Graduate (1967)
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? (1967)
Yours, Mine & Ours (1968)

Nostalgia Films: Disney's The Kid (2000) & Moonrise Kingdom (2012)

1968 - 1973 - Awakening-awakening

Rosemary's Baby (1968)
Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (1969)
Sweet Charity (1969)
Easy Rider (1969)
Getting Straight (1970)
Harold and Maude (1971)
What's Up Doc? (1972)
The Harrad Experiment (1973)

Nostalgia Film: My Girl (1991) & Now and Then (1995) & Jumaji (1995) & Across the Universe (2007) & More American Graffiti (1979) & Remember the Titans (2000) & Dark Shadows (2012) & Crooklyn (1994)

1973 - 1978 - Awakening-unraveling

The Exorcist (1973)
Harry and Tonto (1974)
The Stepford Wives (1975)
Car Wash (1976)
Rocky (1976)
Network (1976)
Saturday Night Fever (1977)
Oh, God! (1977)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
An Unmarried Woman (1978)

Nostalgia Films: Dazed & Confused (1993) & Almost Famous (2000) & Boogie Nights (1997)

1978 - 1984 - Awakening-crisis

Rich Kids (1979)
Going in Style (1979)
Breaking Away (1979)
Kramer vs Kramer (1979)
Ordinary People (1980)
Nine to Five (1980)
On Golden Pond (1981)
Poltergeist (1982)
The Big Chill (1983)
Flashdance (1983)
The Neverending Story (1984)

Nostalgia Films: Boogie Nights (1997) & Detroit Rock City (1999) & Roll Bounce (2005) & Miracle (2004) & Texasville (1990) & The Last Days of Disco (1998)

1984 - 1989 - Unraveling-high

Sixteen Candles (1984)
St. Elmo's Fire (1985)
The Money Pit (1986)
Adventures in Babysitting (1987)
Baby Boom (1987)
Wall Street (1987)
Working Girl (1988)
Say Anything... (1989)

Nostalgia Film: Take Me Home Tonight (2011) & Rock of Ages (2012) & 13 Going on 30 (2004) & SLC Punk! (1999) & Adventureland (2009)

1989 - 1995 - Unraveling-awakening

Field of Dreams (1989)
Pump Up the Volume (1990)
Thelma & Louise (1991)
Sister Act (1992)
Sleepless in Seattle (1993)
What's Eating Gilbert Grape? (1993)
Pulp Fiction (1994)
Reality Bites (1994)
Clerks (1994)
Empire Records (1995)

Nostalgia Films: RENT (2005)

1995 - 2000 - Unraveling-unraveling

Clueless (1995)
Swingers (1996)
As Good As It Gets (1997)
Hurlyburly (1998)
American Beauty (1999)
Meet the Parents (2000)

Nostalgia Film: Love & Other Drugs (2010)

2000 - 2005 - Unraveling-crisis

Requiem for a Dream (2000)
Memento (2001)
Mulholland Drive (2001)
(2002)
Garden State (2003)
Zero Day (2003)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004)
The Butterfly Effect (2004)
Proof (2005)

2005 - 2010 - Crisis-high

Junebug (2005)
Thank You For Smoking (2006)
Little Miss Sunshine (2006)
The Jane Austen Book Club (2007)
Be Kind Rewind (2008)
Everybody's Fine (2009)
Away We Go (2009)
The Kids Are All Right (2010)

2010 - 2014? - Crisis-awakening

Black Swan (2010)
the social network (2010)
The Myth of the American Sleepover (2011)
Midnight in Paris (2011)
50/50 (2011)
Seeking a Friend for the End of the World (2012)
The Odd life of Timothy Green (2012)

~Chas'88
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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Your nostalgia films section for the '78-'84 period should probably include Boogie Nights (1997, but takes place from '77-'84), Detroit Rock City (1999, set in '78), Roll Bounce (2005, set in 1978), and although it's not a film, Freaks and Geeks (1999-2000, set during the 1980-1981 school year).

For the next period, '84-'89, SLC Punk! (1999, set in the mid-1980s) and Adventureland (2009, set in 1986 or 1987) would probably fit.

You also might consider the nostalgia sports trend of the 2000s, which started with Remember the Titans (2000, set in the early 1970s), Miracle (2004, set in 1980), Invincible (2006, set in 1976), and Secretariat (2010, set in 1973, I think). Although there are certainly other sports period pieces, these particular films are suffused with the atmosphere of the periods they depict and this nostalgia is one of their big selling points.

One thing about nostalgia type films released after about the mid-1990s that might be worth noting is that they tend to be more explicitly autobiographical and smaller in scope--focusing on specific regions or sub-cultures. This trend is not solely an American one, as Trainspotting (1996), Billy Elliot (2000), and the excellent This Is England (2006) all reflect the same sort of approach.
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Updated the majority of the Nostalgia films section. Now every section except the Unraveling-Crisis forward has at least one Nostalgia film listed. It's understandable that 1990s nostalgia films don't exist (as the Nostalgia for the period is still only fermenting and hasn't boiled over yet) and it's also intriguing that some eras have more representation in Nostalgia than others. There seem to be some eras we like more than others, apparently.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Great Power Saeculum

Note: You all knew this was coming. This list is primarially built out of Nostalgia films, and thus this will probably be the only other list I have of this sort until we get to the next Saeculum. Anyone have a name for the new Saeculum, btw? Also, the reason for including some British culture is because they were still setting the tone for how certain things should be done, up until the 1920s. I tried to limit the inclusions though.

