Originally Posted by Eric the Green

That's all that was necessary. Why waste words on you?

Why not waste them? Do you not wish to show off your skill and tallent at defeating my "tired old materialist world view"?

Yes it does, but black holes are not necessary for it to do that. The very idea of cause does that. Or the very idea of space, time or distance. Infinity is infinitely ubiquitous.

Not that I expect you to understand what a black hole is...but if the mathmatical equations behind the theory of black holes consistantly runs into a problem of infinite smallness being met with infinite density then the equations of how we understand the laws of physics breaks down.

Infinity (which is not a number in and of itself) is mathematically speaking cheating.

You didn't find it then either, in that case. Once people find real spiritualism, they don't go back.

I may change, but at this point, I am far more likely to get even more spiritualist than otherwise.

The world comes from within outward, among all of us. That is the only foundation of virtue. Anything else is just reaction; living death.

First I don't think you are qualified to tell me whether or not I've found real spiritualism. I certainly did find out that all those who have proposed spiritual systems ultimately are frauds and their hypotheses are little more than nonsense decorated with tensile.

Second, I may too change. But if I do change I'll become an even more hard-line materialist. The world comes from the outside in. It exists outside of me, and I construct ideas that are reflections of that which exists. Anything else is just wishful thinking.

You are wrong, and I still have an abundant understanding of materialism; better than you and most materialists.

If this is true then why have you not bested me yet in any argument on this topic? Surely if you are so wise you could. If you are the messiah show us a miracle.

When I was a student, science teachers would say I had the best knowledge and intelligence around the subject of anyone in the class.

Oh really? I find that hard to believe since I've often caught you in compromising positions due to you not recognizing the proper use of punctuation. Like I said in an other thread, you need to see about getting a refund for you diploma--in that instance your Jr High School diploma.

Or is it that you went to school in the mid 1500s rather than the mid 1900s? That would explain how such a "gifted" student could some 40 or 50 years later make the absurd claim that trees undergo seasonal processes on the basis of them having consciousness!

So that is your problem with "nihilism" then? You like to paste that label on me, just because I say that what doesn't exist, doesn't exist. But I don't agree with "Its just your opinion, man".

As I've said I personally don't have a problem with your nihilism. But apparently you do. I know it bothers. I know you think you are oh so opaque, when you are as transparent as a newly cleaned pane of clear glass.

And yes Post-Modernism can be distilled down into "Its just your opinion, man."

http://theredphoenixapl.org/2010/12/...llusive-truth/

Ironically, there is a guy (at least one) who objects to me pasting that "post-modernist" label on him.

If you are refering to me, yes I do have a problem with being called a post-modernist. Mostly because Marxism is completely unrelated to that school of philosophy (or rather lack of philosophy). Marxism is materialist, post-modernism is the ultimate expression of idealism.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Why not waste them? Do you not wish to show off your skill and tallent at defeating my "tired old materialist world view"?

I can never defeat you. I can't stop a machine that is put on perpetual repeat. You are younger than me; I know I am young for my age and all, but I'm not claiming I will out live you. Unless you "die before you get old" by killing yourself in 2046 so you don't have to experience the next Awakening. But then, I would be almost 100 by then.

First I don't think you are qualified to tell me whether or not I've found real spiritualism. I certainly did find out that all those who have proposed spiritual systems ultimately are frauds and their hypotheses are little more than nonsense decorated with tensile.

Second, I may too change. But if I do change I'll become an even more hard-line materialist. The world comes from the outside in. It exists outside of me, and I construct ideas that are reflections of that which exists. Anything else is just wishful thinking.

You should memorize Sargent Schultz. You know who he is and what he said?

Your second paragraph is so absurd, that you must not mean what you say, but are just saying it to upset me. That is what you claim too. You say you are not debating me. Therefore, any point you make to me is absurd by your own admission.

If this is true then why have you not bested me yet in any argument on this topic? Surely if you are so wise you could. If you are the messiah show us a miracle.

Yes, it would be a miracle. Which however, would be nothing more than stopping a mindless machine on perpetual repeat, with action at a distance. Maybe I'll work on it.

Or is it that you went to school in the mid 1500s rather than the mid 1900s? That would explain how such a "gifted" student could some 40 or 50 years later make the absurd claim that trees undergo seasonal processes on the basis of them having consciousness!

Trees are conscious, so just go and ask them. What is evil is denying consciousness to other living things. That is why you materialists are destroying all life on the planet, and mistreat animals as if they do not suffer.

Now, if I did go to school in the 1500s, that would disprove a lot of things about your world view, wouldn't it!

