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Post#1176 at 03-18-2013 12:10 AM by Vandal-72 [at Idaho joined Jul 2012 #posts 1,101]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
My approach to the "double slit experiment" and what it says, is to compare it to the yin/yang dichotomy, which expresses itself in many ways since it is a fundamental principle of the universe.
Which sub field of physics studies the yin/yang dichotomy again? What units are yin and yang measured in again?

In this case, the principle in inflected this way: the probability waves represent the side of the mind that is indefinite, fluid, unfocused, non-sequential, non-dominant and subconscious; what is referred to as "right-brained" (I know some materialists like vandal dismiss this brain analogy, but it exists as a concept at least, which defines the contrast I am discussing). The collapse of the wave function into an observed "particle" represents the side of the mind that is definite, well-defined, static, focused, sequential, dominant and consciously rational, or what is called "left-brained."
Congratulations. You manged to create an analogy between two things that each have two parts. How profound. [/sarcasm]

I would not define the probability state as unconscious or determined and the observed or actual state as conscious or free. The probability state is, in my estimation, known in our consciousness in a non-dominant way, but not yet defined through procedures of science or reasoning, which is what the observer is doing in the double-slit experiment. But we should be careful not to apply that experiment as the basis for our entire worldview.
Pure, New Age babble. What is "known in a non-dominant way" supposed to mean? Can you give a concrete example?

The yin yang principle is also reflected in such things as computers (all of which run on the principle of "on or off," programmed as 1s and 0s), male and female sexes, male plugs and female plugs for electric currents and outlets, assertive and passive/receptive actions, proton and electron and magnetic charges, black and white, actual vs. potential, and so on.
This is supposed to be analysis? A listing of things that are dichotomous? Why not relate it to coins, heads and tails, handedness, left and right, illumination, light and dark . . . This is pathetic.

1- There are far more sexes than simply male and female.
2- Protons and electrons don't have "magnetic charges".

Stop pretending to have knowledge about scientific topics. You aren't fooling anyone besides yourself.

The Philosophers Wheel explores this dichotomy as the first of the two basic dichotomies that define our philosophy, and gives more info on what I mean here. The other dichotomy, often confused with it in one way or the other, is the spiritualist vs. materialist axis, which is exemplified by me vs. vandal. These two axes form the basis for the philosophers wheel diagram or symbol in my essay. The spiritualist vs. materialist axis is represented as up and down, and the yin vs. yang axis is represented as left and right. Quantum physics as I see it demonstrates the yin yang polarity in the form of potential/probability vs. actual/defined, while the involvement of the observer brings back consciousness and therefore spiritualism back into physics, from which materialism has excluded it since circa 1700.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't understand the first thing about quantum mechanics.

Spiritualism represents the creative and conscious vs. the objective or mechanically determined or caused, which is viewed as the priority in materialism.

Among our four Jungian functions, sensing and thinking lead us toward materialism and objectivism, while intuiting (archetypal awareness) and feeling (empathy and sensitivity to the subconscious) lead us toward spiritualism and consciousness. Thinking and INtuition are left brained or yang, while Sensing and Feeling are right-brained or yin, in my estimation. Each function occupies a quadrant on the wheel symbol.

Perhaps more knowledge may lead me to change this view of mine.
You have repeatedly demonstrated that you aren't interested in learning the actual science. Your definition of knowledge is simply "whatever you wish was true".