1868 - 1872: High-high

Nostalgia Films: Gone with the Wind (1939) & North and South: Heaven and Hell (1994) & Old Yeller (1957) & Little House on the Prairie (2005) & The American (1998)

1872 - 1877: High-awakening

Nostalgia Films: The Age of Innocence (1993) & Carousel (1956)

1877 - 1882: High-unraveling

Nostalgia Films: The Yearling (1946) & Washington Square (1997) & The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007)

1882 - 1886: High-crisis

Nostalgia Films: Showboat (1936) & Showboat (1951) & The Bostonians (1984) & True Grit (2010)

1886 - 1892: Awakening-high

Nostalgia Films: Carousel (1956) & Ethan Frome (1993)

1892 - 1896: Awakening-awakening


Nostalgia Films: An Ideal Husband (1999) & Hello Dolly! (1969)

1896 - 1901: Awakening-Unraveling

Nostalgia Films: The Treasure Seekers (1996) & The Importance of Being Earnest (2002) & Carrie (1952) & She Done Him Wrong (1933) & Belle of the Nineties (1934) & The Nifty Nineties (1941)

1901 - 1908: Awakening-crisis

Nostalgia Films: Ragtime (1981) & Ah, Wilderness! (1935) & Oklahoma! (1955) & The Great Race (1965) & Pete's Dragon (1977) & The Railway Children (2000) & Major Barbara (1941) & The House of Mirth (2000) & Meet Me in St. Louis (1944)

1908 - 1912: Unraveling-high

Nostalgia Films: Titanic (1997) & Long Day's Journey Into Night (1962) & Mary Poppins (1964) & Two Weeks With Love (1950)

1912 - 1918: Unraveling-awakening

Nostalgia Films: The Music Man (1962) & Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (1968) & Somewhere in Time (1980) & The Music Man (2003) & Pollyanna (1960) & Nickelodeon (1976) & On Moonlight Bay (1951)

1918 - 1922: Unraveling-unraveling

Nostalgia Films: Johnny Got His Gun (1971) & East of Eden (1954) & Thoroughly Modern Millie (1967) & By the Light of the Silvery Moon (1953)

1922 - 1929: Unraveling-crisis

The Jazz Singer (1927)
Helen Kane (1929)

Nostalgia Films: The Great Gatsby (1974) & The Great Gatsby (2012) & Splendor in the Grass (1961) & A River Runs Through It (1992) & Something Wicked This Way Comes (1983) & Chicago (2002)

1929 - 1933: Crisis-high

Polly Tix in Washington (1933)
42nd Street (1933)

Nostalgia Films: They Shoot Horses Don't They? (1969) & Auntie Mame (1958) & Bonnie and Clyde (1967)

1933 - 1937: Crisis-awakening

State Fair (1933)
Gold Diggers of 1933 (1933)

It Happened One Night (1934)
Life Begins at Forty (1935)
Anything Goes (1936)
Swing Time (1936)
Make Way For Tomorrow (1937)

Nostalgia Films: Annie (1982) & Paper Moon (1973) & Death on the Nile (1974)

1937 - 1941: Crisis-unraveling

The Awful Truth (1937)
Bringing Up Baby (1938)
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
Bachelor Mother (1939)
The Philadelphia Story (1940)
The Maltese Falcon (1941)

Nostalgia Films: Pearl Harbor (2001) & The Notebook (2004) & The Five People You Meet In Heaven (2004) & Auntie Mame (1958) & The Way We Were (1973) & Address Unknown (1944)

1941 - 1945: Crisis-crisis

Mrs. Miniver (1942)


Nostalgia Films: War and Remembrance (1988) & Saving Private Ryan (1998) & Band of Brothers (2009) & Flags of Our Fathers (2006) & Summer of '42 (1971) & Class of '44 (1973) & South Pacific (1958) & Bridge Over the River Kwai (1957)

~Chas'88
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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Updated the majority of the Nostalgia films section. Now every section except the Unraveling-Crisis forward has at least one Nostalgia film listed. It's understandable that 1990s nostalgia films don't exist (as the Nostalgia for the period is still only fermenting and hasn't boiled over yet) and it's also intriguing that some eras have more representation in Nostalgia than others. There seem to be some eras we like more than others, apparently.

~Chas'88
Again, adding to the appropriate nostalga section: The Summer of Sam (1999), set in 1977. Of course, the film itself shows the year in which New York City left the Awakening and entered the Unraveling, and in the larger scheme of things, it belongs in the Awakening-Crisis mini-Turning, but I know that's not your reckoning so you just enter it where you feel it belongs, right.

This book depicts said year in NYC, by the way. It's hard to not to appreciate its nature as gateway from one era to another:
http://www.amazon.com/Ladies-Gentlem.../dp/0374175284
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Greenwich Village short New York Awakening (1960):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=axkC9ifSWys
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Quote Originally Posted by Tussilago View Post
Again, adding to the appropriate nostalga section: The Summer of Sam (1999), set in 1977. Of course, the film itself shows the year in which New York City left the Awakening and entered the Unraveling, and in the larger scheme of things, it belongs in the Awakening-Crisis mini-Turning, but I know that's not your reckoning so you just enter it where you feel it belongs, right.

