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Post#51 at 03-04-2014 09:44 PM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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Quote Originally Posted by Bad Dog View Post
Rags, you know lots more about effective meds than I do. Anything to calm Jordan down? I'm waiting on the brownies, myself.
Down, boy!! Keep barking and no biscuit!!

Seriously, the brownies would be nice, but unfortunately they do follicle tests for my internship this summer.







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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
Down, boy!! Keep barking and no biscuit!!

Seriously, the brownies would be nice, but unfortunately they do follicle tests for my internship this summer.
Follicle tests. Land o' da free.







Post#53 at 03-05-2014 12:01 AM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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Quote Originally Posted by herbal tee View Post
Follicle tests. Land o' da free.
I'll admit, the collar chafes, but for right now it beats the junkyard or the pound.







Post#54 at 03-05-2014 06:20 AM by '58 Flat [at Hardhat From Central Jersey joined Jul 2001 #posts 3,300]
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Quote Originally Posted by Eric the Green View Post
Amazing retread of the Crimean War developing. Another amazing parallel with the 1850s! I'm not sure I predicted this with any specificity. If not, I'm amazed I missed it. This is just the sort of thing I should get. I mean, Jupiter returning to its exact Oct.1989 position, stationary, during another Eastern Europe revolution; and then warrior Mars stationary too! And Neptune (the generational zeitgeist planet) in the same position as during the last Crimean War! I'm sure I at least predicted an upsurge in the revolution and danger of war for this time. This is a dangerous situation. I'm not as focused now in the present; looking more at the future these days.


There was also a pair of "extreme Easters" in the 1850s - March 23, 1856 and April 24, 1859; Easter Sunday fell on those same respective dates in 2008 and 2011.

So it looks like I might have been onto something with that as well; and remember that the "testing ground" for the current standoff in Ukraine/Crimea was Georgia/South Ossetia, in 2008 - much as the Spanish Civil War is often referred to as the "testing ground" for World War II.
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But maybe if the putative Robin Hoods stopped trying to take from law-abiding citizens and give to criminals, take from men and give to women, take from believers and give to anti-believers, take from citizens and give to "undocumented" immigrants, and take from heterosexuals and give to homosexuals, they might have a lot more success in taking from the rich and giving to everyone else.

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Post#55 at 03-07-2014 12:44 AM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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There won't be a major international war this time in Ukraine, but there could be more violence. The next 3 months are critical. The days around April 22, and late May/early June, will be the most critical. Mars stationary in Libra, as I said before, has potential both for violent outbreaks (or wars if Saturn aspects), and for negotiated breakthroughs; both there and in other hotspots. So I think this situation will be resolved. I wrote to President Obama just now:

"I think the way to end the Ukraine crisis is for the Russians to withdraw any foreign troops and allow international officials into Crimea, and then for the Crimeans to have a referendum about which country they want to belong to. This referendum should be sponsored or supported by the Ukranian government. I don't think this solution is being discussed yet."

Self-determination is the principle to uphold here.
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Post#56 at 03-07-2014 11:40 AM by JordanGoodspeed [at joined Mar 2013 #posts 3,587]
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You know, as an American and a proponent of a possible if not likely crisis war against Russia and/or China as the resolution of the crisis, I guess I should be foaming at the mouth over this business. But, to be perfectly honest I just find it really weird to support overthrowing a corrupt but democratically elected leader via riots in the street, but acting like an independence referendum is a grotesque and unconstitutional violation of "democracy".

I'm not saying that Putin is a great guy, 'casue he's not, but the hypocrisy on this is just a little much for me. Whoever is in charge of imperial propaganda these days needs to step up their game.







Post#57 at 03-07-2014 02:24 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
You know, as an American and a proponent of a possible if not likely crisis war against Russia and/or China as the resolution of the crisis, I guess I should be foaming at the mouth over this business. But, to be perfectly honest I just find it really weird to support overthrowing a corrupt but democratically elected leader via riots in the street, but acting like an independence referendum is a grotesque and unconstitutional violation of "democracy".

