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Post#2176 at 12-30-2015 12:27 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Leader of the Pack was wretched -- trite lyrics and motoric rhythms, dated before its introduction. It seems like 1T sentiments (I got infatuated with someone Mommy and Daddy could only disapprove of, and they were right) at the end of their relevance.

No links or lyrics will be offered.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#2177 at 12-30-2015 12:31 AM by Taramarie [at Christchurch, New Zealand joined Jul 2015 #posts 2,762]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
That's pretty low, I agree. In my relative opinion though, once the 3T hit, even lower lows were hit.


Millennials to both of us: ship out

I'd go with: there's a high probability that if a song is a pop song, it's bad. Just how high, I wouldn't care to estimate.
Or more like stop with the bs. But shipping out would not be that bad of an idea....
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Post#2178 at 12-30-2015 01:12 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
Or more like stop with the bs. But shipping out would not be that bad of an idea....
I knew you might like it
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Post#2179 at 12-30-2015 01:21 AM by Taramarie [at Christchurch, New Zealand joined Jul 2015 #posts 2,762]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
I knew you might like it
hahaha thanks for the laugh. Been one hell of a day for me. Really I woudnt but sometimes the fighting and stagnation gets to me sometimes and at those times i wish a newer generation could come in and fix the issues. Make them go away. Particularly today.
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Post#2180 at 12-31-2015 12:57 AM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Nihilist was just kidding.

I was more interested in another open forum, not a secret facebook site, when I asked you. Nihilist gave me some possibilities so I am looking into them. I had never been able to find any before, even using google. We'll see if these other sites are any good. One of them is so encumbered with rules that it attracts only a few very timid souls. Another has so many topics it's hard to find one to chew on. But I'm still looking. This forum is very wide ranging, and that's the good thing about it. Most sites are about hobbies.
Only partially kidding. The reasons he wasn't initially allowed in were the same reasons that you weren't allowed in. Taramarie nailed that similarity.
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Post#2181 at 12-31-2015 03:27 AM by Kinser79 [at joined Jun 2012 #posts 2,897]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
Anyone can take just about any religion, find what he wants to find in it, and use it for his own purposes. Heck, L. Ron Hubbard founded his own "Church of $cientology" for fun and profit (from selling devices that in their current incarnation resemble EZ-Bake ovens).
You forgot the "but are less useful" part in your last sentence PBR. I can use an EZ-Bake oven to make something to eat. Granted really really small things to eat, but that is an option if I'm looking for inefficiently baked treats.







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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
Or more like stop with the bs. But shipping out would not be that bad of an idea....
The BS is all Boomer. Xers do not have time for it now, didn't have time for it back in the day, and won't have time for it tomorrow. Hence why Rags said that X to Boom usually has to be "shut up".







Post#2183 at 12-31-2015 04:34 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kinser79 View Post
You forgot the "but are less useful" part in your last sentence PBR. I can use an EZ-Bake oven to make something to eat. Granted really really small things to eat, but that is an option if I'm looking for inefficiently baked treats.
But an e-meter makes an excellent device for swindling suckers! An EZ-Bake oven might 'only' bake cupcakes, cookies, etc.
The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


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Post#2184 at 12-31-2015 06:26 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by nihilist moron View Post
Only partially kidding. The reasons he wasn't initially allowed in were the same reasons that you weren't allowed in. Taramarie nailed that similarity.
His ignore list was a lot longer than mine, I remember.
Why don't you start your own fb group? Suggested name: "Boomers 4 Bieber"
That might be a pretty small list, or at least I wouldn't know how to find such people.

I suppose I could link there to a TV show about his lickable abs without offending you. But I just don't think that is enough reason to motivate me to search for boomers 4 bieber. Nor the fact that most people here don't share my opinion of him. For sure, those who don't like him need to be desensitized to the fact that he's here and ain't goin' away.

Note to anyone who wants to respond to this post: that I didn't bring him up this time.
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Post#2185 at 12-31-2015 06:32 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
But an e-meter makes an excellent device for swindling suckers! An EZ-Bake oven might 'only' bake cupcakes, cookies, etc.
Scientology was something I dabbled in, so I know a lot about it. It has some very good techniques and ideas, including about how to "clear" yourself from reactive behavior. The e-meter is something like a lie detector mechanism. It means nothing without the psychological and spiritual processes they use in their "auditing." Unfortunately they are not only dogmatic and paranoid, but they charge an arm and a leg and then some for their services. And once you show an interest, they don't let you alone. Someone put me on their mailing list, or else got me from decades ago, and I couldn't get off it. I still get mail from them sometimes. Their positive and negative qualities were given to them mostly by the knowledge and personality of their leader, Mr. LRH, who claimed to be Gautama the Buddha reincarnate.
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Post#2186 at 12-31-2015 10:19 AM by nihilist moron [at joined Jul 2014 #posts 1,230]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
His ignore list was a lot longer than mine, I remember.
He sure liked talking about who was on his ignore list more than you do. Like anyone cared!