As I've said I personally don't have a problem with your nihilism. But apparently you do. I know it bothers. I know you think you are oh so opaque, when you are as transparent as a newly cleaned pane of clear glass.

Thanks; I try to be. That is the goal of meditation.

And yes Post-Modernism can be distilled down into "Its just your opinion, man."

I didn't say it couldn't be. I said I wasn't.

If you are refering to me, yes I do have a problem with being called a post-modernist. Mostly because Marxism is completely unrelated to that school of philosophy (or rather lack of philosophy). Marxism is materialist, post-modernism is the ultimate expression of idealism.

Why in God's name would I waste my time referring to you?

No, post-modernism is just disillusion with progress. Idealism is not relativism.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I can never defeat you. I can't stop a machine that is put on perpetual repeat.

Now you know how I feel. Same old tired arguments day after day after day. But see here's the thing, I will win. Rags got the Xer totem animal right. We are honey badgers--at least I am.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/e85...s-honey-badger

You are younger than me; I know I am young for my age

No you are your age. There is no such thing as being "young" for one's age. And yes I'm younger than you.

and all, but I'm not claiming I will out live you. Unless you "die before you get old" by killing yourself in 2046 so you don't have to experience the next Awakening. But then, I would be almost 100 by then.

I highly doubt you'll live to see 100. And I have no intention of offing myself in 2046. I'll probably go off to a cave though so I can pass the next period of people acting with no sense or decency, aka "awakening", in peace though.

You should memorize Sargent Schultz. You know who he is and what he said?

Your attempt at this a joke of that nature is stupid. While Sgt Schultz said "I know nothingk!" he actually knew exactly everything that was going on in the camp. If you didn't know that you either A) didn't watch Hogan's Heros or B) didn't understand it. Probably the latter rather than the former. There was like what 2 channels on the TV back when it was running.

Your second paragraph is so absurd, that you must not mean what you say, but are just saying it to upset me. That is what you claim too. You say you are not debating me. Therefore, any point you make to me is absurd by your own admission.

Yes it must be absurd because there is no possible way that one could become over time more convinced of their own position. Strangely I actually am a materialist, I am a realist Eric. Making you upset comes naturally so I stopped trying to fight it.

Watch the Honey Badger video again. Maybe you'll understand.

Yes, it would be a miracle. Which however, would be nothing more than stopping a mindless machine on perpetual repeat, with action at a distance. Maybe I'll work on it.

Careful there. I am armed. And I know how to use those arms. But yes a mindless machine on perpetual repeat--defiantly describes you.

Trees are conscious, so just go and ask them.

I did. The tree just stood there. They do not require consciousness to respond to stimuli. Consciousness is the province of more complex animals only. And thats being generous. For all I can truly know it is a property of myself alone.

What is evil is denying consciousness to other living things. That is why you materialists are destroying all life on the planet, and mistreat animals as if they do not suffer.

What is evil is denying reality. Consciousness is a non-phenomenon and cannot be detected scientifically. Therefore from a scientific perspective it may as well not exist. As to materialists destroying the planet, well you like your steak don't you? How about your shoes, car, computer, any goods you have in your abode. All of that stuff--brought to you by materialism. Now if you want to go live in a cave some where, fine. Go do that. In fact be sure you reject all modern technology while you do that.

I've told you before I could respect your position more if like the Amish you put your money where your mouth is. But in typical boomer fashion all talk, no action.

As to mistreating animals--well my cat would disagree with you. However, animals mistreat other animals. What is your point?

Now, if I did go to school in the 1500s, that would disprove a lot of things about your world view, wouldn't it!

I was mocking you. It was pretty obvious that I was. That you did not pick up on that. Well that speaks for itself.

Thanks; I try to be. That is the goal of meditation.

Meditation with a goal is a failed meditation. Meditation with a goal in mind is doomed to failure. One cannot study their consciousness through meditation by imposing goals upon the practice of meditation.

But of course I already knew that sitting in oblivion was beyond your rational.

I didn't say it couldn't be. I said I wasn't.

Utter nonsense. You've denied the actual state of reality. You've already crossed the line into post-modernist "thats just your opinion, man" territory. It is the ultimate expression of idealism after all.

Why in God's name would I waste my time referring to you?

Because it was in a reply to me. That would be a logical assumption. Of course you could be calling some other materialist that. In which case yes I can see how they would not like it very much at all.

No, post-modernism is just disillusion with progress. Idealism is not relativism.