Post#1177 at 03-18-2013 12:51 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
Here are the basics of genetic study. 1. Yes, I would say that the addition of genomics will prove quite useful. At some point, folks and their doctors won't have to experiment around to find the proper medication for a particular condition. In other cases, some simple lifestyle modification may do the trick as well.2. Purpose of thread: "Culture and values" : Subjective and subject to the POV of whoever decides to post here. "Philosophy,religion,science, and turnings" Open ended in that one can an attitude that secular progress is a penultimate goal to be achieved. I'd say the upcoming 1T is where genomics/"personalized medicine" will go mainstream.3. While you started this thread , you don't own it. See item 2.Well, that's a start.
Well, it appeared that your posts were in some way related to what came before. They are not, and that's rather confusing. Personalized genetic-assisted medicine is not news to me, and I am bored with medical issues myself. But I don't own the thread, and have no pecuniary interest in it as I am alleged to have in some other thread.
First checkpoint is at 35 minutes. I'd interprete that as saying the first 35 minutes are mostly noise, but not much signal.
Quite the opposite, of course. First 35 minutes is the interview. Lots of signal. Noise? You know where I think that is. You'll probably post some here pretty soon. You don't miss a chance.
IOW, am I to assume you'll be using your ignore feature for its intended purpose?
Making assumptions about Eric the Green can be a source of confusion for you, I think
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Post#1178 at 03-18-2013 01:50 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Well, it appeared that your posts were in some way related to what came before. They are not, and that's rather confusing. Personalized genetic-assisted medicine is not news to me, and I am bored with medical issues myself. But I don't own the thread, and have no pecuniary interest in it as I am alleged to have in some other thread.
1. Boredom / disinterest is based on personal preferences.
a. The shrine thread is boring to me. Since Vbulletin has no "thread ignore", I had to roll my own. Now if say 58'flat posts on the shrine thread, I can just click on his name and see posts he wrote, regardless of thread and look at just his posts.
b. Genomics is boring to you.
2. You are of course free to post stuff boring to Rags, because Rags can just privoxy it away such that it doesn't waste my brain's bandwidth or take up eyeball room on my computer. (I use the same principle with ads. Since teh interests have ad pollution, I've made said pollution just go poof!

Quite the opposite, of course. First 35 minutes is the interview. Lots of signal. Noise? You know where I think that is. You'll probably post some here pretty soon. You don't miss a chance.
Yeah, I don't want to disappoint, cues up "Love Removal Machine" <---- The Cult

^---^ <--- heavy metal devil horns! Yeah baby, rock on.

Making assumptions about Eric the Green can be a source of confusion for you, I think
Not always, you are totally predictable in so many ways:
1. You will post New Agey stuff with dubious links to scientific theories. (Rags does realize that there exists such paranormal things, but linking it to science? No. When I have been able to nail some future event, I claim that I have no idea as to why it happens.)
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There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

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Post#1179 at 03-18-2013 10:49 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
Not always, you are totally predictable in so many ways:
1. You will post New Agey stuff with dubious links to scientific theories. (Rags does realize that there exists such paranormal things, but linking it to science? No. When I have been able to nail some future event, I claim that I have no idea as to why it happens.)
Nevertheless, many scientists now are helping to develop the new paradigm that consciousness must be part of any explanation of reality, and is in fact what there is. Yes, you can predict I am interested in that, and will probably post more about it
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Post#1180 at 03-21-2013 02:33 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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David Joseph Bohm FRS (20 December 1917 – 27 October 1992) was an American theoretical physicist who contributed innovative and unorthodox ideas to quantum theory, philosophy of mind, and neuropsychology. He is widely considered to be one of the most significant theoretical physicists of the 20th century.

In physics, Bohm advanced the view that the old Cartesian model of reality was limited, in the light of developments in quantum physics. He developed in detail a mathematical and physical theory of implicate and explicate order to complement it.

Bohm warned of the dangers of rampant reason and technology, advocating instead the need for genuine supportive dialogue which he claimed could broaden and unify conflicting and troublesome divisions in the social world. In this his epistemology mirrored his ontological viewpoint.

He believed that the working of the brain, at the cellular level, obeyed the mathematics of some quantum effects. Therefore he postulated that thought was distributed and non-localised in the way that quantum entities do not readily fit into our conventional model of space and time.
(above from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm )


I like how his description in part 3 of explicate and implicate, unfolded and folded, gells with my idea above that the potential/probable condition is yin and the actual is yang. "the probability waves represent the side of the mind that is indefinite, fluid, unfocused, non-sequential, non-dominant and subconscious; what is referred to as "right-brained." The collapse of the wave function into an observed "particle" represents the side of the mind that is definite, well-defined, static, focused, sequential, dominant and consciously rational, or what is called "left-brained." "

He agrees with me that thought if taken as reality, it is to mistake the shadow for the original. To understand physics without understanding thought, is misleading.

Interview:

Part 1 http://youtu.be/oGyDVF8GrLk

Part 2 http://youtu.be/AUHbprNr7GM

Part 3 http://youtu.be/8qrwmzx29LU

Part 4 http://youtu.be/bLTLy2B5wtI

Part 5 http://youtu.be/H-CUck_37F0 (here Bohm is speaking as one of the visionaries of the consciousness revolution)
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Post#1181 at 03-31-2013 04:01 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Peter Russell (b. May 7, 1946, I had to figure it out!) on the primacy of consciousness, and how physics demonstrates it.