This book depicts said year in NYC, by the way. It's hard to not to appreciate its nature as gateway from one era to another:
http://www.amazon.com/Ladies-Gentlem.../dp/0374175284
Funny how The Last Days of Disco also portrays the same thing in NYC, but does so in the early 1980s.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Millennial Saeculum List Explained

"The fifth phase [of Romance]...is a reflective, idyllic view of experience from above, in which the movement of the natural cycle has usually a prominent place. It deals with a world... [in which] the mood is a contemplative withdrawal from or sequel to action rather than a youthful preparation for it. It is... an erotic world, but it presents experience as comprehended and not as a mystery. ... [W]e notice a tendency to the moral stratification of characters. The true lovers are on the top of the hierarchy of what might be called erotic imitations, going down through the various grades of lust and passion to perversion... Such an arrangement of characters is consistent with the detached and contemplative view of society taken in this phase." -- Northrop Frye

Awakening-unraveling

The Exorcist (1973)
Harry and Tonto (1974)
The Stepford Wives (1975)
Car Wash (1976)
Rocky (1976)
Network (1976)
Saturday Night Fever (1977)
Oh, God! (1977)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
An Unmarried Woman (1978)

While simultaneously taking apart and parodying Awakening culture, the characters in these films all encounter some kind of NEGATIVE experience in being "Awakened". It's not just the happy upside, but we now experience the "morning-after" as well. The characters all have their lives changed and thrown into a chaotic or hedonistic mess that's all about self-gratification but not a true "awakening of spirit". Some unwittingly embrace it (Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Harry and Tonto, An Unmarried Woman), some struggle against it (Rocky, The Stepford Wives, The Exorcist), others get wise as to the mess and are sadder but wiser (Saturday Night Fever), and a few recognize the situation they're in but feel trapped by their lives into staying in the same pattern and expecting something different to come from it tomorrow (Car Wash, Network). In some films an actual Awakening is contrasted with what attempts to pass itself as an "Awakening" like in Oh, God! & Network. It shows that the people who are participating in the hedonistic culture yearn for an actual Awakening, but are having trouble distinguishing the difference. The desire is there, but the connection is hazy at best and not there at all for the majority of the time. There is also the theme that by becoming awakened we've not only awakened the tendency to speak to "angels"--as the Awakening-awakening was about, but we've now opened up the possibility for contact with "demons" (The Exorcist).

Nostalgia Films: Dazed & Confused (1993) & Almost Famous (2000) & Boogie Nights (1997)

The Nostalgia Films for this period also play on the theme of "this was the hangover" from the 1960s and boy was it a whopper, only in a more blatant manner at times. In Boogie Nights we see one character embrace the hedonistic chaos of the Awakening-unraveling, only to find himself victimized and hurt. The same could be said of Almost Famous. However with Dazed & Confused we get a different story of how though these characters may participate in this hedonism for the moment, that there is still a longing for something else to happen. Even in the small detail of the "every other decade theory" and the speech of how "if I ever look back and say this was the best time of my life, remind me to kill myself." Mostly though the characters agree "I don't want to look back and say I didn't have the time of my life while I was stuck in this place." The feeling is that we no longer have what was once there in the Awakening-awakening, and there is a desire for something, anything new, but in the meanwhile we're just stuck in the Awakening-unraveling, not really living, but just marking time.

~Chas'88
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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
Funny how The Last Days of Disco also portrays the same thing in NYC, but does so in the early 1980s.

~Chas'88
True. When I first watched The Last Days of Disco, which was before I hit on Strauss & Howe's work and this site, my biggest impression was in fact how completely off the mark it was. Disco was going out of business in 1980, and flops like "Xanadu" was highlighting it, but in the movie they gladly mix early to mid 80's mileues, complete with yuppie references, with events like the Comiskey Park Disco Demolition Night, which was in 1979. Come to think of it, didn't even the actors look more like from the 90's than the 80's? It couldn't even get that straight. Apparently, the director wasn't cut out to be a chronicler. This is a notoriously anachronistic and unreliable movie.

In contrast, Spike Lee's treatment of 1977 is right on the dollar, for example the ambiguity expressed about this new Punk stuff from Britain. In those early days, beholding punks with "safetypins in their cheeks" was sort of public entertainment. I even recall something similar from my own life. Like when a guy in my elder brother's class, who used to wear his hair long, returned from London in the fall of '78 or '79, hair shaven to a few millimeters length and soon spreading music around by Tubeway Army and Kraftwerk. Man, was it cool!
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Awakening-awakening

"The third phase [of Romance] is the normal quest theme. ... the quest-romance is the search of the libido or desiring self for a fulfilment that will deliver it from the anxieties of reality but will still contain that reality. The antagonists of the quest are often sinister figures, giants, ogres, witches, and magicians, that clearly have a parental origin; and yet redeemed and emancipated paternal figures are involved too... Translated into ritual terms, the quest-romance is the victory of fertility over the waste land. Fertility means food and drink, bread and wine, body and blood, the union of male and female. ... The fourth phase [is] in which the happier society is more or less visible throughout the action instead of emerging only in the last few moments. In romance then the central theme of this phase is that of the maintaining of the integrity of the innocent world against the assault of experience. ... The integrated body to be defended may be individual or social or both." -- Northrop Frye


