I was commenting on the content of your posts. Lots of exclamation points in yours, fewer in his. As for your "behavior" when you typed all of them, I really have no idea.Originally Posted by Eric the Green
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I was commenting on the content of your posts. Lots of exclamation points in yours, fewer in his. As for your "behavior" when you typed all of them, I really have no idea.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
If you can help me figure out what the "content" was here, I'll be glad to comment on it, lol!
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
As a 60-year-old Boomer I know that people decidedly younger than I am do not give a d@mn whether I listened to Janis Joplin or Jimi Hendrix. I recognize Boom culture, 1960s and 1970s, as a complete turn-off for younger people. I could have gone country, folk, jazz, or classical -- and I went classical. I was not going to latch onto Generation-X pop.
I am very ideological myself, in part because American politics and commercial life have gone very sour very fast. But this relates to the narcissistic character of right-wing Boomers who typically grew up with silver spoons in their mouths and have never known a hardship in their lives. Such people have been swift to impose hardships in the name of economic growth and some weird concept of 'Christian' morality. This reflects the narcissism of American elites.They cannot see others and if you cannot do that you cannot fix what really needs fixing in this self absorbed world. It is with the help of others we can change the world as they are a part of society. I tried to tell that to some highly ideological boomers like Eric.
Non-elites can't get away with much narcissism. The elites compel people other than themselves to show utmost humility and unqualified, uncritical compliance with what the elites think is best for America -- basically that those elites get everything that they want so that miracles can happen. A Boom waitress in a freeway-exit diner knows what is expected of her: no matter how nasty life gets, make sure to smile. Tired after working a double shift? Make sure to smile! Have a loved one in medical distress? Make sure to smile! Honest expressions of feelings on the job can result in being fired for cause, which is devastating for anyone over 55.
The American economy has been running on pure fear for a long time. The economic elites like it that way. Remember: narcissists lack empathy just as do sociopaths and psychopaths.
Boomer elites are the problem. Maybe the non-elites will be the last act of the Boom generation. Think of the smart people who have worked in jobs that they loathe, jobs too small for their spirits. Much untapped talent is available among people my age. Some of us are as badly blacklisted as GIs blacklisted Communists in the 1950s.They did not listen. I tried to gently shake them into reality by telling them it will not work if you do not have consensus of the people it will affect, that you have to be able to listen to them and collaborate. They did not like the sacrifice of their dreams which are tbh unrealistic. I do not understand these people one bit and so I think I will never be like that. We have too much of it now which needs younger people who are nothing like the boomers.
OK. So I came to recognize the emptiness of the dreadful "easy listening" music that filled the FM radio spectrum until advertisers learned that people weren't listening to that insipid schlock. Basically it took a Broadway show tune or movie theme, a soft-rock or pop tune, or the theme music of a TV show, gave it a quirky orchestration, and played it on something resembling a symphony orchestra (but no violas so that it might have an aetherial sound). It was incredibly empty, being designed to manipulate people into a happy mood. Contrast classical music which has more structure. There's far more going on in a Mozart piano concerto, the sort of music to which I gravitated.Btw I love bubblegum lol. Well some bubblegum is devoid of meaning but it is fun and some do if you listen to the words. I woke up to music when I heard that stuff start up in 1995/6 when I was a preteen.
The less said about it the better.Not sure of punk rock. I could not name one punk rock group tbh.
Most people have their cultural tastes set when they are about 25-30. But time is environment, is it not?I could name a few heavy metal gen x groups though and they talk about some very important issues society deals with today and the outrage of it. Interesting to hear about the differences between x and boom and how they percieved the others culture especially as i am neither.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
To your first point....did i say ALL boomers? No i am reacting to what i see as a common theme with many boomers who have that nasty quality about them. As they are the ones in power it is something that is affecting our lives in society.
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I see narcissism on both sides online talking to boomers. One i spoke to was a commie who could not see beyond his ideal. I could have been talking to anyone who is extreme in terms of not being able to see beyond his ideal. No one else he was talking to was impressed so i tried to tell him you need support of the people and you are not getting it here. Real idealism...many do not seem to know what that is.
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It's the narcissism that has made Boomer leadership in government and politics so questionable. Of course, narcissistic personalities are commonplace in politics. Business? That is big trouble.
Are extremists particularly likely to be narcissists? Maybe.
GI adults often did everything possible to ensure that their children would experience none of the pointless hardships that GIs knew in (by comparison to subsequent generations) hardscrabble lives. The problem is that their pampered children never got to learn humility unless something went terribly wrong in their lives. If something ever went wrong in a Boomer's life, then there went practically any chance for a leadership role in life. Having experienced any hardship was a sign of failure.
Elite Boomers have done great harm through their crass mistreatment of the rest of humanity. I am not so well aware of fascists and commies.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
In this case, the content is the utter uselessness of speaking with kinser. No, not much content there. But you could comment on my posts that do have content (which is most of them), instead of knocking the fact that I know about kinser, and Tim didn't seem to.