He takes you from matter to God.
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Post#1182 at 04-01-2013 11:14 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
http://youtu.be/KLRhhheOdGY



This is a long one below; I haven't listened to it all yet:

Dr. Goswami, I think I met him long ago.

http://youtu.be/Ycn-I1-aDwo

So far we certainly think alike in a lot of ways.

http://www.amitgoswami.org/

http://www.amitgoswami.org/quantum-a...-civilization/
The Stupid, IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!

it depresses me that any intelligent person can take this ignorant bullsh*t seriously.
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Post#1183 at 04-01-2013 11:17 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by Vandal-72 View Post
It's proof positive that anything Eric posts is most likely coming from a realm of wishes and fantasy. Why would I be in favor of hiding the truth?
I think Eric is a perfect example of Schizotypy.
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Post#1184 at 04-02-2013 11:04 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The Stupid, IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!

it depresses me that any intelligent person can take this ignorant bullsh*t seriously.
The same has been said of quantum mechanics. Erid is pusung his vision at no one's expense, and is a good human being while doing it. That's an acceptably high standard in my book.
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Post#1185 at 04-02-2013 01:52 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The Stupid, IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!

it depresses me that any intelligent person can take this ignorant bullsh*t seriously.
My apologies again. That video is not first rate stuff. But the Goswami and Russell stuff is better.
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Post#1186 at 04-08-2013 04:09 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Time to make Odin and vandal call me a crank and suffer depression and paroxyms of denunciation of Eric the Green. Here is a great lecture by Nassim Haramein:



The above is an hour-and-a-half lecture given in Austrailia. I interviewed him on my radio show on May 4, 2001, on the topic "hyperdimensional physics and the geometry of space" He was born in Geneva Switzerland in 1962, and was a skier.

His theories give conventional physicists fits. But his recent paper won a prestigious award for "best paper" at the conference he spoke at, which his critics denounce as given only by a bunch of computer nerds, when in fact it was a conference of well-regarded physicists. His critics just fume and lie about him, such as saying he doesn't know math, or that his award was just an award for speaking at the conference.

His theory makes a lot of good points, even if it raises questions. But our current cosmology certainly raises a lot of questions too.

First he notices the obvious and well-known fact that an atom is 99.9999999% space, and asks why do we focus on the 0.0000001% of the universe instead of on space? He mentions that space is what connects all things. Then he uses data from quantum physics, saying that an atom is full of energy, so much in fact that it is infinitely dense, like a black hole. Notice he does not say that a cubic cm of space IS a black hole, but that it is dense like one. He "normalizes" this energy by using the calculations that have been made about how many Planck lengths could fit inside this cube of energy, and shows that this is more dense than all the known mass of the universe (and by the way correctly mentions that mass is never defined). He shows that this density is equal to that of a proton, so that every proton contains the density of the universe within it. And the motion of protons due to the force of this gravity is equal to the speed of light in his equations. But you should let him explain it, and remember that he is talking about space or "hyperspace" more than about so-called "matter," since space is 99.99999999% of the universe.

This "proves" mathematically how the universe is one as the mystics teach, or "quantumly-entangled," and furthermore how the small interacts with the large (or the bounded with the infinite, the vaccuum with a singularity such as a living individual, or that we are creating reality, but reality is also creating us, etc.) in a "fractal" or holographic way, as holistic philosophers such as Wilber maintain.

He says further that physics has just assumed ("physics as you go") that there is a strong force, because something has to be postulated to account for what holds protons of the same charge together. They can measure how much this strong force is, but it is still just a postulate. Haramein says it can just as easily or better be called the gravity produced by such density as he shows to exist in the protons. This makes possible the unified field theory Einstein and others have sought, because the strong force is really gravity, and thus does not need to be reconciled with it. Another great point he makes is that the expansion of the universe, according to Newton's principle of for every action there's a reaction, must be accompanied by a contraction. He asked "who is the guy who is blowing up the balloon" which is usually used to illustrate the expanding universe. He postulates that the universe is more like an ongoing "big bang" in which a contraction is also going on (apparently invisible, but maybe happening in black holes? -- my speculation FWIW), symbolically giving the universe the "sacred-geometrical" form of a torus or double spiral, like a bi-polar tetrahedron (a model now called the flower of life, found on ancient carvings, and also similar to chakras), with energy expanding out at the horizon and returning at the poles.