Rosemary's Baby (1968)
Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (1969)
Sweet Charity (1969)
Easy Rider (1969)
Getting Straight (1970)
Harold and Maude (1971)
What's Up Doc? (1972)
The Harrad Experiment (1973)

Nostalgia Film: My Girl (1991) & Now and Then (1995) & Jumaji (1995) & Across the Universe (2007) & More American Graffiti (1979) & Remember the Titans (2000) & Dark Shadows (2012)

Fighting a quest of ideals and preserving the positives and upsides of being awakened at all costs. That is what this portion of the Awakening is all about. Everything is bright and new and throwing off the final shackles of the High culture are occurring on all fronts and considered to be good things and positive things. There are the first hints of a negativity to being Awakened (most notably and obviously displayed in Rosemary's Baby), but the general theme of this time period is that no matter what the negative problems are, one can just shrug them off for tomorrow ought to be a better day. This is most notable in the ending to Sweet Charity, where Charity's fiance backs out of marrying her but she moves on to live "hopefully ever after". Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice run into the situation that they just absolutely can't go through with having an orgy with people they actually care about, so instead settle for the kind of free sexual interactions they've all had success with: complete strangers, and participate in a "getting to know" ritual at the end of the film with complete strangers. Even Rosemary's Baby ends on a rather eerily "hopeful" note that although she gave birth to Satan's child, she's still the mother and he's still her son and needs to be loved--yes, even demons need love is the conclusion of the film. Harold and Maude of course ends with Maude dying but by doing so teaching Harold to "go out and love some more" and to value the value of life and "live!". Getting Straight of course is the most intellectual "fuck you" to "the man" and records the Boomer student protests on the college campuses of this period with a capitulating War Baby protagonist who goes back and forth on whether to support the system or the students--seeing the pros and cons of both--but eventually saying a gigantic "fuck you" to the old GIs and embracing the chaotic Boomers with a tinge of hope mixed in there that out of this chaos he and the Boomers can create a new order. What's Up Doc? takes this viewpoint to a more blatant level. Eunice represents the old Silent way of doing things that our protagonist Howard is caught between, with Barbra Streisand being the "new" Silent way of doing things that brings problems along with it, but in the end they're not all "that bad" as they convolutedly lead to Howard getting what he wants, then losing it, then rediscovering what he actually wants is for his life to be shaken up with a few "problems" and that "problems" aren't a bad thing. The Harrad Experiment and Easy Rider are more blatant explorations of the counterculture movement and "shake up" aimed at the old "system", but of the two, only Easy Rider ends in a truly negative manner without any hope that thing's will be better. The film begins to take that route (with the protagonists realizing they didn't get the spiritual awakening they wanted, but got the freedom and prosperity) and then the randomness of real life gets in the way and decrees that that won't be the ending of the film. The Harrad Experiment in contrast ends on a more positive note about its ideas than when it started. So what unites these films is that this is an era where problems with being "Awakened" have been discovered, but for the most part they are naively shrugged off with the thought that though there may be problems "tomorrow will be a better day". Easy Rider stands out here as saying that you might think that, but you can't control what life will throw at you.

All the nostalgia films follow the similar patterns of being "awakened" to problems in life, but take on the view that if one just keeps on persevering in fighting against them and standing up to them, that these too shall pass. Just keep believing and fighting--it'll all turn out okay in the end... you'll be different than you were, but you shall overcome.

Honestly the best song to capture the spirit of this era is this: The Impossible Dream. Like Don Quixote, you might be vanquished at times, but never give up on the fighting spirit--for if you just change the mind of one person, you've done more than most others. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, as long as you follow the quest and defend the innocent!

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LMAO!
I'm glad you thought it was funny, Tuss. I was cracking-up when I was searching for a
"Swedish Meatball"-graphic; I must admit, the IKEA-thingy was actually just a chance find.

Quote Originally Posted by Tuss
Man, I had better go and get myself some American styled fluffy pizza. With added extra saccherine.
Saccharin is a "no-no", but Pizza is definitely a "must". But, I thought you Swedes really like the
McDonald's "El Maco Grande", or my favorite:"Bacon-McFeast"!x10!(is that you dancing, Tuss?).

Quote Originally Posted by Tuss
(After all, we Euro bastards are allowed to keep our favourite prejudices about the great land in the west, aren't we?)
Of course you are(Euro-bastards, that is). But seriously, I agree with you; Those damned Canucks are just plain "Loonies"!

Ah, I've had my fun for the evening. Talk to you soon, my friend.


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I Pray for World Peace & I Choose Less-Just Say: "NO!, Thank You."







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Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)

An allegory for a Boomer's perspective of an Awakening and what it does to those awakened and those left unawakened.

In this film Roy Neary, an electrical lineman from Indiana along with several others in his community experience a viewing of an UFO sighting, after which their lives are changed forever as they become obsessed with drawing a lonely mountain--which others who've seen UFOs have been inspired to depict artistically.

This sudden inspiration becomes an obsession which dominates all other aspects of life, and causes turmoil between Roy and his family, who don't want to and can't understand the experience that Roy has undergone. This strife between "Awakened" family members and "non-Awakened" family members struck a chord as being true. The Xer children in the rush of Roy's Awakening are for the large part entirely disregarded or regulated to a position of secondary or tertiary position in terms of importance. Roy's wife, who is more scared and confused of the "awakening" of her husband than her children are, gathers up the kids and leaves Roy when it becomes too much for her to bear and the relationship between the kids and Roy begins to be damaged by the eldest Xer son taking it quite hard seeing his father utterly break down and start crying.

