Originally Posted by James50

I am not sure where to put this one, but humor seems like as good a place as any.

That sounds pretty cool.

Originally Posted by Adina

Heads of states shouldn't be allowed to drink. Think of all the damage they could do if they were drunk and made a mistake. It seem.s they can do enough damage while sober.

Originally Posted by Poodle

Check with Churchill and FDR on that.

I don't think there's any question that Churchill would qualify as an alcoholic by any reasonable definition. He drank at lunch, dinner, and for the rest of the evening. FDR was much more moderate--just a martini or two before dinner. Truman liked a couple of drinks as well. But Hitler was just the kind of guy you would want, Adina--no drinking or smoking! (Joke).

Scientific evidence shows repeatedly that alcohol in moderation is good for you. Meanwhile, heads of government are extremely unusual people, for the most part, and have all sorts of different responses to stress. I judge them on their performance.

Originally Posted by KaiserD2

I don't think there's any question that Churchill would qualify as an alcoholic by any reasonable definition. He drank at lunch, dinner, and for the rest of the evening. FDR was much more moderate--just a martini or two before dinner. Truman liked a couple of drinks as well. But Hitler was just the kind of guy you would want, Adina--no drinking or smoking! (Joke).
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Interestingly enough, of the bunch of them, the alcoholic, Churchill, lived the longest -- he made it to age 90. Truman also made it to a ripe old age, dying at age 88. Roosevelt only made it to 65, and of course, the teetotalling nonsmoking vegetarian Hitler, only made it to 55.

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

Interestingly enough, of the bunch of them, the alcoholic, Churchill, lived the longest -- he made it to age 90. Truman also made it to a ripe old age, dying at age 88. Roosevelt only made it to 65, and of course, the teetotalling nonsmoking vegetarian Hitler, only made it to 55.

Therefore it must have been the alcohol that made them live so long, eh?

Lol. Hitler was a vegetarian? I don't know why that makes me laugh, but it does.

Originally Posted by Adina

Therefore it must have been the alcohol that made them live so long, eh?

Hard to say. Though that does correspond to the research whose results we've posted here on the benefits of alcohol-consumption to the longevity and overall health of the consumer. So it's not just a reasonable hypothesis, but actually one with some degree of evidential support.

Now then the riddles are of course...

Who is the sinner?
Who is the saint?
Please name lecher minor...
of lecher major,
please reaquaint.

Oh, and what was it about the sixties?

WooF!

When your statues have feet of clay.
They tend to topple.



T

Originally Posted by Tone70

Now then the riddles are of course...

Who is the sinner?
Who is the saint?
Please name lecher minor...
of lecher major,
please reaquaint.

Oh, and what was it about the sixties?

WooF!

When your statues have feet of clay.
They tend to topple.



T

Yeah, I don't get it. But the last picture is of John F. Kennedy and his wife that Amy has on her signature.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Hard to say. Though that does correspond to the research whose results we've posted here on the benefits of alcohol-consumption to the longevity and overall health of the consumer. So it's not just a reasonable hypothesis, but actually one with some degree of evidential support.

I don't agree. And even if it were true, I still don't like people drinking, so I would prefer it to be banned.

Originally Posted by Adina

I don't agree. And even if it were true, I still don't like people drinking, so I would prefer it to be banned.

Okay. That's fine. So what do you think of the doggie? I think his name is Woof. Which is weird 'cause that's what he says too.

Originally Posted by Adina

I don't agree. And even if it were true, I still don't like people drinking, so I would prefer it to be banned.

Disagreeing with evidence (that is, inputs from the world around you) is called 'psychosis' (perhaps more specifically, 'schizophrenia'). In polite society, it's not considered a valid basis for judgment.

I disagree with the notion that drinking is beneficial to people. I don't like it when people drink. Therefore if I wanted anything banned, it would be that.

Originally Posted by Adina

I disagree with the notion that drinking is beneficial to people. I don't like it when people drink. Therefore if I wanted anything banned, it would be that.

The new HBO series Boardwalk Empire gives an interesting look at what happened when alcohol was banned last time around (Prohibition). It ain't pretty.

That's precisely why we need to do it right the second time around. It will also provide a lot of jobs for policemen. With enough police, we can stamp out the side effects of Prohibition, by being much more ruthless in eliminating the violence.

Originally Posted by Adina

I disagree with the notion that drinking is beneficial to people.

Except that it's not a 'notion'. Is is empirically-demonstrated fact. And yet you persist in disagreeing. That's not healthy.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Except that it's not a 'notion'. Is is empirically-demonstrated fact. And yet you persist in disagreeing. That's not healthy.

It causes people to get drunk, or less alert. People make more mistakes when they are like that. Therefore it is not beneficial to people.

Originally Posted by Adina

It causes people to get drunk, or less alert. People make more mistakes when they are like that. Therefore it is not beneficial to people.

Sleep deprivation makes people less alert and creates more mistakes. Thus we should mandate everyone get a full 8 hours sleep.

No, I wouldn't go that far. I just don't like seeing people drinking or drunk. Therefore if I could do one thing, it would probably getting rid of peoples' alcohol.

Originally Posted by Adina

It causes people to get drunk, or less alert. People make more mistakes when they are like that. Therefore it is not beneficial to people.

No. Therefore it has one effect which is potentially not beneficial to people under some circumstances. Several times on this board links have been posted to studies clearly demonstrating the advantages of a drinking as versus a non-drinking lifestyle. One of them even seemed to indicate that even heavy drinking was better for a person than complete nondrinking (of course, moderate is consistently the winning strategy in all studies).

You ignore those facts, apparently because they offend your view of the world-as-you-wish-it-were. That kind of behavior is something you will -- hopefully -- grow out of. It's not a way for a healthy mature person to behave.

I am not going to start drinking, that's for sure. Drinking leads to people acting nasty, causes accidents, and all sorts of problems. Therefore nondrinking is healthier. Any health benefits from alcohol can be gotten from other foods without the debilitating side effects.

Adina, you REALLY need to keep your nose out of other people's business.

After reading this, I need a drink...

Originally Posted by Odin

Adina, you REALLY need to keep your nose out of other people's business.

Why? If I have to watch someone drink or seem drunk, that is my business.

Originally Posted by Adina

Why? If I have to watch someone drink or seem drunk, that is my business.

And why would you be watching them in the first place if you're so opposed to alcohol.

Originally Posted by Dave 89

And why would you be watching them in the first place if you're so opposed to alcohol.

People in restaurants and such. It's not like I could just buy the restaurant and force them to stop serving alcohol or something.

Originally Posted by Adina

I am not going to start drinking, that's for sure.

That's your call. No one here is trying to get you to take up drinking (even if several of us might privately think it would do you some good ).

Drinking leads to people acting nasty, causes accidents, and all sorts of problems.

All those things happen without drinking, and do not necessarily (hell, do not often) follow from drinking. They are related, but only loosely.

Therefore nondrinking is healthier. Any health benefits from alcohol can be gotten from other foods without the debilitating side effects.

Except, again, there is proof that the above is simply not true.

I forget how old I was when I realized that my opinion did not constitute proof of anything besides my own prejudices. I think I was a lot younger than you claim to be... possibly even younger than we estimate you actually are. So you're a bit behind, there. Get with it.