But I was thinking about this similarity that Taramarie noted:
"being frustrated that some people do not think this and that is common sense"
That's why I think you'd do great in a Bieber fan club group. Nobody to tell you that you're wrong, no frustrations or ignore lists. A safe space for everything Bieber!
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Post#2187 at 12-31-2015 11:36 AM by pbrower2a [at "Michigrim" joined May 2005 #posts 15,014]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Scientology was something I dabbled in, so I know a lot about it. I has some very good techniques and ideas, including about how to "clear" yourself from reactive behavior. The e-meter is something like a lie detector mechanism. It means nothing without the psychological and spiritual processes they use in their "auditing." Unfortunately they are not only dogmatic and paranoid, but they charge an arm and a leg and then some for their services. And once you show an interest, they don't let you alone. Someone put me on their mailing list, or else got me from decades ago, and I couldn't get off it. I still get mail from them sometimes. Their positive and negative qualities were given to them mostly by the knowledge and personality of their leader, Mr. LRH, who claimed to be Gautama the Buddha reincarnate.
The problems with $cientology include:

1. Proprietary lore not to be tested by outsiders, but that must be accepted at face value
2. Cult-like, authoritarian control of membership
3. Aggressive litigiousness
4. Unconstrained greed
5. Hostility to alternatives in its area of activity
6. Difficulty of exit -- the door opens only one way


I know enough to not argue with them. They can make life miserable for anyone who confronts them.

It's a good thing that you 'only' dabbled with them. Maybe there is a little wisdom in Dianetics, but that is about as far as I would go.
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The greatest evil is not now done in those sordid "dens of crime" (or) even in concentration camps and labour camps. In those we see its final result. But it is conceived and ordered... in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices, by (those) who do not need to raise their voices. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern."


― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters







Post#2188 at 12-31-2015 02:49 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
Or more like stop with the bs. But shipping out would not be that bad of an idea....
Xer's to Millies: Stop jacking with fucking Ishits!
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Scientology was something I dabbled in, so I know a lot about it. I has some very good techniques and ideas
Oh for fuck's sake...
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Post#2190 at 12-31-2015 09:00 PM by Taramarie [at Christchurch, New Zealand joined Jul 2015 #posts 2,762]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
Xer's to Millies: Stop jacking with fucking Ishits!

excuse me? Want to say that in english because "ishits" makes no damned sense at all. Btw, I do not play around with iphones, ipads etc so you should direct that to someone who actually does, thank you.
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Post#2191 at 12-31-2015 09:03 PM by Taramarie [at Christchurch, New Zealand joined Jul 2015 #posts 2,762]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Oh for fuck's sake...
I know right? When i read that he dabbled in scientology i could not believe i was reading this.
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Post#2192 at 12-31-2015 09:37 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by pbrower2a View Post
The problems with $cientology include:

1. Proprietary lore not to be tested by outsiders, but that must be accepted at face value
2. Cult-like, authoritarian control of membership
3. Aggressive litigiousness
4. Unconstrained greed
5. Hostility to alternatives in its area of activity
6. Difficulty of exit -- the door opens only one way


I know enough to not argue with them. They can make life miserable for anyone who confronts them.

It's a good thing that you 'only' dabbled with them. Maybe there is a little wisdom in Dianetics, but that is about as far as I would go.
Yes, I didn't find it compatible, and I didn't go too far. You are right about its problems. Its cultish, aggressive, paranoid behavior and approach and its greed ruins a psychological/spiritual system that works pretty well for some people, and is used and adapted by practitioners outside the cult.

Actually, I found the Scientology books had more wisdom and were more interesting; Dianetics was primitive stuff by comparison, although it was an exciting book to read.
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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
I know right? When i read that he dabbled in scientology i could not believe i was reading this.
Believe it. In the early Awakening years it had quite a following and a boom in its popularity, along with many other techniques, cults and gurus.
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Believe it. In the early Awakening years it had quite a following and a boom in its popularity, along with many other techniques, cults and gurus.

Boy they must have been gullible. I am glad i was not around back then to see that huge cult horseshit.
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gen xers you have my condolences for having to see the older folk fall for that woo woo crap
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Quote Originally Posted by Taramarie View Post
excuse me? Want to say that in english because "ishits" makes no damned sense at all. Btw, I do not play around with iphones, ipads etc so you should direct that to someone who actually does, thank you.
Oh, I do. That's a common thread of Milliedom where I live. Like @ work, that's a common habit. *Those* Millies are the ones jacking around them. Sorry, but multitaskin is hieighly ovehated. I don't speak "English". I speak US Southern dialect. So it's "y'all put them damn phones away, seence y'all are awwn tha clawck now."
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Nothing wrong with playing around on your smart phone unless it becomes pathological.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
Oh, I do. That's a common thread of Milliedom where I live. Like @ work, that's a common habit. *Those* Millies are the ones jacking around them. Sorry, but multitaskin is hieighly ovehated. I don't speak "English". I speak US Southern dialect. So it's "y'all put them damn phones away, seence y'all are awwn tha clawck now."
Yes i can clearly see you do not speak english. When you say jacking it sounds like they are stimulating themselves with their "ishits" as you call them. I can easily see some gen xers becoming like my grandpa. Not having a clue about the "I" gadgets and wanting to avoid them like the plague. Amazing some of you are already there. My grandpa has an excuse as he is 88.
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Nothing wrong with playing around on your smart phone unless it becomes pathological.
Funny enough, it is my mother who got me one. She is a boomer. I have no use for it and do not use it. However, my mother uses her smartphone obsessively.
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I will just add I am glad at my job people there do not have such a superiority complex that they feel the need to trash on younger folk for what they do. The gen xers who do this should know better as they received the same shit treatment by boomers. You would think the gen xers who do this would be better than the boomers who trash their generation. Clearly they are not.
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