What struck me as most "Awakening" of it all, is that when given the chance to go with the aliens, Roy does so with little to no thought to the life he is giving up doing so. But then again the film has gone out of its way to display how the life Roy's been living is neither ideal nor worth it, and that by joining the aliens he is fulfilling some "grander role" than he could have ever had being father to his children. It has also gone into detail of how since having this experience he can never live a normal life anymore, as he suffers and nearly goes insane when not in pursuit of his awakened purpose.

What is interesting is that originally Roy was meant to be older (as the ages of the kids indicate) with Steve McQueen originally chosen for the role (he turned it down as he felt he couldn't cry on cue), and that Richard Dreyfuss talked his way into the role. As such the role does have some Silent trappings and it is obvious that it was originally written for an older man than Dreyfuss--because one doesn't quite believe that he's been settled down for quite so long enough to have felt trapped and confined--nothing seems to confine Dreyfuss' portrayal of the character and this is where I think McQueen, or Dustin Hoffman, Gene Hackman, Jack Nicholson, or even Al Pacino (all of whom were also considered for the role and all of whom were Silent as heck) would have succeeded better with the role. As such Roy is aged down to being a War Baby cusper (1944 as mentioned in the film), with Dreyfuss bringing more core Boomer to the part than I think was originally intended.


Compared with: Oh, God! (1977)

This film could be considered Roy's "Mid-Life Crisis" for it is designed to be as much akin to another 1977 film: Oh, God! in which John Denver depicts a similarly torn War Baby who is "awakened" by God himself, despite having already settled down. Interestingly enough Teri Garr portrays the wife in both films, though she is much more understanding in Oh, God! than here in Close Encounters of the Third Kind--most likely due to the fact that Oh, God! is a Silent perspective (Director: Carl Reiner & Writer: Avery Corman & Larry Gelbart) on the subject, and in their minds of course their wife would be more understanding.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind is a Boomer perspective (Director & Writer)--and thus Spielberg is more likely to have the point of view that an understanding outside party who hasn't experienced the "awakening" is little more than wishful thinking. In the Boomer perspective, each individual must have their own experience or awakening in order to understand. In the Silent perspective, one individual can have an awakening as a representative for the rest of his community, so that he may share his revelation with the rest of the community.

This difference is quite easy to understand when in Oh, God! the film is entirely about community and how we all interact and affect each others lives, thrown in with a bit of satire about the commercialization and degradation of religion as well as the rise of false preachers, which were a common themes of the mid-to-late 1970s in several different types of films.

Meanwhile in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, we have a disregard for society, for the large part, in hopes of attaining a specific experience. Society is worth saving and is worthy of reform in Oh, God!, while it is to be chased away and kept ignorant of the truth for it is not ready to accept it in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and as such nothing needs to change except for the current society to vanish (or as is done in the film, lied to) from existence so that those who want to have the "experience" can do so in privacy without pesky society getting in the way.

~Chas'88
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Quote Originally Posted by princeofcats67 View Post
I'm glad you thought it was funny, Tuss. I was cracking-up when I was searching for a
"Swedish Meatball"-graphic; I must admit, the IKEA-thingy was actually just a chance find.



Saccharin is a "no-no", but Pizza is definitely a "must". But, I thought you Swedes really like the
McDonald's "El Maco Grande", or my favorite:"Bacon-McFeast"!x10!(is that you dancing, Tuss?).
"Last Christmas, I gave you my heart, but the very next day, you gave it away..."

Obviously done by an Xer with just the slightest, taaadest bit of sarcasm.

Caption reads, "In 1983 McFeast was introduced, now as a Christmas gift with.... (wait for it) ...BACON!"

ROFL!
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Here's another one "well duh..." I do not know if it too much Xer, but anything that ends incompletely like "dude..." or "duh..." like something should be put behind it seems an Xer thing from what I have gathered.
Initially, the questions I ask when reviewing any saeculur event: What did the decision makers know about the cyclical time, when did they know it, and how did they act on that knowledge? Then I can ask the question, "what was their purpose?" I take extra special notice when reviewing events before Generations was released by Strauss-Howe.







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I was watching the Travel Channel's show Mysteries and the Museum, and it mentioned this cult which founded a commune in 1981 and got people from all over the place to gather there. By 1984 they were trying to take over the sleepy little town they were in, Antelope, Oregon. And did so by using the large attack of bio-terrorism on US soil--poisoning the salad bars of local restaurants with an enhanced strain of salmonella to keep voters sick so that the cult's candidate would win a position on the Town Council. The cult is convicted after a chemical plant is discovered on their commune's grounds with the same strain of salmonella bred there

Here's a link to the Wikipedia article. Apparently it was a Silent prophet with a Boomer representative who took matters into her own hands in order to win the election. Her candidate withdrew after realizing the salmonella poisoning was intentional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho_%2...1.E2.80.931985