His ideas are stimulating, but not in accord with the current paradigms, and seem to be only mathematical rather than experimentally proven; although based on some already-verified data. He is also ridiculed because be believes in ancient aliens who helped build the pyramids. But just like many people here falsely criticize Justin Bieber not for his music, but because of how old he is or who is fans are, his physics is not validly criticized by virtue of what else he believes in or talks about that is not part of his physics theories.

A shorter interview on you tube, showing in the visuals some of the fun symbols that connect with the structure of the universe:
http://youtu.be/H_QQjN4u1F0
http://youtu.be/TJB_bczWDbc
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Post#1187 at 04-17-2013 02:55 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Here's a new PBS series that brings mysticism out in the open and opens a dialogue with science:

http://www.cemproductions.org/globalspirit/

Truly a window, it appears, on the future, and the ongoing awakening/renaissance of our time that transcends turnings; part of the new green revolution and the renaissance phase in civilization. And due to expand not only in this 4T to some extent, but even more again in the next 2T.
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Post#1188 at 05-11-2013 11:47 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Dr. Richard Tarnas, professor of philosophy and author of The Passion of the Western Mind and Cosmos and Psyche, is an astrologer who builds bridges with progressive and philosophical academia. In the climax of this lecture, he shows how archetypal astrology, although despised, can be a "saving grace" to us today, bringing the rebirth of the "lunar" matrix of the night in the midst of our modern "solar" culture to create a new world-healing synthesis or "sacred marriage." To hear just the short climax, click here:

http://youtu.be/SwogqCDtGTo?t=1h10m

In the whole lecture he talks to astrologers about their craft, its limits, and its contemporary renaissance.

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Post#1189 at 07-01-2013 03:24 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Matter, as such, does not exist, except as energy in a condensation state. Whether it be elementary "particles" or bosons or strings or whatever, matter or "mass" is just a form of energy, which is released totally as energy according to Einstein's formula E = mc2. Energy is usually conceived as having an external cause to itself, and moving or causing other energy in turn. There is no first cause for it. Energy moving itself from within is what we call soul, or the life force. Physics recognizes it in its rudimentary form as indeterminism. Through the course of evolution, which is increasing complexity and consciousness of organisms, this indeterminism becomes freedom and self-determinism, or soul (self-originating activity). The more evolved life becomes, the more its activity is caused from within, rather than from without as forms of energy.

Some materialist science fans may say that this life force cannot be measured or proven to exist empirically. Some researchers are now saying it can be, although I haven't found their work fully-expressed on-line as yet. But remember, the ideas of "matter" and "energy" are no more empirically-verifiable than "soul" "life" or "spirit." They are just convenient categories or archetypes we use to describe our experience. Matter (generally experienced through the senses, and conceived as such by our rational mind) resists the application of force, and force or energy impacts other energy. Life causes activity, and directs energy. These are all aspects of our own experience, as we describe them.

Matter or "mass" and energy can be described in formulas, but these formulas only apply to our experiences in the dead, macro world, not at the quantum level, where indeterminism comes into play. They also do not fully describe organic, psychological or mental states, and still less spiritual experiences. Experiences of mass can be localized and separated by our rational minds into mutually-exclusive and mutually-external territories or particles; but energy, mind and life are non-local and interpenetrating, and quantum states are also non-local/interpenetrating. They therefore cannot be fully confined to the brain or other localities. Holistic and holographic methods are used to describe these, rather than the formulas of Newtonian physics.
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Ok. I've got some time to kill. I'll bite.
Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Matter, as such, does not exist, except as energy in a condensation state.
Translation: "matter doesn't exist except that it does."

What exactly is your "as such" definition of matter?

Whether it be elementary "particles" or bosons or strings or whatever,
The use of the word "or" is an instant giveaway that you are faking your knowledge. Bosons are elementary particles.

matter or "mass" is just a form of energy,
Matter and mass are not the same thing. Stop trying to fake your way through this.

which is released totally as energy according to Einstein's formula E = mc2. Energy is usually conceived as having an external cause to itself,
No it isn't. The only people who think that others think of energy that way are clueless morons like you.

and moving or causing other energy in turn. There is no first cause for it. Energy moving itself from within is what we call soul, or the life force.
Pure, new age gobbledygook. Give me a concrete, measurable example of energy "moving itself".