You know if I didn't shave my head like a buddhist monk for aesthetic purposes I'd start pulling my hair about about now.

Progress is a relative term. Progress can only be measured between state A and state B in a given system and assigning it a given direction. There is nothing to be disillusioned about. Progress is either occurring or it is not.

Rather post modernism is the rejection not just of some truth but all truth. Particularly material truths that are literally impossible to ignore. It can best be expressed as an agnosticism of everything. It is utterly useless and completely idealist in nature.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Now you know how I feel. Same old tired arguments day after day after day. But see here's the thing, I will win. Rags got the Xer totem animal right. We are honey badgers--at least I am.

No you are your age. There is no such thing as being "young" for one's age. And yes I'm younger than you.

I highly doubt you'll live to see 100. And I have no intention of offing myself in 2046. I'll probably go off to a cave though so I can pass the next period of people acting with no sense or decency, aka "awakening", in peace though.

Go in peace then. You win.

Your attempt at this a joke of that nature is stupid. While Sgt Schultz said "I know nothingk!" he actually knew exactly everything that was going on in the camp. If you didn't know that you either A) didn't watch Hogan's Heros or B) didn't understand it. Probably the latter rather than the former. There was like what 2 channels on the TV back when it was running.

You know nothing. That's the point.

Yes it must be absurd because there is no possible way that one could become over time more convinced of their own position. Strangely I actually am a materialist, I am a realist Eric. Making you upset comes naturally so I stopped trying to fight it.

Watch the Honey Badger video again. Maybe you'll understand.

I'll watch your video when you listen to 10 Bieber songs, all the way through, 10 times each. Just go to the thread and you'll see them. Until then, forget it.

Careful there. I am armed. And I know how to use those arms.

Arms cannot stop psychic action.

I did. The tree just stood there. They do not require consciousness to respond to stimuli. Consciousness is the province of more complex animals only. And that's being generous. For all I can truly know it is a property of myself alone.

You truly believe that. Believe what you want.

What is evil is denying reality. Consciousness is a non-phenomenon and cannot be detected scientifically. Therefore from a scientific perspective it may as well not exist. As to materialists destroying the planet, well you like your steak don't you? How about your shoes, car, computer, any goods you have in your abode. All of that stuff--brought to you by materialism. Now if you want to go live in a cave some where, fine. Go do that. In fact be sure you reject all modern technology while you do that.

I've told you before I could respect your position more if like the Amish you put your money where your mouth is. But in typical boomer fashion all talk, no action.

As to mistreating animals--well my cat would disagree with you. However, animals mistreat other animals. What is your point?

My point is people like you mistreat animals and plants because you don't think they are conscious. And I don't like steak. Materialism has brought us nothing but trouble. Science was advanced by Platonists, alchemists and astrologers like Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, DaVinci, etc.

I was mocking you. It was pretty obvious that I was. That you did not pick up on that. Well that speaks for itself.

I was mocking you. It was pretty obvious that I was. That you did not pick up on that. Well that speaks for itself.

Meditation with a goal is a failed meditation. Meditation with a goal in mind is doomed to failure. One cannot study their consciousness through meditation by imposing goals upon the practice of meditation.

But of course I already knew that sitting in oblivion was beyond your rational.

You teaching me about meditation is a goal doomed to failure. I should just as soon learn from a rabbit.

Utter nonsense. You've denied the actual state of reality. You've already crossed the line into post-modernist "thats just your opinion, man" territory. It is the ultimate expression of idealism after all.

Progress is a relative term. Progress can only be measured between state A and state B in a given system and assigning it a given direction. There is nothing to be disillusioned about. Progress is either occurring or it is not.

Rather post modernism is the rejection not just of some truth but all truth. Particularly material truths that are literally impossible to ignore. It can best be expressed as an agnosticism of everything. It is utterly useless and completely idealist in nature.

You know nothing about idealism. I choose to discover, speak and share the truth, as I know it. Bothersome gnats like you disagree and mock what I say. Go ahead. I will continue to discover, speak and share the truth as I know it. I will never say never. That is the lesson from Spirit. That is who I need to listen to. I don't need you.

I saw The Joy of Sox tonight. Much better than the Oscars. It shows some of the research of the effects of consciousness on the world.