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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
I was watching the Travel Channel's show Mysteries and the Museum, and it mentioned this cult which founded a commune in 1981 and got people from all over the place to gather there. By 1984 they were trying to take over the sleepy little town they were in, Antelope, Oregon. And did so by using the large attack of bio-terrorism on US soil--poisoning the salad bars of local restaurants with an enhanced strain of salmonella to keep voters sick so that the cult's candidate would win a position on the Town Council. The cult is convicted after a chemical plant is discovered on their commune's grounds with the same strain of salmonella bred there

Here's a link to the Wikipedia article. Apparently it was a Silent prophet with a Boomer representative who took matters into her own hands in order to win the election. Her candidate withdrew after realizing the salmonella poisoning was intentional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osho_%2...1.E2.80.931985

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I was living in Charlotte when they captured him at the airport. They had a whole episode of the news show Nightline dedicated to the capture. We locals jokingly called him the "bagged one" for about a year afterwards. LOL







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Hi everyone this forum seems to have died no Idea how many are still here. I'm reviving this thread because I always felt it was validated and as years have shown I think it still fits.

I don't think anyone would deny that we continue to delve deeper into crisis, just look at the world around us! I was always a person that saw 2001 (give or take maybe it was Iraq or 2005) as the beginning of the crisis and I think the Micro turning Theory still supports that. Let me show you.

1 Crisis High September 2001- Fall of 2006

9/11 obviously, a culture crystallizes of anti-terrorism increased security and panicky economics that presides over the entire crisis. Immediate responses are very 3t as people are still in 3t mode. During this period we have Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, the housing bubble kicks into high gear to prop up the economy, Patriot Act, GITMO etc.

The Culture gets darker by 2004 movies and music is more serious its clearly not the "90"s anymore America is involved in its deadliest conflict in 30 years. We build new bureaucracies, Homeland Security, increase the NSA and CIA restructure our defense create global anti-terrorism organizations Powers of the executive increase. If your not with us you are against us. Very high.

2. Crisis Awakening 2006 midterms- December of 2011

At the end of 2005 Katrina, a failing policy in the M.E and economic rumblings. usher in a new period of questioning and upsetting of the new post 9/11 order. Republicans and bush collapse, the old neocon establishment is swept away. The New Democrats searching for identity post-Clinton sweep into power. People lose trust in the "housing Boom" and it collapses around us. Obscure political figures arise all around Ron Pauls, Kucinich Elizabeth warren. Extremest politics in the form of the tea party and new found socialist and communists argue with Anarcho-capatlistis and traditionalists all using the new platform Social Media and the Internet to spread their messages. It is no surprise demigods came to power over Youtube, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck are my favorite examples, dozens of Bloggers and Vloggers on the left end of the spectrum etc. Zietgiest, Doomsday Preppers, and all other manner of ideas and cultures are mixing around. It is the Crisis Awakening the dawn of no ideas to address our crisis.

Obama is elected, hardly imaginable in the post 9/11 world but there we have it. His beginning years are full of big high ideals he manages one big agenda issue (healthcare) towards the end of the awakening. The Awakening ends with Occupy wall street in December of 2011. It seemed like it was going to be a massive movement but it came too late in the awakening. Nothing happened it fizzled. Why was this? well its because the Awakening was over the unraveling began.

3 Crisis Unraveling late 2011- Late 2015-2016???

With the fizzle of Occupy we definitely entered an unraveling, all of the new political ideas are out there and ascribed too, no other "new" ideas have come into the foray. 2012 was supposed to be a watershed election and turned out to be status quo at best. Politicians have no will to make any big changes. Internationally terrifying events are taking place but the country has no will or desire to be involved. The Arab Spring and New found aggression by Russia and China are the last thing anyone wants to deal with. We have managed to get through the last 14 years stabilize the economy get out of Iraq, but we all no the crisis isn't over, it looms over us as an elephant in the room.

As these years have gone on we've seen stagnation in all things, culture is stagnant, Economy is stagnant, Politics are stagnant. we are fast approaching the climax. Any number of events could be a climax, it wasn't the Boston Bombing, it wasn't the Syria Chemical weapons issue, It hasn't been any debt ceiling or internal political strife, it hasn't been Ukraine, or a Eurozone split, the Rise of ISIS etc. etc. But when the time is right any of these can and will initiate the final stage of the crisis.

If Micro Turnings are correct we can Expect that to happen sometime between late 2015 and late 2016

Crisis- Crisis 2015/16-2021/22

What will it be... I don't know but we will all see.

This is how I see it, I imagine if the Theory holds water the last half of this decade will see us confront the major issues of our time, The Middle East, Putin, re-tooling the economy to work in a post industrial world.


If the crisis didn't begin until the end of 2008 then we would only just be in a crisis high from 2008-2012/13? and right now in an "awakening" I just don't see that at all we are clearly in an unraveling stage after the major changes of of 2006-2011 want to test this? Think of the world in 2005 and 2012 were things even recognizable? its like we are living in a new country.

I think current events (if micro turnings are true) proves that the crisis began on 9/11







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Quote Originally Posted by Debol1990 View Post
Hi everyone this forum seems to have died no Idea how many are still here. I'm reviving this thread because I always felt it was validated and as years have shown I think it still fits.

I don't think anyone would deny that we continue to delve deeper into crisis, just look at the world around us! I was always a person that saw 2001 (give or take maybe it was Iraq or 2005) as the beginning of the crisis and I think the Micro turning Theory still supports that. Let me show you.