I'm not saying that Putin is a great guy, 'casue he's not, but the hypocrisy on this is just a little much for me. Whoever is in charge of imperial propaganda these days needs to step up their game.
I alwasy consider hypocrisy as a an extensible part of governing. Only a true autocrat can be totally honest and get away with it. Everyone else wielding political power needs to act in the perceived national interest, but invoke moral justification for their actions. Since the two are typically at odds, hypocirisy is more typical than not. The only difference here is the extent to which the two are structurally similar and how closely they are tied in time and place.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







Post#58 at 03-07-2014 02:43 PM by Kepi [at Northern, VA joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,664]
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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
You know, as an American and a proponent of a possible if not likely crisis war against Russia and/or China as the resolution of the crisis, I guess I should be foaming at the mouth over this business. But, to be perfectly honest I just find it really weird to support overthrowing a corrupt but democratically elected leader via riots in the street, but acting like an independence referendum is a grotesque and unconstitutional violation of "democracy".

I'm not saying that Putin is a great guy, 'casue he's not, but the hypocrisy on this is just a little much for me. Whoever is in charge of imperial propaganda these days needs to step up their game.
It's because, frankly, it's just not our fight, and it's not the fight our government wants. Right now our government is emphatically afraid to do anything because the net sum of our problems are a foil to democracy. We're at a stage in development where the things we like are bad for us, but the things we need are difficult and ugly. Murky, murky, murky. You won't see much other than that until either one of the major parties decides to work out a new paradigm that fits the actual world we live in (ha!), or a new party comes into power with a paradigm that fits the actual world we live in, or someone over throws the government and forces that paradigm on us.

Until we step out of old ways of doing things (especially handling, collecting, and retaining information), we're going to see the same problems again and again and again.







Post#59 at 03-07-2014 03:00 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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The generations that confronted revolutionary powers (or perceived revolutionary powers)-first the Axis powers, then the Communist menace-are gone or disappearing. As Kupchan pointed out a decade ago, younger generations lack the experiences of World War II and the early years of the Cold War. Overall, there is much less inclination towards international activism. In the meantime, Americans are jaded by war, and mired in domestic problems.
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Post#60 at 03-07-2014 03:44 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
It's because, frankly, it's just not our fight, and it's not the fight our government wants. Right now our government is emphatically afraid to do anything because the net sum of our problems are a foil to democracy. We're at a stage in development where the things we like are bad for us, but the things we need are difficult and ugly. Murky, murky, murky. You won't see much other than that until either one of the major parties decides to work out a new paradigm that fits the actual world we live in (ha!), or a new party comes into power with a paradigm that fits the actual world we live in, or someone over throws the government and forces that paradigm on us.

Until we step out of old ways of doing things (especially handling, collecting, and retaining information), we're going to see the same problems again and again and again.
Our problems are a lot more fundamental than information management. We have two conflicting philosophies that are mutually exclusive. One has to win, or at least be given a chance to run the show, if we're going to move off square one. Sclerosis is not a viable governing style, and the longer we remain sclerotic, the harder the recovery will be. I don't see a path forward. Unless an event or series of events pushes us toward one philosophy or the other, we seem stuck here.

That's the crisis.
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







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Further complicated because one philosophy is associated with a cultural revolution, as a package deal.







Post#62 at 03-07-2014 08:04 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Our problems are a lot more fundamental than information management. We have two conflicting philosophies that are mutually exclusive. One has to win, or at least be given a chance to run the show, if we're going to move off square one. Sclerosis is not a viable governing style, and the longer we remain sclerotic, the harder the recovery will be. I don't see a path forward. Unless an event or series of events pushes us toward one philosophy or the other, we seem stuck here.

That's the crisis.
Yes indeed; and if the wrong side wins, that's an even worse failure.
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Post#63 at 03-07-2014 08:28 PM by Anc' Mariner [at San Dimas, California joined Feb 2014 #posts 258]
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IMO what's missing here is #1 Dialogue (democracy is a dialogue) and #2 actual Consensus (law is a social contract - one sided contracts are unenforceable).

All this talk about "sides" ... Runs a risk of venturing into illiberal partisanship. Once you stop listening to "the other side", the game is lost. Or just admit, there are irreconcilable differences and you want to part ways. That's a short term solution, but even then you will by necessity come to terms with "the other side" because they will develop strengths and aptitudes that you neglected and vice versa.