About The Joy of Sox, from the website:
http://thejoyofsoxmovie.com/about.html

Imagine fans who believe they have an impact on the outcome of games through their prayer and positive intentions. Imagine ballplayers who believe that their home stadium gives them an unseen advantage. And imagine laboratory experiments which prove that invisible forces connect people at a distance.
...
On deck: The Joy of Sox, a new documentary film that touches all the bases from Western science to Eastern metaphysics as it explores the physics of the home field advantage, the power of Red Sox fandom's positive intentions, and the phenomenon of "conditioned spaces'" a term which describes the healing powers of Lourdes, but just as fitting for Fenway Park - a modern sacred space. As developed by two award winning filmmakers and one Harvard psychiatrist, this project has the potential to be a Grand Slam.

The Joy of Sox bridges the gap between the world of sports fans and the world of healing energy devotees like no other book or video. The film looks at the powerful interactions between fans and ballplayers through the window of subtle energy, that mysterious force referred to by mystics and healers through the ages, a force which can now be explained by a host of new "weird science" experiments that are as provocative as they are sound.

Interviews

With personal insights from Red Sox players, confessions from Fenway Park fans, observations from noted baseball commentators, and interviews with prominent scientists and energy medicine clinicians, The Joy of Sox will prove that the well-known "home field advantage" is the result of more than just loud noise and familiar settings. New research into remote attention, healing prayer, and interpersonal brainwave interactions will reveal how invisible forces connect people to bring about peak performance. Actual computer studies performed at Fenway Park will prove the existence of invisible "fan energy" and its impact on their team, and viewers will even learn simple techniques to boost their cheers' impact.

Leading edge scientists and thinkers have provided answers and reasoning behind these phenomena, and well-known sports figures have chimed in. Through these multiple perspectives, we hope to show how the intangibles in sports, and in life, are more real than we've ever imagined. Interviews include:
Larry Dossey MD — founding editor, Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine
Rollin McCraty PhD — Director of Research, HeartMath Institute
C. Norman Shealy MD, PhD — founder, American Holistic Medical Association
Michael Murphy — founder of Esalen Institute; author Golf in the Kingdom
Marilyn Schlitz PhD — Director of Research, Institute of Noetic Sciences
William Tiller PhD — Professor Emeritus, Stanford University
Dan Shaughnessy — Boston Globe sports columnist
Jerry Remy — New England Sports Network TV broadcaster
Steve Burton — Sportscaster, WBZ-TV, Boston
David Ortiz — Red Sox player
Mike Timlin — Red Sox player
Gabe Kapler — former Red Sox player
Kevin Millar — former Red Sox player
Bill "Spaceman" Lee — former Red Sox player
Johnny Pesky — former Red Sox player and Fenway legend
Significance of the Project

This project has the potential to change the way people think about the power of their own minds in influencing their own lives and the impact they can have on others, particularly professional sports teams. It will bring revolutionary developments in emerging field of consciousness research to a wide public audience. By using as a vehicle the story of a wildly popular sports team, the World Champion Boston Red Sox, we'll show how otherwise esoteric-sounding concepts and forces help to explain many familiar everyday events and experiences.

When viewers see scientific proof that invisible forces affect the course of baseball games, they'll also begin to look at the role of those same forces - mental focus, intention, prayer, group cohesion - in their everyday lives. Our hope is that viewers will be changed by the film, and encouraged to further explore their own energy processes and the role that intention plays in the creation of their own lives, both individually and collectively. ...

The Joy of Sox can also be utilized for educational purposes as the genesis of a discussion/debate on the power of positive intentions and the efficacy of healing prayer. ...

Here are some links to some consciousness scientists and researchers:
http://thejoyofsoxmovie.com/links.html


Comments on this post from vandal troll and kinser clown should be disregarded. I will ignore them.

Another personal note. I followed the San Francisco Giants last year in their championship post season. They did some amazing, record-breaking things in it. San Francisco, a new age hotbed, has some good energy going now too with their team.

This website might be interesting to explore. His comments during the movie were some of the most interesting from a scientific point of view.
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
The Global Consciousness Project
Meaningful Correlations in Random Data

Coherent consciousness creates order in the world

Subtle interactions link us with each other and the Earth

When human consciousness becomes coherent and synchronized, the behavior of random systems may change. Quantum event based random number generators (RNGs) produce completely unpredictable sequences of zeroes and ones. But when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured. The probability is less than one in a billion that the effect is due to chance. The evidence suggests an emerging noosphere, or the unifying field of consciousness described by sages in all cultures.

The Global Consciousness Project is an international, multidisciplinary collaboration of scientists and engineers. We collect data continuously from a global network of physical random number generators located in 70 host sites around the world. The data are transmitted to a central archive which now contains more than 12 years of random data in parallel sequences of synchronized 200-bit trials every second.