1 Crisis High September 2001- Fall of 2006

9/11 obviously, a culture crystallizes of anti-terrorism increased security and panicky economics that presides over the entire crisis. Immediate responses are very 3t as people are still in 3t mode. During this period we have Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, the housing bubble kicks into high gear to prop up the economy, Patriot Act, GITMO etc.

The Culture gets darker by 2004 movies and music is more serious its clearly not the "90"s anymore America is involved in its deadliest conflict in 30 years. We build new bureaucracies, Homeland Security, increase the NSA and CIA restructure our defense create global anti-terrorism organizations Powers of the executive increase. If your not with us you are against us. Very high.

2. Crisis Awakening 2006 midterms- December of 2011

At the end of 2005 Katrina, a failing policy in the M.E and economic rumblings. usher in a new period of questioning and upsetting of the new post 9/11 order. Republicans and bush collapse, the old neocon establishment is swept away. The New Democrats searching for identity post-Clinton sweep into power. People lose trust in the "housing Boom" and it collapses around us. Obscure political figures arise all around Ron Pauls, Kucinich Elizabeth warren. Extremest politics in the form of the tea party and new found socialist and communists argue with Anarcho-capatlistis and traditionalists all using the new platform Social Media and the Internet to spread their messages. It is no surprise demigods came to power over Youtube, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck are my favorite examples, dozens of Bloggers and Vloggers on the left end of the spectrum etc. Zietgiest, Doomsday Preppers, and all other manner of ideas and cultures are mixing around. It is the Crisis Awakening the dawn of no ideas to address our crisis.

Obama is elected, hardly imaginable in the post 9/11 world but there we have it. His beginning years are full of big high ideals he manages one big agenda issue (healthcare) towards the end of the awakening. The Awakening ends with Occupy wall street in December of 2011. It seemed like it was going to be a massive movement but it came too late in the awakening. Nothing happened it fizzled. Why was this? well its because the Awakening was over the unraveling began.

3 Crisis Unraveling late 2011- Late 2015-2016???

With the fizzle of Occupy we definitely entered an unraveling, all of the new political ideas are out there and ascribed too, no other "new" ideas have come into the foray. 2012 was supposed to be a watershed election and turned out to be status quo at best. Politicians have no will to make any big changes. Internationally terrifying events are taking place but the country has no will or desire to be involved. The Arab Spring and New found aggression by Russia and China are the last thing anyone wants to deal with. We have managed to get through the last 14 years stabilize the economy get out of Iraq, but we all no the crisis isn't over, it looms over us as an elephant in the room.

As these years have gone on we've seen stagnation in all things, culture is stagnant, Economy is stagnant, Politics are stagnant. we are fast approaching the climax. Any number of events could be a climax, it wasn't the Boston Bombing, it wasn't the Syria Chemical weapons issue, It hasn't been any debt ceiling or internal political strife, it hasn't been Ukraine, or a Eurozone split, the Rise of ISIS etc. etc. But when the time is right any of these can and will initiate the final stage of the crisis.

If Micro Turnings are correct we can Expect that to happen sometime between late 2015 and late 2016

Crisis- Crisis 2015/16-2021/22

What will it be... I don't know but we will all see.

This is how I see it, I imagine if the Theory holds water the last half of this decade will see us confront the major issues of our time, The Middle East, Putin, re-tooling the economy to work in a post industrial world.


If the crisis didn't begin until the end of 2008 then we would only just be in a crisis high from 2008-2012/13? and right now in an "awakening" I just don't see that at all we are clearly in an unraveling stage after the major changes of of 2006-2011 want to test this? Think of the world in 2005 and 2012 were things even recognizable? its like we are living in a new country.

I think current events (if micro turnings are true) proves that the crisis began on 9/11
Where does the unrest inspired by events such as Ferguson fit into all this? There are certainly a lot of testy wires crossing in terms of communication. It does seem as though, with the death of Occupy, that the nagging issue of extreme income inequality has stagnated along with it.







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Quote Originally Posted by Debol1990 View Post
Hi everyone this forum seems to have died no Idea how many are still here. I'm reviving this thread because I always felt it was validated and as years have shown I think it still fits.

I don't think anyone would deny that we continue to delve deeper into crisis, just look at the world around us! I was always a person that saw 2001 (give or take maybe it was Iraq or 2005) as the beginning of the crisis and I think the Micro turning Theory still supports that. Let me show you.

1 Crisis High September 2001- Fall of 2006

9/11 obviously, a culture crystallizes of anti-terrorism increased security and panicky economics that presides over the entire crisis. Immediate responses are very 3t as people are still in 3t mode. During this period we have Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, the housing bubble kicks into high gear to prop up the economy, Patriot Act, GITMO etc.

The Culture gets darker by 2004 movies and music is more serious its clearly not the "90"s anymore America is involved in its deadliest conflict in 30 years. We build new bureaucracies, Homeland Security, increase the NSA and CIA restructure our defense create global anti-terrorism organizations Powers of the executive increase. If your not with us you are against us. Very high.