/Shrug/
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Post#64 at 03-07-2014 10:20 PM by XYMOX_4AD_84 [at joined Nov 2012 #posts 3,073]
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
The generations that confronted revolutionary powers (or perceived revolutionary powers)-first the Axis powers, then the Communist menace-are gone or disappearing. As Kupchan pointed out a decade ago, younger generations lack the experiences of World War II and the early years of the Cold War. Overall, there is much less inclination towards international activism. In the meantime, Americans are jaded by war, and mired in domestic problems.
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There is nothing like the combination of thermonuclear fire, biological munitions and chemical munitions, and the resulting deaths of millions of Americans, to wake up a type of warrior spirit that is not normally part of the Anglo Saxon culture and its diversified derivatives. Recall the scene in "Legends of the Fall" where the brother's death is avenged. Now imagine millions of young Americans being in that state of mind.







Post#65 at 03-07-2014 10:57 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Anc' Mariner View Post
IMO what's missing here is #1 Dialogue (democracy is a dialogue) and #2 actual Consensus (law is a social contract - one sided contracts are unenforceable).

All this talk about "sides" ... Runs a risk of venturing into illiberal partisanship. Once you stop listening to "the other side", the game is lost. Or just admit, there are irreconcilable differences and you want to part ways. That's a short term solution, but even then you will by necessity come to terms with "the other side" because they will develop strength that you neglected and vice versa.

/Shrug/
That assumes there is some merit on the other side. Nowadays, the Republicans have no merit; they have forfeited any claim on such. The need is to defeat them at the polls in the next few years, or else to part ways. Since they are simply out of date, after defeat they will fade away as surely as did the Confederacy and the colonies of the crown.

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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
Our problems are a lot more fundamental than information management. We have two conflicting philosophies that are mutually exclusive. One has to win, or at least be given a chance to run the show, if we're going to move off square one. Sclerosis is not a viable governing style, and the longer we remain sclerotic, the harder the recovery will be. I don't see a path forward. Unless an event or series of events pushes us toward one philosophy or the other, we seem stuck here.

That's the crisis.
Neither philosophy works. And it goes hand in hand with data processing and management. Both are based and grounded firmly in studying these problems with methods that were created in the 30's and last updated in the 70's. Both of these political parties are failures, mostly because they pretty much have the wrong idea but are only interested in information that makes them seem right.

Beyond that, they have no idea when to say no when it comes to data storage. I mean you have Hillary Clinton saying that over a million messages comes through her office in a year... That's true no matter who the Secretary of State is and that means no matter who the Secretary of State is, they're guaranteed to be ineffective, because they're receiving a new message roughly every 30 seconds 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. That's unreasonable, no matter the content.

The two competing philosophies don't really matter in the context of day to day operations, because it's not reasonable to expect anyone to have a coherent picture of what's going on when every 30 seconds you're being pulled away by another distraction, most of it I'm sure is frivolous and largely useless. And when it comes to that frivolous waste, neither side wants to change it. They want to produce as much as possible because there's no measure for not doing something and really no standard for not doing well. They pretty much are the only standard they have.

So, really, the two philosophies are only marginally different from the other, and neither has what it takes to get the job done.







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Quote Originally Posted by Kepi View Post
Neither philosophy works. And it goes hand in hand with data processing and management. Both are based and grounded firmly in studying these problems with methods that were created in the 30's and last updated in the 70's. Both of these political parties are failures, mostly because they pretty much have the wrong idea but are only interested in information that makes them seem right.

Beyond that, they have no idea when to say no when it comes to data storage. I mean you have Hillary Clinton saying that over a million messages comes through her office in a year... That's true no matter who the Secretary of State is and that means no matter who the Secretary of State is, they're guaranteed to be ineffective, because they're receiving a new message roughly every 30 seconds 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. That's unreasonable, no matter the content.

The two competing philosophies don't really matter in the context of day to day operations, because it's not reasonable to expect anyone to have a coherent picture of what's going on when every 30 seconds you're being pulled away by another distraction, most of it I'm sure is frivolous and largely useless. And when it comes to that frivolous waste, neither side wants to change it. They want to produce as much as possible because there's no measure for not doing something and really no standard for not doing well. They pretty much are the only standard they have.

So, really, the two philosophies are only marginally different from the other, and neither has what it takes to get the job done.
Quite the contrary.

First of all, the philosophies and messages are clear, and so ubiquitous that it matters not one whit how much information is thrown at us to distract us. They are simple and easy to define amid the noise.