Our purpose is to examine subtle correlations that reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world. We hypothesize that there will be structure in what should be random data, associated with major global events. The data overall show a highly significant departure from expectation, confirming this prediction. Go to the Main Menu on the left to learn how the science is done. For some philosophical and interpretive perspectives, look to the Aesthetics menu.

Subtle but real effects of consciousness are important scientifically, but their real power is more direct. They encourage us to make essential, healthy changes in the great systems that dominate our world. Large scale group consciousness has effects in the physical world. Knowing this, we can intentionally work toward a brighter, more conscious future.

http://youtu.be/cnvJfkI5NVc

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Go in peace then. You win.

Of course I did. I won first then I did battle like Sun Tsu said.

You know nothing. That's the point.

I've already explained how you're misusing the meme. But POC is right about you.

I'll watch your video when you listen to 10 Bieber songs, all the way through, 10 times each. Just go to the thread and you'll see them. Until then, forget it.

When someone's mind is both empty and closed it will never be filled. I've actually been subjected to 10 bieber songs already, I have no need to listen to them 9 more times to know that I'd rather beat my skull in with a hammer than subject myself to that again.

Arms cannot stop psychic action.

LOL.

You truly believe that. Believe what you want.

Yes I do. Not that my belief was necessary for that to be the reality. Reality doesn't really care if you believe in it or not. What matters is if reality believes in you.

My point is people like you mistreat animals and plants because you don't think they are conscious. And I don't like steak. Materialism has brought us nothing but trouble. Science was advanced by Platonists, alchemists and astrologers like Newton, Kepler, Copernicus, DaVinci, etc.

1. The only animals I've "mistreated" personally are other homo sapiens. And usually they deserve it. I'm not responible for the actions of others though.

2. Good I'm glad you don't like steak. More steak for me then.

3. All of those alchemists and astrolgers your list were concerned with understanding the how and why things worked on the basis of observed material reality (except probably the platonists). Materialism has brought us far more benefit through science and invention than magic ever did.

I was mocking you. It was pretty obvious that I was. That you did not pick up on that. Well that speaks for itself.

Good to know you can use the copy and paste tools.

You teaching me about meditation is a goal doomed to failure. I should just as soon learn from a rabbit.

I'm sure there are many things a rabbit could teach you. Meditation may be one of them. I know that despite your protestations Lao Tsu, Buddha, and many others who developed meditative techniques failed. Perhaps they are beyond your capacity--so a rabbit might do the trick.

You know nothing about idealism. I choose to discover, speak and share the truth, as I know it. Bothersome gnats like you disagree and mock what I say. Go ahead. I will continue to discover, speak and share the truth as I know it. I will never say never. That is the lesson from Spirit. That is who I need to listen to. I don't need you.

I know plenty about idealism--hence why I'm not an idealist.

As for you discovering anything, much less truth I've yet to see you say anything that was remotely true. And if you have, well Law of Blind Chance. Idealism offers no truth, there is no spirit to take lessons from. All you have done is delude yourself further.

But you embarssing yourself on a public forum has been plenty entertaining.

Also Eric, putting me on ignore only works if you actually ignore me. Just a hint.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

This website might be interesting to explore. His comments during the movie were some of the most interesting from a scientific point of view.
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
The Global Consciousness Project
Meaningful Correlations in Random Data

Coherent consciousness creates order in the world

Subtle interactions link us with each other and the Earth

When human consciousness becomes coherent and synchronized, the behavior of random systems may change. Quantum event based random number generators (RNGs) produce completely unpredictable sequences of zeroes and ones. But when a great event synchronizes the feelings of millions of people, our network of RNGs becomes subtly structured. The probability is less than one in a billion that the effect is due to chance. The evidence suggests an emerging noosphere, or the unifying field of consciousness described by sages in all cultures.

The Global Consciousness Project is an international, multidisciplinary collaboration of scientists and engineers. We collect data continuously from a global network of physical random number generators located in 70 host sites around the world. The data are transmitted to a central archive which now contains more than 12 years of random data in parallel sequences of synchronized 200-bit trials every second.

Our purpose is to examine subtle correlations that reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world. We hypothesize that there will be structure in what should be random data, associated with major global events. The data overall show a highly significant departure from expectation, confirming this prediction. Go to the Main Menu on the left to learn how the science is done. For some philosophical and interpretive perspectives, look to the Aesthetics menu.