Physics recognizes it in its rudimentary form as indeterminism. Through the course of evolution, which is increasing complexity and consciousness of organisms,
No, it isn't. There is no inherent direction to the evolution of life beyond the constraints of history. Each individual species is perfectly able to become more or less "complex" over evolutionary time.

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this indeterminism becomes freedom and self-determinism, or soul (self-originating activity). The more evolved life becomes, the more its activity is caused from within, rather than from without as forms of energy.
There is no such thing as "more evolved".

Some materialist science fans may say that this life force cannot be measured or proven to exist empirically. Some researchers are now saying it can be, although I haven't found their work fully-expressed on-line as yet.
You mean the cranks have failed to actually provide any evidence that stands up to scrutiny? Color me shocked.

But remember, the ideas of "matter" and "energy" are no more empirically-verifiable than "soul" "life" or "spirit."
Pure hogwash. Energy is routinely empirically verified. Matter is more problematic because there are several different contextual definitions of the term. Within some contexts it is easily verified. As to life, most biologists work with a similar definition and therefore it is verified. However there is some significant discussion as to viruses and how they fit in our classification scheme.

As to the terms soul and spirit, the new agers have never bothered to actually define the terms in a way that facilitates verification. Since modern science has absolutely no need for the concepts in order to investigate nature, scientists have not tried to define them.

The key to all of this is to have an agreed upon definition that is useful for investigation. Woo-meisters avoid such definitions with every fiber of their being.

They are just convenient categories or archetypes we use to describe our experience. Matter (generally experienced through the senses,
Light is not matter and is routinely detected by our senses.

and conceived as such by our rational mind) resists the application of force,
Nope. The north end of a magnet (matter) does not resist the pull of a south end of a neighboring magnet. Your problem here is that you have absolutely no idea of what you mean by the word "force".

and force or energy impacts other energy.
See. You think the words force and energy are interchangeable.

Life causes activity, and directs energy. These are all aspects of our own experience, as we describe them.
Gobbledygook.

Matter or "mass" and energy can be described in formulas, but these formulas only apply to our experiences in the dead, macro world, not at the quantum level, where indeterminism comes into play.
All the quantum physicists of the world will be shocked to learn that they don't have any equations for mass and energy!

They also do not fully describe organic, psychological or mental states,
What is an "organic state"? As to psychology and mental states there is a great deal of science on them. No scientist in any field has ever claimed to have everything worked out and some topics are much more difficult to get a handle on than others.

and still less spiritual experiences.
You'd be surprised how many of your "spiritual experiences" are already well understood as simply part of the mental states category.

Experiences of mass can be localized and separated by our rational minds into mutually-exclusive and mutually-external territories or particles; but energy, mind and life are non-local and interpenetrating, and quantum states are also non-local/interpenetrating.
Straight up time cube man.

They therefore cannot be fully confined to the brain or other localities. Holistic and holographic methods are used to describe these, rather than the formulas of Newtonian physics.
What exactly is a holographic method for describing the non-local and inter penetratingness of energy? What tools are used to measure it? What units are used to describe it? Which experiments verify the methodology?

If your response is that those questions are inappropriate to the topic than how do you in fact know that the method actually does anything?
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Sorry vandal, I will not read nor respond to the tripe that you posted above. But others may
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Sorry vandal, I will not read nor respond to the tripe that you posted above. But others may
Don't really care if you do. I post it to show others just exactly how clueless you really are and as a mental exercise for myself. Trying to determine how exactly you misunderstand scientific concepts helps me determine methods for preventing my students from making the same mistakes.







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I've heard accusing them of creationism works really well, too.

Otherwise, yes, that was horrible.







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Post#1196 at 07-01-2013 07:40 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Post#1197 at 07-02-2013 11:08 AM by Brian Beecher [at Downers Grove, IL joined Sep 2001 #posts 2,937]
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As our resident astrologer, what do you see happening around the time of the Grand Trine, coming up July 17?







Post#1198 at 07-02-2013 03:16 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Brian Beecher View Post
As our resident astrologer, what do you see happening around the time of the Grand Trine, coming up July 17?
Thanks; I've written about that a lot, here and elsewhere! I predicted even in my book that some international agreements and new constitutions could emerge then out of the revolutions I also predicted for these times. These things appear to have a good chance of coming true now. The grand trine is already in effect, and we see a new reformist president in Iran, a proposed conference and US aid to rebels in Syria, the chance for a new government and constitution in Egypt, the start of negotiations with the Taliban, and USA offers of arms reduction treaties with Russia. The release of secrets and other scandals have offered us a chance to clean out some government over-reach. There is a small chance that the immigration bill could benefit from this breakthrough time.