Basically, either 1) our government is useful in helping to boost the economy and the less fortunate, or 2) using the government for social and economic improvement is robbing taxpayers to fund programs that don't work. One party, Democrats, is now also less militarist than the other, and traditional values and tribal identities are used to con people into supporting one side (Republicans) rather than the other. The global climate and environmental crisis has focused this division, because government action is clearly needed to deal with it.

The parties are only labels; they usually work because most politicians now fall into one or the other camp, although some are less reliable, and there are other parties that are more pure, or hybrids.

"Waste" depends on who is defining it. The measurements and standards are reasonably accurate, as far as performance is concerned; although the economy is changing, and more imagination is needed.

But imagination exists only one on side. The Republican side is only interested in shutting things down, and allowing the rich to decide what happens. That is all they offer, and all that they are likely to offer.

They are mistaken. It is clear historically that their laissez faire path works less well for most people than the other path. There is rampant greed and fear in some of these people. I don't want to call them evil, except in my angry moments; and I hope a war doesn't come between the two sides, and that the country can stay together.

It is our authentic self that needs to come out. All people are basically loving, if they can get in touch with their heart center, which I know is where both love and authenticity are found. They are the same thing, so that is our true nature as human beings. But we can be led astray. It is clear which side has been led astray. The hope is that people can wake up.

That may take a spiritual awakening too. That is something you (Kepi) say only happens in 2Ts and then is put aside. That is a common conception among people here too. But my boomer friends keep pointing out that a change in the world comes from a change within people. It's possible that boomers are right about this. Can a spiritual awakening happen under Neptune in Pisces, like the height of transcendentalism in the early 1850s? The precedent for this is there. Sometimes a spiritual awakening can happen even in the midst of a 4T, when institutional change is paramount; just as government reforms also happen in 2Ts.

If we can wake up, and know that we are all connected to each other, and that we have an authentic and loving core, then tribal slogans might not deceive the people so easily. We need to discover the better way of relating to the Earth and non-western peoples, and to treat each other as sacred spiritual beings.
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Post#68 at 03-08-2014 06:16 AM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by XYMOX_4AD_84 View Post
There is nothing like the combination of thermonuclear fire, biological munitions and chemical munitions, and the resulting deaths of millions of Americans, to wake up a type of warrior spirit that is not normally part of the Anglo Saxon culture and its diversified derivatives. Recall the scene in "Legends of the Fall" where the brother's death is avenged. Now imagine millions of young Americans being in that state of mind.
English "Conservatives" going back to the Anglo-Saxons have always seen England having a warrior spirit as necessary and vital part of its character. The two times in Medieval English history that non-Warrior Kings appeared, there was bloody civil war because they were seen as not "man/warrior" enough. And women on the English throne found it quite hard to rule if they couldn't get an army to back themselves up and rediscover the old Celtic Warrior Queen spirit of Boudicca.

But then again, the Anglo-identity is one formed from invasion, after invasion, after invasion, after invasion, after invasion, after invasion. If someone's not invading or they're not invading somewhere else (even if it's just Ireland or Scotland), the Anglo-identity doesn't know what to do with itself.

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Quote Originally Posted by JordanGoodspeed View Post
I'll admit, the collar chafes, but for right now it beats the junkyard or the pound.
But the pound is where all the interesting dogs go.

But you're just missing out on the cool cat society if you stick with only the collar, the junkyard, or the pound. That's limiting yourself quite a bit. There's always the crazy dog lady next door and other options beyond those three.

Cats ain't got no "catcatcher" to worry about and are welcome everywhere, because unlike dogs they know when to arrive and most importantly when to leave.

And most importantly, Cats vs Dogs on parenting skills

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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An interesting article I found regarding the Ukraine crisis; Eric, Jordan, XYMOX, chas, etc what are your opinions?

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...rs-104623.html







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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
An interesting article I found regarding the Ukraine crisis; Eric, Jordan, XYMOX, chas, etc what are your opinions?

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...rs-104623.html
I came in here all excited that you had said something people-like, instead of some weird and lengthy screed, and you link to some trite political article. Good job.

What did you want to hear?







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I've long made it my opinion that the Ukraine has been 1T entering a 2T, I still think that. When I was in junior high, some Ukranian students and teachers from the "Sister cities" program came over and made a display of Ukranian culture and lifestyle since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Looking back on that presentation it couldn't have screamed 1T or 1T culture any more than if it had wrapped itself in a neon sign post.