Subtle but real effects of consciousness are important scientifically, but their real power is more direct. They encourage us to make essential, healthy changes in the great systems that dominate our world. Large scale group consciousness has effects in the physical world. Knowing this, we can intentionally work toward a brighter, more conscious future.

http://youtu.be/cnvJfkI5NVc

From wiki "According to The Age, Nelson concedes "the data, so far, is not solid enough for global consciousness to be said to exist at all. It is not possible, for example, to look at the data and predict with any accuracy what (if anything) the eggs may be responding to."[24]

That's from the guy who started the program and is still running it. It's been 14 years, how many years of no data will it take for you to admit it doesn't exist?

Well, I see that no-one has responded to my posts yet

I wonder what Rags has to say about what "heavy metal" music does to the 60% of us that is water. He hee!

http://youtu.be/FeFuc-qFKoA?t=3m40s

http://youtu.be/FeFuc-qFKoA



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I wonder what Rags has to say about what "heavy metal" music does to the 60% of us that is water. He hee!

http://youtu.be/FeFuc-qFKoA?t=3m40s

http://youtu.be/FeFuc-qFKoA



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8

The only thing amazing about that video is that anyone could possibly believe that that pseudoscientific gobbledygook is in anyway validated. Pure hogwash that coldn't even bother to spell Bohr's name correctly.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I wonder what Rags has to say about what "heavy metal" music does to the 60% of us that is water. He hee!

It does nothing. If the 60% of me which is water froze, I'd be dead of frostbite.





[youtube_share;FeFuc-qFKoA]http://youtu.be/FeFuc-qFKoA]

What's this? A video of something fucking a piece of iron? This is sort of kinky, but oh well, there are those plastic dolls and such.

Originally Posted by Vandal'72

The only thing amazing about that video is that anyone could possibly believe that that pseudoscientific gobbledygook is in anyway validated. Pure hogwash that coldn't even bother to spell Bohr's name correctly.

Or fucking iron causes iron overload that kills brain cells. That statement of fact certainly means altered consciousness.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Of course I did. I won first then I did battle like Sun Tsu said.

A wise source I might add.

When someone's mind is both empty and closed it will never be filled. I've actually been subjected to 10 Ratt songs already, I have no need to listen to them 9 more times to know that I'd rather beat my skull in with a hammer than subject myself to that again.

Speaking of beating, I don't think you know who is a good role model by beating on paparazzi. It's juvenile and promotes violence on impressionable young minds (target audience). Now, wrt rap, there in no pretense of "being a goody two shoes". Rap is more of a

Life is pretty shitty,
when you live on the streets with no pity,
no hope in this city,
it makes on really gritty.

Also Eric, putting me on ignore only works if you actually ignore me. Just a hint.

Heh. Join the club. Eric only revealed today that he has me on ignore. So yeah, ignore only works if you don't click on "show post". That's a pretty damn simple rule.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

It does nothing. If the 60% of me which is water froze, I'd be dead of frostbite.

Nice dodge!

Hint: freezing is only what allows the effect to be seen.

Who put whom on ignore???

Of course, I do tend to ignore your heavy metal videos. But not always.

Oooh, this is pretty interesting. Quantum and String Theory may be putting vandal and kinser, the reactionary leftist materialists, on ignore in the world of science soon! They think they know 100% of everything, all the time, but their scientists only claim 4% now!

So here we have physics as Seinfeld: a science about nothing! And time stops, just as the mystics say! Ether is back!!

http://youtu.be/XDAJinQL2c0?t=26m50s



Interesting that the previous video I posted does have the letters FeFuc.

When someone's mind is both empty and closed it will never be filled.

Oooh, the kinser and vandal motto!!

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Oooh, this is pretty interesting. Quantum and String Theory may be putting vandal and kinser, the reactionary leftist materialists, on ignore in the world of science soon! They think they know 100% of everything, all the time, but their scientists only claim 4% now!

So here we have physics as Seinfeld: a science about nothing! And time stops, just as the mystics say! Ether is back!!

http://youtu.be/XDAJinQL2c0?t=26m50s



Interesting that the previous video I posted does have the letters FeFuc.


Oooh, the kinser and vandal motto!!

Your comments about the video are crystal clear signs that you didn't understand a single thing that was said. Do you really think this video had anything in it that I didn't already know? There is absolutely nothing about quantum mechanics and string theory that refutes the position of materialism. Only someone who just pretends to understand those topics might arrive at such a conclusion.

Give it up. You are way out of your depth.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Oooh, this is pretty interesting. Quantum and String Theory may be putting vandal and kinser, the reactionary leftist materialists, on ignore in the world of science soon! They think they know 100% of everything, all the time, but their scientists only claim 4% now!