2. Crisis Awakening 2006 midterms- December of 2011

At the end of 2005 Katrina, a failing policy in the M.E and economic rumblings. usher in a new period of questioning and upsetting of the new post 9/11 order. Republicans and bush collapse, the old neocon establishment is swept away. The New Democrats searching for identity post-Clinton sweep into power. People lose trust in the "housing Boom" and it collapses around us. Obscure political figures arise all around Ron Pauls, Kucinich Elizabeth warren. Extremest politics in the form of the tea party and new found socialist and communists argue with Anarcho-capatlistis and traditionalists all using the new platform Social Media and the Internet to spread their messages. It is no surprise demigods came to power over Youtube, Alex Jones, Glenn Beck are my favorite examples, dozens of Bloggers and Vloggers on the left end of the spectrum etc. Zietgiest, Doomsday Preppers, and all other manner of ideas and cultures are mixing around. It is the Crisis Awakening the dawn of no ideas to address our crisis.

Obama is elected, hardly imaginable in the post 9/11 world but there we have it. His beginning years are full of big high ideals he manages one big agenda issue (healthcare) towards the end of the awakening. The Awakening ends with Occupy wall street in December of 2011. It seemed like it was going to be a massive movement but it came too late in the awakening. Nothing happened it fizzled. Why was this? well its because the Awakening was over the unraveling began.

3 Crisis Unraveling late 2011- Late 2015-2016???

With the fizzle of Occupy we definitely entered an unraveling, all of the new political ideas are out there and ascribed too, no other "new" ideas have come into the foray. 2012 was supposed to be a watershed election and turned out to be status quo at best. Politicians have no will to make any big changes. Internationally terrifying events are taking place but the country has no will or desire to be involved. The Arab Spring and New found aggression by Russia and China are the last thing anyone wants to deal with. We have managed to get through the last 14 years stabilize the economy get out of Iraq, but we all no the crisis isn't over, it looms over us as an elephant in the room.

As these years have gone on we've seen stagnation in all things, culture is stagnant, Economy is stagnant, Politics are stagnant. we are fast approaching the climax. Any number of events could be a climax, it wasn't the Boston Bombing, it wasn't the Syria Chemical weapons issue, It hasn't been any debt ceiling or internal political strife, it hasn't been Ukraine, or a Eurozone split, the Rise of ISIS etc. etc. But when the time is right any of these can and will initiate the final stage of the crisis.

If Micro Turnings are correct we can Expect that to happen sometime between late 2015 and late 2016

Crisis- Crisis 2015/16-2021/22

What will it be... I don't know but we will all see.

This is how I see it, I imagine if the Theory holds water the last half of this decade will see us confront the major issues of our time, The Middle East, Putin, re-tooling the economy to work in a post industrial world.


If the crisis didn't begin until the end of 2008 then we would only just be in a crisis high from 2008-2012/13? and right now in an "awakening" I just don't see that at all we are clearly in an unraveling stage after the major changes of of 2006-2011 want to test this? Think of the world in 2005 and 2012 were things even recognizable? its like we are living in a new country.

I think current events (if micro turnings are true) proves that the crisis began on 9/11
My micro dates and the issues connected to it line up closely with yours. Thanks for sharing this! I've been meaning to discuss these dates here but have been hesitant because the turning folks in "this" forum tend to believe in a 2008 start date. But ever since I broke up the years into the micro turnings, I've seen patterns to sense the theme of this crisis and believe that it started in 2001. My next date would be 2003 (when the Iraq War began).

PS. the past few years have definitely produced the type of apathy and "whateverness" that would come from a micro 3T. Furthermore I've always made connections between this year and 1939/40, while 2012 definitely seemed like 1937 to me.
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Post#398 at 03-04-2015 01:11 PM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by millennialX View Post
PS. the past few years have definitely produced the type of apathy and "whateverness" that would come from a micro 3T. Furthermore I've always made connections between this year and 1939/40, while 2012 definitely seemed like 1937 to me.
No, the current situation is more like the mid 30s not the late 30s. When we reach that point, you and the rest of the world will know it. Millions will be dying at that point. When we reach the early 40s equivalent, billions will be dying and most cities will look like Warsaw / Hiroshima / Dresden or worse (maybe just a series of craters).







Post#399 at 03-04-2015 02:32 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
No, the current situation is more like the mid 30s not the late 30s. When we reach that point, you and the rest of the world will know it. Millions will be dying at that point. When we reach the early 40s equivalent, billions will be dying and most cities will look like Warsaw / Hiroshima / Dresden or worse (maybe just a series of craters).
You're quite the optimist.
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
No, the current situation is more like the mid 30s not the late 30s. When we reach that point, you and the rest of the world will know it. Millions will be dying at that point. When we reach the early 40s equivalent, billions will be dying and most cities will look like Warsaw / Hiroshima / Dresden or worse (maybe just a series of craters).
On that note, the current situation is definitely one of being like a stopped up drain. The politicians are ineffective, the economy is ineffective, conflict is starting to happen around the world. Domestically, we have reached a point where the populace is polarizing under the false flag Red and Blue banners, which is I believe being deliberately organized by the powers behind the curtain, but there also seems to be a number of people, like myself who are starting to reject both. I say it's being deliberately organized because the rhetoric from even the people is too coordinated and much of it comes down from the media mouthpieces. Over the last several months, I've been noticing a ratcheting up of tensions between the groups and a growing intolerance. It is becoming clear that cooperation and mutual respect are not possible and every case is a matter of cramming your way down the opposition's throat. Again, over the last several months, I've been noticing a trend with more and more people saying that they believe the only solution to the problems in America is to stop talking and start fighting against the government and against others of the "opposite" political persuasion with a feeling that ones very way of life is at stake.
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