And I don't see much content in this post of yours. Like, zero..........
Sorry took a bit to get back to you. I just had to go rescue an orphaned baby hedgehog and after vets said it is ok i am now looking after it till it is old enough (a months time). Made bed and play area for it food warmth water etc. Wish the cats would get away from the box. Glad it is safe. Yes i totally agree with you. Btw my mother is a boomer and all she wants to do is get by every week so trust me i know it is not all boomers. I apologize if you got that impression. I just meant the nasty side i see in those who are in power and it quite often is that generation.
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You guys are trying to claim we're the bubblegum pop generation? Who was it but young Boomers who sent songs like "Johnny Angel" and "It's My Party and I'll Cry if I Want To" to the top of the charts? And that song about the biker boyfriend who gets killed in a wreck: "I'll never forget you, Leader of the Pack." Many of you guys loved that dumb shit, don't lie.
Unless by "bubblegum" you mean actual chewing gum, which I understand you Boomers also had an affinity for. So much so that Roald Dahl satirized it in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with the bratty bubblegum chewing character Violet Beauregard.
This paragraph just proves how much you Boomers still don't understand Generation X--willfully so. Once again, I must point out that while you guys may not think much of us, older generations didn't think much of you either.
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Yet you replied. It's ok for you to reply to content-free posts, but not me?
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
The addict I mentioned before, the one who likes to tell others that he's always right, is Gen X. Narcissism comes in all generational flavors.
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
Oh, his stuff is still popular among potheads and psychedelic-enthusiasts. As a Buddhist I find it hilarious that so many people who claim to be "Buddhist" and regurgitate Watts don't know that one of the 5 moral precepts of Buddhism is to not drink alcohol or take mind-altering substances, they are considered sources of delusion, not enlightenment.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
Campbell's stuff, unlike Watts', is still worth reading. George Lucas was strongly influenced by Campbell's works on hero legends and myths when he made Star Wars.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
I just want to add That I don't think Alan Watts was stupid or a bad person, but he was from a time when Eastern religion were not well-understood in the West and helped introduce religious concepts outside of the Abrahamic traditions , but he was too eager to force-fit them into a syncretic Perennialism that makes no sense, especially given that Hinduism and Buddhism are in many ways at odds, theologically. Also, what is popularized as "Hinduism" here in the West is actually just one particular Hindu sect, Neo-Vendata, which is a modern sect whose theology was strongly influenced by Western philosophy and theology.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.
-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism
I guess we'll have to make that a rule. Only Eric can reply to content free posts.
People with poor taste inhabit all generations. Johnny Angel was a huge hit; not too bad as a song actually, and I liked Lesley Gore too. I liked the girl groups. But Leader of the Pack was bad. There were other bad ones too I fondly remember like that one: Last Kiss, Teen Angel... The later bubblegum of the early 70s was far worse: Donny Osmond, The Archies (not the worst either), Edison Lighthouse; a whole raft of forgettable stuff.
That's only because you do not understand us eitherThis paragraph just proves how much you Boomers still don't understand Generation X--willfully so. Once again, I must point out that while you guys may not think much of us, older generations didn't think much of you either.(willfully so?)
But I don't think bubblegum was characteristic of Gen X. More like hot coffee thrown in the face, or something like that. There was the bubblegum of the 90s, that millies such as taramarie liked; the boy bands and naughty girls and such. But there's always some bad pop around, in every generation.
Pop is mostly bad, ever since the psychedelic and folk era ended. Even in the best era, there was plenty of bad pop, including the first actual "bubblegum" music. But there's always a few good tunes to be found. I think there's someone around today (and a few others too) who beats all the rest, since the good era ended, that is...... so bubblegum and other bad pop is not necessarily a generational thing. There was the relatively good era of Tin Pan Alley and Broadway, now called the songbook, and the big bands. But all that got worse in the 1950s. And since the early 70s, most pop has been bad.
I was more into the folk-infused music -- more lyrical, more poetic, and more intelligent. Pop music went away from that, and as Disco (generally very stupid music) became the norm in pop I found a very different direction. Maybe had I been black I might have preferred rhythm-and-blues; such was an ethnic divide (Aretha Franklin vs. Carly Simon) at college. But the older I get the more I respect rhythm-and-blues and the more contempt I have for Disco. It may be more basic in its expression, but it says things that need be said. Disco?
Some things do not merit nostalgia.
That's what adults (GI, Silent, and Boom alike) called the pap made for Generation X kids not yet near adulthood in the 1970s.Unless by "bubblegum" you mean actual chewing gum, which I understand you Boomers also had an affinity for. So much so that Roald Dahl satirized it in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with the bratty bubblegum chewing character Violet Beauregard.