So here we have physics as Seinfeld: a science about nothing! And time stops, just as the mystics say! Ether is back!!

http://youtu.be/XDAJinQL2c0?t=26m50s



Interesting that the previous video I posted does have the letters FeFuc.


Oooh, the kinser and vandal motto!!

Honestly, I hope you didn't watch the entire 52 minutes to be that far off from understanding what he was saying...

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

A wise source I might add.

Sun Tsu was very wise. His tactics have been used over and over again to achieve victory. In the end nothing succeeds like success.

Now if I could just figure out how to play Go without getting my head handed to me.

Speaking of beating, I don't think you know who is a good role model by beating on paparazzi. It's juvenile and promotes violence on impressionable young minds (target audience).

Yeah I heard about it when I was flipping off Entertainment Tonight a couple of weeks ago. And no I don't actually watch that show, it just comes on after the local news (and well I need to know what the weather is going to be--since that is the only reason to watch the local news).

Of course it could also be a publicity stunt.

Now, wrt rap, there in no pretense of "being a goody two shoes". Rap is more of a

Life is pretty shitty,
when you live on the streets with no pity,
no hope in this city,
it makes on really gritty.

Well I've noticed that even Xers who don't like rap will admit "At least its honest", unless of course we're talking about "pop-hop".

Heh. Join the club. Eric only revealed today that he has me on ignore. So yeah, ignore only works if you don't click on "show post". That's a pretty damn simple rule.

Indeed. Strangely that is also why I never put anyone on ignore. I find it easier to ignore them if I don't have that "show post" button in my face.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Honestly, I hope you didn't watch the entire 52 minutes to be that far off from understanding what he was saying...

I did watch it all, but I don't understand everything.

But his final conclusion is that the universe is a bunch of 0 and 1s. He does depend a lot on the physics of black holes, but he covers a lot of ground. Imagine, you guys think you know so much, when 96% of the universe known so far is not even known to have the traits of elementary particles! (and he does call it "ether" so the ether IS back!). Another interesting idea, although derived from "the hole," is (I think it was Wheeler's, or was it Richard Feynman's) statement that "IT is a bit." The whole universe is reflected in each bit of it; probably meaning each bit of information. He calls this "holographic" too. If that isn't a validation of astrological principle (as above, so below), I don't know what is! The universe is a hologram, just what the esoteric hermetic philosophers have said all along. All together, lots to upset you guys. But you will not doubt hide from the truth again and again and deny it; I would be disappointed if you did not live up to your prescribed roles here!

His graph was interesting that showed that not only is the universe accelerating in its expansion, but the acceleration is expanding too. It expanded fast, then the expansion slowed down, and then it speeded up again! It seems to me like something is being created; what is that "blue cloud??" I won't speculate, like other new agers do.....

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I did watch it all, but I don't understand anything. <snip>.

Basically as I thought. I did watch the video, I understood much of it, most of the black hole stuff was over my head. (Yes, I will admit that it was over my head.)

However that video did not in any way, shape or form refute materialism. As usual Eric is deliberately and consciously misunderstanding science to back up his anti-science.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I did watch it all, but I don't understand everything.

But his final conclusion is that the universe is a bunch of 0 and 1s. He does depend a lot on the physics of black holes, but he covers a lot of ground. Imagine, you guys think you know so much, when 96% of the universe known so far is not even known to have the traits of elementary particles! (and he does call it "ether" so the ether IS back!). Another interesting idea, although derived from "the hole," is (I think it was Wheeler's, or was it Richard Feinman's) statement that "IT is a bit." The whole universe is reflected in each bit of it; probably meaning each bit of information. He calls this "holographic" too. If that isn't a validation of astrological principle (as above, so below), I don't know what is! The universe is a hologram, just what the esoteric hermetic philosophers have said all along. All together, lots to upset you guys. But you will not doubt hide from the truth again and again and deny it; I would be disappointed if you did not live up to your prescribed roles here!

His graph was interesting that showed that not only is the universe accelerating in its expansion, but the acceleration is expanding too. It expanded fast, then the expansion slowed down, and then it speeded up again! It seems to me like something is being created; what is that "blue cloud??" I won't speculate, like other new agers do.....

Um yeah... Just so you know there wasn't a single idea in that video that hasn't been around for quite some time now, nor is any of it "upsetting". In fact, I have stated on this forum on more than one occasion (possibly in this thread) that the universe, at least in some cases, can appear to be digital and quantized. This not a new idea, it's an old one.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Nice dodge!

Hint: freezing is only what allows the effect to be seen.