In graduate school I came to know a girl from Moldova (who has since moved with her parents to Russia), and she struck me as being extremely Artist archetype.

So yeah, former Soviet Union republics are quite clearly in my head entering a 2T--or perhaps they're extremely late 1T (the Civil Rights Movement was mostly a 1955 - 1964 phenomenon after all). Either way, the trouble in the Eastern bloc is just the beginning.

~Chas'88
"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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Quote Originally Posted by Chas'88 View Post
I've long made it my opinion that the Ukraine has been 1T entering a 2T, I still think that. When I was in junior high, some Ukranian students and teachers from the "Sister cities" program came over and made a display of Ukranian culture and lifestyle since the fall of the Berlin Wall. Looking back on that presentation it couldn't have screamed 1T or 1T culture any more than if it had wrapped itself in a neon sign post.

In graduate school I came to know a girl from Moldova (who has since moved with her parents to Russia), and she struck me as being extremely Artist archetype.

So yeah, former Soviet Union republics are quite clearly in my head entering a 2T--or perhaps they're extremely late 1T (the Civil Rights Movement was mostly a 1955 - 1964 phenomenon after all). Either way, the trouble in the Eastern bloc is just the beginning.

~Chas'88
I think the real question is how the society responds if this escalates. Everybody is waving flags in Russia, now, but it will be interesting to see what people do if Russian troops start occupying Ukraine or Georgia or somewhere, long-term. Will it be a Regeneracy, or will it aggravate existing social tensions between pro-Western and nationalist/patriotic elements, in Russia as well as Ukraine? You know, like Vietnam.

PS My bet is on the latter.
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Quote Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86 View Post
An interesting article I found regarding the Ukraine crisis; Eric, Jordan, XYMOX, chas, etc what are your opinions?

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...rs-104623.html
I don't have much more to say in addition to what McCain and Reid have already said about this matter. The Tea Party jumped the shark some time ago. While they may have had a point about aspects of government largesse, their apparent blind eye to geopolitical matters (or in some cases, outright vulnerability to manipulation and infiltration by the enemies of The USA) has caused them and those in Congress who represent them, to lose all credibility. They are the 21st Century version of the Know Nothingesque "America First" Republicans who delayed the USA's entry into WW2. Every 4T has these types of backward thinking idiots.







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Quote Originally Posted by Bad Dog View Post
Rags, you know lots more about effective meds than I do. Anything to calm Jordan down? I'm waiting on the brownies, myself.
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Seriously, the brownies would be nice, but unfortunately they do follicle tests for my internship this summer.
No prob. I have just the drug that'll calm you down till next Tuesday.


Quetiapine! It's not a controlled substance, so there ain't no follicle test for it.

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Quetiapine is not classified as a controlled substance; "abusive self-administration seems to be driven by quetiapine’s sedative and anxiolytic effects (to help with sleep or to 'calm down') rather than by its antipsychotic properties."[92] Reports of quetiapine abuse have emerged in medical literature. In addition to oral administration, the drug is also taken intranasally by snorting pulverized tablets (insufflation). There have been reports of intravenous abuse and intravenous co-administration with cocaine as well.[93] This is commonly referred to as a "Q-Ball".[93] A 2004 letter to the editor of the American Journal of Psychiatry provided an anecdotal estimate that up to 30% of inmates who were seen for psychiatric services in the Los Angeles County Jail were faking psychotic symptoms in an attempt to obtain quetiapine.[94] Also known as "quell", "Snoozeberries", or "Susie-Q", the drug may be more commonly abused in prisons due to its capacity to be regularly prescribed as a sedative and the unavailability in prison of more commonly abused substances. A letter to the editor that appeared in the January 2007 American Journal of Psychiatry has proposed a “need for additional studies to explore the addiction-potential of quetiapine”. The letter reports that its authors are physicians who work in the Ohio correctional system. They report that “prisoners ... have threatened legal action and even suicide when presented with discontinuation of quetiapine” and that they have “not seen similar drug-seeking behavior with other second-generation antipsychotics of comparable efficacy”. It has also been reported that when Seroquel is used with methadone, it causes the user to experience a buzz, or opioid euphoria
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MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
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