I see the grand trine, perhaps the closest and most powerful one ever, as a chance for some get-togethers to celebrate the fact that the old world ended on Dec.21, 2012, and the new world is being born on July 17, 2013. Peoples movements and celebrations may be happening throughout this period. We see them rising up in Turkey, Brazil and Egypt now, and there may be more. The trine adds some revolutionary energy to the ongoing Uranus-Pluto square that indicates a key moment in the cycle of revolution.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Thanks; I've written about that a lot, here and elsewhere! I predicted even in my book that some international agreements and new constitutions could emerge then out of the revolutions I also predicted for these times.
So some country some where is going to have a revolution, and that revolution will result in a new constitution and perhaps new treaties. I suppose next Eric will astound us with his prediction that the sun will rise in an easterly direction the following morning.

Vagueness is a tool for charlatans.

These things appear to have a good chance of coming true now. The grand trine is already in effect,
and we see a new reformist president in Iran,
Actually given the Iranian constitution the President actually has very little power. Reform will only happen there if the mullahs agree to it. They might, but they probably won't.

a proposed conference and US aid to rebels in Syria,
I would state clearly that the US aiding the Syrian rebels (or the Syrian state for that matter) is a recipe for disaster. I would have thought that recent history would have made clear that anyone messing about in Middle Eastern Politics who isn't actually living in the Middle East is doomed to make problems worse.

the chance for a new government and constitution in Egypt,
This has nothing to do with any conjuctions or whatnot. It has everything to do with the fact that the first democratic-ish constitution Egypt has ever had lacked a impeachment/removal clause for the president. The revolution there will address that problem assuming the military doesn't just form a junta.

the start of negotiations with the Taliban,
Negotiating with the Taliban is a necessity if the US military is to ever leave Afghanistan. The fact is that as soon as the US/Nato presence leaves they will take back over. Strangely this will actually be good at making heroin expensive again--poppy growing is against Islam (according to them) apparently.

and USA offers of arms reduction treaties with Russia.
Yes because arms reduction treaties haven't been on the agenda since the 1970s. I suppose next Eric will predict the sun setting in a westerly direction tomorrow evening.

The release of secrets and other scandals have offered us a chance to clean out some government over-reach. There is a small chance that the immigration bill could benefit from this breakthrough time.
Hillarious. State secrets will only serve (assuming those secret keepers are competant) to make leaks harder to occur. State over-reach is only addressed through revolutionary means. The immigration reform bill is DOA in the House.

I see the grand trine, perhaps the closest and most powerful one ever, as a chance for some get-togethers to celebrate the fact that the old world ended on Dec.21, 2012, and the new world is being born on July 17, 2013. Peoples movements and celebrations may be happening throughout this period. We see them rising up in Turkey, Brazil and Egypt now, and there may be more. The trine adds some revolutionary energy to the ongoing Uranus-Pluto square that indicates a key moment in the cycle of revolution.
Pure nonsense as usual. The so-called Mayan Calendar nonsense is so last year. The fact is that it was never considered to be a predictive tool, it is a recording tool. Funny that this is coming from the Maya (yes they still exist--well their descendants do).

The essentials of this prediction are 1. There will be revolutions someplace. and 2. Places that are not having revolutions or political problems will start to have economic recovery or be enjoying relative prosperity (EG Brazil).

I also predict that on the equator at noon local time the sun is generally directly overhead.







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"Spirituality as a Science: Proof through Firsthand Inner Experience"

from Spirituality as a Science: Proof through Firsthand Inner Experience;
Introduction to the Theme

What do the Masters of Sant Mat mean when they call spirituality a "science"?
This is a significant question because, after all,
this organization is called "Science of Spirituality".
While physical science and mysticism both seek truth, there is a difference between their methods of study.
The physical sciences use material instruments for measurement.
But the soul is subtle, and it can only be experienced within the laboratory of the human body when we invert our attention, rise above body consciousness, and soar into the higher regions.


Science of Spirituality is an international, multi-faith organization dedicated
to Love, Unity, and Peace, under the direction of Sant Rajinder Singh Ji Maharaj
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