No. The video showed the structure of ice, not water. Water is a liquid and since it's an inanimate object, "it" doesn't care if there's Mozart or a freight train rumbling by. Matter in the form of gas/liquid/solid is funny that way. They just transmit sound. You can hear stuff because there's air. If you were in outer space which is a near vacuum, you'd hear nothing. Anthropomorphizing inanimate things is just weird. What does this "experiment" do if mercury instead of water were used? What would the 2 different sounds do on the sun where matter is in the form of plasma? Here's another example.


E5150 part of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDQTUfLds-E


If you have a good set woofers, this song will make the room shake. The bass frequency is low enough to do that sort of thing. Likewise it would make water turning to ice look weird, I'm sure. Again, no woo-woo. That's just what low frequency sounds do. If low bass sounds are "bad", then I'd need to avoid whales and elephants since that's how they communicate. In fact they're even worse since their bass is so low, humans can't hear all of the sounds they make. There's a word for that, sub-sonic.

Who put whom on ignore???

You implied I made the list via "hall of shame".

Of course, I do tend to ignore your heavy metal videos. But not always.

That's you prerogative.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

No. The video showed the structure of ice, not water. Water is a liquid and since it's an inanimate object, "it" doesn't care if there's Mozart or a freight train rumbling by. Matter in the form of gas/liquid/solid is funny that way. They just transmit sound. You can hear stuff because there's air. If you were in outer space which is a near vacuum, you'd hear nothing. Anthropomorphizing inanimate things is just weird. What does this "experiment" do if mercury instead of water were used? What would the 2 different sounds do on the sun where matter is in the form of plasma?

Ask Dr. Emoto. The observable facts are that water forms nice patterns to good thoughts and good music, and very bad patterns to bad music and thoughts. There was no proposal that water is animate. The idea is that our thoughts have power.

You implied I made the list via "hall of shame".

I said what I meant; it was quite clear to start with. But it's fine if you want to make a joke out of it. The big colorful letters were pretty.

Originally Posted by Copperfield

Um yeah... Just so you know there wasn't a single idea in that video that hasn't been around for quite some time now, nor is any of it "upsetting". In fact, I have stated on this forum on more than one occasion (possibly in this thread) that the universe, at least in some cases, can appear to be digital and quantized. This not a new idea, it's an old one.

But one that seems to be getting more support nowadays; not only that it appears to be information, but IS information. In other words, not "made" of some impenetrable bits of stuff that are exclusive to a bit of "space."

Quite some time? I guess time is relative, but 10 years ago people thought the universe was expanding and that the rate of expansion was not speeding up.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

I did watch it all, but I don't understand everything.

SOP for you.

But his final conclusion is that the universe is a bunch of 0 and 1s.

Nope. Analogies are not reality.

He does depend a lot on the physics of black holes, but he covers a lot of ground. Imagine, you guys think you know so much, when 96% of the universe known so far is not even known to have the traits of elementary particles! (and he does call it "ether" so the ether IS back!).

No he didn't. He said it's analogous to the age of the aether. Analogies are not reality.

Another interesting idea, although derived from "the hole," is (I think it was Wheeler's, or was it Richard Feinman's) statement that "IT is a bit."

It was Wheeler. And the statement is "It from the bit".

The whole universe is reflected in each bit of it; probably meaning each bit of information.

No. That is not what it meant. That is what you wish it meant.

He calls this "holographic" too. If that isn't a validation of astrological principle (as above, so below), I don't know what is! The universe is a hologram, just what the esoteric hermetic philosophers have said all along.

Once again, you think you understand the idea because of the word hologram. When cosmologists are using the term it does not mean what you mean with the word.

All together, lots to upset you guys. But you will not doubt hide from the truth again and again and deny it; I would be disappointed if you did not live up to your prescribed roles here!

Man. You are a moron. That video simply highlighted what the process of science has revealed about the universe at scales beyond our typical experiences. That same process has repeatedly demonstrated that your wishes about reality are simply imaginary. Once again, you believe the science when you think it supports you but deny the science when it clearly refutes your ideas.

His graph was interesting that showed that not only is the universe accelerating in its expansion, but the acceleration is expanding too.

How exactly does an acceleration expand? Stop pretending to understand the concepts. We all know that you don't.

It expanded fast, then the expansion slowed down, and then it speeded up again!

You are so amazed by the basic knowledge known by cosmologists for almost two decades?

It seems to me like something is being created; what is that "blue cloud??" I won't speculate, like other new agers do.....

Of course you will speculate. You just did. "It seems to me . . . "

What a maroon!