Do we Boomers fully understand ourselves?This paragraph just proves how much you Boomers still don't understand Generation X--willfully so. Once again, I must point out that while you guys may not think much of us, older generations didn't think much of you either.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
It makes sense to see the underlying unity, and I find great similarities. The deeper and more esoteric and mystical you go in any religion, the more alike it is to the others. I don't think there was any "force-fitting" by Watts. From my very extensive knowledge of his work, I just don't know what that would mean. He was just a philosopher with the ability to communicate well what the Eastern religions say to us at their deepest levels, and make them accessible. It's the universal aspects of religion that are valuable to us.
That would be Vedanta and Neo-Vedanta. It is based on the mystical Upanishads. But Hinduism has also been popularized here by various sects, societies and gurus who have come to The West, and many who have studied it and made documentaries about Indian culture. Of course here in CA we get a lot more of this than the Mid-west does. I have little if any exposure to "neo-vedanta" here, but have a lot of exposure to Vedanta, including from Watts but also many others.Also, what is popularized as "Hinduism" here in the West is actually just one particular Hindu sect, Neo-Vendata, which is a modern sect whose theology was strongly influenced by Western philosophy and theology.
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And whomever came up with that concept is absolutely correct. I cannot speak for the Buddhist experience, but I find that if I drink frequently or imbibe the grass too frequently it makes it more difficult for me to empty myself later. The latter I only use for medicinal purposes as needed though--usually when my arthritis is extremely bad.
Unfortunately Eric that rule would mean you could only post in the Shrine or in response to yourself. Most other people at least produce content--some on purpose even.
According to Teh Wiki, bubblegum pop originated in 1967, well before Gen X reached teenhood.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubblegum_pop
Nobody ever got to a single truth without talking nonsense fourteen times first.
- Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
Anyone can take just about any religion, find what he wants to find in it, and use it for his own purposes. Heck, L. Ron Hubbard founded his own "Church of $cientology" for fun and profit (from selling devices that in their current incarnation resemble EZ-Bake ovens).
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Taste is like time, it's relative.
Yes, Donny Osmond reeked of syrup. However you didn't mention the lowest point.... ever, that being Disco.Johnny Angel was a huge hit; not too bad as a song actually, and I liked Lesley Gore too. I liked the girl groups. But Leader of the Pack was bad. There were other bad ones too I fondly remember like that one: Last Kiss, Teen Angel... The later bubblegum of the early 70s was far worse: Donny Osmond, The Archies (not the worst either), Edison Lighthouse; a whole raft of forgettable stuff.
...That's only because you do not understand us either
Boom to X - shape up
X to Boom - shut up
No, it's more like wiping your arse with poison ivy. Some people are allergic to the weed while others are unscathed by it. So Poison ivy, or Poison the band creates distress in some folks but not others. Itchy arses are really, really bad. You look funny scratching your *arse.But I don't think bubblegum was characteristic of Gen X. More like hot coffee thrown in the face, or something like that.
*arse <- http://www.thefreedictionary.com/arse "Arse" is the proper term, while "ass" really means donkey. Donkey = Equus asinus,
Hrmmm, cool dictionary.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shit
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fuck
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/damn
Yup.There was the bubblegum of the 90s, that millies such as taramarie liked; the boy bands and naughty girls and such. But there's always some bad pop around, in every generation.
Pop is always bad. I don't consider music from the likes of Iron Butterfly, Jefferson Airplane, Boston, AC/DC, Judas Priest, Poison, Ratt, Guns & Roses to be pop. They're all of the hard rock/heavy metal genres. So... to Rags, ALL pop music is bad.Pop is mostly bad, ever since the psychedelic and folk era ended.
The latest Millie good stuff is Suma , etc. Acid King is also awesome.
Uh, no. Again, all pop music = bad music to Rags, simple really. It's like usually if a song is on the Billboard top 100, there's a better probability that said song is awful.Even in the best era, there was plenty of bad pop, including the first actual "bubblegum" music. But there's always a few good tunes to be found. I think there's someone around today (and a few others too) who beats all the rest, since the good era ended, that is...... so bubblegum and other bad pop is not necessarily a generational thing. There was the relatively good era of Tin Pan Alley and Broadway, now called the songbook, and the big bands. But all that got worse in the 1950s. And since the early 70s, most pop has been bad.
http://www.latestsongsnews.com/lates...-hot-100-list/
See? 2015 is a banner year for awful songs. I'll do it by decade as such.
Here's Free Bird for you.
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1975-01-04
See? That's what pop music is all about. It , one way or another will flip you a bird.
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There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
That's pretty low, I agree. In my relative opinion though, once the 3T hit, even lower lows were hit.
Millennials to both of us: ship out...
Boom to X - shape up
X to Boom - shut up
I'd go with: there's a high probability that if a song is a pop song, it's bad. Just how high, I wouldn't care to estimate.Pop is always bad.....It's like usually if a song is on the Billboard top 100, there's a better probability that said song is awful.
